Schubert sonata recommendations
Andy Evans
sonata opus open to recommendations - I need quite a few more on CD, notably
in D, D850, A, D664. I'm OK for D960 which has been extensively covered.
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John H
First question to ask re: Schubert Sonatas:
Did Lupu or Richter record them?
Lupu did record D. 664, Unfortunately, it comes coupled to his D.960.
Richter has a D. 664 on a recent two disc set from the BBC Legends
series, coupled with D. 575, D.625.
In the BMG Melodiya Ricther edition -- these should be available as
singles -- there is a coupling -- late 50s/early 60s of the D.850 with
D. 845.
Problem solved.
John Harkness
Dimitri Dover
is essential. You must also try Schnabel -- I have it on
Arabesque, but I believe this is OOP. I have not heard the
EMI reissue.
Dimitri
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Dimitris Fotiadis
sonatas extensively (as he did with Haydn) and I mean not just the famous 3 last
sonatas.
Go to http://richter.simplenet.com/RichterD.html#schubert
and check out some special & rare findings.
Dimitris Fotiadis
Thessaloniki
Greece
Roger Lee
and the transfer does nothing to obscure it. Schnabel is my favorite
interpreter of Shubert, so maybe I'm a bit predictable on this score. :)
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In article <389B91...@fas.harvard.edu>, Dimitri Dover
<ddo...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> For D.850, Richter's Melodiya recording coupled with D.845
> is essential. You must also try Schnabel -- I have it on
> Arabesque, but I believe this is OOP. I have not heard the
> EMI reissue.
> Andy Evans wrote:
Marc Perman
>The EMI reissue of the Schnabel is terrific. The playing is beyond belief
>and the transfer does nothing to obscure it. Schnabel is my favorite
>interpreter of Shubert, so maybe I'm a bit predictable on this score. :)
I would urge you to hear the Pearl transfers, which would likely
change your mind about the EMI. Pearl's are more open with a more
rounded piano tone.
Marc Perman
Sol L. Siegel
>Andy Evans wrote:
>>
>> While we're on Schubert sonatas... I need quite a few more
>> on CD, notably in D, D850, A, D664.
>For D.850, Richter's Melodiya recording coupled with D.845
>is essential. You must also try Schnabel -- I have it on
>Arabesque, but I believe this is OOP. I have not heard the
>EMI reissue.
The Melodiya disc is actually more essential for the D.
845 - an amazing, terrifying performance -
than the D. 850,
which is fine but, IMHO, surpassed by Curzon. As for
Schnabel, I'm waiting (hoping?) for my EMI copy from Berkshire.
If you ever see Richter's EMI D. 664, you might want to consider that.
-Sol Siegel, Philadelphia, PA
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ESH Tooter
664 was also beautifully played by Solomon. I've never seen it on CD. The
Richter 664 is also beautiful but fully Richterized.
Thomas Deas
"ESH Tooter" <esht...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000205160503...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
> << If you ever see Richter's EMI D. 664, you might want to consider that.
>>
>
> 664 was also beautifully played by Solomon. I've never seen it on CD.
Never issued on cd.
Roger Lee
(Marc Perman) wrote:
> "Roger Lee" <xle...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>The EMI reissue of the Schnabel is terrific. The playing is beyond belief
>>and the transfer does nothing to obscure it. Schnabel is my favorite
>
> I would urge you to hear the Pearl transfers, which would likely
> change your mind about the EMI. Pearl's are more open with a more
> rounded piano tone.
I wasn't aware that Pearl had done these. I am not surprised to hear that
about their transfers. They continually surprise me with their opening up
of old originals. I definitely will check them out. Thank you for the tip.
R
Andy Evans
Ashkenazy or Kovakovic. Any views? I have one or two Arrau and Brendel which
I enjoy. None of the rest.
ap...@my-deja.com
interpretations.The acquisition of both would result in a duplication
of D850,more convincingly interpreted by Richter IMHO.However,the
D960 by Schnabel belongs in every collection.The only version I have
enjoyed more is a late forties recording by Yudina.
Er...could someone give his/her opinion on the Ashkenazy cd in the
Decca Classic Sound series?
It includes D664,D784,twelve waltzes and Hungarian Melody.
The programming suits perfectly the gaps in my collection,
due to unsatisfactory readings(D664)or lack of any(D784).
Is it a good'un?I have not heard Ashkenazy on Schubert before.
