Rachmaninoff: Piano Sonata No.1 in D minor, Op.28 - recommendations?

[Oscar]

All right, resident pianophiles, fire off yr favorites. Howie, SE, erstwhile herman, erstwhile Bozo, HvT . . . umm, deekay, I suppose you are invited too.

Listened last night to a 2020 studio recording by one Daniil Sayamov, released end of last year on Melodiya (c/w Corelli Variations). Excellent!!

[Dan Koren]

On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 10:16:54 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> All right, resident pianophiles, fire off yr favorites.

No "favorites" -- only considered professional opinions.

Pletnev, Weissenberg, Ogdon. Heard them live.
You may be able to find them on YouTube.

Have not heard the one you mentioned.

dk

[Dan Koren]

Ashkenazy OK too, however it is a studio
recording in his Decca Rachmaninov set,
so rather difficult to compare with those
I heard live. He sounds predictably more
mellow and softer than Weissenberg.

dk

[Oscar]

On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 10:56:59 PM, deekay wrote:
>
> Have not heard the one you mentioned.

Re Sayamov, here's a link to PDF of booklet to his Melodiya release: https://melody.su/upload/iblock/c61/c61dfd6d6d173b475a316154bf7f0434.pdf

[Dan Koren]

On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 11:57:31 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
> On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 10:56:59 PM, deekay wrote:
> >
> > Have not heard the one you mentioned.
>
> Re Sayamov, here's a link to PDF of
> booklet to his Melodiya release

Thanks! My ears however cannot
read booklets.

I have just listened to Sayamov,
Ashkenazy, Weissenberg, and
Pletnev back to back. Mikhail
wins this one! ;-)

dk

[Dan Koren]

There's Treif too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv2JsS3x9g0

dk

[Dan Koren]

And there is Weissenberg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDyySA0fcSU

No one did more than Sigi to
promote this sonata. I heard
him perform both sonatas in
a recital in Jerusalem during
the 1970s. At the opposite
end of the spectrum from
Pletnev. Unforgettable.

dk

[JohnGavin]

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:16:54 AM UTC-4, Oscar wrote:
> All right, resident pianophiles, fire off yr favorites. Howie, SE, erstwhile herman, erstwhile Bozo, HvT . . . umm, deekay, I suppose you are invited too.
>
> Listened last night to a 2020 studio recording by one Daniil Sayamov, released end of last year on Melodiya (c/w Corelli Variations). Excellent!!

Steven Osborne (Hyperion)

[Paul Alsing]

On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 10:16:54 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:

> All right, resident pianophiles, fire off yr favorites. Howie, SE, erstwhile herman, erstwhile Bozo, HvT . . . umm, deekay, I suppose you are invited too.
>
> Listened last night to a 2020 studio recording by one Daniil Sayamov, released end of last year on Melodiya (c/w Corelli Variations). Excellent!!

Nikolai Lugansky, both sonatas, from 2012...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf6w9Xcsihc&list=PLNW5TIrhZRwmjne0LxA2qQNag3EMuoMTG

... perhaps not the best of the very best, but he can hold his own quite nicely...

[Dan Koren]

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 4:59:47 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
>
> Steven Osborne (Hyperion)

ROTFL!

dk

[JohnGavin]

You probably haven’t heard it - it’s new and not streamed.

I strongly disliked the Weissenberg recording on DG which had a typically hard, steely thin, colorless tone. Maybe that’s why it went out of print quickly, along with his horrible Scarlatti recording. So we have very different tastes in pianists. What else is new?

Don’t disturb your neighbors when you ROTFL.

[Oscar]

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 3:35:08 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
>
> You probably haven’t heard it - it’s new and not streamed.
>
> I strongly disliked the Weissenberg recording on DG which had a typically hard, steely thin, colorless tone. Maybe that’s why it went out of print quickly, along with his horrible Scarlatti recording. So we have very different tastes in pianists. What else is new?
>
> Don’t disturb your neighbors when you ROTFL.

Mr. Gavin, it was yr post in another thread re the Osborne CD that prompted me to audition the Rach's Op.28. I am happy I did. And I have ordered the Osborne disc from B.R.O.

deekay, you haven't listened to the Osborne recording in question. It is indeed not streaming. And you gave no critical analysis, i.e. considered, professional opinion, of Sayamov on Melodiya. So I'm not sure what to believe here.

