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Which composers had Asperger?
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Dan Koren
Jan 5, 2023, 3:19:50 AM1/5/23
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TIA
raymond....@gmail.com
Jan 5, 2023, 4:58:58 AM1/5/23
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On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 19:19:50 UTC+11, dan....gmail.com wrote:
> TIA
Bohuslav Martinu was definitely one who was identified as having Asperger's syndrome, which is a primary diagnosis of varying degrees of autistic severity. As some may know, Martinu was a full-on neo classical composer, with a very distinct and unique sound palette. Einstein and Mozart were also said to be afflicted in some way.
Ray Hall, Taree
> TIA
Bohuslav Martinu was definitely one who was identified as having Asperger's syndrome, which is a primary diagnosis of varying degrees of autistic severity. As some may know, Martinu was a full-on neo classical composer, with a very distinct and unique sound palette. Einstein and Mozart were also said to be afflicted in some way.
Ray Hall, Taree
MELMOTH
Jan 5, 2023, 5:40:46 AM1/5/23
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raymond....@gmail.com a pensé très fort :
> Einstein and Mozart were also said to be afflicted in some way.
And Glenn Gould, the referred pianist of koko, as everyone knows...
Dan Koren
Jan 5, 2023, 2:20:55 PM1/5/23
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dk
HT
Jan 5, 2023, 6:23:32 PM1/5/23
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Op donderdag 5 januari 2023 om 20:20:55 UTC+1 schreef dan....@gmail.com:
Beethoven, so it seems.
Henk
Henk
Dan Koren
Jan 5, 2023, 8:46:13 PM1/5/23
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Thanks! Didn't Berlioz suffer
from every imaginable mind
affliction? I ask the question ...
dk
Jeanne Douglas
Jan 5, 2023, 11:42:45 PM1/5/23
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Andy Evans
Jan 6, 2023, 4:17:32 AM1/6/23
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On Thursday, 5 January 2023 at 23:23:32 UTC, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Beethoven, so it seems.
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> Henk
I don't believe that for one moment. Beethoven is full of emotion, and a genuine heartfelt feel for music, not an "intellectual" one.
> Beethoven, so it seems.
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> Henk
There will always be academics writing PhDs etc with a 'unique" view of history. This is quite likely one of them.
In any case it's all speculation.
Herman
Jan 6, 2023, 4:20:31 AM1/6/23
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On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 10:17:32 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
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> In any case it's all speculation.
and rather unethical, but what can you expect?
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> In any case it's all speculation.
Oscar
Jan 6, 2023, 4:34:57 AM1/6/23
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On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 1:20:55 PM, deekay wrote:
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> Thanks! How about Bruckner?
How dare you, Sir.
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> Thanks! How about Bruckner?
How dare you, Sir.
HT
Jan 6, 2023, 6:45:47 AM1/6/23
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Op vrijdag 6 januari 2023 om 10:17:32 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:
It is a Dutch biography written by a certain Heijder, titled "Was Beethoven an Asperger?". Van Zweden and his wife (who have an autistic child) seem to agree.
As you say, it is all speculation. But do history and psychology know any form of truth other than probability?
Henk
As you say, it is all speculation. But do history and psychology know any form of truth other than probability?
Henk
Herman
Jan 6, 2023, 7:32:20 AM1/6/23
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On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 12:45:47 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
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> It is a Dutch biography written by a certain Heijder, titled "Was Beethoven an Asperger?". Van Zweden and his wife (who have an autistic child) seem to agree.
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> As you say, it is all speculation. But do history and psychology know any form of truth other than probability?
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> Henk
This Heijder has no degree in psychology. He's a school teacher.
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> It is a Dutch biography written by a certain Heijder, titled "Was Beethoven an Asperger?". Van Zweden and his wife (who have an autistic child) seem to agree.
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> As you say, it is all speculation. But do history and psychology know any form of truth other than probability?
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> Henk
He claims to have asperger himself, and he likes Beethoven, so putting those two things together led him to conclude Beethoven had asperger.
Gerard
Jan 6, 2023, 7:37:21 AM1/6/23
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Op 2023-01-06 om 13:32 schreef Herman:
Which could let me to conclude that Beethoven had a beard ;-)
HT
Jan 6, 2023, 9:06:19 AM1/6/23
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> This Heijder has no degree in psychology. He's a school teacher.
> He claims to have asperger himself, and he likes Beethoven, so putting those two things together led him to conclude Beethoven had asperger.
Whether, as an Asperger, he needs to be a qualified historian and psychologist to do research is questionable. These days, much value is placed on experts by experience.
It is totally unclear to me what performers are supposed to do with the results. Is there any way to sing or conduct the "Ode an die Freude" in Asperger style?
Henk
Herman
Jan 6, 2023, 9:19:55 AM1/6/23
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On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
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> It is totally unclear to me what performers are supposed to do with the results. Is there any way to sing or conduct the "Ode an die Freude" in Asperger style?
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monotonously?
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> It is totally unclear to me what performers are supposed to do with the results. Is there any way to sing or conduct the "Ode an die Freude" in Asperger style?
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HT
Jan 6, 2023, 9:22:02 AM1/6/23
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Op vrijdag 6 januari 2023 om 15:19:55 UTC+1 schreef Herman:
henk
> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 3:06:19 PM UTC+1, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
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> > It is totally unclear to me what performers are supposed to do with the results. Is there any way to sing or conduct the "Ode an die Freude" in Asperger style?
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> monotonously?
Some succeed in doing that without Asperger ...
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> > It is totally unclear to me what performers are supposed to do with the results. Is there any way to sing or conduct the "Ode an die Freude" in Asperger style?
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> monotonously?
henk
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