Mahler lieder recommendations?
Kirk McElhearn
discs that I must have in my collection?
Is this (low-priced) set worth getting:
http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008LOM5
Many thanks, as always!
Kirk
Johannes Roehl
> I've got a few lieder recordings, but not many. Are there any specific
> discs that I must have in my collection?
>
> Is this (low-priced) set worth getting:
>
> http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008LOM5
I don't know these recoridngs, unfortunely (but I expect the Janet Baker
contributions to be very good at least)
Some of my favorites (most midpürice or cheaper if not as dirt chepa ans
the box above)
Lied von der Erde Klemperer/Wunderlich/Ludwig (EMI)
Gesellen/Rückert/Kindertotenlieder Ludwig (EMI)
Des Knaben Wunderhorn Rehfuss/Forrester (Vanguard, reiussed in a twofer)
Des Knaben Wunderhorn Baker/Evans/Morris (probably unavailable)
Don't miss (it's mid-prcie now) the Early Sonsg, in Berio's
instrumentations Hampson/Berio (Warner/teldec), although I'd hope a
better singer than Hampson would do them someday...
Johannes
Simon Roberts
>
>I've got a few lieder recordings, but not many. Are there any specific
>discs that I must have in my collection?
>
>Is this (low-priced) set worth getting:
>
>http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008LOM5
>
It's a rather odd mix of performances, but most of them are at least good. A
few other well-recorded, inexpensive recordings (which also happen to be
favorites):
Das Lied - Klemperer/EMI, Jochum/DG
Wayfarer/Kindertotenlieder/Ruckert - Schmidt/Telarc, Fischer-Dieskau/DG
Knaben Wunderhorn - Prohaska/Vanguard
Simon
david...@aol.com
and she's recorded most of them. As far as I'm concerned, Forrester
was the Mahler singer with the Mahler voice, a rich warm voice that
sounds as if it emanated from Mother Earth, and Forrester was an
incomparably warm, musical, and sensitive singer with a real affinity
for Mahler's music.
I can recommend at least two of her recordings without qualification:
Des Knaben Wunderhorn w/Forrester, Rehfuss, Vienna Festival Orchestra,
Prohaska (Vanguard)
Rueckert Lieder w/Forrester, RIAS Berlin, Fricsay (DG)
There are also these:
Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen w/Forrester, BSO, Munch (RCA)
Kindertotenlieder w/Forrester, BSO, Munch (RCA)
These haven't made it to CD and, while I normally admire Munch, there's
something lacking from his contributions here that I can't quite put my
finger on. Still, they're worth hearing.
There is also this:
Das Lied von der Erde w/Forrester, Lewis, CSO, Reiner
This looks extremely promising on paper and Forrester is indeed
incomparable in this performance, but Reiner doesn't quite pull off the
last movement, doesn't quite sustain enough forward drive from one end
to the other. This is a decent enough performance and vastly superior
to Reiner's Mahler 4, but it's also a comparative disappointment if you
want both Forrester and the best possible conducting.
There's also this from Haitink's first recording of Mahler's 3rd:
"Urlicht" w/Forrester, Concertgebouw, Haitink
-david gable
pgaron
david...@aol.com wrote:
> There is also this:
>
> Das Lied von der Erde w/Forrester, Lewis, CSO, Reiner
>
> This looks extremely promising on paper and Forrester is indeed
> incomparable in this performance, but Reiner doesn't quite pull off the
> last movement, doesn't quite sustain enough forward drive from one end
> to the other. This is a decent enough performance and vastly superior
> to Reiner's Mahler 4, but it's also a comparative disappointment if you
> want both Forrester and the best possible conducting.
And there's also a "live" DLvDE with Forrester and Richard Lewis,
conducted by Bruno Walter, from a Carnegie Hall performance on April
16, 1960. This is available on the Music & Arts label.
pgaron
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>there's also a "live" DLvDE with Forrester and Richard Lewis, conducted by Bruno Walter
Thanks, Phil. I didn't know about this performance. I take it you
prefer it to the studio recording with Reiner.
-david gable
peter_s...@hotmail.com
then Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau. In 2003 EMI released seven Discs of
Fischer-Dieskau singing Mahler (7243 5 62188 2 5). The price was quite
cheap the singing anything but, recordings date from 1952-1966. EMI
also has on their Great Recordings of the Century series performances
by Fischer-Dieskau of Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen,
Kindertotenlieder, Excerpts from Des Knaben Wunderhorn and Five
Rueckertlieder. Furtwaengler and Kempe are the conductors, Barenboim is
the pianist Performances date from the mid 1950's. There is a recent
two disc EMI set (7243 4 76780 2 8) in which he is partnered by pianist
Barenboim. BBC Legends (BBCL 4035-2) has a recital from the Royal
Festival Hall given on Feb. 16, 1970, which is well worth a listen.
Karl Engel is the pianist. On Deutsche Grammophon (415 191-2) may be
found different performances of some of the works already cited. Lieder
eines fahrenden Gesellen, Kindertotenlieder, and Four Rueckert-Liedeer.
