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flying_teapot

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May 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/28/00
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Hello,

Can somone recommend a good recording of that great opera? also,
is there a set that includes also "Lulu"?

Thanks,
Achi

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JRsnfld

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>Can somone recommend a good recording of that great opera? also,
is there a set that includes also "Lulu"?<

Dohnanyi's is a great Wozzeck on Decca.

DG once coupled Bohm's Lulu and Wozzeck, but that lacks a completed 3rd Act for
the Lulu. Better then to get separates. For Lulu go with the most involvingly
dramatic peformance, Schirmer's on Chandos. Boulez is an interesting
alternative--one of his best recordings but far from the heated experience of
live theater that you get with Schirmer.

Anyone have comments on Metzmacher's new Wozzeck on EMI?

--Jeff

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In article <1d93ac9b...@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com>,
flying_teapot <achi340...@hotmail.co.il.invalid> wrote:
> Hello,

>
> Can somone recommend a good recording of that great opera? also,
> is there a set that includes also "Lulu"?
>
> Thanks,
> Achi
>
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The only set I know of that includes both operas is one on DG label
conducted by Karl Bohm, and with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and Evelyn
Lear in both operas. I have only heard "Wozzeck" from that set, and
thought it was everything it should be. But then again, I'm a Fischer-
Dieskau fan: there have been those who have thought that F-D sounded
too intelligent for the role. (I'd personally say that Wozzeck, though
brutalized, is by no means unintelligent - but that appears to be a
minority view.)

As for the "Lulu", although I haven't heard this recording, I have
heard some fine things about it. But it is the two act version. If you
want the full 3 act version (with the 3rd act completed by Cerha), the
one coducted by Pierre Boulez on DG is still the one to go for.

As for individual recordings of "Wozzeck", I personally like the one by
Dohnanyi. It is marvellously conducted, with the VPO producing some
amazing sounds; and it is both beautiful and spine-shilling, depending
on the needs of the work. Anja Silja is terrific as Marie, but Eberhard
Waechter's Wozzeck is more controversial: he uses a very restricted
tonal range, and, depending on taste, you may find it either
appropriate for the brutalized, dehumanized soldier; or you may find it
simply dull.

Abbado and Barenboim have both recorded distinguished live versions,
but I do find the balance all wrong for Abbado's recording: the
orchestra is far too close. The Barenboim recording seems to me fine in
every way. There's also a very good video of that production.


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Paul Goodman

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On Sun, 28 May 2000 07:40:42 -0700, flying_teapot
<achi340...@hotmail.co.il.invalid> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Can somone recommend a good recording of that great opera? also,
>is there a set that includes also "Lulu"?
>
>Thanks,
>Achi
>

My favorite Wozzeck recording is with the Vienna Philharmonic, Claudio
Abbado conducting. Franz Grundheber performs Wozzeck and Hildegard
Behrens is Marie. For Lulu, try the Pierre Boulez recording with the
Paris Opera Orchestra. Teresa Stratas performs Lulu.

- Paul Goodman
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Jim & Gloria McClanahan

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him...@my-deja.com wrote:

> The only set I know of that includes both operas is one on DG label
> conducted by Karl Bohm, and with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and Evelyn
> Lear in both operas. I have only heard "Wozzeck" from that set, and
> thought it was everything it should be. But then again, I'm a Fischer-
> Dieskau fan: there have been those who have thought that F-D sounded
> too intelligent for the role. (I'd personally say that Wozzeck, though
> brutalized, is by no means unintelligent - but that appears to be a
> minority view.)

I find much to admire in DF-D's version of the title role. For a singer as
imcomparably versatile, I sometimes wonder why he is not admired more.
Gerhard Stolze is fine as the Captain, also.

Before forging ahead to the newest digital recording, it would be prudent
to give a listen to the benchmark reading by Eileen Farrell and Mack
Harrell as conducted by Dmitri Mitropoulos with the NYPO. Farrell's
portrayal of Marie is riveting. Don't let the mono sound put you off.
This is a great performance. Available still on CD, I believe.

Jim


Adrian Hunter

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May 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/29/00
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him...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <1d93ac9b...@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com>,

> flying_teapot <achi340...@hotmail.co.il.invalid> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can somone recommend a good recording of that great opera? also,
> > is there a set that includes also "Lulu"?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Achi
> >
> > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion
> Network *
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> Free!
> >
> The only set I know of that includes both operas is one on DG label
> conducted by Karl Bohm, and with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and Evelyn
> Lear in both operas. I have only heard "Wozzeck" from that set, and
> thought it was everything it should be. But then again, I'm a Fischer-
> Dieskau fan: there have been those who have thought that F-D sounded
> too intelligent for the role. (I'd personally say that Wozzeck, though
> brutalized, is by no means unintelligent - but that appears to be a
> minority view.)
>
> As for the "Lulu", although I haven't heard this recording, I have
> heard some fine things about it. But it is the two act version. If you
> want the full 3 act version (with the 3rd act completed by Cerha), the
> one coducted by Pierre Boulez on DG is still the one to go for.
>
> As for individual recordings of "Wozzeck", I personally like the one by
> Dohnanyi. It is marvellously conducted, with the VPO producing some
> amazing sounds; and it is both beautiful and spine-shilling, depending
> on the needs of the work. Anja Silja is terrific as Marie, but Eberhard
> Waechter's Wozzeck is more controversial: he uses a very restricted
> tonal range, and, depending on taste, you may find it either
> appropriate for the brutalized, dehumanized soldier; or you may find it
> simply dull.
>
> Abbado and Barenboim have both recorded distinguished live versions,
> but I do find the balance all wrong for Abbado's recording: the
> orchestra is far too close.

I only know the Abbado, but it sounds good. The orchestra is
close, but it's quite an authentic theatre balance for me, and
the cast are very involving.

I note that Boulez's Lulu is now out on DG Originals. I don't
know this work at all, but the mid price and hopefully good sonic
quality one has gotten do far from the Originals series might
stand it in good stead.

Adrian

David Gable

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For Wozzeck, I'd probably go with Bo"hm or Dohnanyi. (Mitropoulos and Boulez
are undermined by Marie's who don't even try to hit most of the pitches.) Lear
and Fischer-Dieskau are terrific as Marie and Wozzeck. Dohnanyi is beautifully
shaped, beautifully played, and rivetingly performed by the reckless Anja Silja
and Eberhard Wa"chter. Also love Dohnanyi's Lulu, but it's missing Act III.
Boulez's is much more lively and dramatic than some are letting on. If the
Chandos is truly that much hotter, and I trust Jeff, it must sizzle.

-david gable

Chuck Nessa

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Jun 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/5/00
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CDNow says the Dohnanyi is out of print....They just cancelled my order
- placed on Feb 1, with a coupon.
CN

Matthew B. Tepper

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Chuck Nessa wrote:
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> CDNow says the Dohnanyi is out of print....They just cancelled my order
> - placed on Feb 1, with a coupon.
> CN

And Amazon.com, which doesn't do coupons nearly as often, says they can
get it in a couple of weeks:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/music-glance/B0000041RN/qid=960257358/sr=1-1/104-7731518-0278368

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On Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, flying_teapot wrote:
> Hello,
> Can somone recommend a good recording of that great opera? also,
> is there a set that includes also "Lulu"?
> Thanks,
> Achi
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According to this:

- ...I have to wonder if Wozzeck works better on radio or recordings because the engineers can step up or down the levels on the orchestra and bring out the voices more....

https://www.classical-scene.com/2022/03/12/wozzeck-regenerated/
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