Liszt recordings
mandryka
I'm looking forward to it. I've enjoyed Levy's Sonata and
Sofronitsky's Dante Sonata recently. And some concert etudes too --
Annie Fischer's Sospiro and Cziffra in Leggierezza.
I wouldn't mind using the bicentenary as an excuse to build up my
collection of Liszt recordings -- so any ideas about special
recordings would be appreciated.
But no fudge, thank you -- no third Liebestraeume, for example.
JohnGavin
I think highly of Nojima plays Liszt - steely perfection (that's a
compliment).
If you can find Gekic's Transcendental Etudes, its brilliant!
Hamelin's Paganini Etudes are very fine.
The Sonata with Gilels (live version) - Brilliant Classics Label
Hamelin plays Liszt on Hyperion - Liszt-lite - but convincingly so.
PC #1, 2, Totentanz - ZImerman, Ozawa DG (He gives every note
meaning.)
M. A.
I'm by no means a Liszt completist, but a few things spring to mind:
Arrau in the Sonata and Jeux d'eaux à la villa d'Este
Gilels, besides many good Sonatas, did a tremendous Spanish Rhapsody,
which may be difficult to find.
Brendel's first book of the Années de pèlerinage is surprisingly good (at
least in Au bord d'une source, I remember).
As for Liszt's late works, the recitals by Pollini, Bavouzet and Andsnes
are quite good.
If you want visual excitement and tremendous virtuosity, there's nothing
better than heading over to youtube and watching young Pletnev play the
first Mephisto Valse (terrible sound quality) and Berezovsky playing the
entire Transcendental Etudes in one sitting at La Roque (available in good
quality).
Pletnev:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s_udP96R5M (part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j161fzjOzyg (part 2)
Berezovsky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwI5zilJ-g (starts here with Nos. 1-3)
M. A.
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Arrau's 1970 recording of the B�n�diction
Arrau's 1971 Verdi/Liszt paraphrases
Brendel's 1972 recording of the Bagatelle sans tonalit�
Brendel's 1968 recording of the Csardas obstin�
Brendel's 1981 recording of La lugubre gondola
Brendel's 1955-1959 recording of the Tarantella
Kempff's 1950 recording of the L�gendes
Magaloff's 1961 Grandes �tudes d'apr�s Paganini
<g> I'll leave it to others to complete the list of - musically (and also
technically) - great performances of Liszt.
Henk
pianomaven
> Hamelin's Paganini Etudes are very fine.
Funny, John. I have always felt that he took the Paganini out of those
etudes.
TD
Matthew B. Tepper
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> It's his bicentenary this year.
>
> I'm looking forward to it. I've enjoyed Levy's Sonata and
> Sofronitsky's Dante Sonata recently.
Which reminds me, my copies of the first and second Ernst Levy sets are
available if anybody wants to pay me what I paid for them: $47.31, plus
reimbursement for shipping.
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Matthew B. Tepper
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> I think highly of Nojima plays Liszt - steely perfection (that's a
> compliment).
As do I. Any more from him, apart from this and his Ravel CD? I see some
compilations with other performers which don't interest me, on Arkivmusic.
Gerard
Did anyone hear the Sonata, recorded by Mykola Suk, on Music and Arts?
It got such a great review at MusicWeb ("recording of the month") that all other
recordings seem to be unimportant:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2011/Jan11/liszt_sonata_1234.htm
mandryka
high opinion of Brendel's Liszt -- I 've never heard it. I'll do
something about that!
Neither have I heard any Nojima -- I'll check it out.
Are you fed up of Levy, Matthew? Is that why you're selling? You have
to keep the Appassionata just for the final movement.
Some of the things mentioned I know and can second - Gekic's TEs (has
anyone heard his années with the Dante sonata?); Arrau's B minor
sonata (I like the one in his Great Pianists), Gilels’s live one from
Moscow (I think.)
Has anyone here got any favourite Hungarian Rhapsody recordings? I was
bowled over when I heard Busoni's record, but everything else after
that seems disappointing. No one makes me happy past the half way
point in the second -- when it turns into loony tunes. Not even
Moiseiewitsch.
Maybe it's the music -- but that Busoni record is really quite
special.
Bob Lombard
> mandryka<howie...@googlemail.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:55006ad2-ee63-4370-8929-1c406762fb13
> @j1g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>
>> It's his bicentenary this year.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to it. I've enjoyed Levy's Sonata and
>> Sofronitsky's Dante Sonata recently.
>
> Which reminds me, my copies of the first and second Ernst Levy sets are
> available if anybody wants to pay me what I paid for them: $47.31, plus
> reimbursement for shipping.
>
The Marston, I assume. Compared to the jacked up prices at Amazon,
that's a deal.
bl
M. A.
>
> Did anyone hear the Sonata, recorded by Mykola Suk, on Music and Arts?
> It got such a great review at MusicWeb ("recording of the month") that
> all
> other recordings seem to be unimportant:
>
> http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2011/Jan11/liszt_sonata_1234.htm
I haven't, but you can get an idea by watching yourself. The first five
minutes of that very same performance are available on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfRNOf_Lg84
M. A.
JohnGavin
Yes, to an extent I think he does too.....but he has fun with them,
and it's infectious.
He gives them an unexpected sophistication.
For a more Paganiniesque rendition, I'd look up the out-of-print Andre
Watts recording.
Alan Cooper
news:8a1a88d4-e245-41a6...@k11g2000vbf.googlegroups.
com:
How about that nutty VAI compilation of 19 HRs performed by 19 different pianists?
AC
Steve Emerson
<55006ad2-ee63-4370...@j1g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Sonata: Richter (Philips), Cortot, Sofronitsky, Annie Fischer, Berman,
Gilels (Orfeo), Schliessmann, and a few that escape me right now
Transcendental Etudes: Berman (stereo studio recording ca. 1963 from
Melodiya), Ovchinikov, Arrau, Gekic, Richter's eight on Palexa
Années: Fiorentino (just two books IIRC) and numerous excerpts by others
Volume One of Fiorentino: Early Recordings (the Contemplative Liszt) on
APR
Hungarian Rhapsodies: mid-'50s Cziffra
Not exhaustive.
SE.
rje
> mandryka <howie.st...@googlemail.com> wrote innews:8a1a88d4-e245-41a6...@k11g2000vbf.googlegroups.
> com:
>
> How about that nutty VAI compilation of 19 HRs performed by 19 different pianists?
>
> AC
Yes! especially Nos. 3 (Nyiregyhazi), 6 (Levitzky), 7 (Hambourg), 10,
(Novaes), 11 (Cortot).
