Haydn Op. 76 quartets
td
on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD versions of this set
of mature quartets by Haydn. Just using www.amazon.com - not its
various affiliates - this is the list I have come up with.
Lindsay Quartet – ASV
Kodaly Quartet – Naxos
Takacs Quartet – Decca
Amadeus Quartet – DG
Alban Berg Quartet – EMI
Mosaiques Quartet – Naïve
Panocha Quartet – Supraphon
Buchberger Quartet – Brilliant Classics
Prazak Quartet – Praga (nla)
Tatrai Quartet – Hungaroton
Kuijken Quartet - Denon
Tokyo Quartet – Sony(nla)
Carmina Quartet – Denon
Angeles Quartet – Philips
Aeolian Quartet – Decca
Festetics Quartet – Arcana(nla)
The Angeles and Aeolian readings are only available as part of their
complete sets, so perhaps they are not really competitive financially,
but perhaps they are from an artistic standpoint. The Kodaly reading
is available either separately or as part of the complete set. Some
are also "unavailable" although they may be findable.
Are there other versions anyone knows of on CD?
In any case I am sure that some string quartet specialists here will
have their favourites. If so, which one, and why?
I look forward to increasing the list and reading comments.
TD
Alan Cooper
news:0d5616e1-8f2e-4353...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.
com:
> A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the Op.76
> quartets on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD
> versions of this set of mature quartets by Haydn. Just using
> www.amazon.com - not its various affiliates - this is the list I
> have come up with.
>
> Lindsay Quartet � ASV
> Kodaly Quartet � Naxos
> Takacs Quartet � Decca
> Amadeus Quartet � DG
> Alban Berg Quartet � EMI
> Mosaiques Quartet � Na�ve
> Panocha Quartet � Supraphon
> Buchberger Quartet � Brilliant Classics
> Prazak Quartet � Praga (nla)
> Tatrai Quartet � Hungaroton
> Kuijken Quartet - Denon
> Tokyo Quartet � Sony(nla)
> Carmina Quartet � Denon
> Angeles Quartet � Philips
> Aeolian Quartet � Decca
> Festetics Quartet � Arcana(nla)
>
> The Angeles and Aeolian readings are only available as part of
> their complete sets, so perhaps they are not really competitive
> financially, but perhaps they are from an artistic standpoint.
> The Kodaly reading is available either separately or as part of
> the complete set. Some are also "unavailable" although they may
> be findable.
>
> Are there other versions anyone knows of on CD?
>
> In any case I am sure that some string quartet specialists here
> will have their favourites. If so, which one, and why?
>
> I look forward to increasing the list and reading comments.
>
> TD
Auryn Quartet - Tacet
Elysee Quartet - Zig Zag
Budapest Quartet - United Archives
So many fine performances, and I'm shocked to look at the above list and realize
that I have heard most of them! I prefer modern instruments, and look for the
"right" mixture of precision, vigor, and elegance in these works. Right now I
have the Prazak set on my iPod, and it has become one of my favorites. If I could
own only one set, however, it probably would be the Carmina's, which possesses the
qualities I prize in abundance and is beautifully recorded. I would hate to be
without the Tatrai set, which stands out for its energy and the distinctive sound
of the group. A new generation of quartets is likely to establish new standards
of excellence, judging by the Jerusalem SQ's recordings of ##2 and 5, the Minetti
SQ also in #5, and sensational live performances by the Atrium SQ (#4) among
others. One of my most vivid concert-going memories is of a fabulous live
performance of #1 by the Tokyo SQ in one of their early NY concerts, in the
beautiful little hall at Rockefeller University. The work appeared on their debut
LP for DG, c/w a fresh and lively performance of Brahms 51/2. Never reissued on
CD, afaik (although they re-recorded both later on with different personnel).
AC
Thijs Bonger
"td" <tomde...@mac.com> schreef in bericht
news:0d5616e1-8f2e-4353...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the Op.76 quartets
on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD versions of this set
of mature quartets by Haydn. Just using www.amazon.com - not its
various affiliates - this is the list I have come up with.
