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When do you stop listening to Xmas music?

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Mark S

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Dec 27, 2011, 12:57:43 PM12/27/11
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Keeping the discussion to listening that happens during the holiday
season, of course (those of us who worked in the CD biz were used to
listening to Xmas music in July, fer Chriss sake!).

For me, it's Xmas day or the day after, tops. That's probably a result
of having spent too many years as a singer, and/or from having worked
on CD projects that needed to be finished by late August to make the
Xmas release schedule, which meant that I had my fill of Xmas music by
Thanksgiving, and couldn't wait for it to stop.

These days, the Xmas music still stops for me as soon as possible. I
use the week between Xmas and New Year's Day to listen to music of the
Strauss family, maybe watch a few DVDs of past Vienna Phil NYD
concerts (my morning ritual on NYD is to watch the Kleiber video of
Die Fledermaus). It gets me in the mood for New Year's Eve/Day, which
is a bigger holiday for me than is Xmas. I also get started in earnest
with any new CD acquisitions that have come my way in the past weeks
or months.

I know that many places keep Xmas going well into January, complete
with holiday music (when I used to attend MIDEM in Cannes, the Xmas
decorations were still up at the end of January). But how is it for
you? Will you pop "Messiah" or "Xmas Oratorio" into the queue after
Xmas Day? Do you observe the 12 Days of Xmas (Xmas evening through
Epiphany morning on Jan 6) by playing Xmas music? Or do you chuck the
Xmas music ASAP, as do I?

Gerard

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Dec 27, 2011, 1:12:58 PM12/27/11
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Mark S <markst...@yahoo.com> typed:

50 years ago.

Kimba W Lion

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Mark S <markst...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>But how is it for
>you? Will you pop "Messiah" or "Xmas Oratorio" into the queue after
>Xmas Day? Do you observe the 12 Days of Xmas (Xmas evening through
>Epiphany morning on Jan 6) by playing Xmas music? Or do you chuck the
>Xmas music ASAP, as do I?

It's gone after Christmas night. And I actively avoid Christmas music as best
as I can until the week before the day. It is just too repetitious.

http://www.thesixtyone.com/artist/maxdegroot/songs/#/s/RWOHD04S11t/

The odd thing, considering how I avoid the holiday tunes, is that every couple
of years I put together a CD that's a compilation of unusual Christmas music.
That takes many hours. But not this year; I'm still happy with my 2009 CD and
I'll never top my 2004 collection. This year I was content to transfer an old
LP to CD (http://tinyurl.com/TijuanaChristmas) and download the Christmas
album by Max DeGroot, one song from which I linked to above.

"Messiah" (Beecham stereo, no others will do) is eligible for play year
'round.

wkasimer

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Dec 27, 2011, 2:21:04 PM12/27/11
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I don't really start playing Christmas music until a few days before
the holiday, and I'm done with the "hardcore" Christmas stuff by
December 26. But I usually listen to Messiah and the Christmas
Oratorio for a couple of weeks afterward, because I have so many
recordings of those works...

Bill

Curlytop

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Dec 27, 2011, 3:16:09 PM12/27/11
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Mark S set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum:

> I know that many places keep Xmas going well into January, complete
> with holiday music (when I used to attend MIDEM in Cannes, the Xmas
> decorations were still up at the end of January). But how is it for
> you? Will you pop "Messiah" or "Xmas Oratorio" into the queue after
> Xmas Day? Do you observe the 12 Days of Xmas (Xmas evening through
> Epiphany morning on Jan 6) by playing Xmas music? Or do you chuck the
> Xmas music ASAP, as do I?