Ray
Norman Schwartz
Since I hardly ever see him mentioned, I'll ask what our pianophiles think
of Jorge Bolet's Liszt. A while back I think it was held in high regard by
many. Has it since been outclassed or was it never really so very good?
Oscar
>
> > Maybe it's the music -- but that Busoni record is really quite
> > special.
>
> How about that nutty VAI compilation of 19 HRs performed by 19 different pianists?
>
> AC
I like that one, too.
What about Jorge Bolet? How does his Liszt box on Decca stand up 30
years later??
O
<nm...@optonline.net> wrote:
I've yet to hear a better "Benediction," for one. He was at his best
in Liszt, pretty much.
-Owen
Bob Lombard
> Thanks for the rapid and interested responses. I never expected such a
> high opinion of Brendel's Liszt -- I 've never heard it. I'll do
> something about that!
>
> Neither have I heard any Nojima -- I'll check it out.
>
> Are you fed up of Levy, Matthew? Is that why you're selling? You have
> to keep the Appassionata just for the final movement.
>
> Some of the things mentioned I know and can second - Gekic's TEs (has
> sonata (I like the one in his Great Pianists), Gilels�s live one from
> Moscow (I think.)
>
> Has anyone here got any favourite Hungarian Rhapsody recordings? I was
> bowled over when I heard Busoni's record, but everything else after
> that seems disappointing. No one makes me happy past the half way
> point in the second -- when it turns into loony tunes. Not even
> Moiseiewitsch.
>
> Maybe it's the music -- but that Busoni record is really quite
> special.
>
>
>
Cziffra. Szidon.
btw, what's wrong with Loony Tunes?
bl
El Klauso
engrossing performances of the Symphonic Poems - a window onto a
vanished vista of conductorial style.
rje
It's still a little bit on the dull side. He tended to be overly
cautious in the recording studio compared to the live performances
that I've heard. A notable exception is his recording of the 12
Transcendental Etudes he made for Ensayo (issued in the U.S. on RCA in
somewhat inferior sound).
JohnGavin
> On Jan 13, 5:22 pm, Oscar <oscaredwardwilliam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 13, 1:19 pm, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Maybe it's the music -- but that Busoni record is really quite
> > > > special.
>
> > > How about that nutty VAI compilation of 19 HRs performed by 19 different pianists?
>
> > > AC
>
> > I like that one, too.
>
> > What about Jorge Bolet? How does his Liszt box on Decca stand up 30
> > years later??
>
> It's still a little bit on the dull side. He tended to be overly
> cautious in the recording studio compared to the live performances
> that I've heard.
That's exactly my perception as well.
A notable exception is his recording of the 12
> Transcendental Etudes he made for Ensayo (issued in the U.S. on RCA in
> somewhat inferior sound).
There is also an early Sonata in B Minor which appeared on Everest
Records - I'm sure that I would prefer the earlier Bolet recordings.
pianomaven
> On Jan 13, 3:01 pm, pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 13, 2:28 pm, JohnGavin <dagd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > Hamelin's Paganini Etudes are very fine.
>
> > Funny, John. I have always felt that he took the Paganini out of those
> > etudes.
>
> > TD
>
> Yes, to an extent I think he does too.....but he has fun with them,
> and it's infectious.
> He gives them an unexpected sophistication.
You might try Jeanne-Marie Darre. She keeps the Paganini but also the
sophistication.
TD
pianomaven
> mandryka <howie.st...@googlemail.com> wrote innews:8a1a88d4-e245-41a6...@k11g2000vbf.googlegroups.
> com:
>
>
>
> > Thanks for the rapid and interested responses. I never expected
> > such a high opinion of Brendel's Liszt -- I 've never heard it.
> > I'll do something about that!
>
> > Neither have I heard any Nojima -- I'll check it out.
>
> > Are you fed up of Levy, Matthew? Is that why you're selling? You
> > have to keep the Appassionata just for the final movement.
>
> > Some of the things mentioned I know and can second - Gekic's TEs
> > minor sonata (I like the one in his Great Pianists), Gilels s
> > live one from Moscow (I think.)
>
> > Has anyone here got any favourite Hungarian Rhapsody recordings?
> > I was bowled over when I heard Busoni's record, but everything
> > else after that seems disappointing. No one makes me happy past
> > the half way point in the second -- when it turns into loony
> > tunes. Not even Moiseiewitsch.
>
> > Maybe it's the music -- but that Busoni record is really quite
> > special.
>
> How about that nutty VAI compilation of 19 HRs performed by 19 different pianists?
You said it!
TD
pianomaven
Don't be so sure.
That Everest Sonata is not particularly good, or well recorded,
unfortunately.
Bolet in the studio was very careful, very controlled, very perfect,
every inflection honed to a fare-thee-well. When he decided to "let
loose" - and that was not often, but never in studio - he could really
burn up the keyboard. The CH recital shows that side, as do a couple
of other live recital recordings. But Bolet was never Cziffra. They
don't even speak the same language.
TD
JohnGavin
Cziffra.
I grew up with a recording of him playing the Fantasy & Fugue on BACH,
La Legierezza and the Polonaise in E Major.
It is perhaps the closest thing to definitive Liszt piano performance
I've ever heard (even though definitive doesn't exist :)
Sol L. Siegel
fabe89...@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com:
> For a more Paganiniesque rendition, I'd look up the out-of-print Andre
> Watts recording.
Do you mean the CBS/Columbia? (The EMI is still in print, after all.)
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
Sol L. Siegel
7c1e0a...@q18g2000vbk.googlegroups.com:
> Apart from the piano, I'd recommend Golovanov's rough-hewn but
> engrossing performances of the Symphonic Poems - a window onto a
> vanished vista of conductorial style.
Agreed: get as many of these as you can.
The four from Dean Dixon on ReDiscovery aren't exactly
chopped liver, either. Now, who has a recommendation
in modern sound?
I'd recommend one of the Bernstein recordings of the
Faust Symphony, and/or the Beecham.
The Richter/Kondrashin PCs remain essential. (The much-
praised Zimermans have never gotten to me the same way.)
I'll second the vote for Ovchinikov's TE's, but I also
remain a fan of Arrau here. In addition to previously
named versions, I'm fond of the Sonata from Leon Fleisher
and Arnaldo Cohen (his first version, on Carlton).
Then there's the Csardas Macabre, played by Ogdon - one
of my all-time favorite individual piano recordings. But
you have to buy a 4-CD EMI set to get it!
mandryka
> In article
> <55006ad2-ee63-4370-8929-1c406762f...@j1g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>
> mandryka <howie.st...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > It's his bicentenary this year.
