Debussy Preludes Book 2 -- Richter
mandryka
in 1967 -one from Spoleto, one from Budapest and one from Moscow.
I only have the one from Budapest and I don't really intend to get
either of the other two unless someone who has compared them can
convince me there's a good reason to do so.
The reason for that is that the Budapest recording is so indescribably
sublime and so well recorded that it's hard to imagine that it is
surpassed. This sets a new high point for Book 2. We have one of the
great pianists playing at the height of his powers - the energy, the
poetry, the way he reveals details of the music, the élan, the éclat,
the joy, the sadness, the colour, the rhythmic precision, the clarity
of the textures, the warmth, the sweep blah blah blah is, quite
frankly, and with no exaggeration, superhuman.
Let me be clear. Before I heard this I had no idea that Pickwick was
such a magnificent thing. I always thought it was just a bit of fun.
And I had no idea that Canope or Les Tierces Alternées could be made
to sound quite so important, quite such major works of art.
Who else can compete with this in Book 2? Michelangeli recorded it too
late, though there are some tantalising earlier preludes from him on
youtube. Cortot never recorded it. Someone else can praise Livia Rèv.
All I'll say is that her Hyperion Book 2 is no big deal. Someone else
can praise Gieseking too. And maybe someone who knows Rouvier (not me)
can attest for the quality of that recording.
Of all the records I know, only Paul Jacobs can compete with Richter
in Book 2.
pianomaven
And not really.
Prewar Giseking would qualify.
TD
herman
I take it this is in the Richter in Hungary box? I would like to hear
that one. I like Rouvier a lot, and several other recordings. I also
tend to be sceptical of Holy Grail recordings.
operafan
> in 1967 -one from Spoleto, one from Budapest and one from Moscow.
There are several others. This section from the trovar.com lists the
Spoleto performance (which I have, and love), plus several others--not
including the Moscow performance you mentioned:
Preludes, Book 2 complete
* (the Maltings, Snape, 16 June 1967)
o BBC Legends BBCL 4021 (CD 1999)
* (Aldeburgh, 18 June 1967) [ or Prague, 17 March 1968 ? ]
o Nuova Era 2311 (CD)
o AS Disc 340 (CD)
o Living Stage LS 4035150 (CD) [ labelled "Prague, 1968" ]
* (Spoleto, 14 July 1967)
o Turnabout 34360 (LP)
o Ariston "Super Oscar Auditorio Classico" SPO 1038 (LP)
o Vox CT-4360 (MC)
o Vox / Nippon Columbia HRS-1501-VX (LP 1972)
* (Prague, 17 March 1968) [ or Budapest, 26 Aug 1967 ? ]
o Pyramid 13507 (CD)
Steve Emerson
<904a1f82-cfaf-4e1c...@p26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> There are now three records of Richter playing Book 2 of the Pr锟絣udes
> in 1967 -one from Spoleto, one from Budapest and one from Moscow.
There's also the Aldeburgh recording, readily available on BBC Legends.
> I only have the one from Budapest and I don't really intend to get
> either of the other two unless someone who has compared them can
> convince me there's a good reason to do so.
Has the Spoleto ever appeared on CD? I only know it and the Aldeburgh,
so can't compare anything with Budapest. Aldeburgh is June 1967, Spoleto
July 1967, and the Budapest follows, in August 1967. For whatever
reason, the Spoleto is much more vivid to me than the Aldeburgh. It's a
terrific performance.
> The reason for that is that the Budapest recording is so indescribably
> sublime and so well recorded that it's hard to imagine that it is
> surpassed. This sets a new high point for Book 2. We have one of the
> great pianists playing at the height of his powers - the energy, the
> poetry, the way he reveals details of the music, the 锟絣an, the 锟絚lat,
> the joy, the sadness, the colour, the rhythmic precision, the clarity
> of the textures, the warmth, the sweep blah blah blah is, quite
> frankly, and with no exaggeration, superhuman.
>
> Let me be clear. Before I heard this I had no idea that Pickwick was
> such a magnificent thing. I always thought it was just a bit of fun.
> And I had no idea that Canope or Les Tierces Altern锟絜s could be made
> to sound quite so important, quite such major works of art.
>
> Who else can compete with this in Book 2? Michelangeli recorded it too
> late, though there are some tantalising earlier preludes from him on
> youtube. Cortot never recorded it. Someone else can praise Livia R锟絭.
> All I'll say is that her Hyperion Book 2 is no big deal. Someone else
> can praise Gieseking too. And maybe someone who knows Rouvier (not me)
> can attest for the quality of that recording.
>
> Of all the records I know, only Paul Jacobs can compete with Richter
> in Book 2.
Ericourt's Preludes are utterly interesting and completely compelling.
As I've said many times, the engineers who transferred the Kapp vinyl to
CD for Ivory Classics and the Univ. of North Carolina-Greensboro managed
to take a warm and attractive piano sound achieved by E. Alan Silver and
turn it into something tinny and ugly. The use of a treble control can
make the CDs somewhat more listenable.
SE.
pianomaven
> In article
> <904a1f82-cfaf-4e1c-99ab-eea3045a1...@p26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> mandryka <howie.st...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > There are now three records of Richter playing Book 2 of the Préludes
> > in 1967 -one from Spoleto, one from Budapest and one from Moscow.
>
> There's also the Aldeburgh recording, readily available on BBC Legends.
>
> > I only have the one from Budapest and I don't really intend to get
> > either of the other two unless someone who has compared them can
> > convince me there's a good reason to do so.
>
> Has the Spoleto ever appeared on CD? I only know it and the Aldeburgh,
> so can't compare anything with Budapest. Aldeburgh is June 1967, Spoleto
> July 1967, and the Budapest follows, in August 1967. For whatever
> reason, the Spoleto is much more vivid to me than the Aldeburgh. It's a
> terrific performance.
