New Ristenpart re-issues of Bach
jan...@yahoo.com
orchestral works, released on Accord. It is an amazing collection of
performances including the long-out-of-print Brandenburg Concertos
(originally released on Nonesuch in the U.S. in the 60's) and an
orchestration of The Art of Fugue.
So far I have only seen it available at www.fnac.fr
However, I have experienced a couple flaws (on disc 1 so far). The
music seems to skip in a digital cd-skipping kind of way but the timing
count moves along smoothly and correctly. It does this on all my cd
players, which tells me the flaw is in the mastering not the printing.
Has anyone else experienced any problems with these discs?
Thanks,
Jan
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Before you buy.
Hou Fang-Lin
(US150.00), I can rather do without it.
<jan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:8v6qoe$2v3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Hou Fang-Lin
set only sells for 169FF at fnac. Good price and should be worth a try.
F-L
"Hou Fang-Lin" <fh...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote in message
news:ALCR5.256$x3.3774@uchinews...
janha...@my-deja.com
around $35.
I've listened to some of the other cd's and they sound great. The
brief skipping only appears on disc 1 so far and even then only in a
couple places.
Jan
In article <0RCR5.257$x3.3783@uchinews>,
David7Gable
-david gable
rkha...@adnc.com
jan...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I just got the new 6-cd set of Karl Ristenpart's recordings of Bach
> orchestral works, released on Accord. It is an amazing collection of
> performances including the long-out-of-print Brandenburg Concertos
> (originally released on Nonesuch in the U.S. in the 60's) and an
> orchestration of The Art of Fugue.
Can you please tell us which Art of the Fugue is included here.
Ristenpart recorded the work twice. I have been looking for his last
recording (orchestrated by Pascal & Bitsch) for years. His earlier
recording (orch. by Winschermann) was released on a Japanese Erato 2-CD
set.
Ramon Khalona
jan...@yahoo.com
Jan Hanford
J.S. Bach Home Page
htt://www.jsbach.org
In article <8vbq7l$ngr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
rkha...@adnc.com
It sure is. The trombones at the beginning of the last fugue always give
me goose bumps. Many thanks for your reply.
I ordered the set from FNAC (about 31 euros shipped to the U.S.)
I now wait in panting mode.
David Gideon
Brandenburgs and the Art of Fugue??
dg
CD issues of long-unavailable classic performances from Scherchen, Stokowski,
Steinberg, and more, exclusively at:
http://members.aol.com/rediscclassics
Tony Movshon
> I just got the new 6-cd set of Karl Ristenpart's recordings of Bach
> orchestral works, released on Accord. It is an amazing collection of
> performances including the long-out-of-print Brandenburg Concertos
> (originally released on Nonesuch in the U.S. in the 60's) and an
> orchestration of The Art of Fugue.
Are the concertos for multiple harpsichords included?
--
Tony Movshon mov...@nyu.edu
jan...@yahoo.com
http://www.jsbach.org/worksorchestra.html
Jan Hanford
J.S Bach Home Page
http://www.jsbach.org/
In article <20001120182908...@ng-md1.aol.com>,
jan...@yahoo.com
Let me know if you have the digital glitch. It's on disc 1, track 7 at
around 3:05. I figure there's no point in returning the disc if it's a
problem with the master, not the pressing (besides, it would have to go
all the way back to France). It's only a minor distraction in an
otherwise amazing recording.
I also wanted to mention the Concerto for 3 Violins has an amazing
cadenza in the 3rd movement, which does not appear in any other
performance of the various reconstructions of this concerto. I assume
it was written/improvised by the performers and it is really unique and
wonderful.
Regards,
Jan Hanford
J.S. Bach Home Page
http://www.jsbach.org/
In article <8vcd83$8s7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
rkha...@adnc.com wrote:
> In article <8vcblb$7f2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> jan...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > It is the one by Pascal & Bitsch. It's beautiful.
>
> It sure is. The trombones at the beginning of the last fugue always
give
> me goose bumps. Many thanks for your reply.
> I ordered the set from FNAC (about 31 euros shipped to the U.S.)
> I now wait in panting mode.
>
> Ramon Khalona
>
David Gideon
jan...@yahoo.com
John Thomas
Alapage lists this at the equivalent of $136.54 USD for 6 mono CDs.
Is this pricey or what?
--
Regards,
John Thomas
Tony Movshon
> Please see my earlier post with the url to the info.
Sorry, I had missed that one.
