OT John McCain Hates War
ansermetniac
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"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after
all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is
always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to
tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack
of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
any country"
Hermann Goering-Fellow Pilot
He makes Hillary look like the poster girl for the Sane of America
Can he win the Presidency without denouncing Bush? In America, he can
Abbedd
O
<anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> He makes Hillary look like the poster girl for the Sane of America
>
> Can he win the Presidency without denouncing Bush? In America, he can
>
You just like Obama Girl.
-Owen
ansermetniac
wrote:
No, I hate facists, warmongers and fascist warmongers.
John McCain knows the horrors of war, first hand. His support of the
war is a product of his hatred of humans that he must punish for
torturing him in response to his quest to rid the world of the "Red
Menace". One does not need a degree in Psychiatry to see that. John
McCain is a very sick man. How else can you explain his support of the
War lobby and his statements against other lobbysits. Political
pandering is NOT the explanation. Nor is he a stupid man, as I once
thought
You can have ALL the bandwidth of this ng. Justify war for profit. I
can wait, Mr. Bushite
Bush is a crook. Cheney is a crook. Rice is a crook. Rumsefeld is a
crook. McCain is a sick man
Abbedd
phlmae...@yahoo.com
> >
> John McCain knows the horrors of war, first hand. His support of the
> war is a product of his hatred of humans that he must punish for
> torturing him in response to his quest to rid the world of the "Red
> Menace". One does not need a degree in Psychiatry to see that. John
> McCain is a very sick man. How else can you explain his support of the
> War lobby and his statements against other lobbysits. Political
> pandering is NOT the explanation. Nor is he a stupid man, as I once
> thought
>
ansermetniac
wrote:
So, explain McCain.
Forget about that he is a good man and a patriot. That shit won't
work with me
Abbedd
Gerard
So you are in familiar company.
Is that why you don't stop posting about your friends?
O
<anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
John McCain's father *and* grandfather were admirals in the US Navy.
And he went to the US naval Academy.
And you expect him to become a peacenik now?
-Owen
ansermetniac
wrote:
Many Israeli Generals, who knew the horrors of war, first hand, became
doves, because of what they saw
Abbedd
Sacqueboutier
A very natural and human thing to happen. However,
it's important to remember something.
If they hadn't experienced those horrors (ie. if Israel hadn't
defended it's very right to exist), Israel wouldn't be there.
--
--
Kindest regards,
Don
Gerard
Do you think so?
Or are Israeli generals more human and natural than others?
OTOH this cannot be used as an excuse for horror (what ansimaniac is
suggesting).
> However,
> it's important to remember something.
> If they hadn't experienced those horrors (ie. if Israel hadn't
> defended it's very right to exist), Israel wouldn't be there.
> --
That's what does not need an incentive to be remembered.
ansermetniac
What is being defended in Iraq?
Abbedd
Sacqueboutier
I would reply, but I think it would be futile in
this forum.
I only responded to your comment about the
Israeli generals.
--
Kindest regards,
Don
ansermetniac
<Nos...@somewhere.net> wrote:
Yes I know. I was not directly responding to your comment nor is the
following directed to you.
It is quite obvious that the war is for profit and oil. I just don't
understand why many don't see it that way. Maybe I have more faith in
the Human Race than I thought. God bless the young people that caused
the end of the Vietnam War. The Iraq War will never end until we tell
Bush and his element to take their crap and shove it. Electing a
warmomngering insane man is not the what this country needs. Nor an
insane woman masquerading as a socialist to cover her fascism.
I am willing to give Obama a try on the theory of anything is better
than what we have:
1) Economic growth for the top 5 % only
2) War for profit
3) A Worthess dollar
4) Mainuplation of oil prices by congress and the white house allowing
Exxon to make 1 billion dollars of profit per day
5) Surrendering to Islam while selling Saudi Arabia as a moderate
nation
6) Making the world safe for American overseas business interests
while totally neglecting our infrastructure
"Better the Devil you know" is no way to vote when the country has
nothing in its treasury and the best return on investment is a
campaign contribution
How many incumbent senators and congressman will win in November?
"Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better
than we deserve."
G. B. Shaw
Abbedd
O
<anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is quite obvious that the war is for profit and oil.
Well, the economy is in the toilet, and if oil prices are any
indication, we certainly didn't reap the benefits of it.
> I just don't
> understand why many don't see it that way. Maybe I have more faith in
> the Human Race than I thought. God bless the young people that caused
> the end of the Vietnam War. The Iraq War will never end until we tell
> Bush and his element to take their crap and shove it. Electing a
> warmomngering insane man is not the what this country needs. Nor an
> insane woman masquerading as a socialist to cover her fascism.