>
>
>
>
>
> > The reason for that is that the Budapest recording is so indescribably
> > sublime and so well recorded that it's hard to imagine that it is
> > surpassed. This sets a new high point for Book 2. We have one of the
> > great pianists playing at the height of his powers - the energy, the
> > the joy, the sadness, the colour, the rhythmic precision, the clarity
> > of the textures, the warmth, the sweep blah blah blah is, quite
> > frankly, and with no exaggeration, superhuman.
>
> > Let me be clear. Before I heard this I had no idea that Pickwick was
> > such a magnificent thing. I always thought it was just a bit of fun.
> > to sound quite so important, quite such major works of art.
>
> > Who else can compete with this in Book 2? Michelangeli recorded it too
> > late, though there are some tantalising earlier preludes from him on
> > All I'll say is that her Hyperion Book 2 is no big deal. Someone else
> > can praise Gieseking too. And maybe someone who knows Rouvier (not me)
> > can attest for the quality of that recording.
>
> > Of all the records I know, only Paul Jacobs can compete with Richter
> > in Book 2.
>
> Ericourt's Preludes are utterly interesting and completely compelling.
> As I've said many times, the engineers who transferred the Kapp vinyl to
> CD for Ivory Classics and the Univ. of North Carolina-Greensboro managed
> to take a warm and attractive piano sound achieved by E. Alan Silver and
> turn it into something tinny and ugly. The use of a treble control can
> make the CDs somewhat more listenable.
The master-tapes sit in Hannover, alas, but nobody bothered to license
them for that reissue. Very sad.
TD
mandryka
details of the recordings I mentioned in the OP.
The Budapest is in the Hungary Box which Ranki edited, Herman.
And the Spoleto has just be put onto CD Steve, here
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0040T7CO4/ref=cm_cd_asin_lnk
The one from Moscow is here
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/CD/MELCD1001622.htm
Can I ask you for a favour? I would like to hear the Ericourt set but
I have always been put off by the warnings about sound quality. Could
someone upload on mediafire or rapidshare just one little prelude so
that I can get a feel for whether I want to have the whole set -- one
with representative sound quality.
I was wrong to suggest that Jacobs competes with Richter -- as TD was
quick to notice. I played Jacobs last night and by comparison with
Richter he is drab, drab, drab.
mandryka
Pludermacher (Lyrinx) the other day. You can download them very
cheaply and in very high quality MP3 so I thought I would take a punt.
I've ony listened to a handful of etudes and the end of Bk 2 of the
preludes.
First impressions : Very good. Very very good. Structurally coherent,
very clear voices, exciting at times because he is so rhythmically
incisive. Reminds me a bit of ABM in terms of tonal feel. On the
Etudes Boffard is more intense, more full of internal tension and
dramatic contrasts, and so maybe overall more successful.
mandryka
>
> Prewar Giseking would qualify.
>
> TD- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'll listen to that again -- I've got it on your Great Pianists.
Can someone tell me -- is it worth investing in the VAI transfer? Or
is there so little music on the master tapes that it makes precious
little difference really?
herman
> In article
> <904a1f82-cfaf-4e1c-99ab-eea3045a1...@p26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > There are now three records of Richter playing Book 2 of the Préludes
> > in 1967 -one from Spoleto, one from Budapest and one from Moscow.
>
> There's also the Aldeburgh recording, readily available on BBC Legends.
>
> > I only have the one from Budapest and I don't really intend to get
> > either of the other two unless someone who has compared them can
> > convince me there's a good reason to do so.
>
> Has the Spoleto ever appeared on CD? I only know it and the Aldeburgh,
> so can't compare anything with Budapest. Aldeburgh is June 1967, Spoleto
> July 1967, and the Budapest follows, in August 1967. For whatever
> reason, the Spoleto is much more vivid to me than the Aldeburgh. It's a
> terrific performance.
>
>
>
>
>
> > The reason for that is that the Budapest recording is so indescribably
> > sublime and so well recorded that it's hard to imagine that it is
> > surpassed. This sets a new high point for Book 2. We have one of the
> > great pianists playing at the height of his powers - the energy, the
> > the joy, the sadness, the colour, the rhythmic precision, the clarity
> > of the textures, the warmth, the sweep blah blah blah is, quite
> > frankly, and with no exaggeration, superhuman.
>
> > Let me be clear. Before I heard this I had no idea that Pickwick was
> > such a magnificent thing. I always thought it was just a bit of fun.
> > to sound quite so important, quite such major works of art.
>
> > Who else can compete with this in Book 2? Michelangeli recorded it too
> > late, though there are some tantalising earlier preludes from him on
> > All I'll say is that her Hyperion Book 2 is no big deal. Someone else
> > can praise Gieseking too. And maybe someone who knows Rouvier (not me)
> > can attest for the quality of that recording.
>
> > Of all the records I know, only Paul Jacobs can compete with Richter
> > in Book 2.
>
> Ericourt's Preludes are utterly interesting and completely compelling.
> As I've said many times, the engineers who transferred the Kapp vinyl to
> CD for Ivory Classics and the Univ. of North Carolina-Greensboro managed
> to take a warm and attractive piano sound achieved by E. Alan Silver and
> turn it into something tinny and ugly. The use of a treble control can
> make the CDs somewhat more listenable.
>
> SE.
I think I'll order the Richter in Spoleto cd.
I'm just allergic to these cd-boxes that are so big you don't listen
to half the contents, like the R in Prague and the R in Budapest.
Alan Cooper
news:emersn-5188B7....@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net:
> In article
> <904a1f82-cfaf-4e1c...@p26g2000yqb.googlegroups.co
> m>,
> mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> There are now three records of Richter playing Book 2 of the
>> Pr�ludes in 1967 -one from Spoleto, one from Budapest and one
>> from Moscow.
>
> There's also the Aldeburgh recording, readily available on BBC
> Legends.
>
>> I only have the one from Budapest and I don't really intend to
>> get either of the other two unless someone who has compared
>> them can convince me there's a good reason to do so.
>
> Has the Spoleto ever appeared on CD? I only know it and the
> Aldeburgh, so can't compare anything with Budapest. Aldeburgh is
> June 1967, Spoleto July 1967, and the Budapest follows, in
> August 1967. For whatever reason, the Spoleto is much more vivid
> to me than the Aldeburgh. It's a terrific performance.