Lindsay Quartet � ASV
Kodaly Quartet � Naxos
Takacs Quartet � Decca
Amadeus Quartet � DG
Alban Berg Quartet � EMI
Mosaiques Quartet � Na�ve
Panocha Quartet � Supraphon
Buchberger Quartet � Brilliant Classics
Prazak Quartet � Praga (nla)
Tatrai Quartet � Hungaroton
Kuijken Quartet - Denon
Tokyo Quartet � Sony(nla)
Carmina Quartet � Denon
Angeles Quartet � Philips
Aeolian Quartet � Decca
Festetics Quartet � Arcana(nla)
The Angeles and Aeolian readings are only available as part of their
complete sets, so perhaps they are not really competitive financially,
but perhaps they are from an artistic standpoint. The Kodaly reading
is available either separately or as part of the complete set. Some
are also "unavailable" although they may be findable.
Are there other versions anyone knows of on CD?
In any case I am sure that some string quartet specialists here will
have their favourites. If so, which one, and why?
I look forward to increasing the list and reading comments.
TD
The Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet also recorded them in the fifties. I have
them on Westminster LPs, and I also downloaded them but I can't remember
where. I am fond of these old-fashioned renderings. Full of love and
tenderness.
Thijs Bonger
Alan Cooper
news:7of325F...@mid.individual.net:
>
> "td" <tomde...@mac.com> schreef in bericht
> news:0d5616e1-8f2e-4353...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroup
> s.com... A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the
> Op.76 quartets on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD
> versions of this set of mature quartets by Haydn. Just using
> www.amazon.com - not its various affiliates - this is the list I
> have come up with.
>
> Lindsay Quartet � ASV
> Kodaly Quartet � Naxos
> Takacs Quartet � Decca
> Amadeus Quartet � DG
> Alban Berg Quartet � EMI
> Mosaiques Quartet � Na�ve
> Panocha Quartet � Supraphon
> Buchberger Quartet � Brilliant Classics
> Prazak Quartet � Praga (nla)
> Tatrai Quartet � Hungaroton
> Kuijken Quartet - Denon
> Tokyo Quartet � Sony(nla)
> Carmina Quartet � Denon
> Angeles Quartet � Philips
> Aeolian Quartet � Decca
> Festetics Quartet � Arcana(nla)
>
> The Angeles and Aeolian readings are only available as part of
> their complete sets, so perhaps they are not really competitive
> financially, but perhaps they are from an artistic standpoint.
> The Kodaly reading is available either separately or as part of
> the complete set. Some are also "unavailable" although they may
> be findable.
>
> Are there other versions anyone knows of on CD?
>
> In any case I am sure that some string quartet specialists here
> will have their favourites. If so, which one, and why?
>
> I look forward to increasing the list and reading comments.
>
> TD
>
> The Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet also recorded them in the
> fifties. I have them on Westminster LPs, and I also downloaded
> them but I can't remember where. I am fond of these
> old-fashioned renderings. Full of love and tenderness.
I didn't mention them because I didn't think they had been on CD. It seems,
however, that ##4-6 were reissued on Preiser. Don't know about the other three.
Affectionate, yes, but too slack for my taste. If you recall where you downloaded
them, please share the link. I expect that someone (David Gable?) will mention
the Fine Arts Quartet op. 76 from the Dekany/FAQ complete Haydn SQs on Vox LP. I
don't find either the VK or FAQ sets competitive any more, although I do
understand collectors' nostalgia for them. Do I remember correctly that the
Schneider Quartet did not complete the set, issuing only ##3-6?
AC
mandryka
> of excellence, judging by the Jerusalem SQ's recordings of ##2 and 5,
Seconded.
td
I have not heard this quartet and was restricting myself to complete
and more or less available recordings. But I look forward to hearing
them in due course.
I have great fondness for the Tatrai for it's rough-hewn strength and
the Panocha for it's homogeneity of sound and sweetness.