I would also be grateful for any views on Kempff's complete
set(DG).If it is terrific,I'll go ahead and buy it.
How does it compare to others?
Thank you very much.
George
In article <389B91...@fas.harvard.edu>,
Dimitri Dover <ddo...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> For D.850, Richter's Melodiya recording coupled with D.845
> is essential. You must also try Schnabel -- I have it on
> Arabesque, but I believe this is OOP. I have not heard the
> EMI reissue.
>
> Dimitri
>
> Andy Evans wrote:
> >
> > While we're on Schubert sonatas, I for one would welcome throwing
his whole
> > sonata opus open to recommendations - I need quite a few more on
CD, notably
> > in D, D850, A, D664. I'm OK for D960 which has been extensively
covered.
> >
> > --
> > Andy Evans, e-mail: an...@artsandmedia.com
> > Visit our Website: www.artsandmedia.com
>
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Before you buy.
Richard Schultz
: The Melodiya disc [of Richter;s performance] is actually more essential
: for the D. 845 - an amazing, terrifying performance -
How is he in the last two movements? I really like the first movement
of D. 845, especially the bizarre modulations in the coda (I suspect
that I like playing it a lot more than my neighbors like listening
to it, but I digress). But I find the second movement tolerable at best,
and the last two movements considerably less inspired (sort of "well,
I guess a sonata is supposed to have four movements. . ."). Does
Richter have the ability to convince someone like me that I'm wrong?
(And I am in general a fan of his playing, even when he's being what
I would call eccentric.)
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John H
On Sun, 06 Feb 2000 04:18:45 GMT, ap...@my-deja.com wrote:
>Both the Richter Melodiya and the Schnabel EMI contain wonderful
>interpretations.The acquisition of both would result in a duplication
>of D850,more convincingly interpreted by Richter IMHO.However,the
>D960 by Schnabel belongs in every collection.The only version I have
>enjoyed more is a late forties recording by Yudina.
>
>Er...could someone give his/her opinion on the Ashkenazy cd in the
>Decca Classic Sound series?
>It includes D664,D784,twelve waltzes and Hungarian Melody.
>The programming suits perfectly the gaps in my collection,
>due to unsatisfactory readings(D664)or lack of any(D784).
>Is it a good'un?I have not heard Ashkenazy on Schubert before.
>
>I would also be grateful for any views on Kempff's complete
>set(DG).If it is terrific,I'll go ahead and buy it.
>How does it compare to others?
>Thank you very much.
>
>George
Well, I'm not as anti-Kempff as some posters here -- I've a bunch of
the Beethoven -- but I had the Kempff for a while and ultimately
dumped it. Not enough spine in the playing really, not compared with
Brendel's late set or the Kuerti set. I'd come back to Richter and
Lupu, though Arrau's Philips recordings of the last three Sonatas are
worth investigating -- he does some very odd things with the voice
leading in the first movement of d.958 that I've come to like, despite
initial shock and horror.
John Harkness
Tony Movshon
> Er...could someone give his/her opinion on the Ashkenazy cd in the
> Decca Classic Sound series?
> It includes D664,D784,twelve waltzes and Hungarian Melody.
> The programming suits perfectly the gaps in my collection,
> due to unsatisfactory readings(D664)or lack of any(D784).
> Is it a good'un?I have not heard Ashkenazy on Schubert before.
I think this is one of Ashkenazy's best recordings. Very forceful,
involved playing, well recorded. This was my first D784, and may
still be my favorite. The D664 doesn't stick in memory as being
so distinctive, but I care less about the piece.
Tony Movshon
mov...@nyu.edu
Nicolas Hodges
<arts.ps...@cwcom.net> writes
>I haven't heard anything on this thread about Pollini, Brendel, Arrau,
>Ashkenazy or Kovakovic. Any views? I have one or two Arrau and Brendel which
>I enjoy. None of the rest.
You haven't heard about Pollini because he has only done 845, 958-960
and the Wanderer Fantasy. The 845/WF disc in particular is fantastic,
but you must have that already (mustn't you).
Brendel's late set (the only one I have) I find rather stodgy. Certainly
not ideal for 850.
I've hardly ever heard a 959 I really like - I once (while still at
school) heard Edith Vogel play it on Radio 3 and immediately leapt out
of my skin, as it had caught what I was missing (something about the
characterisation of rhythm in the first movement). I don't know what I
would think of that performance now, but would love to hear it again.
