OperaShare
JJ
to dowload off this amazing group - the sheer variety and volume are
overwhelming and there is only so much time and hard drive space!
Here are some of mine: there is a La Scala Tristan und Isolde conducted
by Karajan with Nilsson and Windgassen (1959) that is pretty wonderful
though dim sound; an extraordinary sounding in-house of a Haitink/BSO
Pelleas et Melisande with Lorraine Hunt Lieberson and Simon Keenlyside;
a number of terrific Verdi Requiems, but especially with Karajan (1962)
that has Leontyne Price on breathtaking peak form; a superb Idomeneo
conducted by Haitink with Haefliger and Ameling in a rare operatic
outing; a Boulez Bruckner 7 with the VPO that really sings, and is the
best Boulez Bruckner I've heard; loads of Mahler - the MahlerFest
performances sound great, a Mahler 8 with Keilberth that has Wunderlich
singing the tenor part like a dream, a gorgeous Wayfarer songs with
Christa Ludwig/Bohm, and a number of terrific Das Lieds, including a
Krips/Wunderlich/Fi-DI. And much, much more, of course.
Anyone else?
Jon
wkasimer
> I wonder if people might make recommendations on favorite performances
> to dowload off this amazing group - the sheer variety and volume are
> overwhelming and there is only so much time and hard drive space!
Scary indeed! Over the last few days, I've been mezmerized by an odd
performance of Queen of Spades, in English, and with cuts, with James
McCracken. The sheer intensity of his performance is something to
behold.
Bill
jserr...@gmail.com
--BSO concerts with Koussevitzky, Munch and Leinsdorf
--Bernstein conducting the Cleveland in Mahler's Second (Blossom,
1970)
--Szell's last Severance Hall concert in May 1970 & his Verdi Requiem
--Die Walkure, Met 1944 with Melchior, Traubel and Szell: it blew me
away.
js
On Apr 22, 9:02 am, JJ <j...@nospam.nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Simon Roberts
Yes; too many to remember, let alone mention. Being a Varady fan, and
disappointed by how relatively little she recorded commercially, it's been
marvelous to find so much live stuff, much of it very well recorded, including a
stunning Strauss VLL with Masur and perhaps the best Desdemona I've heard. One
shouldn't overlook the videos, either. On some the picture quality is so poor
you might as well be watching an ultrasound, but others - notably the recent
Florez/Dessay Fille du Regiment from Vienna - are of DVD quality (if not quite
HDTV).
Amazing indeed, and more-or-less impossible to keep up.
(It does have its amusing quirks, though - one could easily get the impression
that the most popular operas out there are Ariadne and Idomeneo.)
Simon
Paul Goldstein
I was very impressed by Rita Gorr's Mahler song cycles. There have also been
some superb Markevitch concerts posted.
vbat...@yahoo.com
Ormandy/Phila Bruckner 7th
Jeanne-Marie Darre's Chopin Waltzes
Klemperer/Phila Orch "Eroica" (live stereo brodcast from '62)
Claude Frank/Munch/Boston SO: Mozart K491 (live stereo brodcast from
'59)
Gabriel Tacchino's Mozart sonatas (never issued on CD in the West).
And much much more....
Vadim.
On Apr 22, 9:02 am, JJ <j...@nospam.nyc.rr.com> wrote:
joachim...@telenet.be
> Anyone else?
Hermann Scherchen's rehearsal of Beethovens 9th symphony is a
wonderful document. He is just shouting his instructions while the
orchestra is playing without interruption. Even better than the main
performance.
Kind regards
Joachim
David Royko
> I wonder if people might make recommendations on favorite performances
> to dowload off this amazing group - the sheer variety and volume are
> overwhelming and there is only so much time and hard drive space!
Dudamel's Israel PO Mahler 1. The sound is good, the orchestra--simply
amazing. Dudamel's interpretation sounds similar to what I heard him
do with the Chicago SO last month. I know it's not to everyone's
taste, but I love it.