As I said, I support an election of the Iraqi people to let them decide
if we should continue our efforts there.
>
> I am willing to give Obama a try on the theory of anything is better
> than what we have:
I think Obama will win. That means four more years of Obama Girl.
-Owen
ansermetniac
wrote:
>In article <hitnu3tkm6b372k6p...@4ax.com>, ansermetniac
><anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It is quite obvious that the war is for profit and oil.
>
>Well, the economy is in the toilet, and if oil prices are any
>indication, we certainly didn't reap the benefits of it.
That is because Bush and his henchman are not even competent white
collar criminals
>
>> I just don't
>> understand why many don't see it that way. Maybe I have more faith in
>> the Human Race than I thought. God bless the young people that caused
>> the end of the Vietnam War. The Iraq War will never end until we tell
>> Bush and his element to take their crap and shove it. Electing a
>> warmomngering insane man is not the what this country needs. Nor an
>> insane woman masquerading as a socialist to cover her fascism.
>
>As I said, I support an election of the Iraqi people to let them decide
>if we should continue our efforts there.
>
>>
>> I am willing to give Obama a try on the theory of anything is better
>> than what we have:
>
>I think Obama will win. That means four more years of Obama Girl.
A black man winning? Are whites pissed off enough at the white men
who have stolen from them?
What is Obama Girl ?
Did you see Leno, last night, and the new actor who plays Obama?
Gilbert Gottfried can't play everybody
McCain should put a Jew on his ticket , so he can lose
Abbedd
>
>-Owen
O
<anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I just don't
> >> understand why many don't see it that way. Maybe I have more faith in
> >> the Human Race than I thought. God bless the young people that caused
> >> the end of the Vietnam War. The Iraq War will never end until we tell
> >> Bush and his element to take their crap and shove it. Electing a
> >> warmomngering insane man is not the what this country needs. Nor an
> >> insane woman masquerading as a socialist to cover her fascism.
> >
> >As I said, I support an election of the Iraqi people to let them decide
> >if we should continue our efforts there.
> >
> >>
> >> I am willing to give Obama a try on the theory of anything is better
> >> than what we have:
> >
> >I think Obama will win. That means four more years of Obama Girl.
>
> A black man winning? Are whites pissed off enough at the white men
> who have stolen from them?
No, I think Hillary has too much baggage from Bill's term in office and
McCain just looks too old.
>
> What is Obama Girl ?
Google Obama Girl.
>
> Did you see Leno, last night, and the new actor who plays Obama?
> Gilbert Gottfried can't play everybody
>
> McCain should put a Jew on his ticket , so he can lose
How about a Morman? There's renewed speculation of Romney. The two
seem to be friends now. Will that bury his chances? Or will it help
him nail down that "I'm a real conservative, see!" (Or does he really
want to be a conservative now that he has the nomination?)
-Owen
ansermetniac
wrote:
What was the price of the endorsements of George H and George W. and
Nancy Reagan?
No Romney. The minute he said "Washington is Broken" The Machine
killed him. The machine wants Billary.How can they get Billary without
pissing off the people?
Is it just me or does Billary look really stupid agreeing to forget FL
and MI and now wanting it to count?
Now she miss-spoke because she was sleep deprived. What next?
Abbedd
>
>-Owen
O
<anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
McCain already paid for the Bushes when he didn't crab too much over
the 2000 South Carolina primary, where he accused the Bushes of "dirty
tricks." Nancy Reagan is a good buddy of McCain's - she's been on his
wagon from day 1.
>
> No Romney. The minute he said "Washington is Broken" The Machine
> killed him. The machine wants Billary.How can they get Billary without
> pissing off the people?
Superdelegates. The Clinton campaign is already complaining the Nancy
Pelosi wants them "to follow the will of the voters," instead of voting
for the Clintons. I can't see any reason for superdelegates except to
steal the nomination. Why should these people have any vote at all.
Hey, you Democrats out there! Can any of you justify superdelegates?
>
> Is it just me or does Billary look really stupid agreeing to forget FL
> and MI and now wanting it to count?
Did you really expect anything else from the Clinton political machine?
>
> Now she miss-spoke because she was sleep deprived. What next?
"I did not have sex with Vince Foster?" Who knows what's next with the
Clintons?
