Schubert complete string quartets
Kirk McElhearn
Unlike Beethoven, where there are literally dozens, the only complete
Schubert sets I find are the Melos and the Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet
(which I don't know). Am I missing something? I'm a big fan of
Schubert, and would like to find more.
Kirk
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Andrej Kluge
Kirk McElhearn wrote:
> It's curious that there are so few complet sets of Schubert's
> quartets. Unlike Beethoven, where there are literally dozens, the
> only complete Schubert sets I find are the Melos and the Vienna
> Konzerthaus Quartet (which I don't know). Am I missing something?
> I'm a big fan of Schubert, and would like to find more.
I think another complete set is the one with the Leipziger Streichquartett
(1996/7). I cannot recommend it, however.
Ciao
AK
wkasimer
> It's curious that there are so few complete sets of Schubert's quartets.
> Unlike Beethoven, where there are literally dozens, the only complete
> Schubert sets I find are the Melos and the Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet
> (which I don't know). Am I missing something?
There's a complete set on the CPO label, by the Auryn Quartet.
Bill
Paul Goldstein
>
>It's curious that there are so few complet sets of Schubert's quartets.
>Unlike Beethoven, where there are literally dozens, the only complete
>Schubert sets I find are the Melos and the Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet
>(which I don't know). Am I missing something? I'm a big fan of
>Schubert, and would like to find more.
Schubert doesn't sell like Beethoven. Also, most of Schubert's string quartets
are early works that do not sustain interest as much as the great ones, i.e.
nos. 12-15.
If you are new to the Schubert quartets, start with nos. 12-15. I'd recommend
the Hagen Quartet.
Andrej Kluge
EM wrote:
> Paul Goldstein <pgol...@newsguy.com> - 10 Apr 2009 16:01:29 -0700:
>
>> If you are new to the Schubert quartets, start with nos. 12-15.
>> I'd recommend the Hagen Quartet.
>
> I quite like the Melos Qt. (Harmonia Mundi).
My recommendations:
D.703: Drolc Quartet (1963) (no other recording comes close)
D.804: Aria Quartet (1996) (the best I know so far)
D.810: Wiener Musikverein-Quartett (1989)
D.887: Panocha Quartet (1991) (hands down)
Nothing, of course, if Kirk is indeed looking for a complete set by the same
ensemble.
Ciao
AK
John
> It's curious that there are so few complet sets of Schubert's quartets.
> Unlike Beethoven, where there are literally dozens, the only complete
> Schubert sets I find are the Melos and the Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet
> (which I don't know). Am I missing something? I'm a big fan of
> Schubert, and would like to find more.
>
> Kirk
Bob Lombard
> It's curious that there are so few complet sets of Schubert's quartets.
> Unlike Beethoven, where there are literally dozens, the only complete
> Schubert sets I find are the Melos and the Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet
> (which I don't know). Am I missing something? I'm a big fan of Schubert,
> and would like to find more.
>
> Kirk
It's only a relative dearth. His early-to-middle quartets are less than
great anyway; way less.
bl
TareeDawg
I have the Italiano, and they are not bad.
Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree
Kirk McElhearn
> Nothing, of course, if Kirk is indeed looking for a complete set by the same
> ensemble.
I've already got the Melos set, and a handful of individual discs by
others. I was commenting on the dearth of Schubert quartet recordings.
I don't agree with the poster who said the early quartets were
uninteresting. Not great, perhaps, but certainly interesting.
Kirk McElhearn
> There's also the Kodaly Quartet on Naxos.
Are they any good? I've read that their Haydn was mediocre.
Kirk McElhearn
>
> I quite like the Melos Qt. (Harmonia Mundi).
Is that not the same Melos who did the complete set on DG?
Gerard
I can.
9 CDs, on mDG, the string quintet is included.
And easily available.
E.g.
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Franz-Schubert-S%E4mtliche-Streichquartette/hnum/4258696
Johannes Roehl
> On 2009-04-11 01:23:08 +0200, EM <emmem...@gnail.com> said:
>
>> I quite like the Melos Qt. (Harmonia Mundi).
>
> Is that not the same Melos who did the complete set on DG?