Dave Royko
Steve de Mena
> I wonder if people might make recommendations on favorite performances
> to dowload off this amazing group - the sheer variety and volume are
> overwhelming and there is only so much time and hard drive space!
>
sings, and is the
> best Boulez Bruckner I've heard
I can't find a Bruckner 7 with Boulez on
OperaShare. Am I missing it somehow, or was that
a typo?
Thanks,
Steve
Walter Traprock
Where is the Boulez Brucker 7 anywhere, nevermind operashare?
typo, methinks.
What is operashare anyway, and is there a reason for it,
is it just a webby substitute for newsgroups with links to
rapishare, yousendit, etc.?
JJ
$4c36...@roadrunner.com:
I'm looking and I can't find it myself now - the message may have been
deleted, though these things are continually reuploaded. It is a live
performance from May 2005 with the VPO.
Jon
Steve de Mena
> What is operashare anyway, and is there a reason for it,
> is it just a webby substitute for newsgroups with links to
> rapishare, yousendit, etc.?
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/OperaShare/
Yes, it's a webby alternative to newsgroups, with
links, primarily to rapidshare.
Steve
David Royko
The advantage is it's strictly moderated. It's not a discussion group,
so flame wars don't happen. Those move over here to rmcr.
Dave Royko
Brendan R. Wehrung
Are the listings searchable? I'd like the addresses for some
Hindemith-conducted concerts mentioned a while ago.
Brendan
phlmae...@yahoo.com
listened to it last night and it's one of the better performances of
the Brahms 2nd I've heard.
Bruckner 7: Rattle/BPO from last year's proms
Bruckner 8: Thieleman/VPO
Mahler 5: Mitropoulos/NY Phil from 1960 (I also have downloaded their
9th from the same year, but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet)
phlmae...@yahoo.com
> Hindemith-conducted concerts mentioned a while ago.
>
>
Yes. It's not a complex search system like you get at on-line CD shop
sites, but they have a space for keyword searches.
Steve de Mena
Yes, the posts are searchable.
Steve
Steve de Mena
> Brahms 2nd symphony from 1983 in Salzburg by Karajan and the BPO. Just
> listened to it last night and it's one of the better performances of
> the Brahms 2nd I've heard.
>
> Bruckner 7: Rattle/BPO from last year's proms
>
> Bruckner 8: Thieleman/VPO
There is a Bruckner 8 with Thielemann and the
Munich Philharmonic too, check that out also. The
date is very close to the VPO performance.
Steve
matt
Just a few:
Gielen's Mahler 4th (exquisite)
Barenboim's Mahler 9th from the this month's Berlin Mahlerfest
Rattle's most unusual and, I think, mostly thrilling, Johannes
Passion with Bostridge, Quasthoff and unbelievably beautiful and
delicate playing by members of the BPO.
VIDEO, from La Scala, of the Dudamel Mahler 3rd from last year which
was only recently uploaded; the sound is limited but it more than
hints at what the audience must have heard. I watched it two times in
a row.
Matt
JJ
group - and it's not even a favorite opera!):
Wozzeck cond. Carlos Kleiber from Munich 1970 - in excellent sound.
Peter Grimes cond. Simon Rattle. An ok cast, but fabulous conducting
and orchestra (BPO)
Mussorgsky Salammbo cond. Rostropovich.
Sessions Montezuma premiere cond. Sarah Caldwell.
Don Carlo - Domingo, Freni, Ludwig - cond. Karajan 1975. A great cast
and Domingo in great voice.
Videos of Elisabeth Schwarzkopf master-classes - fascinating material
for many reasons.
Tosca - Crespin, Di Stefano, Taddei - Crespin and Taddei at their best!
Beethoven - Piano Concerto #4 - Backhaus/Fricsay
Bruckner - Symphony #8 - Krips/NYPO
Miguel Montfort
> I wonder if people might make recommendations on
> favorite performances to dowload off this amazing
> group - the sheer variety and volume are overwhelming
> and there is only so much time and hard drive space!
I wonder if all the people downloading those GBs like
there was no tomorrow, actually SHARE something, too?!
