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Mahler 9th - Boulez/LA Phil 1989

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Peter Greenstein

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Jan 3, 2009, 7:34:06 PM1/3/09
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Here's the big one.

Boulez conducts the LA Phil in Mahler's 9th Symphony at Royce Hall,
UCLA, May 21, 1989.

According to David Gable, this may be the best of Boulez's Mahler
9ths. I don't know, I've only listened to this one over the years.
Does anybody capture the sound world of Alban Berg in the first
movement this well?

Download 5 files, use RAR Archive software to piece them back together
and there will be five tracks inside the archive. The 5th track is the
announcer. The total timing is about 79 1/2 minutes so it should fit
on a CD.

Recorded in good stereo sound from the FM (KQED here in the Bay Area).
Because of the length of the work I had to use the 3 3/4 speed on the
r-t-r so there is a slight amount of wow & flutter. By that time I was
using Dolby noise reduction.

Again, I do hope the results play ok.

Rar Archive Parts:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/qkzqjhyeyjz/Mahler 9th Boulez.part1.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/file/fmmu52xgh2z/Mahler 9th Boulez.part2.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1t5q3lenslt/Mahler 9th Boulez.part3.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/file/jyez5t2zgnj/Mahler 9th Boulez.part4.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/file/nztnudmmkmz/Mahler 9th Boulez.part5.rar


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Michael Schaffer

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Jan 3, 2009, 7:52:33 PM1/3/09
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Part 2 is misnamed and the archive is empty!

Steve de Mena

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Jan 3, 2009, 8:26:55 PM1/3/09
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Peter Greenstein wrote:
> Here's the big one.
>
> Boulez conducts the LA Phil in Mahler's 9th Symphony at Royce Hall,
> UCLA, May 21, 1989.

I wonder why they were performing at Royce Hall instead of their
regular home (Dorothy Chandler Pavilion of the Music Center)? Were
these concerts part of some special festival? Just curious.

Steve

Peter Greenstein

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Jan 3, 2009, 8:31:43 PM1/3/09
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"Michael Schaffer" <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>Part 2 is misnamed and the archive is empty!

Darn! Thank you, Michael for the quick notice.

I tested the files before uploading but I didn't try to download. I'm sorry.
I need to check all these things. There is some problem with Part II because
repeated uploads still won't "take."

I'm trying to upload again.


peter

Peter Greenstein

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Jan 3, 2009, 8:44:49 PM1/3/09
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"Steve de Mena" <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote in message
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I just can't recall now, but it might have been in conjunction with the Ojai
Festival which was at this time of the year and the orchestra performed
there also.

pg

david...@aol.com

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Jan 3, 2009, 8:53:06 PM1/3/09
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On Jan 3, 7:34 pm, "Peter Greenstein" <pgree...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Here's the big one.
>
> Boulez conducts the LA Phil in Mahler's 9th Symphony at Royce Hall,
> UCLA, May 21, 1989.
>
> According to David Gable, this may be the best of Boulez's Mahler
> 9ths.

Well, I don’t know if it’s the best performance of the 9th he’s ever
given, but I like it better than the two live performances that have
been released on CD:

Recording Date: 1971 February 8
Symphony No. 9
BBC Symphony Orchestra
London, BBC Studio No. 1, Maida Vale, On Radio recording
Arkadia CDGI 754

Recording Date: 1972 October 22
Symphony No. 9
BBC Symphony Orchestra
Brighton, The Dome, On Radio recording
Memories HR4993/4. AS Disc AS 2509

The first movement of 1971 recording is a real disaster, extremely
slow, bland, and unnuanced, very untypical of Boulez’s Mahler during
this period.