>
> > I'm looking forward to it. I've enjoyed Levy's Sonata and
> > Sofronitsky's Dante Sonata recently. And some concert etudes too --
> > Annie Fischer's Sospiro and Cziffra in Leggierezza.
>
> > I wouldn't mind using the bicentenary as an excuse to build up my
> > collection of Liszt recordings -- so any ideas about special
> > recordings would be appreciated.
>
> > But no fudge, thank you -- no third Liebestraeume, for example.
>
> Sonata: Richter (Philips), Cortot, Sofronitsky, Annie Fischer, Berman,
> Gilels (Orfeo), Schliessmann, and a few that escape me right now
>
> Transcendental Etudes: Berman (stereo studio recording ca. 1963 from
> Melodiya), Ovchinikov, Arrau, Gekic, Richter's eight on Palexa
>
>
> Volume One of Fiorentino: Early Recordings (the Contemplative Liszt) on
> APR
>
> Hungarian Rhapsodies: mid-'50s Cziffra
>
> Not exhaustive.
>
> SE.
It's interesting in the list for the sonatas you mention Cortot rather
than Horowitz. They were released roughly at the same time and I think
that didn't do Cortot any favours. For some reason Horowitz seems to
have upstaged him, to have stolen the limelight.
I quite like Horowitz and Cortot in this -- both the Horowitz
recordings seem pretty good to me. Just not as good as Levy.
It's nice to meet someone else who appreciates Schliessmann!
BTW, you know that Liszt wrote a loud ending to the sonata, which he
scratched out and replaced by the beautiful mysterious ending we all
know and love? Someone put me on to a record which figures the
original ending by Thomas Hitzlberger. It's not bad at all -- on a
piano which Liszt used to play and which I think sounds ravishing. The
problem is that the quiet mysterious ending is one of the most
beautiful pieces of music ever written IMO -- the original ending is
just fireworks.
What do you think of Pletnev's Liszt? When the Melodyia CD came out in
the 80s I was hooked -- I remember thinking that he made the sonata
sound like a really modern piece of music. I also have the DG -- but I
haven't played it/them in years.
Gerard
Thanks!
The Hungarian Rhapsody 13 (and more, like the Hungarian Fantasy, with Pletnev
conducting) is there too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiGlgLLKut4
Remarkable. That no one else comments on this. Is he such an unknown pianist?
Or is he regarded a not so good one?
Matthew B. Tepper
to be typed in news:ccac04d4-c5e1-486c-84e1-7c1e0a3124e4
@q18g2000vbk.googlegroups.com:
> Apart from the piano, I'd recommend Golovanov's rough-hewn but
> engrossing performances of the Symphonic Poems - a window onto a
> vanished vista of conductorial style.
I got that one at Record Surplus, where they had two copies, and after one
listen, Record Surplus had two copies again. Those awful, awful brass!
SPAM- @xs4all.nl HvT
Suk is a good professional. The youtube samples are bland. There is no
reason to buy MusicWeb's "recording of the month". The performances of
youngsters like Groh and Lazaridis, as unlike Levy as Suk's version, are far
more interesting.
Henk
richard...@gmail.com
Seconded with enthusiasm. The style may have vanished, but he makes
these works sound compelling, which is more than can be said for more
recent sets from Masur, Haitink etc.
Richard
El Klauso
after one
listen, Record Surplus had two copies again. Those awful, awful
brass!
EK: You missed a magnificent forest for your revulsion at a few
scraggly trees. Granted, the French Horns sound like they're made of
felt; and even at its best, the ensemble sounds rustic...
But the conductorial drive and rhetoric in those incredible, dramatic
recordings...Firebreathing, volcanic, sweeping, and gigantic. There's
nothing even vaguely in the same catagory - Unless we're talking about
other Golovanov performances, say his unfettered Borodin 2nd, or his
riveting "Boris."
P.S. Dean Dixon's and Scherchen's Liszt Tone Poems are considerably
better than most of the field.
Ray Hall
For much more compelling modern accounts of the tone poems then Halasz
on Naxos and especially Joo on Brilliant classics, are far better than
Haitink and Masur.
Ray Hall, Taree
weary flake
> JohnGavin <dag...@comcast.net> wrote in news:34a282ed-6377-4c36-8bbd-
> fabe89...@s9g2000vby.googlegroups.com:
>
> > For a more Paganiniesque rendition, I'd look up the out-of-print Andre
> > Watts recording.
>
> Do you mean the CBS/Columbia? (The EMI is still in print, after all.)
CBS/Columbia/Sony is the good one.
Matthew B. Tepper
@k13g2000vbq.googlegroups.com:
Where I found ugliness, some may have found beauty. That's just the way it
goes sometimes.
Steve Emerson
<4abdde70-93cd-4afb...@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 9:23 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> >
> > Sonata: Richter (Philips), Cortot, Sofronitsky, Annie Fischer, Berman,
> > Gilels (Orfeo), Schliessmann, and a few that escape me right now
(one of which was probably the Richter recording released by Palexa)
> > Transcendental Etudes: Berman (stereo studio recording ca. 1963 from
> > Melodiya), Ovchinikov, Arrau, Gekic, Richter's eight on Palexa
> >
> > Ann es: Fiorentino (just two books IIRC) and numerous excerpts by others
> >
> > Volume One of Fiorentino: Early Recordings (the Contemplative Liszt) on
> > APR
> >
> > Hungarian Rhapsodies: mid-'50s Cziffra
> >
> > Not exhaustive.
> It's interesting in the list for the sonatas you mention Cortot rather
> than Horowitz. They were released roughly at the same time and I think
> that didn't do Cortot any favours. For some reason Horowitz seems to
> have upstaged him, to have stolen the limelight.
>
> I quite like Horowitz and Cortot in this -- both the Horowitz
> recordings seem pretty good to me. Just not as good as Levy.
That might be. Re: Horowitz, this is one in a vast plethora of places
where he doesn't win me over.
Re: Levy, I like him a great deal, but I always think Richter is more
coherent. He holds the work together in a highly admirable way.
> It's nice to meet someone else who appreciates Schliessmann!
>
> BTW, you know that Liszt wrote a loud ending to the sonata, which he
> scratched out and replaced by the beautiful mysterious ending we all
> know and love? Someone put me on to a record which figures the
> original ending by Thomas Hitzlberger. It's not bad at all -- on a
> piano which Liszt used to play and which I think sounds ravishing. The
> problem is that the quiet mysterious ending is one of the most
> beautiful pieces of music ever written IMO -- the original ending is
> just fireworks.