Miguel Montfort
Matthew B. Tepper
to be typed in news:462e3fbe$0$23130$9b4e...@newsspool1.arcor-online.net:
Pardon the shouting, but this is a direct quote from the home page:
"REQUESTS WILL BE ACCEPTED ONLY FROM MEMBERS WHO HAVE UPLOADED FOR SHARING
DURING THE PREVIOUS 4 WEEKS, OR AVERAGE AT LEAST ONE UPLOAD PER MONTH
DURING THEIR MEMBERSHIP."
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Miguel Montfort
> Pardon the shouting, but this is a direct
> quote from the home page: "REQUESTS WILL
> BE ACCEPTED ONLY FROM MEMBERS WHO HAVE
> UPLOADED FOR SHARING DURING THE PREVIOUS
> 4 WEEKS, OR AVERAGE AT LEAST ONE UPLOAD
> PER MONTH DURING THEIR MEMBERSHIP."
Pardon me, Matthew, I don't quite get you.
It's the - rather uneven (as it seems) -
upload vs download ratio I was thinking of.
(Thanks for the brilliant Petterson-Dorati!)
Miguel Montfort
Miguel Montfort
> Pardon the shouting, but this is a direct
> quote from the home page: "REQUESTS WILL
> BE ACCEPTED ONLY FROM MEMBERS WHO HAVE
> UPLOADED FOR SHARING DURING THE PREVIOUS
> 4 WEEKS, OR AVERAGE AT LEAST ONE UPLOAD
> PER MONTH DURING THEIR MEMBERSHIP."
Pardon me, Matthew, I don't quite get you.
Miguel Montfort
> Pardon the shouting, but this is a direct
> quote from the home page: "REQUESTS WILL
> BE ACCEPTED ONLY FROM MEMBERS WHO HAVE
> UPLOADED FOR SHARING DURING THE PREVIOUS
> 4 WEEKS, OR AVERAGE AT LEAST ONE UPLOAD
> PER MONTH DURING THEIR MEMBERSHIP."
Pardon me, Matthew, I don't quite get you.
It's the - rather uneven (as it seems) -
upload vs download ratio I was thinking of.
(Thanks for the brilliant Pettersson-Dorati!)
Miguel Montfort
Matthew B. Tepper
> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
> > Pardon the shouting, but this is a direct
> > quote from the home page: "REQUESTS WILL
> > BE ACCEPTED ONLY FROM MEMBERS WHO HAVE
> > UPLOADED FOR SHARING DURING THE PREVIOUS
> > 4 WEEKS, OR AVERAGE AT LEAST ONE UPLOAD
> > PER MONTH DURING THEIR MEMBERSHIP."
>
> Pardon me, Matthew, I don't quite get you.
> It's the - rather uneven (as it seems) -
> upload vs download ratio I was thinking of.
I'm not addressing the up/down ratio, just pointing out that one may not
make requests unless one has been uploading.
> (Thanks for the brilliant Pettersson-Dorati!)
Thank the shades of Pettersson and Dorati (and the living Mr. Saedén).
I've misplaced the LP set, but when I find it again I will post the cover
artwork, thanks to the wonderful Autostitch.
jserr...@gmail.com
30,000 messages, most containing links to files. Looks like somebody
is uploading something, no?
js
Miguel Montfort
> 30,000 messages, most containing links to files.
> Looks like somebody is uploading something, no?
Yes, indeed. 50 to 60 somebodies ;-)
Thank you so much for all of your precious uploads!
Miguel Montfort
Yasmin Lee
Hi
It does not really matter I guess.
This has always been the case with communities that share the goodies.
The contributors share for some time, then get tired of it (or the
leeching) and quit.
If some kind folks manage to replace them, hurray, the community
continues to prosper. If not, au revoir.
Your theory is correct but the fact is not every one has the goodies.
No one forces collectors to share, he or she may well happily listen
her one-and-only collection at home.
If one feels guilty about leeching, why not send a note of
appreciation to the contributors?
In my opinion, if one is obliged to share, there might be an
infestation of everyday items instead.