-david gable

Michael Schaffer

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Jan 3, 2009, 8:59:35 PM1/3/09
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On Jan 3, 8:31 pm, "Peter Greenstein" <pgree...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Michael Schaffer" <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ae87a395-ee50-4e13-877f-http://www.mediafire.com/file/qkzqjhyeyjz/Mahler9th

> Boulez.part1.rarhttp://www.mediafire.com/file/fmmu52xgh2z/Mahler9th
> Boulez.part2.rarhttp://www.mediafire.com/file/1t5q3lenslt/Mahler9th
> Boulez.part3.rarhttp://www.mediafire.com/file/jyez5t2zgnj/Mahler9th
> Boulez.part4.rarhttp://www.mediafire.com/file/nztnudmmkmz/Mahler9th
> Boulez.part5.rar
>
>
>
> > --
> >> peter in oakland,ca.www.wakefieldjazz.com
> >Part 2 is misnamed and the archive is empty!
>
> Darn! Thank you, Michael for the quick notice.
>
> I tested the files before uploading but I didn't try to download. I'm sorry.
> I need to check all these things. There is some problem with Part II because
> repeated uploads still won't "take."
>
> I'm trying to upload again.
>
> peter

Check if the file name is in any way corrupted. It displays the same
file name as the other parts - which it should be - on the download
page, but the name of the actual download is different (with + between
the words).

Steve de Mena

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Jan 3, 2009, 9:24:48 PM1/3/09
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I remember Boulez did a number of Ojai performances with the LA Phil
over a few year period. We haven't seen him in Los Angeles for many
years now.

Steve

Matthew B. Tepper

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Jan 3, 2009, 9:39:12 PM1/3/09
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Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
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Royce Hall had a regular concert series in those days, including visits from
various orchestras. Earlier that year, for example, they had hosted the
Munich Philharmonic under Celibidache (which ensemble and conductor also
performed two further different programs at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion).
It's no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the L.A. Philharmonic was
a welcome visitor to the UCLA campus.

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Steve de Mena

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Jan 3, 2009, 10:11:03 PM1/3/09
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Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:w-ednSnLJ5vCjf3U...@giganews.com:
>
>> Peter Greenstein wrote:
>>> Here's the big one.
>>>
>>> Boulez conducts the LA Phil in Mahler's 9th Symphony at Royce Hall,
>>> UCLA, May 21, 1989.
>> I wonder why they were performing at Royce Hall instead of their regular
>> home (Dorothy Chandler Pavilion of the Music Center)? Were these concerts
>> part of some special festival? Just curious.
>
> Royce Hall had a regular concert series in those days, including visits from
> various orchestras. Earlier that year, for example, they had hosted the
> Munich Philharmonic under Celibidache (which ensemble and conductor also
> performed two further different programs at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion).
> It's no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the L.A. Philharmonic was
> a welcome visitor to the UCLA campus.

Yes, I know Royce Hall played host to many orchestras, and I saw
Celibidache there and at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion. But apart
from recording there, it wasn't a regular occurrence for the LA Phil
to perform there.

Steve

Michael Schaffer

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Jan 3, 2009, 10:47:36 PM1/3/09
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Boulez conducted the LAP in Bruckner's 9th in 2003. I didn't hear that
concert but I remember that specifically because at that time, I was
waiting for my work visa and hoped it would come through in time so
that I could catch that, but it didn't. I moved to California a few
weeks later. The concert must have been in April or May of that year.
I think it was one of the last performances in Dorothy Chandler
Pavillion.

Steve de Mena

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Jan 3, 2009, 11:19:22 PM1/3/09
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That does ring a bell now. In fact it might have been the very last
concert in the DCP.