--
Tony Movshon mov...@nyu.edu
Marc Perman
> Alapage lists this at the equivalent of $136.54 USD for 6 mono CDs.
>Is this pricey or what?
Perhaps Alapage is charging extra for mono - IIRC the recordings are
mid-1960s stereo.
Marc Perman
Bob Lombard
news:3A19EFF6...@nyu.edu...
> jan...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > I just got the new 6-cd set of Karl Ristenpart's recordings of Bach
> > orchestral works, released on Accord. It is an amazing collection of
> > performances including the long-out-of-print Brandenburg Concertos
> > (originally released on Nonesuch in the U.S. in the 60's) and an
> > orchestration of The Art of Fugue.
>
> Are the concertos for multiple harpsichords included?
> --
> Tony Movshon mov...@nyu.edu
Are you trying to scare people off? 'Multiple harpsichords' - brrr.
bl
Tony Movshon
>
For some obscure reason, the sound of a gaggle of harpsichords together
is far more pleasing to my ear than the sound of one alone. Ristenpart's
Nonesuch LP of these concertos was one of my favorite disks, and has not
been on CD in an "official" transfer (pace David Gideon, who did a good
job of issuing a disk made, unfortunately, from a boxy-sounding open-reel
tape).
--
Tony Movshon
mov...@nyu.edu
Hou Fang-Lin
"John Thomas" <jwt...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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jan...@yahoo.com
since Fnac has it at a very low price.
Jan
In article <jwthom-A871DC....@news.earthlink.net>,
John Thomas
<fh...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
> See fnac for its accurate price.
>
> "John Thomas" <jwt...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > Alapage lists this at the equivalent of $136.54 USD for 6 mono CDs.
> > Is this pricey or what?
Thanks, Fang-lin. I've found fnac more difficult than alapage to
navigate and given up on it. I'll try again!
--
Regards,
John Thomas
John Thomas
wrote:
> John Thomas <jwt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Alapage lists this at the equivalent of $136.54 USD for 6 mono CDs.
> >Is this pricey or what?
>
> Perhaps Alapage is charging extra for mono - IIRC the recordings are
> mid-1960s stereo.
>
> Marc Perman
My mistake! So is it worth $136.54 in stereo
--
Regards,
John Thomas
rkha...@adnc.com
jan...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Great, I hope you enjoy it!
>
> Let me know if you have the digital glitch. It's on disc 1, track 7
at
> around 3:05. I figure there's no point in returning the disc if it's
a
> problem with the master, not the pressing (besides, it would have to
go
> all the way back to France). It's only a minor distraction in an
> otherwise amazing recording.
I see that this glitch is on the Art of the Fugue. In the past, I have
been able to correct some of these glitches by copying the disc to a CDR
on my computer. I will definitely let you know if I have the same
problem. I happen to have two LP sets of this recording since I was
planning to transfer it to CD myself (given how long I have waited for
this reissue). In the worst case I can try to replace the offending
track with the best sounding track from my two LP copies.
Some of the harpsichord concertos were issued on CD by David Gideon and
company in very good sound. There are also additional concerti that
were released with Ristenpart's other recording of the AoF (on Japanese
Erato 2-CD set). I now have to compile a list of what is missing since
I believe I have all of his Bach recordings on Nonesuch LPs. I hope his
recordings of the Cantatas are also reissued (some of these were
available briefly on Accord, but they are now OOP), as Jacob Staempfli's
singing is one of the best I've heard in this music.
Thanks again for all the info.
Matthew Silverstein
> For some obscure reason, the sound of a gaggle of harpsichords [snip]
I always thought harpsichords moved in pods . . .
Matty
David Gideon
their back catalog of recordings from the Club Franciases du Disques (the
source for these Ristenparts, and others such as Argenta, Wand, Fourestier, and
others). Apparently there is to be a series of releases from these sources
starting in mid-2001.
rkha...@adnc.com
rediscc...@aol.com (David Gideon) wrote:
> I have been informed by Accord that they are in the process of
auditioning
> their back catalog of recordings from the Club Franciases du Disques
(the
> source for these Ristenparts, and others such as Argenta, Wand,
Fourestier, and
> others). Apparently there is to be a series of releases from these
sources
> starting in mid-2001.
Oh, this is potentially great news as there are many jewels in the
Nonesuch catalog that came from that French source (including the
missing Ristenpart Bach cantatas, Mozart, Haydn and Schubert works,
Wand's late Mozart symphonies and Beethoven Missa Solemnis, etc.)
