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GustavM

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Mar 27, 2008, 1:33:55 PM3/27/08
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Came across mention of a piece while web-surfing the other day that
sounds like it would be interesting to hear:

Ann LaBaron Concerto for Active Frogs for Male soloist, mixed
chorus, percussion, and tape collage of Frog sounds.

Has anyone here ever heard this piece? I couldn't find any indication
that it had ever been recorded.

It got me thinking about other Classical pieces that deal with
Reptiles and Amphibians. I could only come up with five others:

Respighi Butantan (In a Snake Garden) from Brazilian Pictures
Saint-saens Tortoise from Carnival of the Animals
Revueltas Sensemaya
Rameau Platee
Ravel L'Enfant et les Sortiliges

Anyone out there know of any others? Mentioning non-symphonic
classical pieces would be fine too.

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Lookingglass

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Mar 27, 2008, 2:04:46 PM3/27/08
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"GustavM" <mmt...@hotmail.com> wrote


Britten-PRINCE OF THE PAGODAS

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Curtis Croulet

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Mar 27, 2008, 2:47:25 PM3/27/08
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> It got me thinking about other Classical pieces that deal with
> Reptiles and Amphibians. I could only come up with five others:

How about Alberich in Das Rheingold, who transforms himself first into a
snake, and then foolishly into a toad, enabling his capture by Wotan? How
about Fafner's dragon guise? This last assumes that you include dragons as
reptiles.
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Todd Schurk

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Mar 27, 2008, 3:47:45 PM3/27/08
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On Mar 27, 11:47 am, "Curtis Croulet" <calypte@_NO_SPAM_verizon.net>
wrote:

And wasn't it Hanslick the German critic who called Bruckners
symphonies "symphonic boa constrictors"? Todd S.

Arno Schuh

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Mar 27, 2008, 3:59:19 PM3/27/08
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GustavM <mmt...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone out there know of any others? Mentioning non-symphonic
> classical pieces would be fine too.

Krokodile Rock.

See you later ...

Arno

Lionel Tacchini

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Mar 27, 2008, 4:11:45 PM3/27/08
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Todd Schurk wrote :

I believe Brahms, the German composer, said something of the kind.

Lionel Tacchini


Kerrison

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Mar 27, 2008, 4:16:14 PM3/27/08
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On 27 Mar, 19:59, "Arno Schuh" <arno.sc...@in-trier.de> wrote:

Bach: Komm susser Toad

Gerard

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Mar 27, 2008, 5:14:03 PM3/27/08
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Like in "Toad und Verklärung"?


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---MIKE---

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Mar 27, 2008, 6:05:04 PM3/27/08
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Handel - Israel in Egypt mentions frogs.


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Ward Hardman

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Mar 27, 2008, 6:46:23 PM3/27/08
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Telemann: Overture in F major "Alster Overture" (movement VII -
"Concert of frogs and crows")
Telemann: Violin Concerto in A major "Die Relinge" (The Frogs)
Bantock: Comedy Overture, "The Frogs" (Aristophanes)
Norby, Erik: "The Rainbow Snake"

Also:

Schubert: String Quartet No. 14 ("Der Toad und das Maedchen")


--Ward Hardman

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William Sommerwerck

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Mar 27, 2008, 9:03:10 PM3/27/08
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> Bach: Komm susser Toad

How about Siegrieds Toad?


Thomas Wood

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Mar 28, 2008, 2:46:13 AM3/28/08
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"---MIKE---" <twinmo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Handel - Israel in Egypt mentions frogs.

...#5 "Their land brought forth frogs."

Telemann: Concerto for violin, in A major "Die Relinge" (The Frogs), TWV
51:A4

Telemann: Overture "Alster Echo" in F major, TWV 55:F11, movement 7: Die
concertirenden Frösche und Krähen (Concert of frogs and crows)

References to snakes in music are quite common....frogs less so.

Tom Wood


TareeDawg

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Mar 28, 2008, 3:10:30 AM3/28/08
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Sensemaya by Revueltas is one his best known pieces, and involves a
Caribbean type chant regarding the killing of a snake.

Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree

Johannes Roehl

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Mar 28, 2008, 4:32:35 AM3/28/08
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GustavM schrieb:

Koechlin: The Jungle Book has also a snake in it, I believe.
And someone must have set to music the mock turtle's song from Caroll's
Alice

Johannes

Matthew B. Tepper

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Mar 28, 2008, 10:41:32 AM3/28/08
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"William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> appears to have caused the
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Toad und Verklärung.

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Isn't the phrase "Die alte Böse schlange" in one of the Bach motets?

Gerard

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Mar 28, 2008, 11:11:31 AM3/28/08
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Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzle...@comcast.net> appears to have
> caused the following letters to be typed in news:Vbudnb6kQMx-
> 3nHanZ2dnU...@comcast.com:
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> > "Kerrison" <kerrison1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:a51861f5-fca6-4e7b...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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> > > Bach: Komm susser Toad
> >
> > How about Siegrieds Toad?
>
> Toad und Verklärung.

Jeez.


GustavM

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Mar 29, 2008, 1:00:38 AM3/29/08
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> Telemann: Concerto for violin, in A major "Die Relinge" (The Frogs), TWV
> 51:A4
>
> Telemann: Overture "Alster Echo" in F major, TWV 55:F11, movement 7: Die
> concertirenden Frösche und Krähen (Concert of frogs and crows)
>
> References to snakes in music are quite common....frogs less so.
>
> Tom Wood

Telemann again? Hmmm, those pieces might go good with his Cricket
Symphony.

Yes, any music based on Genesis would probably have a snake in it. I'm
thinking specifically of that piece by Corigliano which I can't
remember the name of offhand. Ian Mackellen narrated it.

Sol L. Siegel

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Mar 29, 2008, 10:34:56 AM3/29/08
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:03:10 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzle...@comcast.net> wrote:

>How about Siegrieds Toad?

Wouldn't that have been Mime?

- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA

Sol L. Siegel

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Mar 29, 2008, 10:36:51 AM3/29/08
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:08:09 +0100, EM <emmemmme...@gnail.com>
wrote:

>Janácek's opera The Cunning Little Vixen als has a (singing) frog in
>it afaik.

An important character, in fact. And a great opera.

Dontait...@aol.com

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Mar 29, 2008, 3:17:42 PM3/29/08
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RCA Victor LM-2118 contains suites arranged by Miklos Rozsa from two
of his film scores: Kipling's Jungle Book and Thief of Baghdad. Rozsa
conducts the Frankenland State Symphony Orchestra and the narrator is
Leo Genn.

Kipling's Jungle Book, naturally, has snakes: "Kaa the Python -- the
wise one" (contrabassoon). To quote from the LP jacket notes: "Hissing
sound of muted brass tells of the Poison Cobra...."

The record is fun and, I think, little known. It was a late mono-
only issue, circa 1956. Leo Genn is special.

Don Tait

GustavM

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Mar 30, 2008, 1:03:37 AM3/30/08
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Leo Genn was a good Starbuck in Huston's film of Moby Dick. He
probably should have played Ahab instead of Peck. Rozsa was a great
film composer. Too bad his film music isn't heard more often in
concert. I'd love to hear the Ben-Hur score live sometime. Speaking of
film scores, I suppose John Williams's music for Jurrasic Park could
be considered Reptiles and Amphibians music.

Another one I came across is Michael Daugherty's Alligator Alley for
wind band. There's actually a performance of it on Youtube.

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