I hear the traditional Christmas songs so much in the shops that I soon get
tired of them. To keep the Christmas flavour while nevertheless listening
to something different, I dust off a 5-cassette collection (long since
transferred to CD's) called "Gammeldags Jul" - Christmas carols in Swedish.
(The J of Jul is pronounced as a Y - the word is not an abbreviation of a
summer month.) I don't speak the language so I can just enjoy the music.
Some of the pieces are obvious translations ("Jag sag momma kyssa Tomten"),
sometimes the melody is known in another context (e.g. "Natten går tunga
fjät" sung to the tune Santa Lucia, or "Du tysta tid" to the melody which
we know as Amazing Grace), there are some unexpected variations
(e.g. "Bjällerklang" turns out to be "Jingle Bells" but with two extra
lines in the melody) but most of them are unknown in the UK - which makes
them refreshingly different.

And for classical Christmas listening, when you're tired of Messiah and the
Christmas Oratorio try Liszt's "Christus", far less well known.

And the CD player program which I have on the computer recognises and skips
Christmas music except between Advent Sunday [1] and January 5 following.


[1] The Sunday in the range Nov 27 - Dec 3, which this year was right at the
start of its range.
--
ξ:) Proud to be curly - the entity formerly known as Prai Jei.

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Bob Harper

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Dec 27, 2011, 3:29:33 PM12/27/11
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Through the Feast of the Epiphany, January 6--the last of the Twelve
Days of Christmas. Time out for Strauss, et al on New Years Day.

Bob Harper

Bob Harper

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Dec 27, 2011, 3:33:04 PM12/27/11
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Several people have commented that they don't start until shortly before
Christmas Day, and I'm entirely with them. We generally put up our tree
between the 20th and 23rd (my wife's birthday), and leave it up until
January 6. That's pretty much the period for the music as well.

Bob Harper

John Thomas

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Dec 27, 2011, 3:48:59 PM12/27/11
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On Dec 27, 9:57 am, Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Keeping the discussion to listening that happens during the holiday
> season, of course (those of us who worked in the CD biz were used to
> listening to Xmas music in July, fer Chriss sake!).
>

I never start. Which has nothing to do with any antagonism toward
religion. I just heard so much of that sappy crap during childhood
that I've come to hate it. But I suppose those who've been
brainwashed to rush around frantically searching for presents for two
fracking months every year wouldn't notice what a total conditioned
reaction listening to "Christmas music" is.

Mark S

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Dec 27, 2011, 4:00:51 PM12/27/11
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On Dec 27, 12:33 pm, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Several people have commented that they don't start until shortly before
> Christmas Day, and I'm entirely with them. We generally put up our tree
> between the 20th and 23rd (my wife's birthday), and leave it up until
> January 6. That's pretty much the period for the music as well.
>

We start early, putting the tree up over Thanksgiving weekend because
that's the only time there are enough people around and off work at
the same time to get everything done. A remnant of my freelance
singing days in NYC when the last month before Xmas was a whirlwind of
rehearsals and performances that left one feeling like a zombie.

Peter

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Dec 27, 2011, 4:04:21 PM12/27/11
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For me, Christmas night, though like others the Messiah is an
exception, since it is exceptional. In fact, we were listening to our
car version (C. Davis on Philips) while doing some post-Christmas
shopping. My wife's family opens gifts on New Year's, so we can hit
the sales for gifts. Pretty nice.

Matthew B. Tepper

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Dec 27, 2011, 4:08:13 PM12/27/11
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I try to avoid the treacly pop stuff as much as I can, though I realize that
total avoidance isn't really possible unless one is willing to become a total
hermit. Distantly-heard songs with ritornelli drive me batty even when I
wouldn't particularly mind them heard up close. Thus, what I might use as
"La Bamba"-cancelling headphones become "Carol of the Bells"-cancelling ones.

And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm willing to
hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé." (Nope, haven't heard
the Delius "Sleigh Ride" yet, though a three-month Spotify subscription I
received as a gift might be worth using for that purpose.)

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Mark S

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Dec 27, 2011, 4:01:22 PM12/27/11
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On Dec 27, 10:12 am, "Gerard" <ghe_nospam-ndrik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> typed:
>
> 50 years ago.

Hate to sound like our friend Harper, but that explains a lot.