It's the same ensemble 10 or 20 years later. But they re-recorded only a
few of the better known ones.
Of the early quartets only two or three seem to have been recorded
somewhat frequently, above all the E flat major D 87 and maybe the g
minor D 173. The only complete recording I have, is with the Auryn on
cpo. It is very good, IMO. I haven't heard the Kodaly, they won't be
bad, I suppose, but the cpo is not expensive and probably better.
Johannes
tomdeacon
> It's curious that there are so few complet sets of Schubert's quartets.
> Unlike Beethoven, where there are literally dozens, the only complete
> Schubert sets I find are the Melos and the Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet
> (which I don't know). Am I missing something? I'm a big fan of
> Schubert, and would like to find more.
The VCQ that you have found in France sold about 1000 copies when
issued about ten years ago. Amazing fact.
It's also very good, by the way, but it is monaural, if that matters.
TD
boulanger
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> On 2009-04-11 01:44:13 +0200, John <jano...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>> There's also the Kodaly Quartet on Naxos.
>
> Are they any good? I've read that their Haydn was mediocre.
>
worth every few years?
When I heard them in concert (withonly about 20 in the audience) they were
damned good.
Simon Roberts
>Unlike Beethoven, where there are literally dozens, the only complete
>Schubert sets I find are the Melos and the Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet
>(which I don't know). Am I missing something? I'm a big fan of
>Schubert, and would like to find more.
I would recommend the Auryn Qt, mentioned by others. (That there are fewer
complete sets than there are of Beethoven's doesn't seem the least bit
surprising to me....)
Simon
Lewis Perin
> It's curious that there are so few complet sets of Schubert's
> quartets. Unlike Beethoven, where there are literally dozens, the only
> complete Schubert sets I find are the Melos and the Vienna Konzerthaus
> Quartet (which I don't know).
I imprinted on the Vienna Konzerthaus Schubert when I was a kid, but I
outgrew them, I'd say. I remember their performance of #15 as weirdly
gemütlich.
/Lew
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Tassilo
> {M]ost of Schubert’s string quartets
> are early works that do not sustain interest as much as the great ones, i.e.
> nos. 12-15.
Mostly juvenilia, the early Schubert quartets aren’t remotely on the
same level as the later quartets, and most string quartets seem to
agree. Mozart is a similar case: how many quartets are as interested
in performing the early quartets as in the “Haydn” quartets? The
early Schubert quartets are even less interesting than the early
Mozart.
That being said, my favorite Schubert quartet (and quintet) recordings
most emphatically include these recordings with the Juilliard String
Quartet:
1. Their RCA recordings (1959) of the Quartettsatz and “Death and the
Maiden” with Robert Mann, Isidore Cohen, Raphael Hillyer, and Claus
Adam, which have been rent asunder in the Testament CD reissues:
http://tinyurl.com/dapxho
http://tinyurl.com/ckjf2l
2. Their 1965 CBS recording of the A minor quartet, no. 13, also with
Mann, Cohen, Hillyer, and Adam, which has never been reissued on CD.
3. Both of their CBS recordings (1962, 1979) of the G major quartet,
only the later of which has been released on CD, notably within this
outstanding compilation:
Quartet no. 13 in A minor
Quartet no. 14 (“Death & the Maiden”)
Quartet no. 15 in G major
Quartettsatz
Odyssey MB2K 45617 (2 CD’s)
The extraordinary 1962 G major features Mann, Cohen, Hillyer, and
Adam, and recordings with this lineup generally trump later recordings
with different personnel, but the unbelievably tight 1979 recording
with Mann, Earl Carlyss, Samuel Rhodes, and Joel Krosnick is a lean,
mean fighting machine: I’d be hard pressed to choose between the two.
All too often the quartet’s studio recordings with this final Robert
Mann lineup sound as if the quartet were on automatic pilot, and the
later recordings (1979) of the A minor and “Death and the Maiden”
included in this compilation are a little less persuasive, a little
more grim and less nuanced, than their earlier efforts — they probably
wouldn’t be my first choices for these two quartets — but all of the
performances in this compilation are lean and taut performances
featuring a thoroughly involved ensemble.
