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Raymond Hall

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Oct 3, 2006, 8:08:05 PM10/3/06
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Am deciding as to whether to get Collard's Faure's piano works, or, as I
have read in some reviews, investigate Kathryn Stott's complete Faure
survey. One review indicates that Stott leaves Collard in the dust.

Any opinions from those who have heard Stott, or admire this pianist? On
Hyperion I think. I have often felt that Collard might be a bit dry,
brittle, technically brilliant of course, for this delicately shaded music.
Maybe Stott is the answer.

Ta.

Ray H
Taree, NSW


jrs...@aol.com

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Oct 3, 2006, 8:07:08 PM10/3/06
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I don't know Stott, but Collard's Faure has served me decently for a
long time. Yet everytime I get someone else's (Marguerite Long, Kun-Woo
Paik, etc.) I remember that no single pianist has a corner on this
music--particularly Collard!

--Jeff

alanwa...@aol.com

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Oct 3, 2006, 8:38:59 PM10/3/06
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Personal opinion: if you want lots of wash of sound and pedal that
isn't written go for Hyperion and Ms Stott.

If you want what the composer actually wrote go for Collard.

I cannot say who leaves who in the dust but I know which one of them
actually plays what the composer wrote.

Confusing, I know. A matter of intrpetation, as always.

Poor old chap is frequently over pedalled (among others).

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

gperkins151

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Oct 3, 2006, 10:27:34 PM10/3/06
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Raymond, Stott is anything but delicate. her interpretations are
over-romantic, not to mention overpriced. I investigated the two
pianists you mention about two months ago and I can say that Collard is
superb. His box set on Brilliant is so cheap that you can't afford to
pass it buy, eh? I am very happy with this set and can tell you that
many different sources led me to that decision. Stott is just too loud
and too much in this repertoire. Collard seems the most idomatic, you
can't go wrong with him. If you go into any Barnes and Noble, you can
sample tons of each set. That's how I made my eventual decision anyway.

Steve Emerson

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Oct 3, 2006, 11:20:38 PM10/3/06
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In article <FXCUg.40867$rP1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Raymond Hall" <rayt...@bigpond.com> wrote:


Hi Ray, somebody asked this exact question here about 6 weeks ago.

SE.

Richard Schultz

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Oct 4, 2006, 1:55:37 AM10/4/06
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In article <1159922338.9...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, alanwa...@aol.com <alanwa...@aol.com> wrote:

: If you want what the composer actually wrote go for Collard.

I very, very sincerely hope that that is not true. Otherwise, I will have
to seriously reconsider my placement (dating back some 30 years) of
Faure on my list of My Favorite Composers.

Unless this is the same thread resurrected somehow, there was a discussion
of Stott vs. Collard in this very newsfroup a few months ago. Perhaps
the OP should check what was said then for additional insights.

-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"You go on playing Bach your way, and I'll go on playing him *his* way."
-- Wanda Landowska

Raymond Hall

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Oct 4, 2006, 4:05:49 AM10/4/06
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"Steve Emerson" <eme...@nospamsonic.net> wrote in message
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I'll Google check it out. Thanks.

Ray H
Taree, NSW


Raymond Hall

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Oct 4, 2006, 10:54:04 AM10/4/06
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"Raymond Hall" <rayt...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Having viewed the thread of a moon or two ago, and noting the comments,
which I had read, but forgotten about, (possibly because I was vaguely
interested at the time), I have decided to go for Collard without any
hesitation.

Ray H
Taree, NSW


alanwa...@aol.com

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Oct 4, 2006, 4:47:19 PM10/4/06
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Richard Schultz wrote:
> In article <1159922338.9...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, alanwa...@aol.com <alanwa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> : If you want what the composer actually wrote go for Collard.
>
> I very, very sincerely hope that that is not true. Otherwise, I will have
> to seriously reconsider my placement (dating back some 30 years) of
> Faure on my list of My Favorite Composers.
>
> Unless this is the same thread resurrected somehow, there was a discussion
> of Stott vs. Collard in this very newsfroup a few months ago. Perhaps
> the OP should check what was said then for additional insights.
>
> -----
> Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il


Of course, but if a direct comparison between Ms Stott and Mr Collard
was what was asked for I'll stand by my personal opinion. Faure I
think an elusive composer and no one, probably, is going to get it all

There is also Evelyne Crochet, some of whose performances of same I
appreciate very much. Neither she nor Mr Collard overpedal. It may
not be Miss Stott's fault (we are all at the mercy of the recording
engineer) but that is how it comes across to me. It's just too "big".