I knew only Spoleto (Turnabout LP) before acquiring the Budapest set, and both are
sublime. Unless subsequent issues of Spoleto have improved the sound, Budapest is
preferable for that reason alone; I don't hear a big difference in performance
quality. While there are other recordings that I enjoy (Ciani's and Cassard's
come immediately to mind), none that I know can equal Richter's.
AC
pianomaven
There are no master-tapes. Prewar means 78 RPM recordings. If there
are differences they won't amount to a hill of beans. Curiously EMI,
who own these recordings, have never reissued them. Ever!
TD
JohnGavin
> Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote innews:emersn-5188B7....@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <904a1f82-cfaf-4e1c-99ab-eea3045a1...@p26g2000yqb.googlegroups.co
> > m>,
> > mandryka <howie.st...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> There are now three records of Richter playing Book 2 of the
> >> from Moscow.
>
> > There's also the Aldeburgh recording, readily available on BBC
> > Legends.
>
> >> I only have the one from Budapest and I don't really intend to
> >> get either of the other two unless someone who has compared
> >> them can convince me there's a good reason to do so.
>
> > Has the Spoleto ever appeared on CD? I only know it and the
> > Aldeburgh, so can't compare anything with Budapest. Aldeburgh is
> > June 1967, Spoleto July 1967, and the Budapest follows, in
> > August 1967. For whatever reason, the Spoleto is much more vivid
> > to me than the Aldeburgh. It's a terrific performance.
>
> I knew only Spoleto (Turnabout LP) before acquiring the Budapest set, and both are
> sublime. Unless subsequent issues of Spoleto have improved the sound, Budapest is
> preferable for that reason alone; I don't hear a big difference in performance
> quality. While there are other recordings that I enjoy (Ciani's and Cassard's
> come immediately to mind), none that I know can equal Richter's.
>
> AC
I had the Turnabout - lots of wonderful things in it, but I may be
alone in objecting to Richter's high-strung quality in Debussy.
I don't find the ABM DG recording to have been too late.
I would take the ZImerman over Richter, but that's just me.
mandryka
I can see why you say he's highly strung -- I've re-framed it as
spontaneous
It’s interesting to compare what Michelangeli was doing with Bk 2 in
1961 with what he did for DG in the 70s. Here’s an extract from
youtube, from a VAI DVD of a recital in Turin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHbasmikaoc
It would be really nice if someone could find more of him in Bk 2 from
this period. I love the way he plays Canope & Bruyere there -- but on
DG there's much less poetry I think.
I would say some of his DG Bk 2 is extremely disappointing -- "La
terrasse des audiences au clair de lune", for example is, to my ears,
not very nice at all. Nasty.
For me Zimerman is a bit to externalised – as if this music is a set
of big concert pieces by Liszt or something.
Steve Emerson
<8b75da5d-a786-4cb9...@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 17, 4:08�pm, JohnGavin <dagd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On Oct 17, 8:13�am, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote
> > > innews:emersn-5188B7....@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <904a1f82-cfaf-4e1c-99ab-eea3045a1...@p26g2000yqb.googlegroups.co
> > > > m>,
> > > > �mandryka <howie.st...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> There are now three records of Richter playing Book 2 of the
> > > >> Pr�ludes in 1967 -one from Spoleto, one from Budapest and one
> For me Zimerman is a bit too externalised � as if this music is a set
> of big concert pieces by Liszt or something.
There's probably something in that. I wouldn't say that Zimerman is
exactly idiomatic, but I do find it attractive.
For whatever reason, I seem to be willing to entertain many different
approaches to this music, and I don't get very doctrinaire about how it
should be played (as I often do).
I'm not sure Richter is exactly high-strung, but I do find something a
little uncomfortable about his Preludes, terrific though they are. I
would say he isn't exactly idiomatic either.
I like ABM's DG Book 2 better than you do. The sound was better on Book
1, which IIRC was analog.
Besides those and especially Ericourt, I'm partial to Catherine Collard,
Ciani (seconding Alan here), and Claude Helffer on Harmonia Mundi,
although I still don't know it as well as I know the others. There are
also another half-dozen or so sets here that I've found interesting
enough to keep.
SE.
gperkins151
>
> For me Zimerman is a bit to externalised – as if this music is a set
> of big concert pieces by Liszt or something.
Yes, it calls into question Debussy's request for a piano without
hammers.
George
gperkins151
> I'm partial to Catherine Collard,
> Ciani (seconding Alan here),
Is that the Ciani that's in the Brilliant box?
George
Steve Emerson
<f5291807-8447-453a...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Sorry -- I've obviously annoyed people because I didn't include
> details of the recordings I mentioned in the OP.
>
> The Budapest is in the Hangary Box which Ranki edited, Herman.
>
> And the Spoleto has just be put onto CD Steve, here
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0040T7CO4/ref=cm_cd_asin_lnk
>
> The one from Moscow is here
>
> http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/CD/MELCD1001622.htm
>
> Can I ask you for a favour. I would like to hear the Erincourt set but
> I have always been put off by the warnings about sound quality. Could
> someone upload on mediafire or rapidshare just one little prelude so
> that I can get a feel for whether I want to have the whole set -- one
> with representative sound quality?
I will do this in the next few days, with a track or two from the vinyl
for comparison.
After relistening this morning to Book 2, via CD, however, I will tell
you that these performances are so strong and so unusual that I think,
with your interests and collecting proclivities, you need to just pick
up the set despite the drawbacks of its sound.
Ericourt is interesting in all the works, btw, from stuff like Cahier
d'Esquisses to Images to Etudes.
SE.
Alan Cooper
news:c6c05e6f-6e86-442b...@g13g2000yqj.googlegroups.
com:
Assuming that the Brilliant box is a collection of Ciani's DG recordings, then the
answer is "yes."
AC
pianomaven
No, John, it's just your hero-worship.
TD
pianomaven
> In article
> <f5291807-8447-453a-8a41-09da5926f...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
I have the original stereo Lps and the sound there can be less than
ideal. Kapp's pressings, you know. But Silver's master tapes should be
just fine.