Kip Williams

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Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm willing to
> hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."

Raymond Lewenthal and his friends from the "Toy Symphonies" LP would be
so sad to hear you say that.


Kip W

Curlytop

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Dec 27, 2011, 4:43:26 PM12/27/11
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Matthew B. Tepper set the following eddies spiralling through the
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> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm willing
> to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."

Surely Mozart's German Dance K.605 No. 3 isn't overdone to that extent? Well
perhaps it is so is try Leopold Mozart's "Schliettenfahrt".

Mark S

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Dec 27, 2011, 4:46:11 PM12/27/11
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On Dec 27, 12:48 pm, John Thomas <abrasax...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 27, 9:57 am, Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Keeping the discussion to listening that happens during the holiday
> > season, of course (those of us who worked in the CD biz were used to
> > listening to Xmas music in July, fer Chriss sake!).
>
> I never start.  Which has nothing to do with any antagonism toward
> religion.  I just heard so much of that sappy crap during childhood
> that I've come to hate it.

Strange, but I've never thought of the Xmas music of Handel, Bach and
Praetorius as sappy crap. OK, Handel wrote Messiah for Easter, but
whatever.

Robert Marshall

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Dec 27, 2011, 5:26:01 PM12/27/11
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, oyþ@earthlink.net wrote:

> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm
> willing to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."

Not the Stock orchestration of the Schubert String Quintet then? ;-)

Robert
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Gerard

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Dec 27, 2011, 5:48:17 PM12/27/11
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Mark S <markst...@yahoo.com> typed:
> On Dec 27, 10:12 am, "Gerard" <ghe_nospam-ndrik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> typed:
> >
> > 50 years ago.
>
> Hate to sound like our friend Harper,

Not true.

> but that explains a lot.

Not true.

Gerard

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Dec 27, 2011, 5:50:02 PM12/27/11
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John Thomas <abras...@gmail.com> typed:
Exactly.

Gerard

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Dec 27, 2011, 5:50:40 PM12/27/11
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Mark S <markst...@yahoo.com> typed:
Exactly. That is no "Xmas music".

Gerard

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Dec 27, 2011, 5:52:30 PM12/27/11
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Matthew B. Tepper <oyþ@earthlink.net> typed:
> I try to avoid the treacly pop stuff as much as I can, though I
> realize that total avoidance isn't really possible unless one is
> willing to become a total hermit. Distantly-heard songs with
> ritornelli drive me batty even when I wouldn't particularly mind them
> heard up close. Thus, what I might use as "La Bamba"-cancelling
> headphones become "Carol of the Bells"-cancelling ones.
>
> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells

Good example of being brainwashed.


JohnGavin

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Dec 27, 2011, 6:26:15 PM12/27/11
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On Dec 27, 5:50 pm, "Gerard" <ghe_nospam-ndrik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> John Thomas <abrasax...@gmail.com> typed:
For one thing, you can sort Christmas music into 2 categories - the
sacred and the secular.
I personally dislike the secular stuff - you know, the Bing Crosby,
Andy Williams, etc.etc. I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas, I'll be
Home for Christmas, etc.

Rich

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Dec 27, 2011, 8:03:53 PM12/27/11
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On Dec 27, 1:08 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I try to avoid the treacly pop stuff as much as I can, though I realize that
> total avoidance isn't really possible unless one is willing to become a total
> hermit.

In early December I heard "Wonderful Christmas Time" by Paul
McCartney and Wings. "Simply Having a Wonderful Christmas Time" is
like a virus, infecting the audio library in one's head. What a
wretched piece of music-making. God has plagued me with it....

Rich.

Matthew B. Tepper

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> On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, oyþ@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm
>> willing to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."
>
> Not the Stock orchestration of the Schubert String Quintet then? ;-)
>
> Robert

I haven't heard that one yet!

