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aesthete8
May 22, 2012, 3:54:23 PM5/22/12
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Do you have any?
Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
supposed to be among the best?
Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
supposed to be among the best?
Frank Berger
May 22, 2012, 4:38:53 PM5/22/12
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Berlioz Harold
Schubert 5
Schubert 8
Did you mean as a singer?
wkasimer
May 22, 2012, 4:52:45 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 3:54 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
> supposed to be among the best?
I actually prefer his later recordings, with Kubelik and Boehm, and
> Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
> supposed to be among the best?
consider them among his best.
There was also a late monaural Angel LP of Strauss that is quite
lovely, but doesn't appear to have been issued on CD, except in this
questionable set:
http://www.amazon.com/Seine-Grten-Erfolge-Dietrich-Fischer-Dieskau/dp/B004BGJVK4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337719913&sr=8-1
Bill
wagnerfan
May 22, 2012, 5:24:07 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:54:23 -0700 (PDT), aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Do you have any?
>
>Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
>supposed to be among the best?
Yes the 1961 EMI Schone Mullerin - prime voice and he has improved
upon the earlier mono interpretation, his light tenory timbre is just
right
the 1965 DG Dichterliebe with Demus - same as above.
Rigoletto DG 1964 - he doesn't have the voice for the aria but he has
everything else and there is not a moment of calculation or artifice -
he sings out passionately, the rest of the cast and conducting are
superb.
Zauberflote DG 1964 - the voice just dances through the music and the
infantile mannerisms of the earlier recording are gone. The dialogue
(spoken by him ) is spontaneous and natural
Wagner fan
wrote:
>Do you have any?
>
>Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
>supposed to be among the best?
upon the earlier mono interpretation, his light tenory timbre is just
right
the 1965 DG Dichterliebe with Demus - same as above.
Rigoletto DG 1964 - he doesn't have the voice for the aria but he has
everything else and there is not a moment of calculation or artifice -
he sings out passionately, the rest of the cast and conducting are
superb.
Zauberflote DG 1964 - the voice just dances through the music and the
infantile mannerisms of the earlier recording are gone. The dialogue
(spoken by him ) is spontaneous and natural
Wagner fan
Art
May 22, 2012, 5:25:12 PM5/22/12
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http://www.amazon.ca/Lieder-Knaben-Wunderhorn-Mahler/dp/B0000044VZ
Christopher Webber
May 22, 2012, 5:58:48 PM5/22/12
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Listening to his Iago this evening (Barbirolli) I am reminded of what
Verdi himself said about Victor Maurel, the creator of the role and by
some accounts a voice and performance style not a million miles from DFD:
"As long as Maurel can *speak* I would rather he did Iago than anyone else".
I found myself thinking something similar tonight: it's not ideal
vocally, and doesn't all sit equally well in the DFD voice, but - on the
whole - I'd rather him speaking it (as in some parts he nearly does!)
than (nearly) anyone else singing it. It is simply so full of interest.
Verdi himself said about Victor Maurel, the creator of the role and by
some accounts a voice and performance style not a million miles from DFD:
"As long as Maurel can *speak* I would rather he did Iago than anyone else".
I found myself thinking something similar tonight: it's not ideal
vocally, and doesn't all sit equally well in the DFD voice, but - on the
whole - I'd rather him speaking it (as in some parts he nearly does!)
than (nearly) anyone else singing it. It is simply so full of interest.
Matthew B. Tepper
May 22, 2012, 8:18:22 PM5/22/12
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Arr, arr. Don't forget that from that era, there was also a good amount of
Schumann: Piano Concerto and Intro & Allegro Op. 92 with Barenboim as
soloist, a nice reversal of their "usual" roles; and Symphonies ## 2 and 3
and "Genoveva" Overture (I think) on a long-ago label called BASF, named
after the German company I assume. But I'll go along with the two Czech
recordings you list, the Brahms and Berlioz, as greats.
Speaking of Czech, among his recordings as singer, I really love his
incomplete group of Dvorak's Op. 99 Biblical Songs, even though sung in
German. There was an old Heliodor LP where these were coupled with, going
back to Schumann, "Dichterliebe"; can't recall whether the pianist was Karl
Engel of Jörg Demus.