TD
JohnGavin
For Zimerman - no, you're really off there. I'm not a ZImerman
fanatic, I just appreciate his good qualities.
Hero worship would be your indiscriminate adoration of Nelson
Friere :) He's fine sometimes, but you really overrate him.
pianomaven
I don't "adore" NF. He's a close friend whose work I admire
enormously. Nothing indiscriminate either, as he would be the first to
tell you.
Overrate? I haven't even "rated" him, John. Perhaps you can find such
words from me? I doubt that very much indeed.
TD
JohnGavin
Well then, why jump to the conclusion from one post that my Debussy/
Zimerman recommendation is "hero-worship"?
Can you find any real evidence of that?
By the way, nothing wrong with adoring NF - but I never remember you
writing a single critical view of his work, and you have commented on
him quite frequently in the past.
Your friendship does make me wonder whether your comments are
influenced by personal feelings - it's understandable, but not
completely objective.
pianomaven
Not hard, actually.
You have been routinely extravagant in your praise of KZ in recent
months. Am I the only one to notice it?
Whereas the "rating" and "indiscriminate adoration" (your own words,
John) are completely without basis in fact.
> By the way, nothing wrong with adoring NF - but I never remember you
> writing a single critical view of his work, and you have commented on
> him quite frequently in the past.
He is a marvelous pianist, a bit crazy, but aren't we all?
> Your friendship does make me wonder whether your comments are
> influenced by personal feelings - it's understandable, but not
> completely objective.
Nothing in life is completely objective. I am astonished that you
should use these words.
Both KZ and NF have been in my home at various times. Such visits are
only a sign of my esteem for their work. NF, however, is also a
personal friend and has been for 30 years.
That said, unless I have a positive reaction to either I am unlikely
to comment here, John. More likely to gem personally whe I see them
next.
M. A.
>
> I still think it's worth the $100+ for the Hungary box for the Mirrois
> alone ;)
Are these so much better than the Miroirs from the Prague box?
M. A.
Al Eisner
> I knew only Spoleto (Turnabout LP) before acquiring the Budapest set, and both are
> sublime. Unless subsequent issues of Spoleto have improved the sound, Budapest is
> preferable for that reason alone; I don't hear a big difference in performance
> quality. While there are other recordings that I enjoy (Ciani's and Cassard's
> come immediately to mind), none that I know can equal Richter's.
# From the Musical Concepts webpage:
# First authorized release of Sviatoslav Richter's legendary Spoleto
# recital of 14 June 1967, remastered from original archival materials
#
[snipped]
#
# The present recording was made in the early years of Richter's career
# as a touring soloist in the West. Originally released on two separate
# Turnabout LPs, they have since become collector's items. The present
# CD release, carefully restored from sources in Vox/Turnabout's US
# archive, marks their first official release since the LP era in the
# best possible sound.
Not entirely clear, but doesn't sound promising for better sound than
on the LPs. [Still, I doubt I would be bothered by the sound -- so
long as they didn't import the audience from Sofia -- and the single-CD
choice is one I'm much more likely to go for.]
--
Al Eisner
Lena
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Alan Cooper wrote:
> > I knew only Spoleto (Turnabout LP) before acquiring the Budapest set, and both are
> > sublime. Unless subsequent issues of Spoleto have improved the sound, Budapest is
> > preferable for that reason alone; I don't hear a big difference in
> Not entirely clear, but doesn't sound promising for better sound than
> on the LPs. [Still, I doubt I would be bothered by the sound -- so
> long as they didn't import the audience from Sofia --
The audience in Sofia was probably too ill to travel far... (though
some of them made it to Prague, unfortunately).
Lena
mandryka
> "mandryka" <howie.st...@googlemail.com> wrote...
I deleted that post because I made a mistake.
I should have typed:
> > I still think it's worth the $100+ for the Hungary box for the VALSES
> > alone ;)
And yes, these are by far the best Valses IN RICHTER'S STYLE that I
have heard. Rather like the ones in the Prague box, but with good
sound. A superb recording.
I should add that I love this music.
Steve Emerson
<f5291807-8447-453a...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Can I ask you for a favour. I would like to hear the Ericourt set but
> I have always been put off by the warnings about sound quality. Could
> someone upload on mediafire or rapidshare just one little prelude so
> that I can get a feel for whether I want to have the whole set -- one
> with representative sound quality?
Following up further:
You can find here the first three preludes of Ericourt's Book 2, via
both the Ivory Classics CD release and, for comparison, my transfer from
the Kapp stereo LP. The record was not in perfect shape; but then, at
this point, who is?
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4q858j9ftr0586s/Ericourt+MysteryDebussy.zip
Also -- the late Mario's amazing joie de vivre was always evident when
the topic was blindfold listening. So naturally I've included a mystery
pianist, in two preludes from Book 1. I'll be interested in any thoughts
on these, or in the event -- guesses.
SE.
Steve Emerson
<Pine.SOC.4.64.10...@flora01.slac.stanford.edu>,
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
Samples available chez Amazon suggest decent sound; not to mention a
better-than-decent price.
SE.
mandryka
mind blowing, intense Hommage to Rameau. The repeated notes in the
base just before the central (third) dance sequence are, quite loaded
with poetry.
Good sound -- and much more interesting to own than the Carnegie hall
one, I think.
Roll over Michelangeli.
I think that Hommage to Rameau is my favourite piano piece by
Debussy.
pianomaven
I can't figure out why so many here are balking at the Hungarian box.
It's got some really great and unique things on it which make it a
must have for Richter enthusiasts, I would have thought. Maybe since
Kiev and Prague they are fiancially exhausted?
TD
SPAM- @xs4all.nl HvT
"Steve Emerson" <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> schreef in bericht
news:emersn-78A781....@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net...
An excellent idea to honour Mario this way, Steve! .Although it's not his
1978 recording of the Preludes, I have the impression that the mystery
pianist is Michelangeli. I know no one else who is so non-impressionistic,
and has such a beautiful tone. I'm looking forward to hear who it really
is!!