4. The earlier (1971) of their two CBS recordings of the String
Quintet, which has yet to make it to CD. The personnel include Mann,
Carlyss, Rhodes, and Adam with cellist Bernhard Greenhouse. Their
later recording (1986), which has made it to CD, is but a pale shadow
of the earlier.
-david gable
td
> On Apr 10, 7:01 pm, Paul Goldstein wrote:
>
> > {M]ost of Schubert’s string quartets
> > are early works that do not sustain interest as much as the great ones, i.e.
> > nos. 12-15.
>
> Mostly juvenilia, the early Schubert quartets aren’t remotely on the
> same level as the later quartets, and most string quartets seem to
> agree. Mozart is a similar case: how many quartets are as interested
> in performing the early quartets as in the “Haydn” quartets? The
> early Schubert quartets are even less interesting than the early
> Mozart.
>
> That being said, my favorite Schubert quartet (and quintet) recordings
> most emphatically include these recordings with the Juilliard String
> Quartet:
>
> 1. Their RCA recordings (1959) of the Quartettsatz and “Death and the
> Maiden” with Robert Mann, Isidore Cohen, Raphael Hillyer, and Claus
> Adam, which have been rent asunder in the Testament CD reissues:
>
All very nice, David.
But although it is easy to see your idolatry of the JSQ, isn't it a
trifle overstated to refer to the Testament reissues of the Schubert
String quartets on RCA Victor (a lovely LP, by the way) as having been
"rent asunder"?
This sounds a bit like Romeo and Juliet, or Tristan and Isolde, or any
other lovers whom fate has parted forever.
Wouldn't "recoupled" have done, perhaps? Less dramatic?
TD
maready
> In article <49dfc788$0$17108$ba4ac...@news.orange.fr>, Kirk McElhearn says...
I also like the Auryn Quartet set --- there are a few of the "middle"
quartets that are charming and even a bit more than that, and I think
the Auryn makes the best case for them. Their D804, D810 & D887 are
fine also, but as others have pointed out, their are many individual
excellent performances of these later pieces, Schubert's only string
quartets on a level with his best mature work. The Hagen Quartet is
particularly good, and then their are the Juilliards, the Smetenas,
the Italianos, the Kocians, the Amadeus et al. But if you have to
have them "all" in one box, the Auryn would certainly make a nice
addition to any collection.
randy...@gmail.com
There is a new set just released this month from Hänssler and the
Verdi Quartet:
Anyone heard that yet? Or even just the Verdi Quartet?
randy...@gmail.com
Further examination of the JPC listing shows the set was recordied
1996-98, so teh recordings are certainly not new.
maready
>
> > {M]ost of Schubert’s string quartets
> > are early works that do not sustain interest as much as the great ones, i.e.
> > nos. 12-15.
>
> Mostly juvenilia, the early Schubert quartets aren’t remotely on the
> same level as the later quartets, and most string quartets seem to
> agree. Mozart is a similar case: how many quartets are as interested
> in performing the early quartets as in the “Haydn” quartets? The
> early Schubert quartets are even less interesting than the early
> Mozart.
>
> That being said, my favorite Schubert quartet (and quintet) recordings
> most emphatically include these recordings with the Juilliard String
> Quartet:
>
>
I would definitely agree that the 60's Juilliard Quartet recordings
are my favorite Schubert; Tassilo has given all the relevant details
above. They would be my top recommendation if they were on CD; I have
the LPs and have digitized them. There is that one Juilliard "Death
and the Maiden" available on a Testamen CD. For the last G-Major/
minor quartet D887, the only recording on CD to equal the 60s
Jullliard is the Hagen Quartet's unbelievable DG recording, coupled
with an even more powerful recording of Beethoven's Op 95 "Quartetto
Serioso". You can get a physical copy from ArkivMusic, or download it
from the DG web store. My sentimental favorite for this Quartet is
the Amadeus Quartet LP with the Goya on the cover (mid-sixties
Stereo). That was my "imprint" performance and I still love it.
Still, I don't discount all of the earlier quartets and love the Auryn
Quartet's mellow but engaging set.