Shouldn't pick this point out, it has already been proved,what are you
trying to prove then? ;-)
IIRC, the moderators do not encourage leeching but do not ban it
either.
They would be most happy if one chooses to remain silent(if he or she
can't contribute) rather than posting meaninglessly.
Yasmin
eric....@gmail.com
An odd statement, since you can easily see for yourself.
There is a special incentive to post: you're not allowed to make
requests unless you've contributed in the last month.
For what it's worth, I've posted a few Eroicas and a little Andras
Schiff, though I haven't made any requests.
Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica
jrs...@aol.com
I marvel at how much some people are able to upload. For me it is a
laborious process and it often slows the computer down. There's no
question a few people do a large percentage of uploading, for which I
am very grateful. On the other hand, the number of uploaders is also
very impressive and someday many of the eager downloaders will be more
frequent uploaders themselves.
--Jeff
Richard Loeb
news:3qb133doh810spsgu...@4ax.com...
> On 25 Apr 2007 17:52:18 -0700, Yasmin Lee <yasmin...@yahoo.com.tw>
> their monthly commissions. I've found that many worthwhile files end
> up on Usenet binary groups, having transported a number of them
> myself. But it's an occasionally interesting place to browse and
> leech, if one can pick through the drab and obscure uploads for
> compulsive collectors of every note recorded by the likes of
> Zabba-Yelpp, Carla Screech, Mario del Gurchi, Bruce Sledge...as well
> as a hundreds of indiscriminate in-concert performance
> recordings...mostly in lo-fi bitrates.
What monthly commissions????? Richard
jrs...@aol.com
Maybe it's not as uneven as you think.
There were 70 posts yesterday, by about 40 different posters (maybe
more, I wasn't counting very closely). Perhaps 10 of those posters
accounted for multiple uploads. It is easy to believe that more than
100 people post in a given week.
I don't know how many "freeloaders" there are, but even if 200 overall
post just once a month, and 100 post once a week, that would be 600
downloads to choose from every month. Thus, it is a very "even" ratio
if everybody downloads 500 times as much as they upload. That's the
nature of the group.
What has been altering ratios a bit is that a few posters provide most
of the material that most of the people are interested in, especially
in a situation of such bountiful posts. "Free" users have to be
selective in downloading because Rapidshare limits downloads, and many
of these operas require several files. Such downloaders probably are
limited to on e opera a day, and probably do gravitate to the posts of
a select few uploaders.
The other ratio buster is that only a few posters (but probably many
downloaders) are interested in symphonic or piano repertoire, so if
that's your main interest, then you are indeed only looking at a small
(but growing) number of posters.
Furthermore, many of the posts in the past half year have been re-
posts of earlier material, moved from Rapidshare.de to Rapidshare.com.
This seems to multiply the number of posts but not the selection, and
many of the original posters are doing the file moving and re-
uploading. Hence, again, the impression that a few people are doing
all the uploading.
--Jeff
Richard Loeb
> http://www.rapidsharepremium.net/aff/index.php?ref=22
>
> If you have a web site that deals with downloadable files (many pirate
> groups, I've read, use Rapid$hare) there's a commission system for
> directing subscribers to them.
Oh but not every group that uses Rapidshare for downloading uses that
commission system, is that right??? Richard
Brendan R. Wehrung
Does natural selection operate? RapidShare deletes after a certain number
of days without a download. Do some files die of neglect or are there
always the newly curious to keep them "alive?"
Brendan
jrs...@aol.com
wrote:
That may be. I tend to prowl through the older postings and a lot of
them lead to files that RapidShare has removed due to non-use.
Actually, more of them lead to files that have been moved.
--Jeff
Yasmin Lee
> Oh, ones such as this, for example:http://www.rapidsharepremium.net/aff/index.php?ref=22
>
> If you have a web site that deals with downloadable files (many pirate
> groups, I've read, use Rapid$hare) there's a commission system for
> directing subscribers to them.
http://www.rapidsharepremium.net looks like a phishing site to me.
Users beware.