Steve

david...@aol.com

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Jan 4, 2009, 12:27:48 AM1/4/09
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Boulez had some very close ties in Los Angeles. Lawrence Morton, who
ran the Monday Evening Concerts on the Roof, was a close friend, and
the first American performance of Le marteau sans maître took place on
one of those Monday evening concerts on a double bill with Machaut’s
Notre Dame Mass, which Robert Craft conducted. “Staying in the
Tropicana motel, a few blocks from the Stravinskys [during rehearsals
for this concert], Boulez was with them constantly, and had soon
captivated the older composer with new musical ideas and a rare
intelligence, quickness, and sense of humor. Boulez was fully
cognizant of his conquest, of course, and when he delayed beginning
the Marteau at the concert some twenty minutes until Stravinsky’s
mislaid score of the work had been found, it was apparent to some that
the only audience that mattered [to Boulez] was Stravinsky.” (Craft,
“Boulez in the Lemon and Limelight,” anthologized in Prejudices in
Disguise, Knopf, 1974, p. 210) In 1965, the world première of
Boulez’s Éclat was given on the same series with the composer
conducting, prompting a brief and enthusiastic review from
Stravinsky. As Stravinsky remarked, “The score contains only verbal
directions for tempo -- ‘très vif,’ ‘plus modéré,’ ‘très longtemps,’
etc. -- and is therefore at the opposite pole from mechanically geared
pieces such as my own [then new Huxley] Variations.” The
scintillating Éclat [burst, shatter, peal, sparkle] is scored for a
chamber ensemble made up of mandolin, guitar, cimbalom, tubular bells,
etc., in addition to a solo piano, winds, brass, and strings, and it
depends on an extreme form of rubato determined in part by the
different rates of decay characteristic of the various pitched
percussion instruments used in the score. “To watch Boulez conduct
it, as I did recently,” Stravinsky added, “is an experience
inseparable from the music itself. What a sense of timing he has!”

Boulez also got along well with Ernest Fleischmann, general manager of
the Los Angeles Philharmonic, and Boulez gave the first L.A.
performance of Berg’s Op. 6 with the L.A. Phil in, I think, the late
1960’s. Boulez returned to the USA for the first time after leaving
the New York Philharmonic in 1977 in May of 1986 to lead the LAP in
concerts at Royce Hall and at the Ojai Festival, including the L.A.
première of Carter’s Symphony of Three Orchestras, the première of
which Boulez had given with the NYP in 1976. During this period, the
concert hall in the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion was being renovated, and
the concerts could only have been given in Royce Hall at UCLA. I
actually managed to hear the last Los Angeles concert before traveling
up to Ojai for the weekend festival, which included a recital by
Charles Rosen on which he played Boulez’s 3rd Sonata. Boulez and the
LAP played Boulez’s Éclat/Multiples among other things.

He’s been back to L.A. three or four times since: in 1987 I heard him
conduct a Stravinsky-Boulez concert with the L.A. Phil and
performances of Pierrot lunaire and Marteau with Phyllis Bryn-Julson
and members of the LAP in conjunction with a conference on Pierrot and
Marteau at the Schoenberg Center at USC.

-david gable

Steve de Mena

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Jan 4, 2009, 12:35:53 AM1/4/09
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Thanks for that info, I wondered if there was a reason for the Royce
Hall relocation. And we heard at the time that Fleischmann was the
one who was able to draw Boulez here during these years. Ernie also
got Leonard Bernstein here for a few years to work with the LA Phil
Institute Orchestra and a concert here and there.

> I
> actually managed to hear the last Los Angeles concert before traveling
> up to Ojai for the weekend festival, which included a recital by
> Charles Rosen on which he played Boulez’s 3rd Sonata. Boulez and the
> LAP played Boulez’s Éclat/Multiples among other things.
>
> He’s been back to L.A. three or four times since: in 1987 I heard him
> conduct a Stravinsky-Boulez concert with the L.A. Phil and
> performances of Pierrot lunaire and Marteau with Phyllis Bryn-Julson
> and members of the LAP in conjunction with a conference on Pierrot and
> Marteau at the Schoenberg Center at USC.
>
> -david gable

Steve

Michael Schaffer

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Jan 4, 2009, 1:24:54 AM1/4/09
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Either that or another one with Salonen around the same time. I think
they played Haydn's "Farewell" symphony in that last concert, whether
it was Salonen or Boulez, I don't remember. I do remember there was a
Salonen concert just before or after the Boulez that I also wanted to
go to, but I don't remember what the program actually was.

Peter Greenstein

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Jan 4, 2009, 3:39:24 AM1/4/09
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Michael,

I'm trying to follow what you suggest here, but though can't even download
that problem file to check the file name. I've uploaded the same file,
that's Part II of the rar archive, but I can't even download it. All the
other parts will download but when I click on this one file and the button
that says "download this file", Mediafire brings up another tab (I'm using
Windows) of the browser and it just stays blank and nothing happens. Maybe
you have something different happening.