Steve Emerson
David and especially the earlier D. 887, are certainly noteworthy.
But they don't remotely possess the artfulness and timbral richness of
the Taneyev Quartet's Schubert, nor the Leipzig Quartet's (particularly
their 887 and the D. 956). Same goes for one-offs from the Janacek
Quartet and the Smetana Quartet (thinking of their broadcast D. 810 on
Aura). Even in the way of a big, in-your-face 887, they are outdone IMO
by the Alban Berg Quartett's analog recording.
SE.
maready
wrote:
Agree with you big-time on the Taneyev D810, and the Janacek D804,
also the Kocian recording of the Quintet. Also, if mono is OK, the
Vegh and Lowenguth are very good. I still want to put in a word for
the Hagen's D887, which is really, really special.
As for the OP's question about boxes goes, the Auryn seems preferable
to me compared to the DG Melos which is pretty unmemorable (although I
do remember selling it!) I'll definitely check out the Alban Berg
ASAP (been listening to these pieces a lot recently).
Tassilo
wrote:
> The Juilliard recordings of Schubert, including all those mentioned by
> David and especially the earlier D. 887, are certainly noteworthy.
I’m slightly surprised you don’t like their recordings of 887 more.
Then again, “timbral richness” is way down near the bottom of my list
of essential features for a performance of this quartet in particular,
and the whole late 70’s/early 80’s box with the last Robert Mann
lineup of the JSQ is pretty monochromatic.
> But they don't remotely possess the artfulness and timbral richness of
> the Taneyev Quartet's Schubert, nor the Leipzig Quartet's (particularly
> their 887 and the D. 956).
Oh, I love the Leipzig Quartet’s recording of the A minor, but it’s
the only one of their Schubert recordings I know: I can easily imagine
liking their performance of the quintet. Haven’t heard the Taneyev at
all.
> Even in the way of a big, in-your-face 887, they are outdone IMO
> by the Alban Berg Quartett's analog recording.
I’m not sure I’ve heard that one, but I definitely prefer both of the
JSQ recordings to the ABQ’s live one. In the live recording, the
ABQ’s tempi are slightly faster than the JSQ’s—to the music’s detriment
—and their ensemble isn’t as tight. A succession of sighs, their
performance of the second movement keeps dying on the vine whereas the
JSQ exhibits an unflagging and even monomaniacal forward drive even at
the comparatively slow tempo of the second movement. Actually, in the
first movement, their intonation isn’t quite as good as the JSQ’s
either, once the going gets tough. In all fairness, I doubt it's the
best performance of the quartet they ever gave.
-david gable
maready
> On Apr 11, 5:39 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-n-nospamsonic.net>
> wrote:
>
> > The Juilliard recordings of Schubert, including all those mentioned by
> > David and especially the earlier D. 887, are certainly noteworthy.
>
> I’m slightly surprised you don’t like their recordings of 887 more.
> Then again, “timbral richness” is way down near the bottom of my list
> of essential features for a performance of this quartet in particular,
> and the whole late 70’s/early 80’s box with the last Robert Mann
> lineup of the JSQ is pretty monochromatic.
>
>
The virtue of the Hagen Quartet recording of D887 for me is that it
has the Hagen's customary "bloom", but like the Juilliard, their
intonation is absolutely pristine (very important for the harmonic
minefield that is the first movement). Also, the two ensembles share a
similarly taut, classical approach; in my opinion, this piece needs to
be played as straight as possible in order to come off.
Andrej Kluge
maready wrote:
> share a similarly taut, classical approach; in my opinion, this
> piece needs to be played as straight as possible in order to come
> off.
Yes, excactly my opinion. And that's how the Panocha plays it.
Ciao
AK
maready
I will be sure to check out the Panocha --- I have their Haydn and
Fibich and like it very much.
Brendan R. Wehrung
On disc I find them a little plain, but not sloppy. I don't always
appreciate "standing in a bucket of blood" Haydn, so they have their place
when the mood is right.