Please let us know as soon as you know what will actually be released.
Many thanks for the news.
Tony Movshon
> I hope his
> recordings of the Cantatas are also reissued (some of these were
> available briefly on Accord, but they are now OOP), as Jacob Staempfli's
> singing is one of the best I've heard in this music.
fnac still lists a couple of these.
--
Tony Movshon mov...@nyu.edu
rkha...@adnc.com
mov...@nyu.edu wrote:
> rkha...@adnc.com wrote:
> > I hope his
> > recordings of the Cantatas are also reissued (some of these were
> > available briefly on Accord, but they are now OOP), as Jacob
Staempfli's
> > singing is one of the best I've heard in this music.
>
> fnac still lists a couple of these.
I ordered these from them and got a message that they are no longer
available. The funny thing is that I ordered these two discs from Tower
and after receiving them I found them to be unplayable (they had severe
damage to the playing surfaces).
RK
David Gideon
Nonesuch catalog that came from that French source >>
It wasn't only Nonesuch: also Vanguard (Mozart from Wand), Omega (Argenta's
Schubert), and Counterpoint/Esoteric (Mozart and some exceptional Bartok again
from Wand).
John Thomas
While searching for the new Ristenpart box I came across several
listings of these cantatas still available -at Amazon (US), Borders or
German Music Express as well as Fnac, or perhaps at all.
--
Regards,
John Thomas
David R L Porter
from Tony Movshon <mov...@nyu.edu> contains these words:
> Bob Lombard wrote:
> > "Tony Movshon" <mov...@nyu.edu> wrote in message
> > > Are the concertos for multiple harpsichords included?
> >
> > Are you trying to scare people off? 'Multiple harpsichords' - brrr.
> For some obscure reason, the sound of a gaggle of harpsichords together
> is far more pleasing to my ear than the sound of one alone. Ristenpart's
> Nonesuch LP of these concertos was one of my favorite disks, and has not
> been on CD in an "official" transfer (pace David Gideon, who did a good
> job of issuing a disk made, unfortunately, from a boxy-sounding open-reel
> tape).
It's very good news that the old Nonesuch recordings are available
again. I used to have a Decca recording of several multiple Bach
concertos (1 each of the 2, 3, and 4 hpschd concertos AFIR) and I
really didn't like the recording -- was it Beecham who described the
harpsichord as 'a birdcage possessed by demons'? certainly so on that
LP -- and I got rid of it as quickly as I could. I later bought the
LP box of concertos from the DGG green-box set of Bach boxes, and I
enjoyed the Richter recordings in that set so much that I was content
with them for years and still like them. But when our kids were small
I invested in a high-quality tape player and got rid of quite a few
LPs (too susceptible to small fingers), most of which I wish I
hadn't; one was a Nonesuch LP I'd acquired of several of the
Ristenpaart multiples. What makes me even more cross is that because
I had the Richters, I didn't even bother making an illegal tape of
the Ristenpaarts :(((
I can still remember the sound of that record and even the gorgeous
Nonesuch artwork on the cover. I'm off to buy the new set A.S.A.P. --
thanks for advertising it!
--
Best wishes,
Rodger Whitlock
> In article <20001121130543...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
> rediscc...@aol.com (David Gideon) wrote:
> > I have been informed by Accord that they are in the process of
> auditioning
> > their back catalog of recordings from the Club Franciases du Disques
> (the
> > source for these Ristenparts, and others such as Argenta, Wand,
> Fourestier, and
> > others). Apparently there is to be a series of releases from these
> sources
> > starting in mid-2001.
>
> Oh, this is potentially great news as there are many jewels in the
> Nonesuch catalog that came from that French source (including the
> missing Ristenpart Bach cantatas, Mozart, Haydn and Schubert works,
> Wand's late Mozart symphonies and Beethoven Missa Solemnis, etc.)
> Please let us know as soon as you know what will actually be released.
Let me remind loyal Ristenpart enthusiasts that the CFduD by no
means had a monopoly on his recordings, no more than did Nonesuch
in the US. There were also R. recordings on "Counterpoint
Esoteric" and in Canada there were a number on the Musidisc
label. Possibly the latter were merely another face of CFduD.
--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Rodger Whitlock
<jwt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I've found fnac more difficult than alapage to
> navigate and given up on it. I'll try again!
Make sure you turn on full cookies. The FNAC site seems to be
addicted to them, even if you are just browsing. But they all
seem to go back only to domains under fnac.fr.