Yasmin
Sam
> wonderful document.
Thanks for the hint, very interesting document. Did Scherchen always
rehearse like that? Conductors are seldom that rude these days.
Surprisingly the orchestra seems able to take it.
In terms of other recommendations on operashare, try some of the Wagner,
Bruckner and Mahler conducted by Asahina, a Japanese conductor some
liken to late Klemperer, including a complete Ring.
Richard Loeb
I recently heard the Asahina Ring and I don't find it at all like late
Klemperer - its light and lyrical, more like Kempe. Richard.
Simon Roberts
eric....@gmail.com says...
> For what it's worth, I've posted a few Eroicas [snip]
I hope you noticed McCreesh's Eroica with the Radio France Philharmonic; I've
only listened so far to the first movement, and only via computer speakers at
that, but it seems most promising.
To reinforce a point I was making elsewhere re one virtue of operashare being
that it lets you hear performers give better performances than on recordings,
the Colin Davis Beethoven 7 from Dresden is in a completely different class from
his dreary studio recording with that orchestra.
As for hearing performers in repertoire they didn't record but perhaps should
have, where else does one readily find Szell's Mozart 38?
Simon
Eric Grunin
> In article <1177582957.791696.235...@r35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> eric.gru...@gmail.com says...
>
> > For what it's worth, I've posted a few Eroicas [snip]
>
> only listened so far to the first movement, and only via computer speakers at
> that, but it seems most promising.
>
The first thing I do when I go to OperaShare is search for Beethoven,
just to make sure I don't miss one. Then I browse the messages like a
normal person.
Downloaded the McCreesh right away, but haven't even unzipped it yet.
So much music, so little time!
Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica
Simon Roberts
says...
>The first thing I do when I go to OperaShare is search for Beethoven,
>just to make sure I don't miss one. Then I browse the messages like a
>normal person.
I didn't realize normal people browsed OperaShare!
Simon
Paul Kintzele
> Downloaded the McCreesh right away, but haven't even unzipped it yet.
> So much music, so little time!
The McCreesh Eroica is pretty good, but I'm not sure if it displaces
Savall's or Norrington's remake in my short list. It's certainly a live
performance, with all the spontaneity and imperfection that go along
with that (cf. 12:50 in the opening movement, when the woodwinds
momentarily get off the beat and create an odd echo effect). On the
plus side, it's gratifying that McCreesh doesn't shrink from the frenzy
of the coda in iv (reminded me of Scherchen's).
Thanks to Simon for mentioning this uploaded item; given OperaShare's
dizzying array of offerings, I could have easily overlooked it.
Paul
Matthew Silverstein
> The McCreesh Eroica is pretty good, but I'm not sure if it displaces
> Savall's or Norrington's remake in my short list.
Agreed.
Matty
zak...@sbcglobal.net
>
> As for hearing performers in repertoire they didn't record but perhaps should
> have, where else does one readily findSzell'sMozart 38?
>
> Simon
For what it's worth, I very recently posted a live broadcast of Szell
conducting the Mozart 38th, from a concert in October of 1965, plus a
couple of marches he also never recorded...http://
launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/OperaShare/message/30022
Zak
Todd Schurk
And bless your heart for doing so, a Szell fan...by the way...you
wouldn't have Szell's Bruckner Te Deum or his Mozart requiem to post
would you? T. S.
zak...@sbcglobal.net
> would you? T. S.
I have these works on cd...I found the Te Deum in the good ol' days of
Tower Records in Westwood Village (Los Angeles) - it's from a "label"
called "Documents" (from Italy). The "fill-up" is a live recording of
the Dvorak cello concerto with Rostropovich (from 1969). I did a quick
look online, and can't find anything about the company, so it may be
out of business. So, I think this may be "fair game" for
OperaShare...what do you think?
Also, I have the Mozart Requiem, which was published by the Cleveland
Orchestra for their 75th Anniversary edition, which I don't think is
available any longer. Also don't know if this would make it
ineligible for posting on OperaShare.