Henk
weary flake
mandryka
> In article
> <f5291807-8447-453a-8a41-09da5926f...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > Can I ask you for a favour. I would like to hear the Ericourt set but
> > I have always been put off by the warnings about sound quality. Could
> > someone upload on mediafire or rapidshare just one little prelude so
> > that I can get a feel for whether I want to have the whole set -- one
> > with representative sound quality?
>
> Following up further:
>
> You can find here the first three preludes of Ericourt's Book 2, via
> both the Ivory Classics CD release and, for comparison, my transfer from
> the Kapp stereo LP. The record was not in perfect shape; but then, at
> this point, who is?
>
>
> Also -- the late Mario's amazing joie de vivre was always evident when
> the topic was blindfold listening. So naturally I've included a mystery
> pianist, in two preludes from Book 1. I'll be interested in any thoughts
> on these, or in the event -- guesses.
>
> SE.
Thanks for that. I've ordered the Ericourt -- I can see why you like
it.
The mystery remains. I thought Pludermacher. But no, at least not on
the studio recording. But it could. be another one. The tone is like
Pludermacher's. Then I thought Planes -- I have never heard it but I
have read that he is clean and clear. But no -- I think he recorded
the preludes on a Beschtein -- and this doesn't sound like a
Bechstien. It's not Ciani -- too much sense of humour. Then I
thought Weissenberg. But he didn't record it (shame-- I like his
Debussy) . I've never heard Kocsis and I don't think it sounds like
him.
So no idea. That's going to niggle me now.
Steve Emerson
Hi Henk,
Thanks for listening to this. That first prelude by the mystery player
does sound like ABM in many ways, doesn't it? Almost more ABM-like than
ABM.
I hope we'll get a few more responses. Either way, I'll identify in a
day or two.
SE.
Steve Emerson
<2d65e289-1271-401d...@h7g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Howard:
Good call on the humor in "Minstrels." Isn't it remarkable how few
pianists do anything at all with that humor (or in "S�r�nade Interrompue
either).
This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the ones you
mention. It's also not Helffer, Rog�, Beroff, Bavouzet, or Werner or
Monique Haas....
SE.
mandryka
> either).
>
> This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the ones you
> Monique Haas....
>
> SE.
Albert Ferber
Steve Emerson
<f71b14de-5be7-4d74...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >http://www.mediafire.com/file/4q858j9ftr0586s/Ericourt+MysteryDebussy...
> >
[...]
> > > Thanks for that. I've ordered the Ericourt -- I can see why you like
> > > it.
> >
> > > The mystery remains. I thought Pludermacher. But no, at least not on
> > > the studio recording. But it could. be another one. The tone is like
> > > Pludermacher's. Then I thought Planes -- I have never heard it but I
> > > have read that he is clean and clear. But no -- I think he recorded
> > > the preludes on a Beschtein -- and this doesn't sound like a
> > > Bechstien. �It's not Ciani -- too much sense of �humour. Then I
> > > thought Weissenberg. But he didn't record it (shame-- I like his
> > > Debussy) . I've never heard Kocsis and I don't think it sounds like
> > > him.
> >
> > > So no idea. That's going to niggle me now.
> >
> > Hi Howard:
> >
> > Good call on the humor in "Minstrels." Isn't it remarkable how few
> > pianists do anything at all with that humor (or in "S�r�nade Interrompue
> > either).
> >
> > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the ones you
> > mention. It's also not Helffer, Rog�, Beroff, Bavouzet, or Werner or
> > Monique Haas....
> >
> > SE.
>
> Albert Ferber
That's off the beaten path, OK. But, no.
I see just now that the hilariously named "Paul Procopolis" has several
of Ferber's Debussy Etudes up on Youtube. That's the first of his
Debussy that I've heard.
SE.
mandryka
>
> mandryka <howie.st...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > >http://www.mediafire.com/file/4q858j9ftr0586s/Ericourt+MysteryDebussy...
>
> [...]
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Thanks for that. I've ordered the Ericourt -- I can see why you like
> > > > it.
>
> > > > The mystery remains. I thought Pludermacher. But no, at least not on
> > > > the studio recording. But it could. be another one. The tone is like
> > > > Pludermacher's. Then I thought Planes -- I have never heard it but I
> > > > have read that he is clean and clear. But no -- I think he recorded
> > > > the preludes on a Beschtein -- and this doesn't sound like a
> > > > Bechstien. It's not Ciani -- too much sense of humour. Then I
> > > > thought Weissenberg. But he didn't record it (shame-- I like his
> > > > Debussy) . I've never heard Kocsis and I don't think it sounds like
> > > > him.
>
> > > > So no idea. That's going to niggle me now.
>
> > > Hi Howard:
>
> > > Good call on the humor in "Minstrels." Isn't it remarkable how few
> > > either).
>
> > > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the ones you
> > > Monique Haas....
>
> > > SE.
>
> > Albert Ferber
>
> That's off the beaten path, OK. But, no.
>
> I see just now that the hilariously named "Paul Procopolis" has several
> of Ferber's Debussy Etudes up on Youtube. That's the first of his
> Debussy that I've heard.
>
> SE.
Vlado Perlemutter
Steve Emerson
<5b314b8b-2b59-4718...@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the ones you
> > > > mention. It's also not Helffer, Rog�, Beroff, Bavouzet, or Werner or
> > > > Monique Haas....
> >
> > > > SE.
> >
> > > Albert Ferber
> >
> > That's off the beaten path, OK. But, no. �
> >
> > I see just now that the hilariously named "Paul Procopolis" has several
> > of Ferber's Debussy Etudes up on Youtube. That's the first of his
> > Debussy that I've heard.
> >
> > SE.
>
> Vlado Perlemutter
Wouldn't it be nice if Perlemuter had been this good.
The mystery pianist is alive.
SE.
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> Wouldn't it be nice if Perlemuter had been this good.
>
> The mystery pianist is alive.
Moravec is still alive.
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> > Wouldn't it be nice if Perlemuter had been this good.