Not familiar with most of the others, however, except the Tokyo,
Tatrai, Angeles and Aeolian versions, and perhaps the Festicics.
TD
Jeff
> "Thijs Bonger" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote innews:7of325F...@mid.individual.net:
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>
> > "td" <tomdedea...@mac.com> schreef in bericht
> >news:0d5616e1-8f2e-4353...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroup
> > s.com... A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the
> > Op.76 quartets on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD
> > versions of this set of mature quartets by Haydn. Just using
> > have come up with.
>
> > Lindsay Quartet – ASV
> > Kodaly Quartet – Naxos
> > Takacs Quartet – Decca
> > Amadeus Quartet – DG
> > Alban Berg Quartet – EMI
>
> - Show quoted text -
All six of the Schneider's Op. 76 String Quartets were issued on Haydn
Society LPs: Nos. 1 and 2 on HS 34, Nos. 3 and 4 on HS 35, and Nos. 5
and 6 on HS 36.
Jeff
Alan Cooper
news:5ba37570-5d6d-4aa3...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.
com:
> All six of the Schneider's Op. 76 String Quartets were issued on
> Haydn Society LPs: Nos. 1 and 2 on HS 34, Nos. 3 and 4 on HS 35,
> and Nos. 5 and 6 on HS 36.
Thanks for the information. As I remember, a few years ago M&A announced plans to
reissue all of the Schneider Quartet's Haydn on CD. It seems not to have happened,
unfortunately.
AC
Steve Emerson
Alan Cooper <amco...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
And as you mention elsewhere, the Fine Arts Quartet on vinyl
And the Orlando Quartet did what I think is a gorgeous recording of #4
and #5 (on Philips).
> So many fine performances, and I'm shocked to look at the above list and
> realize that I have heard most of them! I prefer modern instruments,
> and look for the "right" mixture of precision, vigor, and elegance in
> these works. Right now I have the Prazak set on my iPod, and it has
> become one of my favorites. If I could own only one set, however, it
> probably would be the Carmina's, which possesses the qualities I
> prize in abundance and is beautifully recorded. I would hate to be
> without the Tatrai set, which stands out for its energy and the
> distinctive sound of the group. A new generation of quartets is
> likely to establish new standards of excellence [Alan's elaboration deleted].
The above are pretty much my own sentiments. The Carmina's performances
are technically impeccable, wonderfully balanced among the voices, and
marked by surprising (but to my ears valid) phrasing. And there is no
shortage of guts and, as appropriate, briskness of tempo.
The Alban Berg Quartett's set is for me not as strong as their Op 77, or
for that matter, most of their work. It's a little, I don't know,
flaccid? Overly Mozart-like?
The (old) Takacs is missable here, they don't seem nimble enough.
Two that I'd like to hear sometime are the Festetics and the Auryn.
(Despite above notation, Festetics is in print, see:
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//A419.htm )
The Prazak and Tatrai get plenty of play here, although the Prazak's
Haydn is usually even more vital in concert. I also listen to the Tokyo
from time to time.
SE.
Johannes Roehl
> A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the Op.76 quartets
> on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD versions of this set
> of mature quartets by Haydn. Just using www.amazon.com - not its
> various affiliates - this is the list I have come up with.
>
> Kodaly Quartet � Naxos
> Takacs Quartet � Decca
> Amadeus Quartet � DG
> Alban Berg Quartet � EMI
> Mosaiques Quartet � Na�ve
> Panocha Quartet � Supraphon
> Buchberger Quartet � Brilliant Classics
> Prazak Quartet � Praga (nla)
> Kuijken Quartet - Denon
> Tokyo Quartet � Sony(nla)
> Carmina Quartet � Denon
> Angeles Quartet � Philips
> Aeolian Quartet � Decca
>
> The Angeles and Aeolian readings are only available as part of their
> complete sets, so perhaps they are not really competitive financially,
> but perhaps they are from an artistic standpoint. The Kodaly reading
> is available either separately or as part of the complete set. Some
> are also "unavailable" although they may be findable.