I know about the alternate ending but haven't heard or looked at it....
> What do you think of Pletnev's Liszt? When the Melodyia CD came out in
> the 80s I was hooked -- I remember thinking that he made the sonata
> sound like a really modern piece of music. I also have the DG -- but I
> haven't played it/them in years.
I've always wanted to hear Pletnev's sonata, but I guess never enough to
go out and get it. Mostly that this is a work you always have more
recordings of than you want, since it's such a ubiquitous coupling.
Thanks for the reminder, it's probably time.
SE.
pianomaven
> El Klauso <ChasJKl...@aol.com> appears to have caused the following letters
> to be typed in news:463210f8-b87e-4626-ab5c-2f143e376b92
> @k13g2000vbq.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > MT: I got that one at Record Surplus, where they had two copies, and
> > after one listen, Record Surplus had two copies again. Those awful,
> > awful brass!
>
> > EK: You missed a magnificent forest for your revulsion at a few
> > scraggly trees. Granted, the French Horns sound like they're made of
> > felt; and even at its best, the ensemble sounds rustic...
>
> > But the conductorial drive and rhetoric in those incredible, dramatic
> > recordings...Firebreathing, volcanic, sweeping, and gigantic. There's
> > nothing even vaguely in the same catagory - Unless we're talking about
> > other Golovanov performances, say his unfettered Borodin 2nd, or his
> > riveting "Boris."
>
> > P.S. Dean Dixon's and Scherchen's Liszt Tone Poems are considerably
> > better than most of the field.
>
> Where I found ugliness, some may have found beauty. That's just the way it
> goes sometimes.
And you live in hope that some chick will come along and ignore your
ugliness.
Dream on.
TD
pianomaven
> In article
> <4abdde70-93cd-4afb-abb6-6d26b9351...@i17g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
There are two recordings of the sonata, if memory serves me correctly.
TD
Steve Emerson
<e731aa02-c4a7-4fc8...@g26g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
pianomaven <1pian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are two [Pletnev] recordings of the sonata, if memory serves me
> correctly.
It does, and Howard observes the same thing just a few lines up. The
Melodiya, from 1984 or so, is the one I've heard good things about. But
always interested in hearing additional thoughts.
SE.
Peter Lemken
> Thanks for the rapid and interested responses. I never expected such a
> high opinion of Brendel's Liszt -- I 've never heard it. I'll do
> something about that!
He made some late Liszt recordings for Philips some time in the 80s as a 4
LP box and there are some magnificaent recordings in there, such as the
Variations on "Weinen, Klagen, sorgen, Zagen) or Nuages Gris.
> Some of the things mentioned I know and can second - Gekic's TEs (has
> anyone heard his années with the Dante sonata?); Arrau's B minor
> sonata (I like the one in his Great Pianists), Gilels’s live one from
> Moscow (I think.)
It's hard to come by on CD, but if you can get it, you are urged to listen
to the October 1961 recital from Moscow. Not only is the Liszt sonata truly
outstanding, but also Schumann's Op. 11 sonata, which I consider to be the
best recording there is of this piece.
> Has anyone here got any favourite Hungarian Rhapsody recordings?
Horowitz in 6 and 15, but again Gilels in No. 9 truly owns this piece.
Peter Lemken
0711
--
Nature abhors crude hacks.
woytek
> MT: I got that one at Record Surplus, where they had two copies, and
> after one
> listen, Record Surplus had two copies again. Those awful, awful
> brass!
>
> EK: You missed a magnificent forest for your revulsion at a few
> scraggly trees. Granted, the French Horns sound like they're made of
> felt; and even at its best, the ensemble sounds rustic...
>
> But the conductorial drive and rhetoric in those incredible, dramatic
> recordings...Firebreathing, volcanic, sweeping, and gigantic. There's
> nothing even vaguely in the same catagory - Unless we're talking about
> other Golovanov performances, say his unfettered Borodin 2nd, or his
> riveting "Boris."
Absolutely agree! Golovanov was incredible conductor and Lisz
recordings are wonderful despite some brutality from the Moscow Radio
Orchestra. Complete poems are available on European Archives page:
http://www.europarchive.org/item.php?id=st-49360_BeG (Eurodisc LP's)
and in beautiful transfers on Neal's Historical Recordings blog
http://nealshistorical.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/nikolai-golovanov-liszt-symphonic-poems-195253-melodiya-recordings/
(Melodiya LP's). Give them a try!
David O.
(Peter Lemken) wrote:
>> Has anyone here got any favourite Hungarian Rhapsody recordings?
>
>Horowitz in 6 and 15, but again Gilels in No. 9 truly owns this piece.
I will seek out the Gilels.
Last summer, I bought the 7-CD box of Josef Bulva on Oreikon, & I fell
in love with the Liszt (& the Chopin & Scriabin).
M. A.
>
> mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Some of the things mentioned I know and can second - Gekic's TEs (has
> > anyone heard his années with the Dante sonata?); Arrau's B minor
> > sonata (I like the one in his Great Pianists), Gilels’s live one from
> > Moscow (I think.)
>
> It's hard to come by on CD, but if you can get it, you are urged to
> listen
> to the October 1961 recital from Moscow. Not only is the Liszt sonata
> truly
> outstanding, but also Schumann's Op. 11 sonata, which I consider to be
> the
> best recording there is of this piece.
Not to mention the Second Chopin Sonata, where a ringing telephone can be
heard somewhere during the Funeral March, IIRC.
M. A.
mandryka
>
> Gilels in No. 9 truly owns this piece.
>
> Peter Lemken
> 0711
> --
Thanks. Can you give me a link? I have him in 2 and 15 but I can't
find the 9.
mandryka
>
> It's hard to come by on CD, but if you can get it, you are urged to listen
> to the October 1961 recital from Moscow.
The 1961 recording I have is Le Chant du Monde LDC 278 977, which only
has the Chopin B minor sonata and the Liszt B minor. I can't see the
date of the concert -- the booklet just says a Moscow concert in
1961. It's a really wild performance at times, just before the those
extraordinary 9 chords which come in the final bit -- it's maybe the
most wild and free piano playing I've heard from Gilels. I would
like to hear the Op 11 sonata from the same night -- he was clearly in
a creative mood.