-Owen
Bob Lombard
---------
McCain can't successfully present himself as a conservative, but he
could add an 'aura' of conservatism to his ticket if he enlisted
Huckabee (who also is as close as either party can get to an honest
candidate).
bl
Norman M. Schwartz
"Bob Lombard" wrote
> McCain can't successfully present himself as a conservative, but he could
> add an 'aura' of conservatism to his ticket if he enlisted Huckabee (who
> also is as close as either party can get to an honest candidate).
>
Unfortunately, only the powerless poor slobs want 'honest'.
ansermetniac
How did the powerful get power?
Abbedd
Norman M. Schwartz
"ansermetniac" <anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uo0qu35976kdkng8n...@4ax.com...
Their moneyed powerful in-crowd buddies who contribute to, and make possible
their campaigns, and then will return their favors.
> Abbedd
ansermetniac
<nm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>"ansermetniac" <anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:uo0qu35976kdkng8n...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:31:28 -0500, "Norman M. Schwartz"
>> <nm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bob Lombard" wrote
>>>
>>>> McCain can't successfully present himself as a conservative, but he
>>>> could
>>>> add an 'aura' of conservatism to his ticket if he enlisted Huckabee (who
>>>> also is as close as either party can get to an honest candidate).
>>>>
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, only the powerless poor slobs want 'honest'.
>>>
>>
>>
>> How did the powerful get power?
>>
>
>Their moneyed powerful in-crowd buddies who contribute to, and make possible
>their campaigns, and then will return their favors.
The best return on investment in the USA is a campaign contribution
Boeing did not play the game correctly and is whining in a full page
ad in major newspapers. Hard to have sympathy for them. Scoop Jerkson
used his influence to have Boeing 747s replace Lochkead C-130s as our
main military cargo plane. You can drive a complete tank out of a
C-130 right on to the battlefield. You have to assemble the tank after
you remove it from a 747 because it cannot fit without being
dissassembled. Fortunately Jerkson was stopped before it was too late.
What do you tell the Mother of a boy that was killed while assembling
a tank on a battlefield so Jerkson could earn his campaign
contribution
Abbedd
>
>> Abbedd
>
thoren...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:47:52 -0400, O <ow...@denofinequityx.com>
> wrote:
>
> ><ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> He makes Hillary look like the poster girl for the Sane of America
>
> >> Can he win the Presidency without denouncing Bush? In America, he can
>
> >You just like Obama Girl.
>
> >-Owen
>
> No, I hate facists, warmongers and fascist warmongers.
>
> John McCain knows the horrors of war, first hand. His support of the
> war is a product of his hatred of humans that he must punish for
> torturing him in response to his quest to rid the world of the "Red
> Menace". One does not need a degree in Psychiatry to see that. John
> McCain is a very sick man. How else can you explain his support of the
> War lobby and his statements against other lobbysits. Political
> pandering is NOT the explanation. Nor is he a stupid man, as I once
> thought
>
> You can have ALL the bandwidth of this ng. Justify war for profit. I
> can wait, Mr. Bushite
>
> Bush is a crook. Cheney is a crook. Rice is a crook. Rumsefeld is a
> crook. McCain is a sick man
>
> Abbedd
The worst sort of warmongers,are those who have convinced a large
enough per centage of the population they are "antiwar"
Care to guess whose speech this is from ?
"Our job is to never forget that the threat of violence is real. Our
job is to renew the United States efforts to help Israel achieve peace
with its neighbors while remaining vigilant against those who do not
share this vision. Our job is to do more than lay out another road
map; our job is to rebuild the road to real peace and lasting security
throughout the region.
That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security
of Israel: our strongest ally in the region and its only established
democracy. That will always be my starting point. And when we see all
of the growing threats in the region: from Iran to Iraq to the
resurgence of al-Qaeda to the reinvigoration of Hamas and Hezbollah,
that loyalty and that friendship will guide me as we begin to lay the
stones that will build the road that takes us from the current
instability to lasting peace and security.
It won't be easy. Some of those stones will be heavy and tough for the
United States to carry. Others with be heavy and tough for Israel to
carry. And even more will be difficult for the world. But together, we
will begin again.
One of the heavy stones that currently rest at the United States' feet
is Iraq. Until we lift this burden from our foreign policy, we cannot
rally the world to our values and vision.
...Now our soldiers find themselves in the crossfire of someone else's
civil war. More than 3,100 have given the last full measure of
devotion to their country. This war has fueled terrorism and helped
galvanize terrorist organizations. And it has made the world less
safe.
That is why I advocate a phased redeployment of U.S. troops out of
Iraq to begin no later than May first with the goal of removing all
combat forces from Iraq by March 2008. In a civil war where no
military solution exists, this redeployment remains our best leverage
to pressure the Iraqi government to achieve the political settlement
between its warring factions that can slow the bloodshed and promote
stability.