Marc Perman
>> John Thomas <jwt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Alapage lists this at the equivalent of $136.54 USD for 6 mono CDs.
>> >Is this pricey or what?
>>
>> Perhaps Alapage is charging extra for mono - IIRC the recordings are
>> mid-1960s stereo.
> My mistake! So is it worth $136.54 in stereo
Absolutely. Once I get my set for c. $28 from FNAC, I'll be more than
happy to sell it to you for $136.54.
Marc Perman
Brendan R. Wehrung
> I have been informed by Accord that they are in the process of auditioning
> their back catalog of recordings from the Club Franciases du Disques (the
> source for these Ristenparts, and others such as Argenta, Wand, Fourestier, and
> others). Apparently there is to be a series of releases from these sources
> starting in mid-2001.
>
Do they have direct e-mail?
Brendan
David Gideon
8H Haggis
wrote:
>For some obscure reason, the sound of a gaggle of harpsichords together
>is far more pleasing to my ear than the sound of one alone.
I mentioned my "defense" of the harpsichord on RCMR to my wife (we own
a Robert Wilson Flemish harpsichord reconstruction, copied from a
seventeenth century instrument); I must add that she, too, dislikes
*some* harpsichords, which -- to her ears -- can be hard and jangly
(ours is "sweet" and mellow sounding.) I think a lot of record
collectors are prejudiced by the very bright, forward-sounding
harpsichord recordings that we were constantly being offered during
the mono and stereo LP eras (such as the pedal harpsichord recordings
of Biggs, or the extremely bright Nonesuch that Tony mentioned; the
same concerti on Bach Guild sounded much more natural to my ears.)
Landowska's recordings are not technically good; indeed, you hear the
same harsh, over-amplified quality on the late-forties'/early fifties'
American Heifetz records, too, which were produced with a mike set
toio close, and then limited heavily as the master tape was being
taken down.
FM radio does hideous things to a harpsichord. If you look at the
pre-emphasized signal, after the 75 usecond network required for FM
broadcasting, you'll see that the high end is boosted grotesquely,
which would require transmitting a harpsichord about 15 to 20 dB lower
than many other kinds of signals. So the limiter at the radio station
just rolls off the highs on a transient basis, cutting back the
pre-emphasis on each and every note, and then restoring the gain to
normal BETWEEN each note. This creates a "jangly" and hard sound that
is a sort of hashy electronic din. I well remember how the Biggs
records sounded thru a CBS FM Volumax system back in the sixties. The
harpsichord was one of the instruments tested when the later -- and
far better and more accurate -- Optimod FM limiter was being
developed; but even that device can be over-driven or used with "rock
station" settings to cause a deterioration in realism.
I had an enormous trouble reprocessing some examples of Landowska 78s
of harpsichord music taken down in the twenties for the RealAudio[tm]
sound samples on the Mark Obert-Thorn website! Even those old
artifacts would not be reproduced without a dreadful change in timbre
and added distortion components. Truly the harpsichord tone is so
delicate that almost ANY kind of audio processing tends to alter or
even ruin it. That's why we really cannot make perfect artistic
judgments about harpsichord music on old records. Probably half or
more of the sounds generated are simply lost and the remainder is
grossly falsified.
Re: Landowska. Listen to Puyana's recording of Picchi, Frescobaldi,
Telemann, CPE Bach, Fischer, and Scarlatti on Mercury 289 462 959-2.
The analogue master tapes are -- typical for Mercury -- a bit too
close and bright; the modern Pleyel reproduction, based on one of
Landowska's instruments, sounds a bit oppressive even here. If you
could mix to mono, shear off everything above about 6 kHz, add a lot
of harmonic and IM distortion, and mix in a huge amount of background
noise, you'd begin to approximate what Landowska's 78 rpm records
sound like. The artistic character will be totally changed (for the
worse) and a fairly modern "borderline" recording then becomes almost
unendurable.
However, listen instead to Maggi Payne's original digital recording of
Igor Kipnis on M&A CD-243, taken down at the Live Oak Studio in
Berkeley in 1986. At first, compared to the Puyana, it is
"unimpressive", distant, and somewhat dull-sounding. But it is MUCH
closer to the *real* sound of a harpsichord as heard in a lively room
at a distance of more than a few feet away. You can discern a much
more delicate range of dynamics, and more nuance of expression: PART
of this is the purely technical difference in the recording, compared
to the Mercury, PART is the difference in instruments, and PART the
difference in playing technique.