M. A.
Here it is on amazon.de ("The Art of Emil Gilels Vol. 2"):
http://www.amazon.de/dp/B000BS6YOC/
The entire series "The Art of Emil Gilels" is also available on
amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000IJ9DXI/
According to the Gilels discography on Doremi, the recital took place on
Oct. 10th, 1961. I suspect that the three Sonatas by Chopin, Schumann and
Liszt were the main program. However, the discography lists another four
smaller works, which I guess were the encores and have appeared on other
labels:
Bach/Siloti: Prelude b minor BWV 855a
Ravel: Alborada del gracioso from Miroirs
Stravinsky: Adagio from Apollon Musagete
Stravinsky: Danse russe from the Movements from Petrushka
Apparently, the Danse russe has not been published on CD. The remaining
three encores appear on the fifth Volume of the series, and the
Bach/Siloti and Ravel have also appeared in the GPOC series.
M. A.
Scott Graham
> It's his bicentenary this year.
>
> I'm looking forward to it. I've enjoyed Levy's Sonata and
> Sofronitsky's Dante Sonata recently. And some concert etudes too --
> Annie Fischer's Sospiro and Cziffra in Leggierezza.
>
> I wouldn't mind using the bicentenary as an excuse to build up my
> collection of Liszt recordings -- so any ideas about special
> recordings would be appreciated.
>
> But no fudge, thank you -- no third Liebestraeume, for example.
Some of the hardest recordings to find, but definitely rewarding are
the ones by Muza Rubackyte on the Lyrinx label. Actually, checking
her website she appears to be booked pretty solidly all year
performing Liszt. I hope some of those appearances turn up on radio
programs.
I would also recommend the Clifford Curzon Decca recording of the
Sonata and the Bernstein/Boston SO recording of the Faust Symphony.
pianomaven
I own the original Melodiya Lp set from this recital, which is why I
knew about those two short pieces. We obtained tge masters from Moscow
for those items, of course.
TD
mandryka
> Hungarian Rhapsodies: mid-'50s Cziffra
>
>
> SE.
There's a Hungarian Rhapsody on his Hungaraton Transcriptions CD which
is very good.
When you say Cziffra mid 50s do you mean the Hungaraton CD with some
Rhapsodies and TEs?
http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=225183
Or do you mean the ones on EMI? which may well be the same thing, of
course!
Steve Emerson
<ba4077e7-4f07-4928...@b25g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 9:23 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
>
> > Hungarian Rhapsodies: mid-'50s Cziffra
> >
>
> There's a Hungarian Rhapsody on his Hungaraton Transcriptions CD which
> is very good.
>
> When you say Cziffra mid 50s do you mean the Hungaraton CD with some
> Rhapsodies and TEs?
>
> http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=225183
>
> Or do you mean the ones on EMI? which may well be the same thing, of
> course!
You've got it, pretty much. It's 2, 6, 12, and 15 (as at your link),
recorded August 1956 at Hungaroton Studios (in mono) but also released
by EMI.
They're stunning. The sleeve of my 1950s Angel LP, which has only those
four works on it, notes, "The original tape of this recording was in the
possession of Gyorgy Cziffra when he escaped from Hungary in 1956. In
the physical ordeal of the trip the tape was slightly damaged, but...
same excitement... copy tapes... Paris... undiminished... irreplaceable
document."
I also have them in the 2001 EMI France 5-CD Cziffra Liszt pair of
boxes, where they appear in the midst of EMI recordings of the other
Rhapsodies. It's this (Amazon's date is off by a year):
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00005IA06/
SE.
James_scl
- Gérard Souzay & Dalton Baldwin (Ducretet Thomson LP,1957) - Claves
CD
Charles Milton Ling
> I would add that if any pianist was Liszt reincarnated, it would be
> Cziffra.
>
> I grew up with a recording of him playing the Fantasy& Fugue on BACH,
> La Legierezza and the Polonaise in E Major.
>
> It is perhaps the closest thing to definitive Liszt piano performance
> I've ever heard (even though definitive doesn't exist :)
AMEN.
Charley
Dufus
Fiorentino has great moments, as well.
mandryka
Yes Steve, I have them all now. Very very good -- the sort of music
making that makes you glad to be alive!
mandryka
Have you heard Pavarotti's singing Liszt songs on a Carnegie Hall
recital disc?
pianomaven
> I would add that if any pianist was Liszt reincarnated, it would be
> Cziffra.
>
> La Legierezza and the Polonaise in E Major.
>
> It is perhaps the closest thing to definitive Liszt piano performance
> I've ever heard (even though definitive doesn't exist :)
That was a Philips recital. It was licensed to EMI for inclusion in
their Cziffra box along with the Chopin Polonaises, Waltzes, and Pico
No.1.
Cziffra's sound in recital was quite small, John, something belied by
his recordings, which give a rather false idea of his playing.
Joan Sutherland's sound was also falsified by recordings. Her voice
was huge when heard in the hall.
Such anomalies in recording make one rather sceptical about recordings
in general. They are all we have in many cases, of course. But
Bjoerling was no Corelli. And Cziffra no Arrau.
TD
Bob Lombard
And Cziffra no Arrau.
>
For which we should all be grateful.
bl
JohnGavin
> On Jan 13, 8:25 pm, JohnGavin <dagd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I would add that if any pianist was Liszt reincarnated, it would be
> > Cziffra.
>
> > I grew up with a recording of him playing the Fantasy & Fugue on BACH,
> > La Legierezza and the Polonaise in E Major.
>
> > It is perhaps the closest thing to definitive Liszt piano performance
> > I've ever heard (even though definitive doesn't exist :)
>
> That was a Philips recital. It was licensed to EMI for inclusion in
> their Cziffra box along with the Chopin Polonaises, Waltzes, and Pico
> No.1.
>
> Cziffra's sound in recital was quite small, John, something belied by
> his recordings, which give a rather false idea of his playing.
>
>
> TD
Yes, but of course the equation can be reversed:
Arrau was no Cziffra
Here is the part where I could elaborate on the virtues that Cziffra
possessed that Arrau didn't, but instead of doing that I would like
you, Tom or any other posters to describe what those virtues might
be............
JohnGavin
>
> > I would add that if any pianist was Liszt reincarnated, it would be
> > Cziffra.
>
> > I grew up with a recording of him playing the Fantasy & Fugue on BACH,
> > La Legierezza and the Polonaise in E Major.
>
> > It is perhaps the closest thing to definitive Liszt piano performance
> > I've ever heard (even though definitive doesn't exist :)
>
> That was a Philips recital. It was licensed to EMI for inclusion in
> their Cziffra box along with the Chopin Polonaises, Waltzes, and Pico
> No.1.
>
> Cziffra's sound in recital was quite small, John, something belied by
> his recordings, which give a rather false idea of his playing.
>
Certainly for the pianists I've seen live - it always seemed to be the
case.
pianomaven
Cziffra's virtues?
Temperament, daring, a kind of wildness coupled with a fluent
technique.