>
> Are there other versions anyone knows of on CD?
There is/was an op.76 with the Eder Quartet on Teldec (recorded in the
1980ties), but available or at least findable is only half of it,
usually the three "named quartets", 2,3,4 (I only have these 3) that
were reissued in several budget lines of Teldec/Warner. It's quite good,
but not extraordinarily so, IMO.
Johannes
Bastian Kubis
> There is/was an op.76 with the Eder Quartet on Teldec (recorded in the
> 1980ties), but available or at least findable is only half of it,
> usually the three "named quartets", 2,3,4 (I only have these 3) that
> were reissued in several budget lines of Teldec/Warner. It's quite good,
> but not extraordinarily so, IMO.
If you happen to find the rest of the Eder's op.76, do try it all the
same: 5/ii is very slow (~8min.), but sustains the long lines
wonderfully. They convey a sense of calm sadness (or however you may
call it) in a rather unique way (in my admittedly limited experience).
I thought at least that movement was indeed extraordinary.
Bastian
Johannes Roehl
I tried finding the whole thing several months ago, but settled in the
end for a cheaply used available disc with 2-4, because the rest was
either outrageously priced by some marketplace sellers or simply not
findable at all. (Right now German amazon has 4 different issues/covers
of their 2-4, but none of the rest! .co.uk and .fr is worse; on
amazon.com a seller offers apparently the whole 2-disc set used for $26)
I love #5 of course and it's not so easy to find good versions of the
elusive #6 so I am always happy to have another go at that one.
(I love them all, but I do think that the "Quinten" and the
"Kaiserquartett" are somewhat overrated compared to the others,
certainly the nameless 3 are comparably underappreciated/recorded, still
the situation is satisfactory compared to many other Haydn quartets. My
favourites are #4 and #5)
But I am only willing to spend a certain amount of effort and money as
overall I am quite happy with Mosaiques and Carmina and some separate
versions of #2 and #5 (including the wonderful Jerusalem in both and a
rather over the top live recording with the Lindsays in #5). The Angeles
Quartet, which I probably like in some pieces better than the
coinaisseurs of this newsgroup is not terribly distinguished in this
opus, IMO.
Johannes
mandryka
I played it last night and I thought the first movement was wonderful
-- tight and beautifully balanced. But the susequant movements had
less of an impact.
I will listen again tonight.
Johannes Roehl
Is that in the DG Collector's Box?
I don't remember anything offhand about that one (it's hard to ruin,
IMO, and the first movement "dominates" the whole piece in any case,
maybe because the andante is somewhat slight compared to the other great
slow movements in op.76), but the other two quartets, op.33, 2+3 are
beautifully played, but a little too slow for my taste.
Johannes
herman
United Archives). Or the Tatrai.
I'm kind of intrigued by the praise the Carmina Qt is getting - I
have never heard these people play.
Bob Harper
cheap at CDJapan or HMV Japan. In addition to the Haydn, I'd recommend
the Mendelssohn as a first sampling. They seem to me to find a balance
between beauty and 'toughness', if that means anything.
There's also a new disc, on Avi Music, three of the Mozart Haydn
Quartets (K. 421, 428, and 465). The violist wrote the booklet notes,
and makes a good deal of the group's awareness of historical performance
practice. One can hear it in the playing, though it's still immaculate.
Bob Harper
Bob Lombard
The violist wrote the booklet notes,
> and makes a good deal of the group's awareness of historical performance
> practice. One can hear it in the playing, though it's still immaculate.
>
"Still immaculate"? Hmm. Or as TD would say, hmmm. (Apparently Tom is
hum-prone.)
bl
wimpie
> A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the Op.76 quartets
> on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD versions of this set
I am pretty sure the Hagen Quartet did them too on DG
W
td
wrote:
If they are even vaguely imitating the sound of the HIPsters, then I
think I'd rather pass on the Carmina. Perhaps it would have been
better if they had been maculate!!!