Conductors are Kubelik and Boehm.
Peter Schenkman
Kirk McElhearn
> With the songs of Gustav Mahler I think that you need go no further
> then Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau. In 2003 EMI released seven Discs of
> Fischer-Dieskau singing Mahler (7243 5 62188 2 5). The price was quite
> cheap the singing anything but, recordings date from 1952-1966.
I can't find this anywhere... Can you provide an Amazon link?
Kirk
pgaron
I have never heard the DLvDE with Reiner, although I keep meaning to
track down a copy. I prefer Walter's other DLvDE's, especially the
Decca release with Ferrier and the studio recording on CBS-Sony with
Mildred Miller, to this one. Although I greatly admire Forrester, I
don't think that she and the other two principals are at their best
here, and the sonics are a little off-putting. But Forrester
completists may want to seek out this one on M&A.
pgaron
david...@aol.com
>Although I greatly admire Forrester, I don't think that she and the other two principals are at their best here, and the sonics are a little off-putting. But Forrester completists may want to seek out this one on M&A
Thanks for the warning. I'm not a Forrester completist so I think I'll
sit this one out. (I think I once had a Das Lied with Forrester and
Szell in poor sound that didn't do much for me, but I may be
hallucinating.)
-david gable
mdhjwh
I'm amazed at no recommendations for the Bruno Walter, Kathlein
Ferrier, Julius Patzak , Vienna Philharmonic recording of Das Lied von
der Erde. OK, it's mono but in my unhumble opinion it's one of the
greatest recordings ever made.
jrs...@aol.com
I think her performance with Szell is now available again relatively
cheap--on Living Stage or Archipel.
--Jeff
Vaneyes
Schwarzkopf, Ludwig, DF-D...
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Regards
mdhjwh
Walter Berry recording of Das Knaben Wunderhorn originally released on
CBS LP SBR 235300 ( I don't know if it was ever re-released on CD - if
not, it should be). This was made at a last minute recital.
Fischer-Dieskau cancelled a leider recital owing to a car accident and
Berstein,Ludwig & Berry stepped into the gap giving us what was
probably the first ever complete recording of Wunderhorn in this form.
A. Brain
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> In article <1h4iuag.h7aeci1a8qctcN%ki...@mcelhearn.com>, Kirk McElhearn
> says...
>>
>>I've got a few lieder recordings, but not many. Are there any specific
>>discs that I must have in my collection?
Other than Mahler, there are the indispensable
Baker recordings on EMI of Schubert Lieder,
shamefully not including texts (though the original
"budget" priced LPS had lavish texts and notes).
The fairly recent Bostridge discs of Schubert
have been repackaged, possibly so EMI can omit texts.
One must have Schumann and Brahms as well,
and Baker or Fischer-Dieskau have recorded
most of those.
> Das Lied - Klemperer/EMI, Jochum/DG
> Wayfarer/Kindertotenlieder/Ruckert - Schmidt/Telarc,
> Fischer-Dieskau/DG
> Knaben Wunderhorn - Prohaska/Vanguard
The DFD/Boehm listed above is indispensable,
and I think is the only Boehm recording of
Mahler, and maybe the LvdE is the only
Mahler recording by Jochum as well?
I like the Walter NYPO LvdE and also
Bernstein"s on Decca.
--
A. Brain
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Rich S.
The cover photo on that DLVdE is the kind of photo on which you could
run a caption contest! What did Mo tell Bruno?
pgaron
Exactly so! Good observation on your part.
pgaron
eye...@aol.com
and grow tiresome on subsequent listening.
Unfortunately he is basically ubiquitous in these pieces, but i would
urge you to sample excellent modern versions like
Dietrich Henschel in the Ruckert and Wunderhorn songs [On Erato with
Halle/ and Nagano].
Ive been priveleged to hear live in recent times both jose van dam and
G. Meier [with abbado] sing the Ruckertleider and I wish either of them
would be recorded! [I know a Meier version already exists with Maazel
but I havent heard it]
jrs...@aol.com
G. Meier...or W. Meier (whom I like very much in this music, and I
think I heard her with Abbado, as well!).
--Jeff
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>> The cover photo on that DLVdE is the kind of photo on which you could
>> run a caption contest! What did Mo tell Bruno?
>>
>> http://www.musicandarts.com/CDpages/CD4206.jpg
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> "I'm late!"?
LOL. Folks, I think we have a winner.
Steve
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eye...@aol.com wrote:
> Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau can be remarkably overbearing in this music
> and grow tiresome on subsequent listening.
I'm not a big fan, but DFD's Mahler strikes me as some of his best work
on record. The cycles for DG with Kubelik and Boehm are very fine.
> Unfortunately he is basically ubiquitous in these pieces,
It's only "unfortunate", I suppose, if you don't care for him. But
there are plenty of other available options.