The wildness was not always appropriate to all the music he played,
however.
He could be sensational in Mendelssohn, for example, more so than in
Chopin, where he lacked the special qualities required for this music.
TD
JohnGavin
The most moving, emotionally direct performance I've ever heard of the
hackneyed Polonaise in Ab came from Cziffra.
But otherwise, I agree with your description of Cziffra's virtues.
mandryka
There are times when he produces gentle, sensitive interpretations.
I’m thinking most of all of that Schumann Carnival de Vienne which
Cortot admired so much. Also some of the Beethoven recordings, like
that strange, very restrained, Waldstein on Ermitage.
bassppn
>
> - Show quoted text -
"falsified" in what way??? Dont forget pianists sound different in
different halls and different piaos......
AB
bassppn
>
> - Show quoted text -
yes...... those scales and arpeggios (and the octave section) are
sensational. Musically, not as convincing for me. Cherkassky has a
fascinating recording but of course not as exciting technically.
AB
Charles Milton Ling
> On Jan 13, 8:25 pm, JohnGavin<dagd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I would add that if any pianist was Liszt reincarnated, it would be
>> Cziffra.
>>
>> La Legierezza and the Polonaise in E Major.
>>
>> It is perhaps the closest thing to definitive Liszt piano performance
>> I've ever heard (even though definitive doesn't exist :)
>
> That was a Philips recital. It was licensed to EMI for inclusion in
> their Cziffra box along with the Chopin Polonaises, Waltzes, and Pico
> No.1.
>
> Cziffra's sound in recital was quite small, John, something belied by
> his recordings, which give a rather false idea of his playing.
>
> Joan Sutherland's sound was also falsified by recordings. Her voice
> was huge when heard in the hall.
>
> Such anomalies in recording make one rather sceptical about recordings
> in general. They are all we have in many cases, of course. But
> Bjoerling was no Corelli. And Cziffra no Arrau.
>
> TD
Cziffra was no Arrau, and Arrau no Cziffra. I had the good fortune to
hear both of them in recitals (without noticing Cziffra's small sound,
confessedly - I did hear him, I hasten to add), and think both of them
have given me much to cherish.
Charley
Charles Milton Ling
> On Jan 21, 11:16 am, JohnGavin<dagd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Jan 21, 5:44 am, pianomaven<1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 13, 8:25 pm, JohnGavin<dagd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> I would add that if any pianist was Liszt reincarnated, it would be
>>>> Cziffra.
>>
>>>> La Legierezza and the Polonaise in E Major.
>>
>>>> It is perhaps the closest thing to definitive Liszt piano performance
>>>> I've ever heard (even though definitive doesn't exist :)
>>
>>> That was a Philips recital. It was licensed to EMI for inclusion in
>>> their Cziffra box along with the Chopin Polonaises, Waltzes, and Pico
>>> No.1.
>>
>>> Cziffra's sound in recital was quite small, John, something belied by
>>> his recordings, which give a rather false idea of his playing.
>>
>> And Cziffra no Arrau.
>>
>>
>>
>>> TD
>>
>> Yes, but of course the equation can be reversed:
>>
>> Arrau was no Cziffra
>>
>> Here is the part where I could elaborate on the virtues that Cziffra
>> possessed that Arrau didn't, but instead of doing that I would like
>> you, Tom or any other posters to describe what those virtues might
>> be............
>
> Cziffra's virtues?
>
> Temperament, daring, a kind of wildness coupled with a fluent
> technique.
>
> The wildness was not always appropriate to all the music he played,
> however.
>
> He could be sensational in Mendelssohn, for example, more so than in
> Chopin, where he lacked the special qualities required for this music.
>
> TD
>
>
>
consider Cziffra's op. 25 no. 10-12 one of the greatest things ever
recorded.
Charley
Steve Emerson
<f79c89f8-2253-4dbf...@l24g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Cziffra's virtues?
> >
> > Temperament, daring, a kind of wildness coupled with a fluent
> > technique.
> >
> > The wildness was not always appropriate to all the music he played,
> > however.
> >
> > He could be sensational in Mendelssohn, for example, more so than in
> > Chopin, where he lacked the special qualities required for this music.
> >
> > TD
>
> The most moving, emotionally direct performance I've ever heard of the
> hackneyed Polonaise in Ab came from Cziffra.
More than Sofronitsky's?
> But otherwise, I agree with your description of Cziffra's virtues.
I think it's easy to overgeneralize about Cziffra's playing, and
especially his Chopin. The brash and often vulgar musician behind his
Chopin Etudes would be near-impossible to recognize in his Sonata #3
from the mid-1970s, which is almost understated and certainly refined,
or his Ballade #4 (one on Aura from 1969 and a studio recording whose
date I forget). His waltzes of 1977-78 (EMI) strike me as highly
idiomatic, and again, nobody would "confuse" this pianist with the one
who did the Etudes. The EMI waltzes btw are more interesting than the
set he did for Philips.
The playing in the Waldstein mentioned by Howard, otoh, does resemble
that in the Chopin sonata.
Also btw, "a fluent technique," to characterize Cziffra, is such an
understatement as to be humorous.
SE.
pianomaven
Have you heard Ignaz Friedmann's recording, which has just been issued
for the first time on Arbiter?
TD
pianomaven
> Also btw, "a fluent technique," to characterize Cziffra, is such an
> understatement as to be humorous.
Less humourous would be to say he had a halting technique, don't you
think?
I do recall Harris Goldsmith in High Fidelity reviewing his Schumann
LP on American Decca and claiming that Cziffra had stiff wrists and
that this was clearly audible in his playing.
TD
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Romy the Cat
> It's his bicentenary this year.
>
> I'm looking forward to it. I've enjoyed Levy's Sonata and
> Sofronitsky's Dante Sonata recently. And some concert etudes too --
> Annie Fischer's Sospiro and Cziffra in Leggierezza.
>
> I wouldn't mind using the bicentenary as an excuse to build up my
> collection of Liszt recordings -- so any ideas about special
> recordings would be appreciated.
>
> But no fudge, thank you -- no third Liebestraeume, for example.
Mandryka, I did not look over the thread, I am sure you was advised
many food Liszt interpinters. If you want however the special then let
me to pitch to you a little know name that did nothing short of
phenomenal Liszt. A young Gernan guy Rolf Plagge recorded on Tacet
“con bravura” Liszt album in a mid of 90s. If you can still fish it
somewhere then I promised that it will be VERY special. Do not repeat
my mistakes however. After hearing what Rolf Plagge did with Liszt I
bought everything he ever recorded. That was a waste. The “con
bravura” album is however one of the greatest Liszt committed to
recordings.
mandryka
Interesting - thanks.
mandryka
> More than Sofronitsky's?
