Best Scriabin pianists?
Andy Evans
Sofronitsky, Horowitz.. I'd like to augment my collection with some really
exceptional performances I don't yet know. For instance I find Gould very
good in sonatas 3 + 5. Feinberg is wonderful but recordings are scarce.
Neuhaus also good. I really enjoyed a recent CD I found by Gilels on Pearl
with sonatas 3 + 4 and some pieces. I found Ogdon surprisingly
disappointing. Ashkenazy I cannot listen to. I have a little Kissin and
Demidenko which are OK. Where do I go from here?
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Kalman Rubinson
> I listen to more and more Scriabin. I have the usual suspects - Richter,
> Sofronitsky, Horowitz.. I'd like to augment my collection with some really
> exceptional performances I don't yet know. For instance I find Gould very
> good in sonatas 3 + 5. Feinberg is wonderful but recordings are scarce.
> Neuhaus also good. I really enjoyed a recent CD I found by Gilels on Pearl
> with sonatas 3 + 4 and some pieces. I found Ogdon surprisingly
> disappointing. Ashkenazy I cannot listen to. I have a little Kissin and
> Demidenko which are OK. Where do I go from here?
Hamelin?
Kal
Steve Emerson
>
> I listen to more and more Scriabin. I have the usual suspects - Richter,
> Sofronitsky, Horowitz.. I'd like to augment my collection with some really
> exceptional performances I don't yet know. For instance I find Gould very
> good in sonatas 3 + 5. Feinberg is wonderful but recordings are scarce.
> Neuhaus also good. I really enjoyed a recent CD I found by Gilels on Pearl
> with sonatas 3 + 4 and some pieces. I found Ogdon surprisingly
> disappointing. Ashkenazy I cannot listen to. I have a little Kissin and
> Demidenko which are OK. Where do I go from here?
Zhukov. Sokolov's Sonata 9 is tremendous, his Sonata 3 is good. Pletnev
(Virgin) and Arthur Greene (Supraphon -- all Etudes) are worth hearing.
Then there's the matter of JB Young...
SE.
MT
pianism. Then every Scriabin recording by Richter I've heard is
excellent. And Sofronitsky is the classic.
Given the above competition, others need not really apply, not even
Horowitz.
Regards,
MrT
Allan Evans
Taro Takei
Could you tell me where I can have Feinberg playing
Scriabin sonatas? Do you have a plan to issue?
Other sauces?
Allan Evans
searching for his archival recordings and when the time is right, of
course more will be published. But you ought to hear how he plays the 4th
sonata - the first movement is a remarkable dream sequence, a visionary
unfolding. No wonder Scriabin was impressed. I once issued the Fragilite
(op.51/1) and a Mazurka. The Russians have the Fantasie with him which has
yet to appear on CD.
best wishes,
Allan
In article <oz4e6.831$k2.3...@news.tufts.edu>, Taro Takei
<ta...@world.std.com> wrote:
MT
very high opinion of this pianist. I'll try to find them, or wait for
them to appear (there's a koan there, somewhere).
Regards,
MrT
Charles Milton Ling
I am not so sure. The 3rd Sonata with its metallic glint and the
ethereal transition between the 3rd and 4th movement is, for me, one of
the most magical things Horowitz ever recorded.
Charley
--
Charles Milton Ling
Vienna, Austria
John Thomas
arb...@tiac.net (Allan Evans) wrote:
> Dante/Arlecchino once had a disc of the 2nd and 4th sonatas. I am always
> searching for his [Samuel Feinberg's] archival recordings and when the time is right, of
> course more will be published. But you ought to hear how he plays the 4th
> sonata - the first movement is a remarkable dream sequence, a visionary
> unfolding. No wonder Scriabin was impressed. I once issued the Fragilite
> (op.51/1) and a Mazurka. The Russians have the Fantasie with him which has
> yet to appear on CD.
> best wishes,
> Allan
Since hearing recently Feinberg's WTCs I have become another true
believer ;-) If you publish, we will come.
--
Regards,
John Thomas
David Standifer
I enjoy Artur Pizarro's Scriabin... just to name one pianist not yet
mentioned.
David
JRsnfld
believer ;-) If you publish, we will come.<
Welcome to the inner circle of Feinberg. :-)
After Sofronitzky and Zhukov, I can't really tolerate Hamelin. Very good
playing, of course, but not my kind of Scriabin.
Wasn't DK going to add Kushnerova to this mix? What about the little Scriabin
that Lifschitz has recorded?
I'd also welcome comments on Joseph Villa here--I haven't heard his Scriabin
(on Dante/Lys)...