Brendan
Steve Emerson
<36b76949-c4d2-48bc...@r31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
maready <dab...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 5:39 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-n-nospamsonic.net>
> wrote:
> > The Juilliard recordings of Schubert, including all those mentioned by
> > David and especially the earlier D. 887, are certainly noteworthy.
> >
> > But they don't remotely possess the artfulness and timbral richness of
> > the Taneyev Quartet's Schubert, nor the Leipzig Quartet's (particularly
> > their 887 and the D. 956). Same goes for one-offs from the Janacek
> > Quartet and the Smetana Quartet (thinking of their broadcast D. 810 on
> > Aura). Even in the way of a big, in-your-face 887, they are outdone IMO
> > by the Alban Berg Quartett's analog recording.
>
> Agree with you big-time on the Taneyev D810, and the Janacek D804,
> also the Kocian recording of the Quintet. Also, if mono is OK, the
> Vegh
Agreed, a good D804.
> and Lowenguth are very good. I still want to put in a word for
> the Hagen's D887, which is really, really special.
I like the Hagen 887 too. But with the Taneyev, Leipzig, ABQ, and
Adam-era Juilliards each special in its own way, the Hagen doesn't seem
to have that much of a place, for me. (Two performances by the Brandis
are also attractive.)
> As for the OP's question about boxes goes, the Auryn seems preferable
> to me compared to the DG Melos which is pretty unmemorable (although I
> do remember selling it!)
If I didn't already have early Schubert from the Taneyev, as well as all
the other material mentioned, I'd be acquiring the Auryn set, since I
admire their work and they seem apt for Schubert....
> I'll definitely check out the Alban Berg
> ASAP (been listening to these pieces a lot recently).
It's the 1980 recording, not the digital one.
Shown here:
http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-String-Quartet-15-887/dp/B00001T53S/
Strange that there are some available. The "DDD" there is wrong, at
least if what's being sold is the disc with that cover.
Some people may feel this 887 is over the top. I certainly don't reach
for it nearly as often as the Taneyev or Leipzig. But extraordinary
still and probably one-of-a-kind.
SE.
TareeDawg
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>
> On Apr 13, 1:07 am, ck...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Brendan R. Wehrung)
> wrote:
>> "boulanger" (h...@hotels.com) writes:
>>> "Kirk McElhearn" <kir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:49e0584d$0$12655$ba4a...@news.orange.fr...
>>>>> There's also the Kodaly Quartet on Naxos.
>>>> Are they any good? I've read that their Haydn was mediocre.
>>> Is that because they churned them out for Naxos rather than record a cd's
>>> worth every few years?
>>> When I heard them in concert (withonly about 20 in the audience) they were
>>> damned good.
>> On disc I find them a little plain, but not sloppy. I don't always
>> appreciate "standing in a bucket of blood" Haydn, so they have their place
>> when the mood is right.
>
> think their set has many ups and downs. I like their Op. 9 and their
> Op. 20. Their Op. 76 and 77 are not competitive, in my opinion.
> However, there is no question that they are a highly professional and
> experienced ensemble. One recording of theirs I enjoy very much is
> their Kodaly disk, with both quartets, on Hungaroton. I am surprised
> they didn't redo those for Naxos, but the old ones are good, sturdy
> performances.
>
> jpj
Whose Op.20 are considered among the best, besides the Kodaly?
Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree
Bob Harper
Bob Harper
Steve Emerson
Bob Harper <bob.h...@comcast.net> wrote:
> TareeDawg wrote:
> > jpjones wrote:
> >> jpj
> >
> > Whose Op.20 are considered among the best, besides the Kodaly?
> >
> > Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree
> Tatrai and, especially, Hagen.
Tatrai and, to some extent, Hagen. Third choice Mosaiques.
SE.
Kirk McElhearn
much cheaper than the JPC price. Thanks for the recommendations.
I also got the second Melos recordings on HM from eMusic; listening
now. Quite nice, but I don't hear a huge difference between this set
and the earlier ones.
Bob Harper
OK, how about we settle on all three, with personal preference just
that--personal preference.