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Johannes Roehl

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Am 28.12.2011 06:52, schrieb Matthew B. Tepper:
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> the following letters to be typed in news:87ty4lk...@capuchin.co.uk:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, oyß@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm
>>> willing to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."
>>
>> Not the Stock orchestration of the Schubert String Quintet then? ;-)
>>
>> Robert
>
> I haven't heard that one yet!

I didn't even know it existed! Has there been a recording? Which
movement has bells? Finale? (To top the xylophone in Schoenberg's Brahms
op.25...)

The Historian

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Dec 28, 2011, 7:35:24 AM12/28/11
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On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:52:46 AM UTC-5, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> Robert Marshall <sp...@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk> appears to have caused
> the following letters to be typed in news:87ty...@capuchin.co.uk:
>
> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, oyþ@earthlink.net wrote:
> >
> >> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm
> >> willing to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."
> >
> > Not the Stock orchestration of the Schubert String Quintet then? ;-)
> >
> > Robert
>
> I haven't heard that one yet!

You should be able to download the Nagano/CSO aircheck from SymphonyShare.

The Historian

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On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:05:32 AM UTC-5, Johannes Roehl wrote:
> Am 28.12.2011 06:52, schrieb Matthew B. Tepper:
> > Robert Marshall<sp...@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk> appears to have caused
> > the following letters to be typed in news:87ty...@capuchin.co.uk:
> >
> >> On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, oyß@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm
> >>> willing to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."
> >>
> >> Not the Stock orchestration of the Schubert String Quintet then? ;-)
> >>
> >> Robert
> >
> > I haven't heard that one yet!
>
> I didn't even know it existed! Has there been a recording? Which
> movement has bells? Finale? (To top the xylophone in Schoenberg's Brahms
> op.25...)

A live performance from 1993 was posted to SymphonyShare a few months ago. Stock outdoes Schoenberg's Brahms in adding trumpet flourishes and counter-melodies galore. I'm glad I heard it, but I had to take a shower afterward, so dirty did I feel.

Matthew B. Tepper

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> On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:52:46 AM UTC-5, Matthew B. Tepper
> wrote:
>> Robert Marshall <sp...@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk> appears to have
>> caused the following letters to be typed in news:87ty...@capuchin.co.uk:
>>
>> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, oyþ@earthlink.net wrote:
>> >
>> >> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm
>> >> willing to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."
>> >
>> > Not the Stock orchestration of the Schubert String Quintet then? ;-)
>> >
>> > Robert
>>
>> I haven't heard that one yet!
>
> You should be able to download the Nagano/CSO aircheck from
> SymphonyShare.

Thanks.
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Matthew B. Tepper

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> On Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:52:46 AM UTC-5, Matthew B. Tepper
> wrote:
>> Robert Marshall <sp...@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk> appears to have
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>> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, oyþ@earthlink.net wrote:
>> >
>> >> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm
>> >> willing to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."
>> >
>> > Not the Stock orchestration of the Schubert String Quintet then? ;-)
>> >
>> > Robert
>>
>> I haven't heard that one yet!
>
> You should be able to download the Nagano/CSO aircheck from
> SymphonyShare.

It turned out to be Kenneth Jean, not Kent Nagano. They don't even look
alike. And that sure sounded to me like a tambourine, not sleigh bells.
Countermelodies and trumpet flourishes, yes. Almost as odd as Felix
Weingartner's orchestration of the incomplete Symphony in E Major.

Dufus

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Dec 30, 2011, 12:07:40 PM12/30/11
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>On Dec 27, 11:57 am, Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wro

Here is Stephen Hough's blog today about Cameron Carpenter , with a
video of Carpenter playing on his organ :

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/stephenhough/100059204/as-camp-as-christmas/

Dufus

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Kip Williams

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Dec 30, 2011, 1:19:15 PM12/30/11
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Ha ha! That's awesome. It's like Godowsky's studies on Chopin etudes,
where the chromatic figure snakes in and around the melody and
accompaniment, and all the while he never loses sight of the fact he's
playing a dynamic theater organ version of Leroy Anderson's "Sleigh Ride."