But oh my, so many recordings from which to choose. Even if you count that
big Schubert box and the various opera recordings as one item each, I have
twenty-five more items of DFD in my collection than I have recordings of
Donna Summer, Adam Yauch, and Robin Gibb combined. Which is to say,
twenty-five. (Yes, I'm still incredibly annoyed at the press. It won't do
me any good to be annoyed, but I'm annoyed all the same.)
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Schumann: Piano Concerto and Intro & Allegro Op. 92 with Barenboim as
soloist, a nice reversal of their "usual" roles; and Symphonies ## 2 and 3
and "Genoveva" Overture (I think) on a long-ago label called BASF, named
after the German company I assume. But I'll go along with the two Czech
recordings you list, the Brahms and Berlioz, as greats.
Speaking of Czech, among his recordings as singer, I really love his
incomplete group of Dvorak's Op. 99 Biblical Songs, even though sung in
German. There was an old Heliodor LP where these were coupled with, going
back to Schumann, "Dichterliebe"; can't recall whether the pianist was Karl
Engel of Jörg Demus.
But oh my, so many recordings from which to choose. Even if you count that
big Schubert box and the various opera recordings as one item each, I have
twenty-five more items of DFD in my collection than I have recordings of
Donna Summer, Adam Yauch, and Robin Gibb combined. Which is to say,
twenty-five. (Yes, I'm still incredibly annoyed at the press. It won't do
me any good to be annoyed, but I'm annoyed all the same.)
--
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Randy Lane
May 22, 2012, 8:28:26 PM5/22/12
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> Speaking of Czech, among his recordings as singer, I really love his
> incomplete group of Dvorak's Op. 99 Biblical Songs, even though sung in
> German. There was an old Heliodor LP where these were coupled with, going
> back to Schumann, "Dichterliebe"; can't recall whether the pianist was Karl
> Engel of Jörg Demus.
The Biblical Songs are with Demus and are filler ona DG two-fer of the
> incomplete group of Dvorak's Op. 99 Biblical Songs, even though sung in
> German. There was an old Heliodor LP where these were coupled with, going
> back to Schumann, "Dichterliebe"; can't recall whether the pianist was Karl
> Engel of Jörg Demus.
Dvorak Requiem under Ancerl:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000001GHO
A not-to-be missed set.
Randy Lane
May 22, 2012, 8:38:32 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 5:28 pm, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Speaking of Czech, among his recordings as singer, I really love his
> > incomplete group of Dvorak's Op. 99 Biblical Songs, even though sung in
> > German. There was an old Heliodor LP where these were coupled with, going
> > back to Schumann, "Dichterliebe"; can't recall whether the pianist was Karl
> > Engel of Jörg Demus.
The Biblical Songs are with Demus and are filler on a DG two-fer of
> > Speaking of Czech, among his recordings as singer, I really love his
> > incomplete group of Dvorak's Op. 99 Biblical Songs, even though sung in
> > German. There was an old Heliodor LP where these were coupled with, going
> > back to Schumann, "Dichterliebe"; can't recall whether the pianist was Karl
> > Engel of Jörg Demus.
I think this is the same 2-CD set in a newer packaging:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000024FMG
Edward Cowan
May 22, 2012, 11:28:16 PM5/22/12
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Two favorite items, both with Jörg Demus:
Brahms' "Schöne Magelone" on (Am.) Decca (mono), in a very nice gatefold
set with an excellent booklet containing the texts. I knew nothing about
the original two-LP set on DG containing not only DFD's singing of the
songs but also excerpts from Tieck's novella read by DFD! The spoken
stuff is not included in the CD reissue in one of DG's DFD boxes. I do
have the original LP issue, however, which comes with a leaflet
containing the text of the novella as read by DFD.
Schubert's "Winterreise," a recording that came rather quickly after the
baritone's EMI stereo remake of the cycle with Gerald Moore. This
pairing of pianist and singer is one of rare unanimity of style and
purpose, resulting in one of the most intense performances you'll ever
hear of this cycle. --E.A.C.
--
hrabanus
Brahms' "Schöne Magelone" on (Am.) Decca (mono), in a very nice gatefold
set with an excellent booklet containing the texts. I knew nothing about
the original two-LP set on DG containing not only DFD's singing of the
songs but also excerpts from Tieck's novella read by DFD! The spoken
stuff is not included in the CD reissue in one of DG's DFD boxes. I do
have the original LP issue, however, which comes with a leaflet
containing the text of the novella as read by DFD.