TD
Bob Harper
from 1993 & '95, and are untouched by HIP in any way of which I suspect
you'd disapprove.
Bob Harper
td
Well, after the negative experience with the Astringent Quartet. from
Germany, once bitten, twice shy. I have to say that I forgot
completely about the Op. 76 from the Budapest Quartet on United
Archives. I own that on LP and also on CD. Just forgot I had it. I
must return to it soon.
I promise to give the Carmina a try, Bob, just for you. But you owe me
one if it turns out they are really wannabe HIPsters.
TD
td
> On Dec 11, 1:33 pm, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the Op.76 quartets
> > on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD versions of this set
If so, they have vanished without a single trace I can find.
They did record the Haydn Quartets by Mozart, as well as the
SonnenQuartetten, among other Haydn Quartets. But I do not find Op.
76.
TD
Johannes Roehl
> On Dec 11, 1:33 pm, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
>> A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the Op.76 quartets
>> on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD versions of this set
>> of mature quartets by Haydn. Just usingwww.amazon.com- not its
>> various affiliates - this is the list I have come up with.
>>
>> Kodaly Quartet � Naxos
>> Takacs Quartet � Decca
>> Amadeus Quartet � DG
>> Alban Berg Quartet � EMI
>> Mosaiques Quartet � Na�ve
>> Panocha Quartet � Supraphon
>> Buchberger Quartet � Brilliant Classics
>> Prazak Quartet � Praga (nla)
>> Kuijken Quartet - Denon
>> Tokyo Quartet � Sony(nla)
>> Carmina Quartet � Denon
>> Angeles Quartet � Philips
>> Aeolian Quartet � Decca
>>
>> The Angeles and Aeolian readings are only available as part of their
>> complete sets, so perhaps they are not really competitive financially,
>> but perhaps they are from an artistic standpoint. The Kodaly reading
>> is available either separately or as part of the complete set. Some
>> are also "unavailable" although they may be findable.
>>
>> Are there other versions anyone knows of on CD?
>>
>> In any case I am sure that some string quartet specialists here will
>> have their favourites. If so, which one, and why?
>>
>> I look forward to increasing the list and reading comments.
> I am pretty sure the Hagen Quartet did them too on DG
No, they did op.20 and a recital disc with Lark, Rider and one from op.1.
The Emersons have a 2-disc collection. Apart from these three sets DG
has not recorded any Haydn quartets since the Amadeus Q.
Apparently only smaller labels can make a living recording this music...
Johannes
CharlesSmith
> A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the Op.76 quartets
> on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD versions of this set
I bought the Amadeus box about 35 years ago and at the time thought
they were the bees' knees. However I then heard the Lindsays live in
series of concerts, and appreciated the greater range of expression
they brought. Nowadays the Amadeus sound dreadfully strident, but
still exciting in small doses. But I could never bring myself to get
the Lindsays because of the extraneous noises - OK live but not for
repeated listening.
A couple of years ago I decided I really did need an Op76 set, so did
as much research as I could, finding samples of most available
versions. As a result I bought the Mosaïques, and I'm very happy with
them. They play period instruments. This doesn't lead to a
distractingly HIP interpretation, but it does lead to a transparency
and expressiveness that I think is unbeatable. Others are perhaps more
earthy, and I might head that way if I ever get the desire for a
second set.
You ask for the opinion of the quartet specialists, which I'm not, but
I do know some, and they complain that the Mosaïques instruments
aren't matched - mixed Italian and French. I can't hear that - perhaps
it's enhancing that clarity that I'm admiring?
Charles
Steve Emerson
<659f10e2-cc73-4beb...@y24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Their Szymanowski is unsurpassed. The Haydn, which is taut (polar
opposite of the Pro Arte and pretty far from the Tatrai and the
Hungarians as well), is at the same time neither mirthless nor dour;
traits that are salient for me in the Hagen Op 20 and the Emerson's
miscellany.
SE.
td
> In article
> <659f10e2-cc73-4beb-986a-321add73f...@y24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Sorry, Steve. Just so I understand you correctly.