Re-reading the OperaShare rules, I think I'd be ok posting these, but
let me know your thoughts about this...I'm fairly new at the uploading
thing, and don't want to get "in trouble", if you know what I mean!
~ Zak
Todd Schurk
I'm pretty sure that both of those items are out of print and
therefore ok for Operashare posting. TS
Matthew B. Tepper
typed in news:1178395917....@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
> I have these works on cd...I found the Te Deum in the good ol' days of
> Tower Records in Westwood Village (Los Angeles) - it's from a "label"
> called "Documents" (from Italy). The "fill-up" is a live recording of the
> Dvorak cello concerto with Rostropovich (from 1969). I did a quick look
> online, and can't find anything about the company, so it may be out of
> business. So, I think this may be "fair game" for OperaShare... what do you
> think?
Considering that two different people posted the concerto shortly after the
cellist died (and the posts were evidently approved separately by different
moderators), I'd say the Te Deum would also be fair game.
--
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zak...@sbcglobal.net
> zak...@sbcglobal.net appears to have caused the following letters to be
>
> > I have these works on cd...I found the Te Deum in the good ol' days of
> > Tower Records in Westwood Village (Los Angeles) - it's from a "label"
> > called "Documents" (from Italy). The "fill-up" is a live recording of the
> > Dvorak cello concerto with Rostropovich (from 1969). I did a quick look
> > online, and can't find anything about the company, so it may be out of
> > business. So, I think this may be "fair game" for OperaShare... what do you
> > think?
>
> Considering that two different people posted the concerto shortly after the
> cellist died (and the posts were evidently approved separately by different
> moderators), I'd say the Te Deum would also be fair game.
>
> --
> Matthew B. Tepper
Ok fellas, I've just posted the Bruckner on OperaShare - it should
show up soon...not the greatest sound, but ok for audiophiles.
Mozart will be next - probably later in the week.
Enjoy!
~ Zak
Todd Schurk
Thanks so much Zak! Looking forward to the Mozart! Todd S.
zak...@sbcglobal.net
> On May 7, 12:04 am, zak...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 3:37 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > zak...@sbcglobal.net appears to have caused the following letters to be
> > > typed innews:1178395917....@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > > I have these works on cd...I found the Te Deum in the good ol' days of
> > > > Tower Records in Westwood Village (Los Angeles) - it's from a "label"
> > > > called "Documents" (from Italy). The "fill-up" is a live recording of the
> > > > Dvorak cello concerto with Rostropovich (from 1969). I did a quick look
> > > > online, and can't find anything about the company, so it may be out of
> > > > business. So, I think this may be "fair game" for OperaShare... what do you
> > > > think?
>
> > > Considering that two different people posted the concerto shortly after the
> > > cellist died (and the posts were evidently approved separately by different
> > > moderators), I'd say the Te Deum would also be fair game.
>
> > > --
> > > Matthew B. Tepper
>
> > show up soon...not the greatest sound, but ok for audiophiles.
>
> > Mozart will be next - probably later in the week.
>
> > Enjoy!
>
> > ~ Zak
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi Todd,
The Mozart Requiem with Szell is now posted! On OperaShare, check
posting number 30949.
Todd Schurk
I saw it Zak...but I get a 'file not found" when I tried to download
it...hmmm? Wonder what the deal is...it is out of print/unavailable
from that old Cleveland/Szell set no? Guess we'll find out...Todd
zak...@sbcglobal.net
> > posting number 30949.
>
> I saw it Zak...but I get a 'file not found" when I tried to download
> it...hmmm? Wonder what the deal is...it is out of print/unavailable
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi Todd,
I got that comment from another downloader today too. It's strange
how those OperaShare posts sometimes come out. If you look again,
you'll see how only part of the url is highlighted in blue and
underlined, and the last few characters are in "normal" font. If you
try to click on the link when it appears that way, then it doesn't
work.
Go back to the post, and drag your mouse over the entire url, all the
way from beginning to end. Then copy it, and paste into your browser
address bar and hit enter. It should work then.
Hope you see this post and try again!
~Zak