8HH
Gabriel Côté
rkha...@adnc.com wrote (écrivait) :
> In article <8v6qoe$2v3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> jan...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > I just got the new 6-cd set of Karl Ristenpart's recordings of Bach
> > orchestral works, released on Accord. It is an amazing collection of
> > performances including the long-out-of-print Brandenburg Concertos
> > (originally released on Nonesuch in the U.S. in the 60's) and an
> > orchestration of The Art of Fugue.
>
> Can you please tell us which Art of the Fugue is included here.
> Ristenpart recorded the work twice. I have been looking for his last
> recording (orchestrated by Pascal & Bitsch) for years. His earlier
> recording (orch. by Winschermann) was released on a Japanese Erato 2-CD
> set.
>
> Ramon Khalona
>
>
I have Art of the Fugue by Ristenpart (orchestrated by Pascal & Bitsch) on
two MUSIDISC lps. Some or many Musidisc recordings are reissued on
ACCORD... so! The Art of the Fugue on Erato is dull when we compare it to
Musidisc (Accord) recording.
Gabriel Cote
Laval University
Quebec City, Canada
Gabriel Côté
ACCORD... so! The Art of the Fugue on Erato is dull when compare it to
Musidisc recording.
rkha...@adnc.com
jan...@yahoo.com wrote [about Ristenpart's Kunst der Fuge]:
>
> Let me know if you have the digital glitch. It's on disc 1, track 7
at
> around 3:05. I figure there's no point in returning the disc if it's
a
> problem with the master, not the pressing (besides, it would have to
go
> all the way back to France). It's only a minor distraction in an
> otherwise amazing recording.
Marc Perman and I have now verified that the glitch is also on our
copies (mine actually sounds like two skips at 3:05 and 3:06).
I tried copying the offending track on my computer using maximum
protection settings with Adaptec's software (i.e., real time reading and
writing), but this did not solve the problem. I am e-mailing FNAC to
see if they can resolve the problem (they would only need to send a
corrected copy of CD 1). I also did some research on Musidisc (the
label that put this set out, supposedly one of the many labels under
Universal) and came across the following address and phone/fax:
Musidisc
3-5, rue Albert de Vatimesnil
BP 190
92300 Levallois Perret
France
Tel : +33 [0] 1 41 49 42 49
Fax : +33 [0] 1 41 49 42 00
Can anyone (perhaps our European members) confirm the above info and
perhaps even provide an e-mail address?
In the meantime, I am going ahead in transferring the offending track by
picking the best from my two LP sets of this recording and matching the
sound level to the Musidisc CD.
Cheers,
Ramon Khalona
jan...@yahoo.com
discussion thread regarding how to contact Accord records. They
responded that they are aware of the flaw and will be fixing it and
offered to send me a replacement when it was availble. So I suggest
you write to them too.
Regards,
Jan
In article <9044db$r0f$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Richard S. Sandmeyer
I found the glitch on my set also. I probably would have missed it if it
hadn't been pointed out to me. It is very minor -- certainly to someone
who gopop or tick at that spot would be. Still, if Accord is rectifying
the problem and sending out replacement disks for free, one might as well
get a good copy (Perfect sound forever and all that).
I'm afraid my French is only good enough to figure out how to order on the
FNAC website but not good enough to compose a message asking for a
replacement copy of disk 1. I hope they don't mind getting an e-mail in
English.
Rich Sandmeyer
richsand at iximd dot com
Richard S. Sandmeyer
(Richard S. Sandmeyer) wrote:
On reading this, I see my own message got garbled. The first paragraph
should have read:
I found the glitch on my set also. I probably would have missed it if it
hadn't been pointed out to me. It is very minor -- certainly to someone
who got into this hobby in the days of LPs, it is less obtrusive than an
LP pop or click at that spot would be. Still, if Accord is rectifying
the problem and sending out replacement disks for free, one might as well
get a good copy (Perfect sound forever and all that).
Thanks,
Richard S. Sandmeyer
> I wrote to the email address that David Gideon provided in this
> discussion thread regarding how to contact Accord records. They
> responded that they are aware of the flaw and will be fixing it and
> offered to send me a replacement when it was availble. So I suggest
> you write to them too.
>
> Regards,
>
The David Gideon message with the e-mail address of Accord seems to be
gone from my ISP's server. Would you be so good as to post it to this
newsgroup? It would probably save some of us several hours of searching.
TIA,