--
Nic
Donald C. Patterson
Andy Evans wrote:
> While we're on Schubert sonatas, I for one would welcome throwing his whole
> sonata opus open to recommendations - I need quite a few more on CD, notably
> in D, D850, A, D664. I'm OK for D960 which has been extensively covered.
>
>
Lupu...anything by Lupu.
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Simon Roberts
: I haven't heard anything on this thread about Pollini, Brendel, Arrau,
: Ashkenazy or Kovakovic. Any views? I have one or two Arrau and Brendel which
: I enjoy. None of the rest.
Pollini, as so often, made almost no impression on me; maybe I would have
liked his 958-960 more if DG hadn't sabotaged them (as they seem to like
to do to his recordings) by using/adding so much reverberant warmth to the
sound. The Brendel twofer on Philips is worth trying, though I don't
think I would rank him with the best. I probably would Kovacevich, though
-- but he's only recorded 960 (twice) and 959. The early Ashkenazy disc
on Decca (664 etc.) is first rate; I've not liked his recent recordings
(959, e.g.). I don't care for Arrau's recordings of Schubert that I've
heard -- they sound oddly graceless and slightly clumsy to me.
I might as well join the Richter bandwagon. As usual I tend to prefer his
older recordings, so will suggest the BMG/Melodiya 845/850 (also on
Monitor) as the place to start; but I haven't heard any that I would
recommend your avoiding. Likewise Lupu; his Schubert is uniformly first
rate -- effortlessly lyrical if perhaps missing some of the music's darker
side.
If you want weird, you could try Afanassiev (if Denon has found a
distributor in the UK yet), remarkable playing as such coupled with tempi
(slow) that defy belief and, one might think, all musical sense --
fascinating to listen to once you've heard more normal performances, but
perhaps otherwise to be avoided, at least his two disc set of the last
three. But if the UK has a Denon distributor, I would note that that
label also has a very recommendable, "central" series (I think it's
more-or-less complete) played by Michel Dalberto. If someone wanted a set
of the sonatas played by the one pianist, I would recommend this.
If the Kuerti/IMP recordings are still in print you may want to try one of
them and see what you think; his playing is more "romantic" than most --
more prone to wide fluctuations in tempo than most, at any rate. His
playing has elicited both high praise and scorn in the review press, which
is often a good sign....
A couple of dark horses, perhaps: Gothoni on Ondine has recorded a few,
including 960 and 845, and Talents of Russia has issued Bashkirov's 845 --
both are worth getting to know.
Simon
Simon Roberts
: I would also be grateful for any views on Kempff's complete
: set(DG).If it is terrific,I'll go ahead and buy it.
: How does it compare to others?
It doesn't annoy me the way his Beethoven does but I can't imagine that
anyone would find it "terrific" -- I don't hear much imagination or drama
or poetic insight (nor, for what it's worth, do you get many repeats).
Talking of Kempff, ARG gave a rave review to a five disc box of Schubert
sonatas played by one John Damgaard. The reviewer compared him favorably
with Kempff (and may have said he was a protege or some such), which I
took to be a bad sign. Anyone heard it?
Simon
ESH Tooter
Ashkenazy or Kovakovic. Any views? I have one or two Arrau and Brendel which
I enjoy. None of the rest. >>
I recently picked up used copies of Kovacevich playing three Schubert sonatas
and playing Beethoven Op. 10s and Op. 28 sonatas. I found the Schubert a big
disappointment. The Beethoven, on the other hand, struck me as lively, alert
playing. I enjoyed it and have been back to it several times. This is my
first encounter with his playing. I'd be interested in recommendations for
disks that show him at his best.
ESH Tooter
set(DG).If it is terrific,I'll go ahead and buy it.
How does it compare to others?
I sampled the Kempff about ten years back and found it very middle of the road.
If you want to hear the average of all possible interpretations, get it.
Dgable6
Inexplicably, Rudolf Serkin doesn't seem to generate much enthusiasm on this
newsgroup, but I love his austere and deeply moving CBS recording of the last
(B flat) sonata. It is available coupled with the A minor and one set of
Impromptus on a French Sony release.
-david gable
Philip Peters
Dgable6 wrote:
So do I and I love a lot of other music by Serkin although Joachim Kaiser said of
his later work that it was a product of *Alterswut* which I find very funny and
there may be some truth in that.
