Julia Cload

Frank Berger

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Jan 17, 2022, 5:37:52 PM1/17/22

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I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload Haydn Sonatas from Meridian. There appears to be no documentation of when these were recorded, and I suspect Meridian will not provide the information (I've asked them about other recordings and they've not been cooperative). I've searched the Web and come up empty. So if anyone knows, I would appreciate the information. TIA.

Dan Koren

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Jan 17, 2022, 11:02:32 PM1/17/22

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On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>
> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.

Why didn't you order Derzhavina?

dk

Frank Berger

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Jan 18, 2022, 9:28:33 AM1/18/22

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When did you stop beating your wife?

Dan Koren

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Jan 18, 2022, 2:43:57 PM1/18/22

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On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:28:33 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 1/17/2022 11:02 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> >>
> >> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
> >> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.
> >
> > Why didn't you order Derzhavina?
>

> When did you stop beating your wife?

After hearing Derzhavina....

dk

Frank Berger

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Jan 18, 2022, 3:18:19 PM1/18/22

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Timofeyeva is the set I want. I know they are on YouTube.

Dan Koren

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Jan 18, 2022, 3:42:00 PM1/18/22

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On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:18:19 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>
> Timofeyeva is the set I want.
> I know they are on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQdSUYrXuAg
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yCFP79P7Gg

Also Derzhavina:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrdUrBgKWpI&list=PLr0MsaDpKsY-Yirmc3joRopd8y05sUrnk

They are both terrific, however
Derzhavina includes additional
works, and has the advantage
of not being all in a single file.

Use youtube-dl to download. It
can handle playlists.

https://youtube-dl.org/

dk

Frank Berger

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Jan 18, 2022, 4:22:35 PM1/18/22

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At this is state in my life, I don't think I want to deal with command line executables with zillions of options.

For what I spend on CDs I could probably hire an IT guy. Just kidding. Maybe,

I am perfectly happy to buy the Derzhavina CDs, should I decide I want them.

There was a Venezia CD box of Timofeyeva's complete Haydn sonatas, but I've never seen one offered for sale.

I dislike downloading, but occasionally do. Usually then I burn to CD. Stupid, I know.

Dan Koren

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Jan 18, 2022, 4:42:36 PM1/18/22

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On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 1:22:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 1/18/2022 3:41 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >
> > Use youtube-dl to download. It
> > can handle playlists.
> >
> > https://youtube-dl.org/
>

> At this is state in my life, I don't think I
> want to deal with command line executables

> with zillions of options. I dislike downloading,

> but occasionally do. Usually then I burn to CD.

If you don't like to deal with command
line utilities the 4k YouTube downloader
is for you: https://www.4kdownload.com.

It downloads both video and audio, and
can extract audio in multiple formats
from videos. This is what I use. There
is also a sibling MP3 downloader:

https://www.4kdownload.com/downloads#videodownloader
https://www.4kdownload.com/downloads#youtubetomp3

BTW the smart thing to do with multiple
CD sets is to burn them to single DVDs
or BDs. It saves space! ;-)

No need to hire IT guys. ;-)

dk

Ricardo Jimenez

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Jan 18, 2022, 4:44:32 PM1/18/22

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I was able to get the complete Timofeyeva set from Japan a number of
years ago. There are 9 individual Haydn sonata discs by Bavouzet on
Spotify. Does anybody know offhand if that is a complete set? I
tossed the Cload discs I had, not competitive IMHO.

Dan Koren

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Jan 18, 2022, 4:49:05 PM1/18/22

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Isn't she a fine English pianist?
Oy vey!

dk

Frank Berger

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Jan 18, 2022, 6:41:04 PM1/18/22

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How much do I owe you?

Frank Berger

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Jan 18, 2022, 6:41:45 PM1/18/22

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On 1/18/2022 4:44 PM, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 15:18:10 -0500, Frank Berger
> <frankd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/18/2022 2:43 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:28:33 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>> On 1/17/2022 11:02 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've ordered 4 volumes of Julia Cload
>>>>>> Haydn Sonatas from Meridian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't you order Derzhavina?
>>>>
>>>> When did you stop beating your wife?
>>>
>>> After hearing Derzhavina....
>>>
>>> dk
>>
>> Timofeyeva is the set I want. I know they are on YouTube.
>
> I was able to get the complete Timofeyeva set from Japan a number of
> years ago.

Key phrase: "A couple of years ago."

Dan Koren

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Jan 19, 2022, 12:45:40 AM1/19/22

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> How much do I owe you?

Nothing. I am not an IT guy!

dk

AB

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Jan 19, 2022, 1:57:16 PM1/19/22

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Derz. sounds a lot better more musical, better piano

AB

Owen

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Jan 19, 2022, 2:34:11 PM1/19/22

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Best Newsgroup Response for 2022 so far!

-Owen

Dan Koren

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Jan 19, 2022, 2:41:57 PM1/19/22

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On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
>
> There are 9 individual Haydn sonata
> discs by Bavouzet on Spotify. Does
> anybody know offhand if that is a
> complete set?

