Merkel gave Francis 107 CDs of music Wilhelm Furtwaengler.

[DennisL]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel met Pope Francis on Saturday 18 May and, apparently responding to his criticism of a heartless "dictatorship of the economy", called for stronger regulation of financial markets.

Merkel gave Francis, who lived briefly in Germany when he was a Jesuit priest, three volumes of poetry by Friedrich Hölderlin and 107 CDs of music by German conductor and composer Wilhelm Furtwangler.

[John Wiser]

"DennisL" <johnke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> German Chancellor Angela Merkel met Pope Francis on Saturday 18 May and, apparently responding to
> his criticism of a heartless "dictatorship of the economy", called for stronger regulation of
> financial markets.

More of what demonstrably doesn't work?

> Merkel gave Francis, who lived briefly in Germany when he was a Jesuit priest, three volumes of

> poetry by > Friedrich H�lderlin and 107 CDs of music by German conductor and composer Wilhelm
> Furtwangler.

For that, surely excommunication is in order.

jdw

[William Sommerwerck]

>> German Chancellor Angela Merkel met Pope Francis on
>> Saturday 18 May and, apparently responding to his criticism
>> of a heartless "dictatorship of the economy", called for
>> stronger regulation of financial markets.

> More of what demonstrably doesn't work?

Our current financial problems are largely due to failure to properly regulate
financial markets.

[John Wiser]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:kn86i2$ohj$1...@dont-email.me...

Here in Paradise we have regulation and regulators up the gazoo.
Why does all this have so little traction with regulatees?

jdw

[William Sommerwerck]

>> Our current financial problems are largely due
>> to failure to properly regulate financial markets.

> Here in Paradise we have regulation and regulators up the gazoo.
> Why does all this have so little traction with regulatees?

Because no one likes being regulated?

The right sort of regulation creates a level playing field and discourages
dishonesty, which is ultimately to everyone's long-term advantage.

[John Wiser]

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:kn8aua$hpa$1...@dont-email.me...

Dreamer. I shudder to think how "right"
that sort of regulation would have to be.

jdw

[William Sommerwerck]

"John Wiser" wrote in message news:5oOlt.11250$nm....@newsfe14.iad...

So all regulation, of any sort, is bad? Let's see... Let's start by getting
rid of traffic lights...

We had such regulation before Bill Clinton and then the Republicans began
dismantling it, in the name of competition. (I saw Clinton publicly apologize
for his role in this.)

[weary flake]

DennisL <johnke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> German Chancellor Angela Merkel met Pope Francis on Saturday 18 May and,
> apparently responding to his criticism of a heartless "dictatorship of the
> economy", called for stronger regulation of financial markets.
>
> Merkel gave Francis, who lived briefly in Germany when he was a Jesuit

> priest, three volumes of poetry by Friedrich H�lderlin and 107 CDs of music

> by German conductor and composer Wilhelm Furtwangler.

Did the Pope then complain about Membran's use of Noise Reduction?

[Arno Schuh]

Yea, but it's not so easy to find out a way to excommunate a daughter of an
evangelic pastor. Perhaps there are a way to double excommunicate her.8-/

[patterbear]

On May 18, 4:59 pm, weary flake <wearyfl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Damn! Your comment made me laugh out loud. Thanks!

[John Thomas]

On May 18, 8:53 am, "John Wiser" <jico...@frontiernet.net> wrote:

> Here in Paradise we have regulation and regulators up the gazoo.
> Why does all this have so little traction with regulatees?

It's because they were unaware that the Pope was not only for it, but
wanted more. Mr Harper, for one, has already changed his political
party registration to Peace & Freedom.

[Bob Harper]

? I've never been registered in any party, and to look to the Holy
Father for specific econimic prescriptions is a fool's errand. That
said, I do support the social teachings of the Church as set forth in a
number of encyclicals beginning with Rerum Novarum, promulgated by Leo
XIII in 1891 and continuing at least through Centesimus Annus of Blessed
John Paul II of 1991. There you will find the principles of a just
society, but you will not find Paul Krugman in a cassock.

Bob Harper

[Matthew B. Tepper]

"Arno Schuh" <arno....@in-trier.de> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:avs5u7...@mid.individual.net:

> [Hiram W. Beepgladeep] wrote:
>> "DennisL" <johnke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> German Chancellor Angela Merkel met Pope Francis on Saturday 18 May
>>> and, apparently responding to his criticism of a heartless
>>> "dictatorship of the economy", called for stronger regulation of
>>> financial markets.
>>
>> More of what demonstrably doesn't work?
>>
>>> Merkel gave Francis, who lived briefly in Germany when he was a

>>> Jesuit priest, three volumes of poetry by > Friedrich Hölderlin and

>>> 107 CDs of music by German conductor and composer Wilhelm
>>> Furtwangler.
>>
>> For that, surely excommunication is in order.
>
> Yea, but it's not so easy to find out a way to excommunate a daughter of
> an evangelic pastor. Perhaps there are a way to double excommunicate
> her.8-/

Or just put her on Double Secret Probation.