> >
> > The mystery pianist is alive.
>
> Moravec is still alive.
Ahh -- that is a pretty good guess, I think, especially as to the first
prelude (Danseuses des Delphes). Luxuriance of tone and tempo.
But it isn't Moravec.
SE.
mandryka
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> mandryka <howie.st...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the ones you
> > > > > Monique Haas....
>
> > > > > SE.
>
> > > > Albert Ferber
>
> > > That's off the beaten path, OK. But, no.
>
> > > I see just now that the hilariously named "Paul Procopolis" has several
> > > of Ferber's Debussy Etudes up on Youtube. That's the first of his
> > > Debussy that I've heard.
>
> > > SE.
>
> > Vlado Perlemutter
>
> Wouldn't it be nice if Perlemuter had been this good.
>
> SE.
NOT FAIR!!
I thought it may be him because I was listening to Ravel Valses, and I
thought I detected a bit of a smile, a bit of a twinkle behind they
eye, in one of them.
SPAM- @xs4all.nl HvT
> > > > > > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the
> > > > > > ones you
> > > > > > Monique Haas....
>
> > > > > > SE.
If he or she is still alive it might be Roger Woodward, who has a very
non-impressionistic approach also to Debussy's etudes.
Henk
pianomaven
> > > > > > > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the
> > > > > > > ones you
> > > > > > > Werner or
> > > > > > > Monique Haas....
>
> > > > > > > SE.
>
> If he or she is still alive it might be Roger Woodward, who has a very
> non-impressionistic approach also to Debussy's etudes.
As does Charles Rosen.
I have to say I have not listened here; just going on descriptions.
And Beveridge Webster and Jacques Fevrier are both dead. They, too,
were dry as sticks!
TD
herman
> On Oct 16, 1:01 pm, mandryka <howie.st...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are now three records of Richter playing Book 2 of the Préludes
> > in 1967 -one from Spoleto, one from Budapest and one from Moscow.
>
> Spoleto performance (which I have, and love), plus several others--not
> including the Moscow performance you mentioned:
>
> Preludes, Book 2 complete
>
> * (the Maltings, Snape, 16 June 1967)
> o BBC Legends BBCL 4021 (CD 1999)
> * (Aldeburgh, 18 June 1967) [ or Prague, 17 March 1968 ? ]
> o Nuova Era 2311 (CD)
> o AS Disc 340 (CD)
> o Living Stage LS 4035150 (CD) [ labelled "Prague, 1968" ]
> * (Spoleto, 14 July 1967)
> o Turnabout 34360 (LP)
> o Ariston "Super Oscar Auditorio Classico" SPO 1038 (LP)
> o Vox CT-4360 (MC)
> o Vox / Nippon Columbia HRS-1501-VX (LP 1972)
> * (Prague, 17 March 1968) [ or Budapest, 26 Aug 1967 ? ]
> o Pyramid 13507 (CD)
Just got the Spoleto recital on a Musical Concepts cd
Matthew B. Tepper
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>> > > > > > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the
>> > > > > > ones you mention. It's also not Helffer, Rog�, Beroff,
>> > > > > > Bavouzet, or Werner or Monique Haas....
>
> If he or she is still alive it might be Roger Woodward, who has a very
> non-impressionistic approach also to Debussy's etudes.
If it's supposed to be someone you wouldn't expect to be quite this good, how
about Entremont?
MiNe 109
"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> >> > > > > > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the
> >> > > > > > ones you mention. It's also not Helffer, Rog�, Beroff,
> >> > > > > > Bavouzet, or Werner or Monique Haas....
> >
> > If he or she is still alive it might be Roger Woodward, who has a very
> > non-impressionistic approach also to Debussy's etudes.
>
> If it's supposed to be someone you wouldn't expect to be quite this good, how
> about Entremont?
I was pleasantly surprised by Barenboim in the first book of preludes,
but I suppose he should be good.
Stephen
Ray Hall
>
> Lena
> (To SE: apologies. AYK, my knowledge of Debussy pianists is too
> limited to make serious contributions here.)
No it isn't. All we need to know are the pianists you admire most in
Debussy. And why.
;)
Ray Hall, Taree
Steve Emerson
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> >> > > > > > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the
> >> > > > > > ones you mention. It's also not Helffer, Rog�, Beroff,
> >> > > > > > Bavouzet, or Werner or Monique Haas....
> >
> > If he or she is still alive it might be Roger Woodward, who has a very
> > non-impressionistic approach also to Debussy's etudes.
>
> If it's supposed to be someone you wouldn't expect to be quite this good,
What gave you that idea?
> how about Entremont?
It isn't Entremont.
SE.
Steve Emerson
"HvT" <hvtuijl- SPAM- @xs4all.nl> wrote:
It isn't Woodward.
SE.
Steve Emerson
<849843bc-744a-400c...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
pianomaven <1pian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 25, 5:33�am, "HvT" <hvtuijl- SPAM- @xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > > > > > > > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the
> > > > > > > > ones you
> > > > > > > > mention. It's also not Helffer, Rog�, Beroff, Bavouzet, or
> > > > > > > > Werner or
> > > > > > > > Monique Haas....
> >
> > > > > > > > SE.
> >
> > If he or she is still alive it might be Roger Woodward, who has a very
> > non-impressionistic approach also to Debussy's etudes.
>
> As does Charles Rosen.
>
> I have to say I have not listened here;
Yes, that is clear from your thoughts on who's playing.
> just going on descriptions.
> And Beveridge Webster and Jacques Fevrier are both dead. They, too,
> were dry as sticks!
Doesn't listen to the tracks, doesn't read the thread, but forms an
impression despite all and tells us what it is. Whaddaguy.
The best hunches submitted as to who plays these PRELUDES were
Michelangeli and Moravec.
Does that sound like "dry as a stick"?
SE.
David Wake
> In article
> <849843bc-744a-400c...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> pianomaven <1pian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 25, 5:33 am, "HvT" <hvtuijl- SPAM- @xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the
>>>>>>>>> ones you
>>>>>>>>> Werner or
>>>>>>>>> Monique Haas....