You think the Hagens and Emerson are mirthless or dour? Or you think
these traits are salient - i.e. important - for you and they are
audible in the Hagens and Emerson quartet readings.
TD
Bob Harper
> On Dec 12, 1:39 pm, wimpie <willembo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 11, 1:33 pm, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the Op.76 quartets
>>> on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD versions of this set
>>> of mature quartets by Haydn. Just usingwww.amazon.com-not its
>>> various affiliates - this is the list I have come up with.
>>> Kodaly Quartet � Naxos
>>> Takacs Quartet � Decca
>>> Amadeus Quartet � DG
>>> Alban Berg Quartet � EMI
>>> Mosaiques Quartet � Na�ve
>>> Panocha Quartet � Supraphon
>>> Buchberger Quartet � Brilliant Classics
>>> Prazak Quartet � Praga (nla)
>>> Kuijken Quartet - Denon
>>> Tokyo Quartet � Sony(nla)
>>> Carmina Quartet � Denon
>>> Angeles Quartet � Philips
>>> Aeolian Quartet � Decca
>>> The Angeles and Aeolian readings are only available as part of their
>>> complete sets, so perhaps they are not really competitive financially,
>>> but perhaps they are from an artistic standpoint. The Kodaly reading
>>> is available either separately or as part of the complete set. Some
>>> are also "unavailable" although they may be findable.
>>> Are there other versions anyone knows of on CD?
>>> In any case I am sure that some string quartet specialists here will
>>> have their favourites. If so, which one, and why?
>>> I look forward to increasing the list and reading comments.
>>> TD
>> I am pretty sure the Hagen Quartet did them too on DG
>
> If so, they have vanished without a single trace I can find.
>
> They did record the Haydn Quartets by Mozart, as well as the
> SonnenQuartetten, among other Haydn Quartets. But I do not find Op.
> 76.
>
> TD
>
The Op. 20 performances, BTW, are excellent. I'd buy an Op. 76 from
them, but it doesn't exist. I'd prefer, however, to see them finish
their Beethoven cycle.
Bob Harper
Bob Harper
Bob Harper
Johannes Roehl
> td wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 1:39 pm, wimpie <willembo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Dec 11, 1:33 pm, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure the Hagen Quartet did them too on DG
>>
>> If so, they have vanished without a single trace I can find.
>>
>> They did record the Haydn Quartets by Mozart, as well as the
>> SonnenQuartetten, among other Haydn Quartets. But I do not find Op.
>> 76.
>>
> The Op. 20 performances, BTW, are excellent. I'd buy an Op. 76 from
> them, but it doesn't exist. I'd prefer, however, to see them finish
> their Beethoven cycle.
That should have priority, but doesn't have to exclude the other option.
I wonder why progress seems so slow suddenly or what they are doing
these days. 130/133 appeared in 2002, 18,1/59,1 in 03, 132/127 in 05,
but nothing at all, except for one disc Shostakovich in 06 since then.
Apparently one of their current programs includes 18,2, so maybe there
will be another Beethoven disc next year. They are also doing quite a
bit of contemporary stuff, including first performances of new pieces.
http://www.impresariat-simmenauer.de/main.php?l=bio&lang=en&byid=10035
Johannes
Alan Cooper
news:68f6a533-8021-49dd...@k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.c
om:
I'm not Steve, but afaic mirthlessness is the salient trait of both the Hagen and
Emerson performances, and it's a salient reason for my dislike of them. The
Hagens' hell-for-leather approach can be exciting (first movement of their
Beethoven op. 95, e.g.), but it's all wrong for Haydn op. 20. And the Emersons
(no relation to Steve) are mechanical and charmless as usual. One can admire
their consistency, I suppose.
A propos of an earlier posting in this thread, a good friend kindly alerted me to
the site where the Vienna Konzerthaus recordings are available for download:
http://www.i12.ch/musiqueouverte/index.php/accueil/toutafficher
Just enter Haydn in the search box. It's an amazing site, actually, although
there are many broken links (especially the ones to rapidshare, where older
uploads are rapidly vanishing)
. Anyway, I downloaded a couple of the recordings
in order to refresh my memory of them. They weren't to my taste back in the day,
and they still aren't.