--Jeff
Henk van Tuijl
"MT" <matr...@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
news:3A789D...@yahoo.com...
Really? Well, de gustibus etc.
I plan to buy Magaloff's interpretation of the Etudes. Does anyone know
them? Should I do it?
Henk
Andy Evans
the Piano Concerto, Poemes, Pieces and some preludes op 11 and 13. This is
well worth getting but probably rare. It's close to Feinberg in style,
though not quite matching his magic. My Feinberg CD is the Arlecchino one
with the Piano Concerto, sonatas 2 + 4, four mazurkas op 25, four pieces op
51. Yes, it really is that good. Horowitz to me is inspirational in the
later sonatas - his 9th live from Carbegie hall in 1953 goes beyond even
Sofronitsky. Others may find it OTT, but I think it's a valid way to play
the late work. Am I alone in liking Gould's sensitivity in sonatas 3 and 5?
Very different from Horowitz, but like Gilels he reins back the "grand
manner" and concentrates more on the pathos. Some of Gilels playing in the
sonatas is absolutely terrific, he manages to "layer" the music into tiers
which almost make parts of it sound contrapuntal. Does anybody else know his
Pearl CD?
I'll have to look out for Zhukov - any suggestions?
var...@my-deja.com
heard with him; and just saw a cheap 2CD set of Scriabin on EMI.
Will I regret purchasing it?
Jeff
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Andy Evans
sensitivity, and he can play with drama, but in this case I don't think he
does enough of either. I just don't see Scriabin as "under his skin" - he
misses the pathos, the loneliness, the melodrama, the moments of extreme
delicacy... I have the twofer and I find it disappointing, not even
"interesting" playing.
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brian...@yahoo.com
Regarding Zhukov, I have located some LPs of his Scriabin sonatas. How
is this (also vis-a-vis his recent recordings)?
Brian
Dan Koren
The recent Zhukov set was available in piles
last week at the Kensington Tower :)
dk
Dan Koren
Of course -- and John Bell Young too! :)
> What about the little Scriabin
> that Lifschitz has recorded?
Forget Lifschitz -- at least until he grows out
of his diapers.
Dan Koren
"David Standifer" <agentor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Didn't Szidon do a Scriabin cycle that's long OOP?
>
Yes, very good. It did show up very briefly on CD.
Dan Koren
"Henk van Tuijl" <h.van...@home.nl> wrote:
>
> "MT" <matr...@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
> news:3A789D...@yahoo.com...
> > Igor Zhukov is the reigning champion. Fantastic musicianship and
> > pianism. Then every Scriabin recording by Richter I've heard is
> > excellent. And Sofronitsky is the classic.
> >
> > Given the above competition, others
> > need not really apply, not even Horowitz.
>
> Really? Well, de gustibus etc.
If you like Horowitz in Scriabin
your taste is corrupt -- if not
altogether bad.
> I plan to buy Magaloff's interpretation
> of the Etudes. Does anyone know them?
Yes.
> Should I do it?
Depends on what you're looking for. If
you want to be amazed that someone 80+
years old could play them at all, do buy
them. If you want topnotch performances
you should pass.
If you want some good/decent/fantastic
performances of the Etudes you should
get Sofronitsky and Yuki Matsuzawa for
op. 12 and Arthur Greene for opp. 42
and 65. You could also try Chitose
Okashiro, she does some interesting
things but not entirely convincing.
And of course Kushnerova in op. 12.
David Wake
>
> If you want some good/decent/fantastic
> performances of the Etudes you should
> get Sofronitsky and Yuki Matsuzawa for
> op. 12 and Arthur Greene for opp. 42
> and 65.
Sounds interesting. Who is/was Arthus Greene?
David
Baldric
Yes and it's highly recommended. I thought it was still available on DG.
>
> I enjoy Artur Pizarro's Scriabin... just to name one pianist not yet
> mentioned.
>
> David
>
>
--
Cheers
Baldric
I love deadlines. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as
they go flying by.
Matthew Silverstein
When are we going to hear about the mystery-Chopin contest?
Matty
Nicolas Hodges
>For the record there is a Russian Disc CD of Neuhaus RD CD 15 004 which has
>the Piano Concerto, Poemes, Pieces and some preludes op 11 and 13. This is
>well worth getting but probably rare.
Surely it's been at Berkshire for ages, for $2? Or was that just the
Chopin disc?
>I'll have to look out for Zhukov - any suggestions?
If you mean for Zhukov, Barnaby can get his new complete recording.