Go find that on YouTube (simple search) and you'll also see him at a
friend's house, playing "Jingle Bells" on four tiny Casio keyboards. I
think there's four — at one point it looks like he might reach out of
view to hit some notes on another.

Thanks for this. It's a high point of my day so far.


Kip W

Kip Williams

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Dec 30, 2011, 1:21:02 PM12/30/11
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You beat me to it. I should have known.

I salute your YouTube abilities, D!


Kip W

Gerard

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Dec 30, 2011, 1:30:21 PM12/30/11
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Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> typed:
Right so.
(He uses a version with a search function. Clever!)

Allen

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Dec 30, 2011, 2:00:25 PM12/30/11
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On 12/27/2011 11:57 AM, Mark S wrote:
> Keeping the discussion to listening that happens during the holiday
> season, of course (those of us who worked in the CD biz were used to
> listening to Xmas music in July, fer Chriss sake!).
>
<snip>
In my case, it's interesting that you mentioned July. My absolute
favorite Christmas CD (started life as an LP) is the Boston Camerat's "A
Medieval Christmas", which I'm likely to play in July or any other time.
I really don't even think of it as a "Christmas" CD.
Allen

Curlytop

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Robert Marshall set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time
continuum:

> On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, oyþ@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm
>> willing to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."
>
> Not the Stock orchestration of the Schubert String Quintet then? ;-)

Haven't heard that. Sounds fascinating. The only thing remotely similar I
have in my record collection is Mahler's orchestration of Schubert's "Death
and the Maiden" string quartet.

Dufus

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On Dec 30, 12:19 pm, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for this. It's a high point of my day so far.
>

The Carpenter magnum opus , must - see TV : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQxyQktNFwc

Kip Williams

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Dec 30, 2011, 6:47:55 PM12/30/11
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This and the Stars & Stripes are the first things I saw him do — on
YouTube. When I get more downloads in a couple weeks or so, I'll be
downloading some tracks for my iPod.

Has anybody listened to his Bach? I have no doubt he's up to the
technical aspects of it. Does he make it work?


Kip W

Robert Marshall

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2011, Curlytop pvstownse...@ntlworld.com wrote:

> Robert Marshall set the following eddies spiralling through the
> space-time continuum:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, oyþ@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm
>>> willing to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."
>>
>> Not the Stock orchestration of the Schubert String Quintet then? ;-)
>
> Haven't heard that. Sounds fascinating. The only thing remotely
> similar I have in my record collection is Mahler's orchestration of
> Schubert's "Death and the Maiden" string quartet.

The Stock is rather like the Schönberg orchestration of Brahms - only
more so, at least in the last movement. I don't think there are any
recordings so I'd recommend a subscribe to SymphonyShare to download.

Matthew B. Tepper

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Robert Marshall <sp...@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk> appears to have caused
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> On Fri, 30 Dec 2011, Curlytop pvstownse...@ntlworld.com wrote:
>
>> Robert Marshall set the following eddies spiralling through the
>> space-time continuum:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Dec 2011, oyţ@earthlink.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> And as I've said before, the only music with sleighbells that I'm
>>>> willing to hear are Mahler's Fourth and Prokofiev's "Lt. Kijé."
>>>
>>> Not the Stock orchestration of the Schubert String Quintet then? ;-)
>>
>> Haven't heard that. Sounds fascinating. The only thing remotely
>> similar I have in my record collection is Mahler's orchestration of
>> Schubert's "Death and the Maiden" string quartet.
>
> The Stock is rather like the Schönberg orchestration of Brahms - only
> more so, at least in the last movement. I don't think there are any
> recordings so I'd recommend a subscribe to SymphonyShare to download.
>
> Robert

Yes, I have listened to the Kenneth Jean broadcast with guilty delight.
Oh, those trumpet flourishes, almost as naughty as Schoenberg's xylophone!
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