Bob Harper
Steve Emerson
Bob Harper <bob.h...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Steve Emerson wrote:
> > In article <HTHEl.392$oq1...@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com>,
> > Bob Harper <bob.h...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> TareeDawg wrote:
> >>> jpjones wrote:
> >
> >>>> jpj
> >>> Whose Op.20 are considered among the best, besides the Kodaly?
> >>>
> >>> Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree
> >> Tatrai and, especially, Hagen.
> >
> > Tatrai and, to some extent, Hagen. Third choice Mosaiques.
> >
> > SE.
>
> OK, how about we settle on all three, with personal preference just
> that--personal preference.
OK by me. Can we also agree that from time to time, a remark gets made
that is jocular?
SE.
Bob Lombard
> In article <roREl.93065$5Z3....@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com>,
> Bob Harper <bob.h...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Steve Emerson wrote:
>>> In article <HTHEl.392$oq1...@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>> Bob Harper <bob.h...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> TareeDawg wrote:
>>>>> jpjones wrote:
>>>>>> jpj
>>>>> Whose Op.20 are considered among the best, besides the Kodaly?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree
>
>>>> Tatrai and, especially, Hagen.
>>> Tatrai and, to some extent, Hagen. Third choice Mosaiques.
>>>
>>> SE.
>> OK, how about we settle on all three, with personal preference just
>> that--personal preference.
>
> OK by me. Can we also agree that from time to time, a remark gets made
> that is jocular?
>
> SE.
Jocular comments do get made, and are misinterpreted a good share of the
time. The alternative is to surround them with smileys. Smileys spoil
the fun.
It is also fun to react obliquely to a non-smileyed joke, leaving the
joker wondering.
I may be giving too much away here.
bl
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Bob Lombard
To use cop show terms, I have been both vic and perp. Perp is better.
bl
Simon Roberts
Emerson says...
Surely not.
By the way, does anyone know if the two Op. 20 qts recorded by the Tokyo Qt ever
showed up on CD anywhere? Their finale of #4 is more exuberant than any I've
heard since.
Simon
Bob Harper
> In article <roREl.93065$5Z3....@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com>,
> Bob Harper <bob.h...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Steve Emerson wrote:
>>> In article <HTHEl.392$oq1...@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com>,
>>> Bob Harper <bob.h...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> TareeDawg wrote:
>>>>> jpjones wrote:
>>>>>> jpj
>>>>> Whose Op.20 are considered among the best, besides the Kodaly?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray (Dawg) Hall, Taree
>
>>>> Tatrai and, especially, Hagen.
>>> Tatrai and, to some extent, Hagen. Third choice Mosaiques.
>>>
>>> SE.
>> OK, how about we settle on all three, with personal preference just
>> that--personal preference.
>
> OK by me. Can we also agree that from time to time, a remark gets made
> that is jocular?
>
> SE.
are :)
Bob Harper
Al Eisner
What is Schubert's Op. 20? The listing I have shows only one quartet
with a non-posthumous opus number. [I have an inkling of what is
meant here, but I wish posters would include adequate antecedents
for their posts. I really don't want to be forced to read posts in
a threaded order.]
--
Al Eisner
Bob Lombard
Threads drift. If you don't want to follow the threads you'll have to
rely on your inklings. In this case Op. 20 + Mosaiques should provide a
B+ inkling.
bl
Steve Emerson
Bob Lombard <thorste...@vermontel.net> wrote:
It's all right, Al -- Bob here is one of the people that made Vermont
famous for its friendly route advice.
Op. 20 = Haydn. Schubert's Op 20 is a small batch of material for the
human voice.
SE.
maready
wrote:
> In article
> <36b76949-c4d2-48bc-9621-7a58b318a...@r31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks for the link. "Over the top" is often plain "just right" for
me.
Philip Peters
A "sleeper" is the Collegium Aureum Quartet's D.810 (don't know if it
ever made it to CD). One of the best I know. Now that I'm at it, their
Beethoven op.132 isn't chopped liver either.
Phil
maready
My copy of the Panocha D887 arrived in the mail today and I would like
to thank you for the recommendation. This is an absolutely
astonishing performance, and if forced to choose a desert island
recording of the piece, I think this has pushed the Hagen and
Juilliard, my avowed benchmarks, into a tie for second place. Along
with being taut, classical and (very importantly) in tune, the quartet
brings a delicate touch to the most unexpected passages, and is unlike
any other recording I have heard. Thank you very much!