Anyway, I'm going to try a different route and split the rar archive with HJ
Split. Maybe I'll have better luck.

peter


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Mr. Mike

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Jan 4, 2009, 9:43:11 AM1/4/09
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 00:39:24 -0800, "Peter Greenstein"
<pgre...@comcast.net> wrote:

>All the
>other parts will download but when I click on this one file and the button
>that says "download this file", Mediafire brings up another tab (I'm using
>Windows) of the browser and it just stays blank and nothing happens. Maybe
>you have something different happening.
>
>Anyway, I'm going to try a different route and split the rar archive with HJ
>Split. Maybe I'll have better luck.

When I try downloading part 2 with both Internet Explorer and Firefox,
I get messages like this:

Invalid File. This error has been forwarded to MediaFire's development
team.

The key you provided for file download was invalid. This is usually
caused because the file is no longer stored on Mediafire. This occurs
when the file is removed by the originating user or Mediafire.

Maybe try posting it to some Usenet classical newsgroup with PAR
files?

Peter Greenstein

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Jan 4, 2009, 10:58:39 AM1/4/09
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Mr. Mike,

Could you remind me how to do PAR files. I think I have d/l and joined
those, but I forgot which software does this.

For the Mahler 9th, I have a different set up now. The archive is split with
HJ Split. I have been able to d/l the five parts now, and Simon Roberts
reports success, too. Are the files in the format "Mahler 9th
Boulez-LA.rar.001", etc? This is what the corrected set should look like.

peter

Matthew B. Tepper

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Jan 4, 2009, 11:08:49 AM1/4/09
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Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
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> Thanks for that info, I wondered if there was a reason for the Royce Hall
> relocation. And we heard at the time that Fleischmann was the one who was
> able to draw Boulez here during these years. Ernie also got Leonard
> Bernstein here for a few years to work with the LA Phil Institute Orchestra
> and a concert here and there.

Ah, the institute! I just found the original (and a couple of copies) of my
audition tape for that.

Alan Cooper

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Jan 4, 2009, 11:18:23 AM1/4/09
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"Peter Greenstein" <pgre...@comcast.net> wrote in
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Your revised files downloaded quickly for me, unsplit without incident, and sound
fine. Trawling through some old files (not the electronic kind) this morning, I
came upon a concert program that reminded me that I actually saw Boulez conduct
the Mahler 9th with the NYPO on October 17, 1976 (a Sunday afternoon). It was so
memorable that I had forgotten all about it :-) But it was a long time ago.

AC

Bob Harper

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Jan 4, 2009, 11:41:35 AM1/4/09
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Peter Greenstein wrote:
(snipJ)

>
> For the Mahler 9th, I have a different set up now. The archive is split
> with HJ Split. I have been able to d/l the five parts now, and Simon
> Roberts reports success, too. Are the files in the format "Mahler 9th
> Boulez-LA.rar.001", etc? This is what the corrected set should look like.
>
> peter

Where are the new files to be found? I'm still unable to download the
second part from the original post, but I assume from the above that
there's now a new set of files available for download.

Thanks.

Bob Harper

Peter Greenstein

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Jan 4, 2009, 11:45:41 AM1/4/09
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"Alan Cooper" <amco...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
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That's one I haven't located yet. But I do have a Mahler 7th from that
period.

peter

Peter Greenstein

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Jan 4, 2009, 11:47:59 AM1/4/09
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Bob,

Can you try this:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6eeb5bbfd8743bba91b20cc0d07ba4d21c2bf51b35d93fa2?

Maybe this will show you the whole new set.

peter
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Bob Harper

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Jan 4, 2009, 12:10:15 PM1/4/09
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Oops. Found the new ones not five minutes after I posted the above.

Thanks!!

Bob Harper

Michael Schaffer

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Jan 4, 2009, 5:07:49 PM1/4/09
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On Jan 4, 11:47 am, "Peter Greenstein" <pgree...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can you try this:http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6eeb5bbfd8743bba91b20cc0d07ba4d21c...

>
> Maybe this will show you the whole new set.

Thanks, that worked!

Mr. Mike

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Jan 4, 2009, 7:19:53 PM1/4/09
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No PAR file help, sorry! I was able to download the split files and
join them back together. Hmmm, I better listen to them now!

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