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GMcNally

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Mar 4, 2002, 12:33:42 PM3/4/02
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I used to prefer the recording by Gil Shaham coupled with the
Korngold.

After recently hearing Joshua Bell play it with the Baltimore Sym Orch
conducted by its former music director, David Ziman. I prefer it on
all counts -artistic and sound quality. And, it's coupled with Bloch's
Baal Shem and the Walton concerto.

I havn't heard it played by others and wonder if there is a better
recording out there than this one.

Anyone?

Gerard

Paul Goldstein

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Mar 4, 2002, 2:10:22 PM3/4/02
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In article <a163e09.02030...@posting.google.com>, jer...@my-deja.com
says...

I haven't heard any of the newer recordings of the piece - the ones since
Shaham's, which I loathed because of the absurd overprominence of the soloist.
I'm sure Bell and Hahn are very fine in this music, but I remain fully satified
by Stern/Bernstein.

Paul Goldstein

Paul Kintzele

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Mar 4, 2002, 4:20:13 PM3/4/02
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Paul Goldstein wrote:
>
> I haven't heard any of the newer recordings of the piece - the ones since
> Shaham's, which I loathed because of the absurd overprominence of the soloist.
> I'm sure Bell and Hahn are very fine in this music, but I remain fully satified
> by Stern/Bernstein.

I was rather happy with Perlman/Ozawa, but Hahn's won me over with her
admirably direct approach and her sweet-toned, always musical phrasing.
And the frenetic last twenty seconds of the concerto are utterly
astonishing--Hahn's prowess has to be heard to be believed....

Paul

Frank Berger

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Mar 4, 2002, 7:08:22 PM3/4/02
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Paul Goldstein wrote:

Moi aussi.

Neil

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Mar 5, 2002, 2:28:26 AM3/5/02
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On 4 Mar 2002 09:33:42 -0800, jer...@my-deja.com (GMcNally) wrote:

>I havn't heard it played by others and wonder if there is a better
>recording out there than this o

The new Naxos disc of the concerto is played with love and distinction by James
Buswell, and thoughtfully conducted by Marin Alsop with the RSNO.

Stephen North

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Mar 5, 2002, 5:19:24 AM3/5/02
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Neil <ne...@thump.org> wrote in message news:<bps88uk77sfelbdgf...@4ax.com>...

And some power !

SN

Salvador

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Mar 5, 2002, 7:57:08 AM3/5/02
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jer...@my-deja.com (GMcNally) wrote in message news:<a163e09.02030...@posting.google.com>...

It is to a certain degree absurd to discuss this subject because there
are so many fine recordings of Samuel Barber's marvellous Violin
Concerto. Here are just those I have listened to:

Dene Olding (ABC Classics)
Robert McDuffie (Telarc)
Isaac Stern (Sony)
Hilary Hahn (Sony)
Jap van Sweden (Sony)
James Buswell (Naxos)
Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg (EMI)
Itzhak Perlman (EMI)
Kyoko Takezawa (Teldec) - a lot of vibrato
Hu Kun (Nimbus)

To be avoid in any case:

Leonid Kogan (Melodia) - because of lapses in intonation


Best regards,

Salvador

Bruce Hodges

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Mar 5, 2002, 11:54:04 AM3/5/02
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I can also vouch for Hilary Hahn's version, which is filled with
insights, warmth and virtuosity. (But I should confess that I also
like Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg's recording with Maxim Shostakovich as
well...)

John Putnam

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Mar 5, 2002, 12:46:04 PM3/5/02
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"Salvador" <Zyli...@gmx.de> wrote in message .

> It is to a certain degree absurd to discuss this subject because there
> are so many fine recordings of Samuel Barber's marvellous Violin
> Concerto. Here are just those I have listened to:
>
> Dene Olding (ABC Classics)
> Robert McDuffie (Telarc)
> Isaac Stern (Sony)
> Hilary Hahn (Sony)
> Jap van Sweden (Sony)
> James Buswell (Naxos)
> Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg (EMI)
> Itzhak Perlman (EMI)
> Kyoko Takezawa (Teldec) - a lot of vibrato
> Hu Kun (Nimbus)

> To be avoid in any case:
> Leonid Kogan (Melodia) - because of lapses in intonation
> Best regards,
> Salvador