Andrej Kluge
maready wrote:
> My copy of the Panocha D887 arrived in the mail today and I would
> like to thank you for the recommendation. This is an absolutely
> astonishing performance, and if forced to choose a desert island
> recording of the piece, I think this has pushed the Hagen and
> Juilliard, my avowed benchmarks, into a tie for second place. Along
> with being taut, classical and (very importantly) in tune, the
> quartet brings a delicate touch to the most unexpected passages,
> and is unlike any other recording I have heard. Thank you very
> much!
And thank you very much indeed for your corroboration! I am very glad
someone shares my view about this performance.
Ciap
AK
Andrej Kluge
PS:
I wrote,
[Panocha]
> And thank you very much indeed for your corroboration! I am very
> glad someone shares my view about this performance.
That said, I am unfortunately disappointed about their performance of D.703
on that same CD. Here (as I wrote before) the Drolc Quartet's recording from
1963 is still unrivaled. It's available on CD in Japan only:
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/3583036.
About Panocha's performance of D.804 I am not sure yet. On first listen, it
seemed a litte slow, but I must reassess it some time.
Ciao
AK
jrsnfld
>
> I’m not sure I’ve heard that one, but I definitely prefer both of the
> JSQ recordings to the ABQ’s live one. In the live recording, the
> ABQ’s tempi are slightly faster than the JSQ’s—to the music’s detriment
> —and their ensemble isn’t as tight. A succession of sighs, their
> performance of the second movement keeps dying on the vine whereas the
> JSQ exhibits an unflagging and even monomaniacal forward drive even at
> the comparatively slow tempo of the second movement. Actually, in the
> first movement, their intonation isn’t quite as good as the JSQ’s
> either, once the going gets tough. In all fairness, I doubt it's the
> best performance of the quartet they ever gave.
I agree strongly with these points. I like the way the ABQ sounds, and
the way they sigh, but their style has limits in Schubert, and seems
particularly disappointing in D. 887, which I listened to last night
(a 1989 performance by the ABQ, I think it was in Amsterdam). The
Juilliard's various Schubert recordings have held my interest
consistently...loved the way Woody Allen used their Schubert...in
"Crimes and Misdemeanors", wasn't it? The tension was palpable in that
context.
--Jeff
Al Eisner
Agreed, but for me, without that "Mosaiques", it would have been about
a D inkling at best. I'm not referring to thread drift, which is
normal. I'm simply suggesting that a post should make clear, by
whatever means, what it is about. (In one or two recent piano
threads there was complete confusion as to what pianist was being
discussed.) Even an experienced inkler can be confused.
--
Al Eisner
Bob Lombard
This is true. I have inkled erroneously on several occasions. Thread
drift plus the internet courtesy of paring quotes can lead to - stuff.
It is up to the poster to see that his/her posts are clear, by cautious
use of pronouns, and by reading what one has written. Depending on the
severity of internal echoes, the latter procedure may only clean out
some typos, but that would be some help.
bl
maready
Just wanted to thank AK again for the Panocha D887 recommendation, and
now to add another big thank-you to SE for recommending the Alban Berg
Quartet D887 which just arrived this morning. It is indeed ADD, from
1980, and the performance is just as described --- one wild ride! The
only complaint is the lack of an exposition repeat (due to LP length
restrictions?); on the other hand, I don't know if I could stand
hearing the repeat taken, given the intensity (and occasional
waywardness) of the performance. Thank you AK and SE; thank you
Panochas and ABQs.
gggg gggg
> It's curious that there are so few complet sets of Schubert's quartets.
> Unlike Beethoven, where there are literally dozens, the only complete
> Schubert sets I find are the Melos and the Vienna Konzerthaus Quartet
> (which I don't know). Am I missing something? I'm a big fan of
> Schubert, and would like to find more.
(Recent Y. upload):
Schubert - Complete String Quartets, Death and the Maiden, Rosamunde .. (Wiener Konzerthausquartett)