> SE.
I think there are (at least) two VVS Op 53s. One from 1949 on Denon
and the other from 1947 on Arlecchino. The Arlecchino with the Op 45
we both appreciate.
I only have the Denon -- is that the one you are thinking of? Or is
the Arlecchino better, or are they much the same, or are they so
different you can't compare?
Someone should write a book on VVS -- like John Hunt's "Pianists for
the Connoisseur" book.
H.
SPAM- @xs4all.nl HvT
> Mandryka, I did not look over the thread, I am sure you was advised
> many food Liszt interpinters. If you want however the special then let
> me to pitch to you a little know name that did nothing short of
> phenomenal Liszt. A young Gernan guy Rolf Plagge recorded on Tacet
> �con bravura� Liszt album in a mid of 90s. If you can still fish it
> somewhere then I promised that it will be VERY special. Do not repeat
> my mistakes however. After hearing what Rolf Plagge did with Liszt I
> bought everything he ever recorded. That was a waste. The �con
> bravura� album is however one of the greatest Liszt committed to
> recordings.
Seconded! Plagge can surprise himself and the rest of the world - from time
to time.
Henk
Peter Lemken
> Mandryka, I did not look over the thread, I am sure you was advised
> many food Liszt interpinters. If you want however the special then let
> me to pitch to you a little know name that did nothing short of
> phenomenal Liszt. A young Gernan guy Rolf Plagge recorded on Tacet
> “con bravura” Liszt album in a mid of 90s. If you can still fish it
> somewhere then I promised that it will be VERY special. Do not repeat
> my mistakes however. After hearing what Rolf Plagge did with Liszt I
> bought everything he ever recorded. That was a waste. The “con
> bravura” album is however one of the greatest Liszt committed to
> recordings.
Rolf Plagge's Petrouchka is the best I've ever heard.
Peter Lemken
0711
--
Nature abhors crude hacks.
Roger Kulp
everyone.
Ervin Nyiregyhazi I just found the 1974 IPA Lp shown here
http://www.michaelsayers.com/ervinnyiregyhaziimagegallery.html (1st
row,second box.),today at the flea market.I see it was reissued on CD
by Music and Arts as part of a set.
Considering Nyiergyhazi was a toast of Europe in the teens and
twenties,it seems kind of odd to me that he didn't at least cut a 78
or two at the time.
Ernset Levy,the Liszt I have on the original Unicorn.
Poldi Mildner,who I discovered through finding some early Telefunken
Lps on eBay.
Van Cliburn,especially his concert/live recordings like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMYHgQpKSE
,one of my favorite Liszt performances,or recordings by ANYBODY.
I consider myself very lucky about four years ago on eBay,to have
found this very concert on an early 60s Melodiya "torch label" set.
Oh yeah,another vote for Richter.
Roger
Steve Emerson
<3b255aa5-379a-40c6...@f2g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 8:00 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > More than Sofronitsky's? [Chopin Heroic polonaise]
> >
> >
> > SE.
>
>
> I think there are (at least) two VVS Op 53s. One from 1949 on Denon
> and the other from 1947 on Arlecchino. The Arlecchino with the Op 46
> we both appreciate.
Op 45, I think?
> I only have the Denon -- is that the one you are thinking of? Or is
> the Arlecchino better, or are they much the same, or are they so
> different you can't compare?
Don't remember which it is I prefer. I have the following:
1. Arlecchino Vol. X (6:37). (Is this really 1947? Arl. gives no date.)
2. Sofronitzky Live in Russia, the notorious (but in good sound)
limited-edition Italian release on "Originals." 7:10. It has been said
that this is from 11/21/49.
3. Denon Vol. 2 (first of two discs in this volume, which is called
Chopin Recitals). 7:28 with a lot of applause at end. Don't know date. I
actually think this is different from Item 2. The playing seems a little
less choppy in Item 2, the sound is different, and the music runs about
3 seconds shorter; none of which is definitive.
Is this the Denon that you have?
> Someone should write a book on VVS -- like John Hunt's "Pianists for
> the Connoisseur" book.
A book would be great, provided the information exists. He didn't much
like talking about his playing.
SE.
Romy the Cat
Yes, Rolf Plagge is a German version of Russian Lazar Berman. Berman
recorded a few albums of Liszt one year, the phenomenal records, but
never before or after was able to approach that level.
Rgs, Romy the Cat
Charles Milton Ling
Goldsmith from civilized discourse.
--
Charles Milton Ling
Vienna, Austria
mandryka
>
> Ervin Nyiregyhazi
He's intriguing. Did anyone here hear him when he was dry? I mean, did
anyone hear him play in the period before his revival in California.
There's a lot of stuff on youtube, including a Dante Sonata (which is
a piece of music which interests me, mainly because of Sofronitsky' s
record ) On the CD I like very much his St Francis walking on the
water. But most of all I like the Grieg.
I know that one short piece by Grieg isn't enough to justify all the
hyperbole --- but I think it is rather remarkable. He also recorded
some Schubert/Liszt songs (not the Wanderer) in his San Francisco
revival days -- has anyone got them? I would like to hear them.
Mention of Schubert/Liszt makes me think of the transcriptions. Years
since I have heard it, but Gould's recording of the transcription of
Beethoven 6 used to be a real favourite of mine.
On Jan 24, 1:09 am, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article
> <3b255aa5-379a-40c6-9922-f0e8f412e...@f2g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> Is this the Denon that you have?
Yes
pianomaven
That would be a pity, the vagueness of your sense to the contrary
notwithstanding. Not only was Harris Goldsmith a fine pianist - you
can hear him on records - but also a very fine ear. His disquisitions
on the Beethoven sonatas on record still stands today as one of the
best detailed surveys of Beethoven in print (Wyeth Press). I have to
say that I learned his prejudices over the years, but I would put him
head and shoulders above Harold C Schoenberg, Joachim Kaiser, or Bryce
Morrison, for example, as a critic of pianists and pianism in general.
TD
Charles Milton Ling
For what it's worth, Kaiser hated Cziffra with a passion.
Greetings to all,
Charley
bassppn
>
> - Show quoted text -
BTW- unlike ignorant you, he has very nice things to say about
Volodos:-)
AB
pianomaven
Everyone makes mistakes. Perhaps he admires the mechanism? Certainly
not the brains.
TD
pianomaven
We all have our personal "betes noirs".
TD
mandryka
let me have? Or a link to a recording?