My plan also allows for a limited number of U.S. troops to remain and
prevent Iraq from becoming a haven for international terrorism and
reduce the risk of all-out chaos. In addition, we will redeploy our
troops to other locations in the region, reassuring our allies that we
will stay engaged in the Middle East.
...The U.S. military has performed valiantly and brilliantly in Iraq.
Our troops have done all that we have asked them to do and more. But a
consequence of the Administration's failed strategy in Iraq has been
to strengthen Iran's strategic position; reduce U.S. credibility and
influence in the region; and place Israel and other nations friendly
to the United States in greater peril.
...Iran's President Ahmadinejad's regime is a threat to all of us. His
words contain a chilling echo of some of the world's most tragic
history.
Unfortunately, history has a terrible way of repeating itself.
President Ahmadinejad has denied the Holocaust. He held a conference
in his country, claiming it was a myth. But we know the Holocaust was
as real as the 6 million who died in mass graves at Buchenwald, or the
cattle cars to Dachau or whose ashes clouded the sky at Auschwitz. We
have seen the pictures. We have walked the halls of the Holocaust
museum in Washington and Yad Vashem. We have touched the tattoos on
loved-ones arms. After 60 years, it is time to deny the deniers.
In the 21st century, it is unacceptable that a member state of the
United Nations would openly call for the elimination of another member
state. But that is exactly what he has done. Neither Israel nor the
United States has the luxury of dismissing these outrages as mere
rhetoric.
The world must work to stop Iran's uranium enrichment program and
prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It is far too dangerous
to have nuclear weapons in the hands of a radical theocracy. And while
we should take no option, including military action, off the table,
sustained and aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions
should be our primary means to prevent Iran from building nuclear
weapons.
Iranian nuclear weapons would destabilize the region and could set off
a new arms race. Some nations in the region, such as Egypt, Saudi
Arabia and Turkey, could fall away from restraint and rush into a
nuclear contest that could fuel greater instability in the region
that's not just bad for the Middle East, but bad for the world, making
it a vastly more dangerous and unpredictable place. Other nations
would feel great pressure to accommodate Iranian demands. Terrorist
groups with Iran's backing would feel emboldened to act even more
brazenly under an Iranian nuclear umbrella. And as the A.Q. Kahn
network in Pakistan demonstrated, Iran could spread this technology
around the world.
...We have no quarrel with the Iranian people. They know that
President Ahamadinejad is reckless, irresponsible, and inattentive to
their day-to-day needs which is why they sent him a rebuke at the
ballot box this fall. And we hope more of them will speak out. There
is great hope in their ability to see his hatred for what it is:
hatred and a threat to peace in the region.
At the same time, we must preserve our total commitment to our unique
defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance
and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs.
This would help Israel maintain its military edge and deter and repel
attacks from as far as Tehran and as close as Gaza.
And when Israel is attacked, we must stand up for Israel's legitimate
right to defend itself. "
And we all know what that means.You need to do your homework on the
candidates you might support,so you know exactly what you are voting
for.
Out of Iraq,and into Iran.
Roger
bearti...@gmail.com
wrote:
<snip>
> The world must work to stop Iran's uranium enrichment program and
> prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It is far too dangerous
> to have nuclear weapons in the hands of a radical theocracy. And while
> we should take no option, including military action, off the table,
> sustained and aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions
> should be our primary means to prevent Iran from building nuclear
> weapons.
> And we all know what that means.You need to do your homework on the
> candidates you might support,so you know exactly what you are voting
> for.
You seem to think you're bringing us news. This speech should be very
familiar to those who remember the intense media coverage it got. Its
saber-rattling tone was why I initially opposed Obama. Unfortunately,
we in the US have a "first past the post" system. That means we must,
if we wish our vote to have any influence, pick the candidate that has
the best chance of winning and is the best fit to our values and
opinions. Of the three candidates who currently have a shot at the
presidency, that candidate, for me, is Obama. Anyone who argues that
we should vote for the candidate that best fits our views, regardless
of his chances of winning, should run as a write-in candidate and vote
for himself.
John
Sacqueboutier
The dirty little secret is that none of the candidates
are really going to pull out of Iraq. Not McCain.
Not Hillary. Not even Barack. The former two are
just saying so to appeal to their left wing base.
Ain't gonna happen.
ansermetniac
Didn't Nixon say he will get us out of Vietnam, while campaigning in
1968?