I share your love of Faure but never does he come across to me as big.
Subtle, most certainly, but not big and not in the piano pieces (or the
chamber music) or....errr...anything that I can immediately recall.
Indeed, I would suggest a master of understatement.

Thanks to Mr Smetacek's obsession with Shakespeare-related music I made
an early acquaintance with the Shylock Suite and that may indeed have
started me off.

tomdeacon

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Oct 4, 2006, 4:56:37 PM10/4/06
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alanwa...@aol.com wrote:
> Richard Schultz wrote:
> > In article <1159922338.9...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, alanwa...@aol.com <alanwa...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > : If you want what the composer actually wrote go for Collard.
> >
> > I very, very sincerely hope that that is not true. Otherwise, I will have
> > to seriously reconsider my placement (dating back some 30 years) of
> > Faure on my list of My Favorite Composers.
> >
> > Unless this is the same thread resurrected somehow, there was a discussion
> > of Stott vs. Collard in this very newsfroup a few months ago. Perhaps
> > the OP should check what was said then for additional insights.
> >
> > -----
> > Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
>
>
> Of course, but if a direct comparison between Ms Stott and Mr Collard
> was what was asked for I'll stand by my personal opinion. Faure I
> think an elusive composer and no one, probably, is going to get it all
>
> There is also Evelyne Crochet, some of whose performances of same I
> appreciate very much. Neither she nor Mr Collard overpedal. It may
> not be Miss Stott's fault (we are all at the mercy of the recording
> engineer) but that is how it comes across to me. It's just too "big".
>
> I share your love of Faure but never does he come across to me as big.
> Subtle, most certainly, but not big and not in the piano pieces (or the
> chamber music) or....errr...anything that I can immediately recall.
> Indeed, I would suggest a master of understatement.

You're right, of course, but if you play this music yourself, as I have
done all my life, it is impossible to not hear the enormous depth of
feeling in this music. It is not superficial, it is not salon music, it
is not trivial. Indeed, it is among the greatest music for the piano I
know. And yet, its secret seems to escape most pianists. Of all those I
have heard in it, Collard comes just about as close as anyone. He's
been playing it all his life and adores it. But he doesn't try to turn
it into minimally interesting miniatures. He's unafraid of the big
gesture now and again, and the score suggests those gestures, Alan. I
simply love it when he can burst forth at the climax of one of the
Nocturnes. He has the fingers for this music - and you really do need
very good fingers, as the music is notoriously awkward, although it
sounds simple - and uses them.

Mlle Stott suffers from the reverberant Hyperion recording, making it
all seem blowsy and frilly. Perhaps not her intention, but the end
result.

TD

Gregory Arkadin

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Oct 4, 2006, 5:10:08 PM10/4/06
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If you go into any Barnes and Noble, you can
> sample tons of each set. That's how I made my eventual decision anyway.

B&N carries the Collard set? I've never been to one that had any
Brilliant boxes.

gperkins151

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Oct 4, 2006, 7:33:02 PM10/4/06
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They didn't have it, but they had many samples on their listening
stations.

Phil Caron

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Oct 4, 2006, 8:52:41 PM10/4/06
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"Raymond Hall" <rayt...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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I like the Collard set. It didn't strike me as dry. The Stott is unknown
to me.

A different and interesting style in Faure is that of Grant Johanneson. The
music permits suprising interpretive leeway. I suspect you'll enjoy either
the Collard or the Stott in that regard.

This music seems to get better with each hearing.

- Phil Caron


TareeDawg

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Oct 10, 2006, 11:56:37 PM10/10/06
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"Phil Caron" <vlad...@vermontel.net> wrote in message
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Albert Ferber recorded a lot of Faure for the Saga label on LP, which was my
first acquaintance with Faure's piano music. Agree about the quality of the
music, (difficult to play in parts - loads of accidentals), and I once
possessed a number of the scores.

Agreed about the quality of the music. And for once I agree totally with TD
that the music is amongst the best ever penned for piano. Profoundly
romantic and revealing many depths. And NO pounding.
<g>

Ray H
Taree, NSW


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