>>>
>>>>>>>>> SE.
>>>
>>> If he or she is still alive it might be Roger Woodward, who has a
> > > very
>>> non-impressionistic approach also to Debussy's etudes.
>>
>> As does Charles Rosen.
>>
>> I have to say I have not listened here;
>
> Yes, that is clear from your thoughts on who's playing.
>
>> just going on descriptions.
>> And Beveridge Webster and Jacques Fevrier are both dead. They, too,
>> were dry as sticks!
>
> Doesn't listen to the tracks, doesn't read the thread, but forms an
> impression despite all and tells us what it is. Whaddaguy.
>
> The best hunches submitted as to who plays these PRELUDES were
> Michelangeli and Moravec.
>
> Does that sound like "dry as a stick"?
>
> SE.
Pollini?
(Disclaimer: this is a TD-style blind guess.-- I haven't heard the
recording -- in fact I can't even find the link to it any more).
mandryka
M. A.
>
> The best hunches submitted as to who plays these PRELUDES were
> Michelangeli and Moravec.
Radu Lupu?
M. A.
pianomaven
>
>
>
> pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 25, 5:33 am, "HvT" <hvtuijl- SPAM- @xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > This recording may be a bit more off the beaten path than the
> > > > > > > > > ones you
> > > > > > > > > Werner or
> > > > > > > > > Monique Haas....
>
> > > > > > > > > SE.
>
> > > If he or she is still alive it might be Roger Woodward, who has a very
> > > non-impressionistic approach also to Debussy's etudes.
>
> > As does Charles Rosen.
>
> > I have to say I have not listened here;
>
> Yes, that is clear from your thoughts on who's playing.
>
> > just going on descriptions.
> > And Beveridge Webster and Jacques Fevrier are both dead. They, too,
> > were dry as sticks!
>
> Doesn't listen to the tracks, doesn't read the thread, but forms an
> impression despite all and tells us what it is. Whaddaguy.
Sorry, Steve, I don't do downloads.
Just drawing conclusions from the remarks here.
So, you can continue with your exercise.
TD
Steve Emerson
David Wake <dnw...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4q858j9ftr0586s/Ericourt+MysteryDebussy.zip
The rest of the folder is three Book 2 Preludes by Daniel Ericourt: in
both the Ivory Classics transfers and straight-from-LP transfers.
(No on Pollini.)
SE.
Steve Emerson
<208a9fc4-a5c3-44e5...@r14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Fiorentino
But he doesn't meet the "is alive" qualification....
SE.
Steve Emerson
"M. A." <not.f...@server.com> wrote:
A great guess for 'Danseuses des Delphes', much like the other two. But
would any of them play 'Minstrels' with this kind of volatility and wit?
SE.
M. A.
You're right, that seemed unlikely, but then you never know. (By the way,
are there any bootlegs of Lupu playing the Preludes floating around?)
Actually, even if I had only listened to Minstrels, I would not have a good
guess as to who it might be. To assume that the same pianist played these
Danseuses makes it even harder.
Whoever it turns out to be, I'd very much appreciate to listen to the entire
set.
M. A.
Bob Lombard
"M. A." <not.f...@server.com> wrote in message
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Lang-Lang.
bl
M. A.
>
> I haven't listened either (a la TD), but am sure that the culprit is
> Lang-Lang.
Why not? But the excerpts sound as if they were taken off an LP...
M. A.
Bob Lombard
And his special talents would best be evidenced on video-LPs.
bl
Steve Emerson
<8da964ad-5c29-4fac...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
pianomaven <1pian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, Steve, I don't do downloads.
>
> Just drawing conclusions from the remarks here.
No problem.
SE.
Steve Emerson
"M. A." <not.f...@server.com> wrote:
> "Steve Emerson" <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote...
> >
> > In article <4cc66fb7$0$6882$9b4e...@newsspool2.arcor-online.net>,
> > "M. A." <not.f...@server.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Steve Emerson" <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote...
> > > >
> > > > The best hunches submitted as to who plays these PRELUDES
> > > > were Michelangeli and Moravec.
> > >
> > > Radu Lupu?
> >
> > A great guess for 'Danseuses des Delphes', much like the other two. But
> > would any of them play 'Minstrels' with this kind of volatility and wit?
>
> You're right, that seemed unlikely, but then you never know. (By the way,
> are there any bootlegs of Lupu playing the Preludes floating around?)
If so, I certainly haven't run into them; but I'm not much of a source
on things like that. Lupu should make a recording of the ones he has in
his repertoire. In fact he should make a recording, period.
> Actually, even if I had only listened to Minstrels, I would not have a good
> guess as to who it might be. To assume that the same pianist played these
> Danseuses makes it even harder.
>
> Whoever it turns out to be, I'd very much appreciate to listen to the entire
> set.
It is the same pianist on both.
I'll try to make all of this musician's preludes available. But that
won't be a complete set. Excerpts only, from both books.
SE.
Ray Hall
They haven't done a 3-D version yet, so I would wait. An eon would do.
Ray Hall, Taree
M. A.
>
> I'll try to make all of this musician's preludes available. But that
> won't be a complete set. Excerpts only, from both books.
When are you going to solve the mystery?
M. A.
Bob Lombard
Jeez, give Steve time to milk this thing a little. It's a DK tradition,
though SE hasn't yet mailed out CD-Rs (that I know of). I have a reliculous
disdain for YT, but you modren folk should still be exhibiting your, your,
something.
bl
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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>> "Bob Lombard" <thorste...@vermontel.net> wrote...
>>>
>>> I haven't listened either (a la TD), but am sure that the culprit is
>>> Lang-Lang.
>>
>> Why not? But the excerpts sound as if they were taken off an LP...
>
> And his special talents would best be evidenced on video-LPs.
No; Abercrombie & Fitch catalogs.
Steve Emerson
"Bob Lombard" <thorste...@vermontel.net> wrote:
YT? This was a Mediafire upload. See my answer to David Wake, among
other places, for the URL.
SE.
M. A.
>
> I have a reliculous disdain for YT, but you modren folk should
> still be exhibiting your, your, something.