--
Nic
Grant
>...Am I alone in liking Gould's sensitivity in sonatas 3 and 5?
I like Gould's No. 5. It is a very controlled performance with no real
excesses. This gives the performance great tonal clarity. I like the
Horowitz performance you mentioned too, but his is so different from
Gould's that they seen almost to be two different pieces of music. I've
got maybe 1/2 a dozen recordings of this sonata and these two are
somewhere in the top four. Richter and the infamous JBY being the other
two. I've got the Zhukov set on order and am eagerly anticipating its
arrival.
Gould's No. 3 seems kind of dull to me. I like Sokolov better.
Grant
Sol L. Siegel
>I'll have to look out for Zhukov - any suggestions?
>
Has anyone heard the Zhukov recitals on Live Classics, which
include Scriabin works?
-Sol Siegel, Philadelphia, PA
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Steve Emerson
Is, I believe. From the liner notes: First prize Wm Kapell and G.
Bachauer Int'l Piano Competitions; "a top prize" Busoni Int'l Piano
Competition. New York debut 1987 Carnegie. Has toured Japan, Korea, and
China "on numerous occasions." Faculty Univ. of Michigan School of
Music. BA Yale. Master's Juilliard. PhD SUNY Stony Brook. Studied with
Martin Canin.
These Etudes were recorded in Prague, 1995.
SE.
John Gavin
faculty at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. His Scriabin Etudes
are very good. I know of no other recordings by him.
Henk van Tuijl
"Dan Koren" <dank...@my-deja.com> schreef in bericht
news:95ch9n$ad0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <Apce6.78946$Wa6.1...@zwoll1.home.nl>,
> "Henk van Tuijl" <h.van...@home.nl> wrote:
> >
> > "MT" <matr...@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
> > news:3A789D...@yahoo.com...
> > > Igor Zhukov is the reigning champion. Fantastic musicianship and
> > > pianism. Then every Scriabin recording by Richter I've heard is
> > > excellent. And Sofronitsky is the classic.
> > >
> > > Given the above competition, others
> > > need not really apply, not even Horowitz.
> >
> > Really? Well, de gustibus etc.
>
> If you like Horowitz in Scriabin
> your taste is corrupt -- if not
> altogether bad.
Is this an attempt to prove that de gustibus etc. is false?
> > I plan to buy Magaloff's interpretation
> > of the Etudes. Does anyone know them?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Should I do it?
>
> Depends on what you're looking for. If
> you want to be amazed that someone 80+
> years old could play them at all, do buy
> them. If you want topnotch performances
> you should pass.
If the only interesting feature of the CD is Magaloff's age I'll pass.
Thanks for the information.
Henk
David Standifer
> In article <Hq8e6.323$DX2.1...@nnrp2.sbc.net>,
> "David Standifer" <agentor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Didn't Szidon do a Scriabin cycle that's long OOP?
>>
>
>
> Yes, very good. It did show up very briefly on CD.
I wonder if I know any pirates who have it... =)
ARRRR.
David
dmitry...@my-deja.com
"Andy Evans" <arts.ps...@cwcom.net> wrote:
> I listen to more and more Scriabin. I have the usual suspects -
Richter,
> Sofronitsky, Horowitz.. I'd like to augment my collection with some
really
> exceptional performances I don't yet know. For instance I find Gould
very
> good in sonatas 3 + 5. Feinberg is wonderful but recordings are
scarce.
> Neuhaus also good. I really enjoyed a recent CD I found by Gilels on
Pearl
> with sonatas 3 + 4 and some pieces. I found Ogdon surprisingly
> disappointing. Ashkenazy I cannot listen to. I have a little Kissin
and
> Demidenko which are OK. Where do I go from here?
***********************************************
Elena Kuschnerova, Scriabin Etudes op.2 and op.8, Preludes op.11, and
Poemes op.32. Ars Musici, January 2000. Available in most of Internet CD
shops.
"These are the best recorded performances I'm familiar with" - Harold
Schonberg in September/October 2000 issue of the American Record Guide.
Listen to the selected tracks from this CD from
http://mp3.com/stations/ekscriabin
Dmitry Garanin
Simon Roberts
: Dan Koren wrote:
I may be quite wrong, but I'm pretty sure I saw this as a French DG twofer
last October - you may want to check a French website.
Simon
Andy Evans
> last week at the Kensington Tower :)
Yep, and they also have other stuff. I'll pop in and listen. There's a sale
on right now, but I couldn't see anything of interest. The usual recondite
and arcane......
Thijs Bonger
be disappointed.