I agree that the Carmina's Szymanowski is terrific, incidentally, although there's
a lot more serious competition now than there was when it was issued (Silesian,
Goldner, and especially the new Royal on Hyperion).
AC
Steve Emerson
<68f6a533-8021-49dd...@k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
td <tomde...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 3:49�pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <659f10e2-cc73-4beb-986a-321add73f...@y24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > �herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > These days I usually grab either the Panocha or the Budapest (on
> > > United Archives). Or the Tatrai.
> >
> > > I'm kind of intrigued by the praise the Carmina Qt is getting �- �I
> > > have never heard these people play.
> >
> > Their Szymanowski is unsurpassed. The Haydn, which is taut (polar
> > opposite of the Pro Arte and pretty far from the Tatrai and the
> > Hungarians as well), is at the same time neither mirthless nor dour;
> > traits that are salient for me in the Hagen Op 20 and the Emerson's
> > miscellany.
>
> Sorry, Steve. Just so I understand you correctly.
(flattered)
> You think the Hagens and Emerson are mirthless or dour?
That's right.
> Or you think
> these traits are salient - i.e. important - for you and they are
> audible in the Hagens and Emerson quartet readings.
I prefer performances of Haydn that aren't that way. Salient in the
Hagen and Emerson as in "prominent, striking, projecting outward"
(Chambers).
SE.
td
The most recent recording dating from 2006, I have the distinct
feeling that recording for DG has ground to a halt for this ensemble.
No surprise, I would say, as the person running the label is more
familiar with the local gym than his local concert hall.
TD
CharlesSmith
>
> I agree that the Carmina's Szymanowski is terrific, incidentally, although there's
> a lot more serious competition now than there was when it was issued (Silesian,
> Goldner, and especially the new Royal on Hyperion).
>
> AC
How do you rate the Varsovia?
Charles
Philip Peters
> (I love them all, but I do think that the "Quinten" and the
> "Kaiserquartett" are somewhat overrated compared to the others,
Try the Hungarians' Quinten, a *smashing* recording.
Philip
Johannes Roehl
Is that the one someone offered downloads of recently?
What I meant to say was different: I think the "Quintenquartett" is a
great piece and not all that difficult to appreciate, even in lackluster
interpretations. And I am quite satisfied with the 5 or so recordings I
own. On the other hand with the enigmatic 76,6 I still feel I need some
"help" by the performers.
Johannes
td
wrote:
> x-no-archive:
> On Dec 12, td wrote:
>
>
>
> > The most recent recording dating from 2006, I have the distinct
> > feeling that recording for DG has ground to a halt for this ensemble.
> > No surprise, I would say, as the person running the label is more
> > familiar with the local gym than his local concert hall.
>
> > TD
>
> opening night of Chopin and His Europe festival last August. I was
> there.
And you didn't notice the gun to his head?
TD
Philip Peters
> Philip Peters schrieb:
>> Johannes Roehl schreef:
>>
>>> (I love them all, but I do think that the "Quinten" and the
>>> "Kaiserquartett" are somewhat overrated compared to the others,
>>
>> Try the Hungarians' Quinten, a *smashing* recording.
>
> Is that the one someone offered downloads of recently?
I'm not sure, I think so, yes.
PP
Alan Cooper
news:226adc64-ff7d-4064...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.
com:
I was sure that I had it, but either it's misplaced or I deaccessioned it. I retain
no impression of it, so I'll have to leave it to Oscar or others to comment. Sorry
AC
td
> The Prazak and Tatrai get plenty of play here, although the Prazak'sHaydnis usually even more vital in concert.
I am now auditioning the second CD of the Prazak, Steve, and am very
impressed with the character they impart to the music. The violist,
who would seem to run the quartet's business, by the way, is extremely
expressive. In any event the Prazak tend to make other readings of
this music rather pale by comparison.