==================
Salvador, I like your attitude!!! So hard to pick just one. My favorite
(actually the one I imprinted on) is the Stern/Bernstein. One that you
missed was the EMI with Oliveira/Slatkin. The reason I bought it -- was he
dropped into my shop looking for antiques and was surprised when I
"whistled" the first movement when he mentioned he was playing it. He was
"charmed", I'm sure. Actually he did give a super performance with the
Sacramento S.O. cond. by Geoffrey Simon. Five or six years ago. Regards,
JPH


Kalman Rubinson

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Mar 5, 2002, 12:59:07 PM3/5/02
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On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:46:04 GMT, "John Putnam"
<john...@softcom.net> wrote:

>
>"Salvador" <Zyli...@gmx.de> wrote in message .
>> It is to a certain degree absurd to discuss this subject because there
>> are so many fine recordings of Samuel Barber's marvellous Violin
>> Concerto. Here are just those I have listened to:
>>
>> Dene Olding (ABC Classics)
>> Robert McDuffie (Telarc)
>> Isaac Stern (Sony)
>> Hilary Hahn (Sony)
>> Jap van Sweden (Sony)
>> James Buswell (Naxos)
>> Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg (EMI)
>> Itzhak Perlman (EMI)
>> Kyoko Takezawa (Teldec) - a lot of vibrato
>> Hu Kun (Nimbus)
>
>> To be avoid in any case:
>> Leonid Kogan (Melodia) - because of lapses in intonation
>> Best regards,
> > Salvador
>==================
>Salvador, I like your attitude!!! So hard to pick just one. My favorite
>(actually the one I imprinted on) is the Stern/Bernstein. One that you
>missed was the EMI with Oliveira/Slatkin.

Another one missed is the Ricci/Clark on Reference Recordings (coupled
with the Menotti Cncto).

Kal

JRsnfld

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Mar 5, 2002, 2:10:21 PM3/5/02
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<< >> Dene Olding (ABC Classics)
>> Robert McDuffie (Telarc)... >>

I remember reading a very positive review of a recording by Joseph
Silverstein/Utah. Anyone like that one?

I'm fond of the Oliveira/Slatkin, but haven't explored others yet.

--Jeff

Alan Cooper

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Mar 5, 2002, 3:34:21 PM3/5/02
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"JRsnfld" <jrs...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Silverstein's recording is very fine, as long as you like his basic sound (a
thin, silvery tone with quick vibrato). My favorites are Oliveira and
Stern, but I also want to put a word in for the historic Kaufman / Goehr
recording (M&A)--a performance of unmatched intensity, and coupled with the
Larsson Concerto, which is (IMO) an even finer work than the Barber. Would
that we had one recording of the Larsson for every three of the Barber ;-)

AC


Salvador

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Mar 5, 2002, 5:24:21 PM3/5/02
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"John Putnam" <john...@softcom.net> wrote in message news:<wv7h8.988$d4.1...@sc0101.promedia.net>...

> "Salvador" <Zyli...@gmx.de> wrote in message .

> Salvador, I like your attitude!!! So hard to pick just one. My favorite


> (actually the one I imprinted on) is the Stern/Bernstein. One that you
> missed was the EMI with Oliveira/Slatkin. The reason I bought it -- was he
> dropped into my shop looking for antiques and was surprised when I
> "whistled" the first movement when he mentioned he was playing it. He was
> "charmed", I'm sure. Actually he did give a super performance with the
> Sacramento S.O. cond. by Geoffrey Simon. Five or six years ago. Regards,
> JPH

John, thanks for your nice reply. The Stern/Bernstein really is my
favourite recording of Barber's Vln Concerto, too. Stern generally was
an amazing violinist. He left so many marvellous recordings, and he
was also an adventurous musician - just listen to his recordings of
the concertos by Dutilleux, Rochberg, Penderecki and Peter Maxwell
Davies.
Best regards,

Salvador

Thomas Muething

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Mar 5, 2002, 5:55:17 PM3/5/02
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Paul Goldstein wrote:

>I haven't heard any of the newer recordings of the piece - the ones since
>Shaham's, which I loathed because of the absurd overprominence of the soloist.
>

I'm sorry, but my speakers do not project an "absurd overprominence of
the soloist." Actually I'm not sorry, but delighted that they project
the most polished, powerfully dramatic but non-kitschy version of the
piece ever committed to disc. Plus a very, very fine Korngold as a
bonus. To me, there has been no better recording of any of the two works
(and I've got about a dozen Barbers - including Stern, Oliveira,
Buswell, Takezawa, Silverstein, Perlman).