Thanks
mandryka
laraine
> mandryka wrote:
> > Thanks for the rapid and interested responses. I never expected such a
> > high opinion of Brendel's Liszt -- I 've never heard it. I'll do
> > something about that!
>
> > Neither have I heard any Nojima -- I'll check it out.
>
> > Are you fed up of Levy, Matthew? Is that why you're selling? You have
> > to keep the Appassionata just for the final movement.
>
> > Some of the things mentioned I know and can second - Gekic's TEs (has
> > anyone heard his ann es with the Dante sonata?); Arrau's B minor
> > sonata (I like the one in his Great Pianists), Gilels s live one from
> > Moscow (I think.)
>
> > Has anyone here got any favourite Hungarian Rhapsody recordings? I was
> > bowled over when I heard Busoni's record, but everything else after
> > that seems disappointing. No one makes me happy past the half way
> > point in the second -- when it turns into loony tunes. Not even
> > Moiseiewitsch.
>
> > Maybe it's the music -- but that Busoni record is really quite
> > special.
>
> Cziffra. Szidon.
>
> btw, what's wrong with Loony Tunes?
>
> bl
Has everyone seen the actual Tom & Jerry
Liszt HR 2 (Cat Concerto) that is alluded to...
Guess it qualifies as a Liszt recording of sorts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWGQaczNL5I
C.
Matthew B. Tepper
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While it is by no means a "classic," the piano duel between Donald Duck and
Daffy Duck in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" (note absence of punctuation) is of
at least some interest, at least to us anatidaphiles.
--
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Kip Williams
> Has everyone seen the actual Tom& Jerry
> Liszt HR 2 (Cat Concerto) that is alluded to...
> Guess it qualifies as a Liszt recording of sorts:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWGQaczNL5I
A popular piece for cartoon characters. Bugs Bunny had a go at it in
RHAPSODY RABBIT, and so did Woody Woodpecker, though I'm blanking on the
title of the cartoon it was in. Each of these was a performance cartoon,
where the whole cartoon was devoted to the music and the characters were
'performing' it.
I've written elsewhere on the quality of piano faking by various
animated cartoon characters. Without searching my printed output for it,
I think I gave highest marks to Popeye in THE SPINACH OVERTURE, where
he's playing two versions of "Poet and Peasant" — one with a horrible,
apathetic, out-of-tune ensemble, and one in a more modern idiom, after
he's hopped up on spinach. The animators, at any rate, seemed to care
where his hands were, and whether they moved up when the music went
higher, moved down when the music went lower, or stayed in the same
place on repeated notes. (YEAH, I'm lookin' at YOU, Freleng!)
Kip W
MELMOTH
13/01/2011, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes mais un peu sales tout
de mï¿œme, et dans le message
<55006ad2-ee63-4370...@j1g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, les
doux mï¿œlismes suivants :
> I'm looking forward to it. I've enjoyed Levy's Sonata and
> Sofronitsky's Dante Sonata recently. And some concert etudes too --
> Annie Fischer's Sospiro and Cziffra in Leggierezza.
And Leslie Howard/Hyperion complete collection ! (99 CDs - # 200 ￜ)...
--
Car avec beaucoup de science, il y a beaucoup de chagrin ; et celui qui
accroï¿œt sa science accroï¿œt sa douleur.
[Ecclï¿œsiaste, 1-18]
MELMOTH - souffrant
O
<k...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I've written elsewhere on the quality of piano faking by various
> animated cartoon characters. Without searching my printed output for it,
> I think I gave highest marks to Popeye in THE SPINACH OVERTURE, where
> he's playing two versions of "Poet and Peasant" — one with a horrible,
> apathetic, out-of-tune ensemble, and one in a more modern idiom, after
> he's hopped up on spinach. The animators, at any rate, seemed to care
> where his hands were, and whether they moved up when the music went
> higher, moved down when the music went lower, or stayed in the same
> place on repeated notes. (YEAH, I'm lookin' at YOU, Freleng!)
Yes, the playing is accompanied by Popeye's scat singing, and corncob
pipe obbligato. I have it on my iPod.
-Owen
P.S. For those of you with Macs who like this sort of thing, the
program "Audio Hijack Pro" will make a playable sound file out of any
sound you can get on your mac, including those from DVDs.
-O
mandryka
quite like Katasris in Beethoven 4.
My feeling is that it takes a great pianist on a good night to make
these pieces work.
Has anyone here tried Symphonie fantastique (S470)? I see four
recordings listed at ArkivMusik --Idil Biret, Todd Crow, William
Hicks and Leslie Howard.
Kip Williams
> I like the way Gould plays Beethoven 6 -- less so Beethoven 4. I also
> quite like Katasris in Beethoven 4.
Did your finger slip? I have Gould in the fifth and sixth, but if he's
recorded another one, I'll look for it. Gould's Fifth was the first
symphony I ever heard on the piano, and I've imprinted on it enough that
it's hard for me to be objective about it. After hearing Gould and
Katsaris both do the Pastorale, I tend to go to the Gould with its
disarmingly spacious plan. Katsaris is quite good in a more traditional
way, and he puts back notes he feels Liszt left out.
> My feeling is that it takes a great pianist on a good night to make
> these pieces work.
>
> Has anyone here tried Symphonie fantastique (S470)? I see four
> recordings listed at ArkivMusik --Idil Biret, Todd Crow, William
> Hicks and Leslie Howard.
I've heard several versions of the Symphonie. Since CDs are easier to
rip to mp3, it's the Howard that I hear most often. There's also Liszt's
setting of Harold in Italy for viola and piano, for dessert.
One of my other favorite big Liszt transcriptions of his Hummel septet,
which is almost a piano concerto in the original. Again, it's Howard I
listen to. I'm not even sure anyone else has recorded it, and I've never
run across the sheet music. Apparently, Liszt edited the septet version
(and a quintet version), putting in solo versions of passages for when
"the accompanists" aren't available, and it takes close reading to get
the entire solo part out of it, but it can be done.
Kip W
(My newsreader says this message failed to post, and a couple of
refreshes and visits to the group seem to bear that out. I'll repost it
now, and that's why there will be seven copies next time I come in.]
mandryka
Yes -- finger slipped.
Thanks for the reply -- I'll listen to the Howard Berlioz/Liszt and
Hummel/Liszt.
Liszt is fun!
Gerard
> (My newsreader says this message failed to post, and a couple of
> refreshes and visits to the group seem to bear that out. I'll repost
> it now, and that's why there will be seven copies next time I come
> in.]
There's a workaround: don't come in again ;-)
But maybe your newsreader was right. I don't see other copies (yet).