--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!!
Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.

[Matthew B. Tepper]

"Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> appears to have caused the
following letters to be typed in news:XnsA1CCF3701A409quackandflap@
216.196.97.131:

> "Arno Schuh" <arno....@in-trier.de> appears to have caused the
following
> letters to be typed in news:avs5u7...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> [Hiram W. Beepgladeep] wrote:
>>> "DennisL" <johnke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> German Chancellor Angela Merkel met Pope Francis on Saturday 18 May
>>>> and, apparently responding to his criticism of a heartless
>>>> "dictatorship of the economy", called for stronger regulation of
>>>> financial markets.
>>>
>>> More of what demonstrably doesn't work?
>>>
>>>> Merkel gave Francis, who lived briefly in Germany when he was a
>>>> Jesuit priest, three volumes of poetry by > Friedrich Hölderlin and
>>>> 107 CDs of music by German conductor and composer Wilhelm
>>>> Furtwangler.
>>>
>>> For that, surely excommunication is in order.
>>
>> Yea, but it's not so easy to find out a way to excommunate a daughter of
>> an evangelic pastor. Perhaps there are a way to double excommunicate
>> her.8-/
>
> Or just put her on Double Secret Probation.

I imagine there are those who won't get this reference either, but it's
from a comedy movie that also has probably been seen by anybody in the
civilized world who has a sense of humor.

[Randy Lane]

I wonder how heavenly the Pope feels about the music during Furtwangler's occassional Indulgences in slow tempi?

[M forever]

Yes, the kind of just society which the CC has supported for so many
centuries, the kind of society in which the common people were
subjugated and exploited by the ruling class so they could live in
splendor and built themselves huge palaces while the common population
lied in absolute squalor, and the church helped hold them down there
so they could also build their huge idol worshiping shrines of gold
and marble while the common population lived like animals.

[M forever]

On May 18, 11:18 am, "John Wiser" <jico...@frontiernet.net> wrote:

> "DennisL" <johnkeefe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > German Chancellor Angela Merkel met Pope Francis on Saturday 18 May and, apparently responding to
> > his criticism of a heartless "dictatorship of the economy", called for stronger regulation of
> > financial markets.
>
> More of what demonstrably doesn't work?

It does, and demonstrably. The woes of the Euro zone are caused by too
little regulation, not too much. It's easy to see. The countries which
are in deep trouble now are the ones which have too little regulation
of the banks and the ones which have to pay all the money to help them
out are the ones with the better regulated banks. Because if financial
institutions aren't strictly regulated, they go totally crazy and find
more and more ways to defraud people by manipulating the numbers in
ever more creative ways designed to extract ever more money from the
system. Remember, if money is just numbers that anyone can play with,
then it's not worth anything anymore. It's only worth something if it
stands for real values. Once the financial wizards find new ways to
invent money that isn't there and direct it to their accounts,
everything goes downhill. It's all really quite basic.

[O]

In article <f69cf926-e13f-407c...@googlegroups.com>,

Randy Lane <randy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder how heavenly the Pope feels about the music during Furtwangler's
> occassional Indulgences in slow tempi?

So heavenly, he's willing to forgive the atheists and sneak them into
heaven.

-Owen

[John Wiser]

"O" <ow...@denofinequityx.com> wrote in message news:270520132136410748%ow...@denofinequityx.com...

Kicking and screaming...

jdw

[Bob Harper]

And overly simplistic--in your telling, at any rate.

Bob Harper

[Bob Harper]

Your historical ignorance is exceeded only by your knee-jerk reaction to
*anything having to do with the Catholic Church. Par for the course.

Bob Harper

[Oscar]

On May 27, 2:18 pm, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
> > Or just put her on Double Secret Probation.
>
> I imagine there are those who won't get this reference either, but it's
> from a comedy movie that also has probably been seen by anybody in the
> civilized world who has a sense of humor.

ROTC leader Doug Neidermeyer: 'And most recently of all, a 'Roman Toga
Party' was held from which we have received more than two dozen
reports of individual acts of perversion _so_ profound and disgusting
that decorum prohibits listing them here.'