Thijs Bonger
E.M. heeft geschreven in bericht
<2aah7tcs8t7q4svd7...@4ax.com>...
>Kalman Rubinson <k...@is2.nyu.edu> schreef
> op Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:52:44 GMT:
>> Andy Evans <arts.ps...@cwcom.net> wrote:
>> > I listen to more and more Scriabin. I have the usual suspects -
Richter,
>> > Sofronitsky, Horowitz.. I'd like to augment my collection with some
really
>> > exceptional performances I don't yet know. For instance I find Gould
very
>> > good in sonatas 3 + 5. Feinberg is wonderful but recordings are scarce.
>> > Neuhaus also good. I really enjoyed a recent CD I found by Gilels on
Pearl
>> > with sonatas 3 + 4 and some pieces. I found Ogdon surprisingly
>> > disappointing. Ashkenazy I cannot listen to. I have a little Kissin and
>> > Demidenko which are OK. Where do I go from here?
>>
>> Hamelin?
>>
>Austbo?
>
>Eltjo Meijer
>4m4ij4r#w4b.d4
>(4 = e, replace #)
dmitry...@my-deja.com
"Thijs Bonger" <bong...@casema.net> wrote:
> For a modern recording of the preludes try E. Zarafiants on Naxos, you
won't
> be disappointed.
>
> Thijs Bonger
**************************************
Repost from another thread:
Elena Kuschnerova, Scriabin Etudes op.2 and op.8, Preludes op.11, and
Poemes op.32. Ars Musici, January 2000. Available in
most Internet CD shops.
Andy Evans
> > > pianism. >
Well, I just listened to his sonatas 4 + 5 and the Fantasie at Tower Ken,
and
I found it deeply disappointing. Systematic failure to bring out the melody
line against the left hand figures which overwhelmed the texture, giving it
a generally monotonous effect, plus a curious lack of architecture and a
perverse pointing up of - to me - largely irrelevent detail at the expense
of the main interest. The Fantasie was hardly recognisable as the same piece
played with delicacy and drama by Neuhaus. Nothing I would recommend in what
I heard. I didn't listen to the other sonatas - I'd lost interest.
I wholeheartedly support the praise for Elena Duschnerova in the etudes and
preludes - very idiomatic playing and the high point of my morning's
listening at Tower, I sat there riveted by the playing. Igor Nikonovich was
good in some rarer pieces. Anna Guaranina was OK in the preludes - nice
playing but never took off, and not in the same league as Duschnerova in the
24 preludes op 11 which are on both CDs.
I'd be listening to Nikonovich and Duschnerova right now if my bag hadn't
been brazenly stolen from off the counter while I was discussing something
with the staff - who are extremely helpful. Unbelievable. I got a credit
note right away but sadly will have to re-order the CDs I got. The Tower
staff were a model of sympathetic help. There goes my Scriabin for the
weekend.
Andy Evans
> Poemes op.32. Ars Musici, January 2000. Available in most of Internet CD
shops. > "These are the best recorded performances I'm familiar with" -
Harold > Schonberg in September/October 2000 issue of the American Record
Yes these are very fine indeed. Heard them today. A must have.
Peter Lemken
> > Sounds interesting. Who is/was Arthur Greene?
>
> Is, I believe. From the liner notes: First prize Wm Kapell and G.
> Bachauer Int'l Piano Competitions; "a top prize" Busoni Int'l Piano
> Competition. New York debut 1987 Carnegie. Has toured Japan, Korea, and
> China "on numerous occasions." Faculty Univ. of Michigan School of
> Music. BA Yale. Master's Juilliard. PhD SUNY Stony Brook. Studied with
> Martin Canin.
He's still actively teaching in Ann Arbor.
> These Etudes were recorded in Prague, 1995.
He also recorded the concerto for Supraphone, but it has not yet been
released. A couple of years ago Arthur actually participated in rmcr on
a quite regular basis.
Peter Lemken
Berlin
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Correction -- it's the Etudes op. 8,
not 12. I must have been sleeping
when I wrote the stuff below.
dk
In article <95ch9n$ad0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Andy Evans
apologies should read Kuschnerova
Anna Guaranina >
apologies should read Guarari
I'm a bit thrown at having a bag of CDs pinched from off the counter of
Tower Records in front of my nose. Villains these classical collectors.....
S. Muraki
heavy and with many pianistic shortcuts.
It´s true that some items of "Horowitz Plays Scriabin" recorded for CBS in
the sixties sounds deliberate, as Etude Op. 42 No. 3,
B U T
His two live recordings (1953 and 1965) of the Black Mass Sonata,
His 1953 live recording of Etude Op. 42 No. 5
are true examples of how to play Scriabin.