> but i would
> urge you to sample excellent modern versions like
> Dietrich Henschel in the Ruckert and Wunderhorn songs [On Erato with
> Halle/ and Nagano].
I agree - this is a terrific disc.
> Ive been priveleged to hear live in recent times both jose van dam and
> G. Meier [with abbado] sing the Ruckertleider and I wish either of them
> would be recorded!
Van Dam recorded both the Rueckertlieder and Kindertotenlieder with
Casadesus conducting, for Forlane. It may be OOP, though. A pity -
it's one of my favorite discs.
Bill
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>> The cover photo on that DLVdE is the kind of photo on which you could
>> run a caption contest! What did Mo tell Bruno?
>>
>> http://www.musicandarts.com/CDpages/CD4206.jpg
>
>"I'm late!"?
LOL.
Well, in any case they must have made up. In the 70's I saw a
Forrester recital where she sang some of Walter's songs.
Gareth Williams
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Kindertotenlieder with Celibidache, and a measured and warm Wunderhorn
with Zender [on CPO]!
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> I've got a few lieder recordings, but not many. Are there any specific
> discs that I must have in my collection?
>
>
> Kirk
(Recent Youtube upload):
Review: Marilyn Horne's Exceptional Mahler Lieder
Lawrence Kart
> I've got a few lieder recordings, but not many. Are there any specific
> discs that I must have in my collection?
>
> Is this (low-priced) set worth getting:
>
> http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008LOM5
>
> Many thanks, as always!
>
> Kirk
Tassilo
Gustav Mahler: Rückert Lieder
Maureen Forrester/Radio Symphonie-Orchester Berlin/Ferenc Fricsay (DG)
Gustav Mahler: Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen
Maureen Forrester/BSO/Charles Munch (RCA)
Gustav Mahler: Kindertotenlieder
Maureen Forrester/BSO/Charles Munch (RCA)
Gustav Mahler: Des Knaben Wunderhorn
Maureen Forrester/Vienna Symphony/Felix Prohaska (Vanguard)
Gustav Mahler: Das Lied von der Erde
Maureen Forrester/CSO/Fritz Reiner* (RCA)
*Unfortunately I find Reiner’s contribution somewhat disappointing
There are live recordings of Das Lied with Walter & Szell, but I haven’t heard them.
Gustav Mahler: Symphony no. 2
Maureen Forrester/New York Philharmonic/Zubin Mehta*
*This performance, which I have not heard, is included in the box set issued by The New York Philharmonic, The Mahler Broadcasts, 1948-1982
Forrester has also recorded the 2nd symphony with the following conductors:
Bruno Walter, Gilbert Kaplan, Leonard Slatkin*
*These would not be my first choices for the 2nd Symphony.
Forrester has recorded the 3rd symphony with the following conductors:
Zubin Mehta, Bernard Haitink*
*These would not be my first choices for the 3rd symphony.
-Tassilo
number_six
> For me, it’s Maureen Forrester all the way. <snip>
> Maureen Forrester/Vienna Symphony/Felix Prohaska (Vanguard)
>
Guess I didn't even realize he had recorded any Mahler.
Just sent for this.
wkasimer
Alex Brown
> I've got a few lieder recordings, but not many. Are there any specific
> discs that I must have in my collection?
* Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen with
Fischer-Dieskau/Philharmonia/Furtwängler (1952)
* Ruckert-Lieder with Christa Ludwig/Berlin PO/Karajan (1974)
Bob Harper
(snip)
> Maureen Forrester/CSO/Fritz Reiner* (RCA)
> *Unfortunately I find Reiner’s contribution somewhat disappointing
> There are live recordings of Das Lied with Walter & Szell, but I haven’t heard them.
>
> -Tassilo
>
>
What is it yoou find disappointing? I've loved this performance from the
first time I heard it. It seems to me that Reiner's cool approach works
well.
Agree that Forrester was a magnificent Mahler singer.
Bob Harper
Frank Berger
- with Reiner, Szell and Walter.
number_six
nice cd on Hungaroton also has Blumine mvt, KTL
gggg gggg
> I've got a few lieder recordings, but not many. Are there any specific
> discs that I must have in my collection?
> http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008LOM5
> Many thanks, as always!
> Kirk
Kirsten Flagstad; "LIEDER EINES FAHRENDEN GESELLEN"; Gustav Mahler
gggg gggg
> I've got a few lieder recordings, but not many. Are there any specific
> discs that I must have in my collection?
> Is this (low-priced) set worth getting:
> http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008LOM5
> Many thanks, as always!
> Kirk
(Recent Y. upload):
gggg gggg
> I've got a few lieder recordings, but not many. Are there any specific
> discs that I must have in my collection?
> Is this (low-priced) set worth getting:
> http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008LOM5
> Many thanks, as always!
> Kirk
gggg gggg
> I've got a few lieder recordings, but not many. Are there any specific
> discs that I must have in my collection?
> Is this (low-priced) set worth getting:
> http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008LOM5
> Many thanks, as always!
> Kirk
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