Philip
Sol L. Siegel
>Sol L. Siegel (vod...@aol.comjunkfree) wrote:
>
>: The Melodiya disc [of Richter;s performance] is actually more essential
>: for the D. 845 - an amazing, terrifying performance -
>
>How is he in the last two movements? I really like the first movement
>of D. 845, especially the bizarre modulations in the coda (I suspect
>that I like playing it a lot more than my neighbors like listening
>to it, but I digress). But I find the second movement tolerable at best,
>and the last two movements considerably less inspired (sort of "well,
>I guess a sonata is supposed to have four movements. . ."). Does
>Richter have the ability to convince someone like me that I'm wrong?
Let's just put it this way: If Richter can't do it, no one can. For me,
he has always made the work a unified whole. I have two other
versions, by Lupu (which I can never get rid of because it's coupled
with my favorite version the D. 894) and Firkusny; they're fine
but don't come close.
Joseph Markley
Philip Peters wrote:
> ...I love a lot of other music by Serkin although Joachim Kaiser said of
> his later work that it was a product of *Alterswut* which I find very funny and
> there may be some truth in that.
Since it's both very funny and possibly true, I'm willing to betray my ignorance by
asking what it means!
Joe Markley
Alexandria, Virginia
Andy Evans
fiery - Richter doesn't take prisoners! Also have the Philips box
894/575/840 still haven't heard it yet.
Dgable6
Well, I don't know about that, but Kempff is outclassed by any number of
pianists in this repertory including Schnabel, Richter, and Serkin. Far from
being average, I find Kempff old fashioned in the unfortunate sense of the
term.
-david gable
Jan Werner
says...
> ap...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> : I would also be grateful for any views on Kempff's complete
> : set(DG).If it is terrific,I'll go ahead and buy it.
> : How does it compare to others?
>
> anyone would find it "terrific" -- I don't hear much imagination or drama
> or poetic insight (nor, for what it's worth, do you get many repeats).
>
> Talking of Kempff, ARG gave a rave review to a five disc box of Schubert
> sonatas played by one John Damgaard. The reviewer compared him favorably
> with Kempff (and may have said he was a protege or some such), which I
> took to be a bad sign. Anyone heard it?
>
> Simon
>
I haven't listened to it very carefully, but at first glance he sounds
overly mannered and lacking in intensity. Not much forward flow or
overall concept of the structure of the pieces as a whole. Beautiful
recorded piano sound though, and occasional passages that stand out.
Given the competition, I doubt that I would spend much time listening to
these performances, but I'll probably give them another whack before
banning them to the basement racks.
FWIW, I happen to like Kempf, both in Schubert and Beethoven, but I admit
that I don't always find his small-scale approach the most enjoyable one.
Damgaard is no Kempf.
--
Jan Werner
jwe...@jwdp.nospam.com
Simon Roberts
: In article <87kb7k$vft$2...@netnews.upenn.edu>, si...@dept.english.upenn.edu
: > Talking of Kempff, ARG gave a rave review to a five disc box of Schubert
: > sonatas played by one John Damgaard. The reviewer compared him favorably
: > with Kempff (and may have said he was a protege or some such), which I
: > took to be a bad sign. Anyone heard it?
: >
: > Simon
: >
: I haven't listened to it very carefully, but at first glance he sounds
: overly mannered and lacking in intensity. Not much forward flow or
: overall concept of the structure of the pieces as a whole. Beautiful
: recorded piano sound though, and occasional passages that stand out.
[snip]
Thanks for the comments -- confirms what I inferred from the review....
Simon
Ramon Khalona
Elderly madness.
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Philip Peters
Joseph Markley wrote:
> Philip Peters wrote:
>
> > ...I love a lot of other music by Serkin although Joachim Kaiser said of
> > his later work that it was a product of *Alterswut* which I find very funny and
> > there may be some truth in that.
>
> Since it's both very funny and possibly true, I'm willing to betray my ignorance by
> asking what it means!
>
> Joe Markley
> Alexandria, Virginia
LOL! It's German and virtually untranslatable. It means something like *Elderly
Fury*....hm...makes not much sense to me in English....Mr. COWAN, your help is needed!
Philip
Dgable6
Rage or madness of the elderly. Wut more or less means "crazy with rage." The
thrust of the remark when aimed at Serkin is that his is the feckless rage of
an old man, a depiction that I don't really find accurate.
-david gable