?
Steve Emerson
"M. A." <not.f...@server.com> wrote:
Pending anything further from Howard, Henk, or others -- in the next day
or so.
SE.
Miguel Montfort
>> When are you going to solve the mystery?
>
> Pending anything further from Howard, Henk, or others
> -- in the next day or so.
I do seem to hear some Bashkirov in ￜMinstrelsￜ, not that
sure about ￜDanseuses de Delphesￜ though ...
Miguel
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> Steve Emerson wrote:
>
>>> When are you going to solve the mystery?
>>
>> Pending anything further from Howard, Henk, or others
>> -- in the next day or so.
>
> sure about �Danseuses de Delphes� though ...
>
> Miguel
It's not Bashkirov, at least not his recording of some of the preludes on a
Melodiya LP. The mystery pianist plays the Danseuses far slower than
Bashkirov does. Besides, there is the full and warm tone of our mystery
guest ... I'm really looking forward to hear who she or he is.
Henk
Miguel Montfort
> It's not Bashkirov, at least not his recording of some of
> the preludes on a Melodiya LP. The mystery pianist plays
> the Danseuses far slower than Bashkirov does.
I’ve never heard these Melodiya recordings, I’m only
familiar with his 2002 rendition of »Minstrels« which
is related not too distantly to the mystery recording.
> Besides, there is the full and warm tone of our mystery
> guest ...
Indeed, Bashkirov ;-)
> I'm really looking forward to hear who she or he is.
So do I.
Miguel
Steve Emerson
Miguel Montfort <op...@web.de> wrote:
> Steve Emerson wrote:
>
> >> When are you going to solve the mystery?
> >
> > Pending anything further from Howard, Henk, or others
> > -- in the next day or so.
>
> I do seem to hear some Bashkirov in �Minstrels�, not that
> sure about �Danseuses de Delphes� though ...
Ahh -- Miguel has it. Well done!
Both are from Melodiya (LP) C 01651-2.
Preludes Bk 1 #6 (Des Pas sur la Neige) and #11 (Puck) and Prokofiev
Sonata 8 make up the rest of the record.
I don't know of another Bashkirov Danseuses de Delphes, but maybe Henk
does?
On other Melodiya LPs, I have Book 1 - #9, 10 (Cathedrale) and what's
probably a different #6; plus Book 2 #3 and 12.
I'll try to transfer them all soon.
Miguel, I guess your Minstrels is on the Jacques Samuel CD? Any other
Debussy there?
SE.
Miguel Montfort
> Ahh -- Miguel has it. Well done!
Hooray – those ears still work ;-)
> Both are from Melodiya (LP) C 01651-2.
[...]
> I'll try to transfer them all soon.
That would be fantastic!
> Miguel, I guess your Minstrels is on the Jacques Samuel CD?
> Any other Debussy there?
Yes, indeed: La Cathedral Engloutie, La Puerta del Vino,
Bruyères, General Lavine - Eccentric & L’Isle Joyeuse.
Miguel
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>>
>>>> When are you going to solve the mystery?
>>>
>>> Pending anything further from Howard, Henk, or others
>>> -- in the next day or so.
>>
>> I do seem to hear some Bashkirov in �Minstrels�, not that
>> sure about �Danseuses de Delphes� though ...
>>
>
> It's not Bashkirov, at least not his recording of some of the preludes on
> a Melodiya LP. The mystery pianist plays the Danseuses far slower than
> guest ... I'm really looking forward to hear who she or he is.
So it was Bashkirov! Congratularions!
Henk
Mandryka
1. I’m interested in Debussy Preludes 2 (once every 12 years it seems!)
2. Reading it I was reminded of what rmcr was like. What scared them all away?
Andy Evans
>
> 2. Reading it I was reminded of what rmcr was like. What scared them all away?
Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me. Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and Casadesus was frankly poor.
Those are the ones I possess. I might go on YT and add some more - maybe!
Dan Koren
>
> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
> maybe!
dk
Graham
Frank Berger
Dan Koren
> On 9/22/2022 5:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>
> >> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
> >> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
> >> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
> >> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
> >> maybe!
> >
> > Jean-Rodolphe Kars.
>
> priest instead of just a priest?
dk
Frank Berger
I wonder if he had encountered a Rabbi gifted in outreach, what would have happened?
Dan Koren
> On 9/22/2022 9:57 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 9/22/2022 5:13 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Like in 2010 it's still Paul Jacobs or Richter for me.
> >>>> Gieseking wasn't remarkable, Ogawa just OK and
> >>>> Casadesus was frankly poor. Those are the ones I
> >>>> possess. I might go on YT and add some more -
> >>>> maybe!
> >>>
> >>> Jean-Rodolphe Kars.
> >>
> >> Why couldn't he have been a pianist-
> >> priest instead of just a priest?
> >
> > https://www.hebrewcatholic.net/testimony-of-father-jean-rodolphe-kars/
>
> and music lovers. Nevertheless I hope he is
> happy and fulfilled.
>
> I wonder if he had encountered a Rabbi gifted
> in outreach, what would have happened?
in France. It is still a profoundly anti-semitic
country, even though in a relatively "civlized"
manner.
dk
Mandryka
Mandryka
Frank Berger
Dan Koren
Sorry to hear.
> The spelling of Rabbis is not Rabbies.
words ending in .../i or .../y is .../ies. As one sees
in baby/babies, /buddy/buddies, dummy/dummies,
memory/memories or story/stories. Perhaps US
usage is different.
> The antisemitsm among many French Arabs
> (citizens or not I do not know) is often not
> civilized.
includes both Catholics and Protestants, and to
the Deep State. Remember L'Affaire Dreyfuss?
dk
Mandryka
Dan Koren
>
> I’m impressed by Gordon Furgus Thompson Bk 2 preludes.
> That’s the best new discovery for me so far in this music.
dk
raymond....@gmail.com
> I’m impressed by Gordon Furgus Thompson Bk 2 preludes. That’s the best new discovery for me so far in this music.
Ray Hall, Taree