I haven't checked. Note however that
Derzhavina's set of Haydn's complete
piano works fits on 9 CDs, so it is quite
likely Bavouzet's 9 CDs set includes all
the sonatas, if nothing more than that.

dk

Ricardo Jimenez

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Jan 19, 2022, 7:50:08 PM1/19/22

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The 9 disc Derzhavina set has 5 short non sonata works to fill out
disc 9. She also came out with a 2019 two disc set of Haydn,
Variations & Pieces. All excellent but I think Bavouzet is at least
as good. Only extra on Bavouzet is the piccolo divertimento in F
minor on disc 4.

Dan Koren

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Jan 19, 2022, 8:03:58 PM1/19/22

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On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 7:50:08 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
>
> I think Bavouzet is at least as good.

Not even close. Randomly picking Sonata no. 35,
here's Bavouzet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJau1L0OaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u_fP7-Rj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oUYz43igg

And here's Derzhavina:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNvZhTVc5Bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmLn0TyNmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=betkrYbVroQ

They are not even from the same planet!

dk

Frank Berger

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Jan 19, 2022, 8:13:08 PM1/19/22

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And the Bavouzet set will cost over 3 times the Derzhavina!

Ricardo Jimenez

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Jan 19, 2022, 8:29:09 PM1/19/22

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Not for those of us who listen to both sets on Spotify. Except for
Hyperion and sone really rare stuff on Broinc, I have stopped buying
CDs. I need the room for my DVDs/Blu-rays.

Dan Koren

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Jan 19, 2022, 8:39:25 PM1/19/22

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> And the Bavouzet set will cost over 3 times

> Derzhavina!

French luxury!

It doesn't take more than a few minutes for
anyone with a reasonable understanding of
piano playing to recognize Bavouzet is not
"competitive".

dk

HT

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Jan 20, 2022, 4:12:12 AM1/20/22

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Op donderdag 20 januari 2022 om 01:50:08 UTC+1 schreef Ricardo Jimenez:

Seconded. I like Derzhavina in the Russian repertoire but prefer Bavouzet's Haydn.

Henk

Dan Koren

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Jan 20, 2022, 4:14:28 AM1/20/22

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On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 4:12:12 AM UTC-5, hvt...@xs4all.nl wrote:
> Op donderdag 20 januari 2022 om 01:50:08 UTC+1 schreef Ricardo Jimenez:
> > On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 11:41:54 -0800 (PST), Dan Koren
> > <dan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-5, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> > >>
> > >> There are 9 individual Haydn sonata
> > >> discs by Bavouzet on Spotify. Does
> > >> anybody know offhand if that is a
> > >> complete set?
> > >
> > >I haven't checked. Note however that
> > >Derzhavina's set of Haydn's complete
> > >piano works fits on 9 CDs, so it is quite
> > >likely Bavouzet's 9 CDs set includes all
> > >the sonatas, if nothing more than that.
> >

> > The 9 disc Derzhavina set has 5 short
> > non sonata works to fill out disc 9. She
> > also came out with a 2019 two disc set
> > of Haydn, Variations & Pieces. All excellent
> > but I think Bavouzet is at least as good.
> > Only extra on Bavouzet is the piccolo
> > divertimento in F minor on disc 4.
>
> Seconded. I like Derzhavina in the Russian
> repertoire but prefer Bavouzet's Haydn.
>

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

dk

Ricardo Jimenez

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Jan 20, 2022, 9:53:39 AM1/20/22

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On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 01:14:25 -0800 (PST), Dan Koren

Dan picked an example where Deszhavina made the music more quirky and
interesting. I don't spend time making individual comparisons. If a
set as a whole is enjoyable, I recommend it. I own more Haydn piano
sonata recordings than any other piano works,Timofeyeva, Hamelin, Ax,
Reisenberg, etc and enjoy them all. But I found Cloud uniformly dull
and acted accordingly. I never pass up an opportunity to listen to
new versions on Spotify but trying to decide who is better in any
particular sonata is not for me.

Dan Koren

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Jan 20, 2022, 3:21:41 PM1/20/22

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> Dan picked an example where Deszhavina
> made the music more quirky and interesting.

No, she didn't. THAT IS THE MUSIC !!!!!

> I don't spend time making individual comparisons.

One's ears do it automatically, regardless
of what one thinks one might be doing or
not.

> If a set as a whole is enjoyable, I recommend it.

Returning to LTMSFI? One had thought that
cancer had been overcome and eliminated!

> I own more Haydn piano sonata recordings
> than any other piano works,

Quantity over quality?

> Timofeyeva, Hamelin, Ax, Reisenberg,
> etc and enjoy them all.

Just give them the Ax!

> But I found Cloud uniformly dull and
> acted accordingly. I never pass up an
> opportunity to listen to new versions
> on Spotify but trying to decide who is
> better in any particular sonata is not
> for me.

And your ears don't notice differences
in interpretation unless you listen with
a manifest purpose?

dk