Abbedd
Sacqueboutier
True. Do you really think these two are less
of liars than any other politician when it comes
to getting elected? Both have already been
caught in multiple lies.
O
<Nos...@somewhere.net> wrote:
> >
> > Didn't Nixon say he will get us out of Vietnam, while campaigning in
> > 1968?
> >
> > Abbedd
>
> True. Do you really think these two are less
> of liars than any other politician when it comes
> to getting elected? Both have already been
> caught in multiple lies.
And when liberals complain about the lying lies of George Bush, it
rather cramps the style of the Democrats (witness Hillary's latest
"sniper fire" incident).
-Owen
Sacqueboutier
...or even worse, Barack's claims he had no knowledge of
his pastor's worldviews or his dealings with the Canadian
government regarding his stance on NAFTA.
O
<Nos...@somewhere.net> wrote:
Will the Democrats accept only non-lying candidates?
Bring back George Washington and the Cherry Tree.
-Owen
thoren...@yahoo.com
> On 2008-03-28 11:38:07 -0400, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> said:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:52:43 -0500, "Norman M. Schwartz"
>
> >> "ansermetniac" <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
You know that.I know that.But how many of the Obamobots know that ?
I got all sorts of grief from supposedly independent left-wing message
boards,when I said,before the ought-six elections,that electing
Democrats to Congress will not end the war(s),or bring about
impeachment.These same boards,are all abuzz over O-bomb-a,for much the
same reason.I have learned my lesson about these people,and no longer
waste my time at these places.We will never get any real change in
this country,until we see real grassroots,populist movements,that are
completely divorced from the corporate-owned Republicrat party/
parties.With a brief interlude,during The New Deal,neither of the
major parties,have represented the interests of the wealthiest of the
corporate,and financial elites.And people wonder why I am a socialist-
anarchist.
There is very little difference between Obama (Who regularly praises
Reagan after all.),and McCorpse.Who, you may recall,had nothing good
to say about the likes of John Hagee,in 2000.
Roger
david...@aol.com
> There is very little difference between Obama (Who regularly praises
> Reagan after all.),and McCorpse.Who, you may recall,had nothing good
> to say about the likes of John Hagee,in 2000.
Do you think there was little difference between Gore and Bush in
2000? Do you think we'd have invaded Iraq on trumped up evidence if
Gore had been in the White House?
-david gable
david...@aol.com
"...or even worse, Barack's claims he had no knowledge of his pastor's
worldviews or his dealings with the Canadian government regarding his
stance on NAFTA."
As Mark Twain once said, a lie gets halfway around the world before
the truth gets its shoes on. On Thursday, February 28, the Canadian
embassy in Washington called the CTV story about Senator Obama
"untrue": "The Canadian Embassy confirmed that at no time has any
member of a Presidential campaign called the Canadian Ambassador or
any official at the Embassy to discuss NAFTA. Last night the Canadian
television network, CTV, falsely reported that such calls had been
made. That story is untrue. Neither before nor since the Ohio debate
has any Presidential campaign called Ambassador Wilson or the Embassy
to raise NAFTA." (For one source of this quotation, see http://tinyurl.com/28menq)
Nor is what you write an accurate representation of what Obama has
claimed about his relationship to Reverend Wright. Obama only claimed
that he wasn't present when the outrageous televised statements of the
Reverend Wright were made. He conceded that he had some idea of the
Reverend's more outrageous views. Call that Clintonesque parsing of
the truth if you must, but nobody has disproved his claim. Even more
courageously, Obama attempted to explain his relationship to the
Reverend in a way that only the more stupid white people would fail to
understand. As an African-American friend said to me the other day,
every black person has within his circle of friends people with a
range of views on the subject of white people, and it's not terribly
surprising that some of the more angry among them hold irrational
views exactly like Wright's. The one and only reason Obama could have
had for entirely divorcing himself from Wright -- the analogy to a
crazy old uncle was exactly right -- is for political gain. He took a
more difficult path.
The only part of the electorate that really believes that Obama
secretly subscribes to views analogous to the Reverend's would not
vote for him in any case. The Sacqueboutier himself probably doesn't
believe that Obama subscribes to such views.
-david gable
bearti...@gmail.com
wrote:
Given that there is no such (effective) movement afoot, what do you
suggest we do in the meantime?
> With a brief interlude,during The New Deal,neither of the
> major parties,have represented the interests of the wealthiest of the
> corporate,and financial elites.And people wonder why I am a socialist-
> anarchist.
Me, I wonder why you don't put spaces after your punctuation marks.
Why is that?
J