Thomas

Kalman Rubinson

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Mar 5, 2002, 7:00:06 PM3/5/02
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On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:55:17 +0100, Thomas Muething
<tmue...@t-online.de> wrote:

>(and I've got about a dozen Barbers -

No waiting, huh?

Kal

Thomas Muething

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Mar 6, 2002, 7:18:51 AM3/6/02
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Kalman Rubinson wrote:

>Another one missed is the Ricci/Clark on Reference Recordings (coupled
>with the Menotti Cncto).
>

BTW: Is the Menotti piece worth acquiring? I think this is the only
version available yet (Hickox has reportedly recorded it for Chandos,
but I haven't seeen it listed yet).

Thomas

Matthew B. Tepper

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Mar 6, 2002, 11:41:35 AM3/6/02
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Thomas Muething <tmue...@t-online.de> wrote in news:3C86092B.7060003@t-
online.de:

There was a recording of the Menotti by Tossy Spivakovsky with Munch/BSO,
but chances are the sun will go nova before BMG reissues it on CD.

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JRsnfld

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Mar 6, 2002, 6:43:46 PM3/6/02
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<< ...coupled with the

Larsson Concerto, which is (IMO) an even finer work than the Barber. Would
that we had one recording of the Larsson for every three of the Barber ;-)
>>

I guess then, I'm lucky enough to have one Larsson for each Barber I have. Not
a bad a ratio for two great works.

--Jeff

Alan Cooper

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Mar 8, 2002, 9:53:40 AM3/8/02
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"JRsnfld" <jrs...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Not bad at all. And which "big-time" violinist do you have performing the
glorious Larsson Concerto with a major orchestra? (Answer: none, because
there aren't any, in contrast to the plethora of Barbers).

AC


JRsnfld

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Mar 8, 2002, 3:15:58 PM3/8/02
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<< > << ...coupled with the
> Larsson Concerto, which is (IMO) an even finer work than the Barber.
Would
> that we had one recording of the Larsson for every three of the Barber ;-)
> >>
>
> I guess then, I'm lucky enough to have one Larsson for each Barber I have.
Not
> a bad a ratio for two great works.

Not bad at all. And which "big-time" violinist do you have performing the
glorious Larsson Concerto with a major orchestra? (Answer: none, because
there aren't any, in contrast to the plethora of Barbers).
>>

Naturally I was being facetious about having a one-to-ratio of these--it would
be great to have more to choose from--though I see nothing wrong about
listening to the Stockholm Philharmonic or conductor Stig Westerberg. As for
violinist Leo Berlin, I'm happy to listen if he's happy to play this music. In
the meantime, I'm not about to discourage the industry from recording the
Barber. It's better than having more of the truly overrecorded stuff, like
Tchaikovsky or Mendelssohn concerti.

--Jeff


gggg...@gmail.com

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Jun 22, 2016, 6:20:37 PM6/22/16
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Recent list of recommended recordings:

http://www.musicweb-international.com/mwi-recommends.htm

Raymond Hall

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Jun 22, 2016, 9:15:04 PM6/22/16
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On Saturday, 9 March 2002 07:15:58 UTC+11, jrsnfld wrote:

> the meantime, I'm not about to discourage the industry from recording the
> Barber. It's better than having more of the truly overrecorded stuff, like
> Tchaikovsky or Mendelssohn concerti.
>
> --Jeff

There is a Leonid Kogan recording of the Barber concerto that may well be worth looking at, coupled with Barsukov and Bunin.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Barsukov-Barber-Bunin-Violin-Concertos/dp/B000006BA8/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1466643857&sr=1-1&keywords=leonid+kogan+barber

I mention this because I am scouring sources for Kogan's Beethoven, Brahms, Tchaikovsky concerto CD which is presently at black market price on Amazon.

Ray Hall, Taree

gggg gggg

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(Recent Y. upload):

Louis Kaufman & Walter Goehr: Barber: Violin Concerto (1st recording Luzern 1951)

ifan

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Oct 8, 2021, 10:07:56 PM10/8/21
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Not a recording, I know but as a performance Hadelich is supreme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM0NIQB3ZHU&t=677s

Ifan
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