[Paul Alsing]

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 3:35:08 PM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 5:13:58 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 4:59:47 AM UTC-7, JohnGavin wrote:
> > >
> > > Steven Osborne (Hyperion)
> >
> > ROTFL!
> >
> > dk

> You probably haven’t heard it - it’s new and not streamed.

Except there *is* a Hyperion recording of Rachmaninov's piano sonata No 2 by Osborne that is not new, but rather from 2012...

https://www.amazon.com/Medtner-Rachmaninov-Sonatas-Steven-Osborne/dp/B00M2D7MT0/ref=sr_1_1?crid=5GDXEFCL6GSK&keywords=Medtner+%26+Rachmaninov%E2%80%94Piano+Sonatas%E2%80%94Steven+Osborne+%28piano%29&qid=1653878797&sprefix=medtner+%26+rachmaninov+piano+sonatas+steven+osborne+piano+%2Caps%2C529&sr=8-1

[Dan Koren]

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 3:45:48 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
>
> deekay, you haven't listened to the
> Osborne recording in question.

I have.

> It is indeed not streaming.

Direct download purchased from
Hyperion.

> And you gave no critical analysis,

I don't analyze music, I only listen.
If I like what I hear, thumbs up. If I
don't, thumbs down.

> i.e. considered, professional opinion,

Considered professional opinions
do not require justifications.

> of Sayamov on Melodiya. So I'm
> not sure what to believe here.

Believe what you like. My ears
did not detect anything beyond
competence in Sayamov's playing.

dk

[MCGM]

Am 30.05.2022 um 00:35 schrieb JohnGavin:

>>
>> I strongly disliked the Weissenberg recording on DG which had a
typically hard, steely thin, colorless tone. Maybe that’s why it
went out of print quickly, along with his horrible Scarlatti
recording. So we have very different tastes in pianists. What else
is new?
>>
>> Don’t disturb your neighbors when you ROTFL.

I completely agree with you an Weissenberg’s DG Rachmaninoff (not so
much on the Scarlatti). The three recordings I’m always coming back
to are: Sergio Fiorentino (APR), Santiago Rodríguez (Élan), and
(yes, indeed, and ten times yes!) Olli Mustonen (Ondine).

HTH,

Miguel

[Oscar]

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 4:30:47 AM, Miguel Montfort wrote:
>
> The three recordings I’m always coming back
> to are: Sergio Fiorentino (APR),

I need to dig this one out, believe I have it.

> Santiago Rodríguez (Élan), and

Listening now on AppleMusic. Wow!! Fantastic.

> (yes, indeed, and ten times yes!) Olli Mustonen (Ondine).

Thx for yr recommendations, Miguel.

[Al Eisner]

On Sat, 28 May 2022, Dan Koren wrote:

> On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 10:16:54 PM UTC-7, Oscar wrote:
>> All right, resident pianophiles, fire off yr favorites.
>
> No "favorites" -- only considered professional opinions.
>
> Pletnev, Weissenberg, Ogdon. Heard them live.
> You may be able to find them on YouTube.

I was independently directed to this all-Rachmaninoff recital,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaIS8KWt5Fs, the sonata preceded
by 13 short works (8 of them Preludes). When I first looked, it
was possible to show the list of works and starting times; today
that was no longer the case, but one can see the works by running
your cursor along the time bar. The Sonata begins about 56 minutes
in. I found the recital as a whole quite amazing. I am not a good
judge of the sonata (I am absorbed mainly by its first movement,
which also greatly impressed me here).
--
Al Eisner

[Dan Koren]

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 9:46:52 PM UTC-7, Al Eisner wrote:
> On Sat, 28 May 2022, Dan Koren wrote:
>
> > Pletnev, Weissenberg, Ogdon. Heard them live.
> > You may be able to find them on YouTube.
>
> I was independently directed to this all-Rachmaninoff
> recital, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaIS8KWt5Fs,
> the sonata preceded by 13 short works (8 of them Preludes).

Yep, that's it.

dk