And NEVER, a "bad taste recording". (Even the first mentioned items).
My personal choice of a living Scriabin interpreter is Igor Zhukov.
I have his MELODIYA LP´s containing his Op. 42, Op. 65 etudes and the 10
piano sonatas, and many other selections.
He is one of the true masters in the Russian Repertoire.
(Also, I recommend his LP recording of Tschaikowsky Piano Concerto No. 2)
Another good choice is the piano roll recordings by Scriabin himself,
including the Etude Op. 8 No. 2, the Poem Op. 32 No.1 and a half-dozen more
items.
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Andy Evans
> Prokofiev? I found it very impressive. Nic>
The Zhukov I heard was the box of 10 sonatas with a picture of him on the
front looking pretty old, so it may be recent. I listened to 3 and 4 and
couldn't see what the fuss was about, but many people speak highly of him.
What's the disc number you refer to - is it an earlier recording? There
seems to be a lot of "decent but not special" Scriabin pianists about -
people like Ogdon, Guarari, Demidenko who sound good in other repertoire -
but damned few with the magic of Horowitz, Sofronitsky, Gilels and Feinberg,
or even as good as Gould and Neuhaus in this repertoire. I did like
Kuschnerova, however - she has a real feel for the music.
Incidentally, what about Lazar Berman in the Sonatas? Never heard speak of
him?
Nicolas Hodges
>> Have you heard the Zhukov live disc on Live Classics, with Scriabin and
>> Prokofiev? I found it very impressive. Nic>
>
>The Zhukov I heard was the box of 10 sonatas with a picture of him on the
>front looking pretty old, so it may be recent. I listened to 3 and 4 and
>couldn't see what the fuss was about, but many people speak highly of him.
>What's the disc number you refer to - is it an earlier recording?
LCL541. Prokofiev 4, Scriabin 7 and 9, Vers la flamme and other short
piece.
>Incidentally, what about Lazar Berman in the Sonatas? Never heard speak of
>him?
Can't remember what else I have, but I certainly have a good live
Fantasy from him.
--
Nic
Taro Takei
is amazing, I think the transfer is overfiltered, which makes
the four pianists' playing uncharacteristic. I admit I have
not taken much time to listen to this disc yet, though.
-- taro
LaVirtuosa <lavir...@aol.com> wrote:
> For those who want to hear Scriabin himself, along with Feinberg, Neuhaus and
> Safronitzki, there was a CD on the Harmonia Mundi label (Saisons Russe/CDM (Le
> Chant du Monde) LDC 288 032, 74 minutes; the date printed on the disc is 1992.
> (Made in France)
> ************Valerie Kraemer
Matthew B. Tepper
<20010206232742...@ng-ft1.aol.com>:
>For those who want to hear Scriabin himself, along with Feinberg,
>Neuhaus and Safronitzki, there was a CD on the Harmonia Mundi label
>(Saisons Russe/CDM (Le Chant du Monde) LDC 288 032, 74 minutes; the
>date printed on the disc is 1992.
> (Made in France)
>************Valerie Kraemer
This "Scriabin himself" is from rolls, isn't it?
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David Wake
> lavir...@aol.com (LaVirtuosa) wrote
>
> >For those who want to hear Scriabin himself, along with Feinberg,
> >Neuhaus and Safronitzki, there was a CD on the Harmonia Mundi label
> >(Saisons Russe/CDM (Le Chant du Monde) LDC 288 032, 74 minutes; the
> >date printed on the disc is 1992.
> > (Made in France)
> >************Valerie Kraemer
>
> This "Scriabin himself" is from rolls, isn't it?
The notes claim it's from cylinders he recorded in 1910. The sound
quality is consistent with that claim.
David
Jan Winter
If I'm correct in thinking what you mean, I beg to differ. The sound
quality of the Scriabin recordings is much too good for a 1910
cylinder. Sounds more like a player piano recorded somewhere in the
50s.
Moreover, the original French text of the Saison Russe cd speaks of
"rouleaux", faultly translated into cylinders and Schallplatte.
Cylinders in French are cylindres (as in: "quelques cylindres avaient
été réalisés pour Thomas Edison au cours de la première tournée
américaine de Hofmann, mais ils ont été perdus"). Rouleaux are rolls.
For further info I refer to:
http://mmd.foxtail.com/Archives/KWIC/S/scriabin.html
--
Jan Winter, Amsterdam
(j.wi...@xs4all.nl)