Speaking of Neidermeyer, was just watching a Seinfeld rerun, 'The
Maestro', starring Mark Metcalf as conductor Bob Cobb AKA The Maestro.
'I was at a bar and saw a man go up to Leonard Bernstein and say,
"Maestro, can I buy you a beer?" If he can be called Maestro, why not
me?'

It's got one of my favorite Kramer scenes, too, right after he is
awarded free coffee for life at Java World as a settlement for
spilling coffee on himself (that he had placed in his pants while
sneaking it into a movie theater): http://tiny.cc/t5wrxw

[M forever]

So you are saying that the vast majority of the population didn't live
in absolute squalor during the middle ages and indeed until fairly
recently while they didn't build all these huge churches stuffed with
gold and marble that one can see anywhere (at least in Europe)? They
didn't build the biggest of them all, St.Peter's basilica, while large
parts of the population hardly had enough to eat?

[Bob Harper]

No, I am not saying that. However, to jump from that to blaming the
Church for that situation is simply a textbook example of the historical
ignorance to which I allude above. Were most people poor in the Middle
Ages? Yes. Most people have been poor for most of history, regardless of
their religion or lack of one. The increase in societal wealth which has
permitted the spread of prosperity to a significant share of the
population is a modern development.

The churches of the Middle Ages are magnificent owing to the faith of
the people who built them. That may mean nothing to you, but it did to
them, and no matter how much you may dislike it or sneer at it, that
isn't going to change. So tilt at all the windmills you choose (there
are some fine ones outside Consuegra in La Mancha).

Bob Harper

[M forever]

Not that they did have much of a choice, did they?

> That may mean nothing to you, but it did to
> them,

How do you know? Do you think the people who built the pyramids were
totally thrilled to build those huge structures in backbreaking labor,
just so one guy could get to heaven more easily?

> and no matter how much you may dislike it or sneer at it, that
> isn't going to change. So tilt at all the windmills you choose (there
> are some fine ones outside Consuegra in La Mancha).

Impressive as many of these churches are, wouldn't you agree that it
would have made more sense to let the common people - who, after all,
were the ones who worked hard to amass all the wealth - actually enjoy
the fruits of their own labor more, rather than exploiting them as
close to breaking point as possible in order to build these marble and
gold temples? Just look at many of them and think about what vast
wealth went into building them while most people had hardly enough to
eat. Do you think that is what Jesus wanted? I can't find anything in
the descriptions of his life and teachings where it says that you
should amass vast wealth and build huge pompous churches. I can find
pretty explicit statements and even drastic physical action against
the amassing of wealth "for the sake of god" in several places in what
people call the gospels.
There are also very explicit statements against the amassing of wealth
in general, yet the catholic church for many centuries catered to the
rich and powerful, in order to gain more wealth and power itself. That
went to real extremes. Again, while most of the common people starved.
Do you think that is what Jesus wanted?

[Bob Harper]

On 5/28/13 3:06 PM, M forever wrote:

> Impressive as many of these churches are, wouldn't you agree that it
> would have made more sense to let the common people - who, after all,
> were the ones who worked hard to amass all the wealth - actually enjoy
> the fruits of their own labor more, rather than exploiting them as
> close to breaking point as possible in order to build these marble and
> gold temples? Just look at many of them and think about what vast
> wealth went into building them while most people had hardly enough to
> eat. Do you think that is what Jesus wanted? I can't find anything in
> the descriptions of his life and teachings where it says that you
> should amass vast wealth and build huge pompous churches. I can find
> pretty explicit statements and even drastic physical action against
> the amassing of wealth "for the sake of god" in several places in what
> people call the gospels.
> There are also very explicit statements against the amassing of wealth
> in general, yet the catholic church for many centuries catered to the
> rich and powerful, in order to gain more wealth and power itself. That
> went to real extremes. Again, while most of the common people starved.
> Do you think that is what Jesus wanted?

As nothing I could say regarding how much is wrong in the forgoing would
have the slightest effect on your fixed notions, I won't.

Bob Harper

[M forever]

You never say anything to support your "points" anyway. You just act
offended. That reminds me of my 11-year old nephew.

But you can just point me to the bible passages where Jesus says that
the church should amass massive wealth and build itself temples of
gold and marbles. I can look them up myself. I even have a bible
version (two, actually) on my iPad!

So you think the part where Jesus tells the rich man that he has to
give away all his possessions in order to get into the kingdom of
heaven (you know, the camel and the eye of the needle etc) is fake? Or
do you think he meant give all his possessions *to the catholic
church*? It doesn't seem to say that in either of the two versions I
have.

Seeing that Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers in the
temple, what do you think he would have thought about the catholic
church selling indulgences and charging people to see the bones of
saints and all that?