Incidentally, the Prazak will take part in the fourth Biennale in
Paris from January 10-17 in 2010. A lot of string quartet playing, but
much of it would be very impressive, I think.
http://www.citedelamusique.fr/francais/cycle.aspx?id=328
Makes me want to go to Paris for a week.
TD
Bob Harper
http://www.citedelamusique.fr/francais/evenement.aspx?id=10097
Mr. Kluson, the violist, is, in addition to being the business manager,
a hell of a nice guy--as are all the members of the quartet. I had a
chance to meet them after a concert in Portland that took place in the
middle of an ice storm. Small crowd, but a great evening.
Bob Harper
Simon Roberts
>
>Johannes Roehl wrote:
>> There is/was an op.76 with the Eder Quartet on Teldec (recorded in the
>> 1980ties), but available or at least findable is only half of it,
>> usually the three "named quartets", 2,3,4 (I only have these 3) that
>> were reissued in several budget lines of Teldec/Warner. It's quite good,
>> but not extraordinarily so, IMO.
>
>If you happen to find the rest of the Eder's op.76, do try it all the
>same: 5/ii is very slow (~8min.), but sustains the long lines
>wonderfully. They convey a sense of calm sadness (or however you may
>call it) in a rather unique way (in my admittedly limited experience).
>I thought at least that movement was indeed extraordinary.
Much the same is true of the Collegium Aureum's recording of that movement,
though I don't think there's a CD equivalent of the LP; in my experience, few
recordings of that movement (probably my favorite in all of Op. 76) some close.
Simon
Simon Roberts
Johannes Roehl
Thanks for the lead, I do have these LPs with the CA Qt.!
(But can't play them right now...)
It's really frustrating with the Eder recordings. As I said, there are 5
or so different incarnations/covers of their 2-4, but none of the rest.
And as everybody I love that movement from #5!
I got to know the piece in the ASV live recording with the Lindsays.
Very rough in spots, extremely slow in ii and fast in iv. It was
captivating enough, I guess...
Johannes
gggg...@gmail.com
> A recent audition of the Panocha Quartet reading of the Op.76 quartets
> on Supraphon has led me to an investigation of CD versions of this set
>
> Kodaly Quartet - Naxos
> Takacs Quartet - Decca
> Amadeus Quartet - DG
> Alban Berg Quartet - EMI
> Mosaiques Quartet - Naïve
> Panocha Quartet - Supraphon
> Buchberger Quartet - Brilliant Classics
> Prazak Quartet - Praga (nla)
> Tatrai Quartet - Hungaroton
> Kuijken Quartet - Denon
> Tokyo Quartet - Sony(nla)
> Carmina Quartet - Denon
> Angeles Quartet - Philips
> Aeolian Quartet - Decca
> Festetics Quartet - Arcana(nla)
> The Angeles and Aeolian readings are only available as part of their
> complete sets, so perhaps they are not really competitive financially,
> but perhaps they are from an artistic standpoint. The Kodaly reading
> is available either separately or as part of the complete set. Some
> are also "unavailable" although they may be findable.
>
> Are there other versions anyone knows of on CD?
>
> In any case I am sure that some string quartet specialists here will
> have their favourites. If so, which one, and why?
>
> I look forward to increasing the list and reading comments.
>
> TD
http://www.musicweb-international.com/recommends/home.htm
Herman
>
>
> The following is a recent list of the best:
>
>
>
> http://www.musicweb-international.com/recommends/home.htm
fymido...@yahoo.com
Herman
Christopher Webber
> I like the Panaocha and the Budapest.
"Panaocha" is something I had for desert at my excellent table in the
Polynesian Restaurant. It's compounded of tapioca and papaya, and you
eat it with chopsticks, as I recall. To the sound of the Hawaiian
Guitar*, of course, whilst manipulating your Hula Hoop.
* Locus classicus: 'By the Blue Hawaiian Waters' (Albert W. Ket�lbey)