Schubert's "Winterreise," a recording that came rather quickly after the
baritone's EMI stereo remake of the cycle with Gerald Moore. This
pairing of pianist and singer is one of rare unanimity of style and
purpose, resulting in one of the most intense performances you'll ever
hear of this cycle. --E.A.C.
hrabanus
herman
May 23, 2012, 3:16:20 AM5/23/12
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On 23 mai, 02:18, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> But oh my, so many recordings from which to choose. Even if you count that
> big Schubert box and the various opera recordings as one item each, I have
> twenty-five more items of DFD in my collection than I have recordings of
> Donna Summer, Adam Yauch, and Robin Gibb combined. Which is to say,
> twenty-five. (Yes, I'm still incredibly annoyed at the press. It won't do
> me any good to be annoyed, but I'm annoyed all the same.)
>
In pop music, all you have to do is die on a good moment in the media
>
> But oh my, so many recordings from which to choose. Even if you count that
> big Schubert box and the various opera recordings as one item each, I have
> twenty-five more items of DFD in my collection than I have recordings of
> Donna Summer, Adam Yauch, and Robin Gibb combined. Which is to say,
> twenty-five. (Yes, I'm still incredibly annoyed at the press. It won't do
> me any good to be annoyed, but I'm annoyed all the same.)
>
cycle, and you're a genius.
Paul Goldstein
May 23, 2012, 10:34:56 AM5/23/12
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In article <65e784b0-f089-4bef...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
aesthete8 says...
with Furtwangler is by far the best Mahler recording he ever made as far as I am
concerned.
My favorite F-D recordings are of him conducting: Brahms 4 (Supraphon),
Schubert
5 & 8 (EMI).
aesthete8 says...
>
>Do you have any?
>
>Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
>supposed to be among the best?
I don't know if they are supposed to be, but his Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen
>Do you have any?
>
>Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
>supposed to be among the best?
with Furtwangler is by far the best Mahler recording he ever made as far as I am
concerned.
My favorite F-D recordings are of him conducting: Brahms 4 (Supraphon),
Schubert
5 & 8 (EMI).
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May 23, 2012, 10:48:58 AM5/23/12
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Terry wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 05:54:23 +1000, aesthete8 wrote
> (in article
> <65e784b0-f089-4bef...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
> Moore's farewell concert. Nachtviolen, Im Abendroth, Abschied, plus
> his contribution to the Schumann duet. This concert is now virtually
> impossible to obtain on CD. Strange for a recording that should never
> be out of print.
Do you mean this?
http://www.amazon.com/Tribute-Gerald-Moore-Dietrich-Fischer-Dieskau/dp/B00008RGZH/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1337784407&sr=1-2
>
> Other great favourites are his arias in the Karl Richter "St. Matthew
> Passion" and Das Lied von der Erde with Kletzki (not Bernstein). Also
> a lovely recording of Ravel songs with Hartmut Höll on Orfeo.
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 05:54:23 +1000, aesthete8 wrote
> (in article
> <65e784b0-f089-4bef...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> Do you have any?
>>
>> Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
>> supposed to be among the best?
>
> I am always spellbound when I listen to his contribution to Gerald
>> Do you have any?
>>
>> Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
>> supposed to be among the best?
>
> Moore's farewell concert. Nachtviolen, Im Abendroth, Abschied, plus
> his contribution to the Schumann duet. This concert is now virtually
> impossible to obtain on CD. Strange for a recording that should never
> be out of print.
Do you mean this?
http://www.amazon.com/Tribute-Gerald-Moore-Dietrich-Fischer-Dieskau/dp/B00008RGZH/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1337784407&sr=1-2
>
> Other great favourites are his arias in the Karl Richter "St. Matthew
> Passion" and Das Lied von der Erde with Kletzki (not Bernstein). Also
> a lovely recording of Ravel songs with Hartmut Höll on Orfeo.
Tassilo
May 23, 2012, 11:50:37 AM5/23/12
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> “Do you have any favorite DFD recordings?”
Two scenes from Schumann’s Szenen aus Goethes Faust from this
recording:
Robert Schumann: Szenen aus Goethes Faust
Edith Mathis, Stuart Burrows, Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Gwynne Howell
BBC Symphony Chorus
BBC Symphony Orchestra
Pierre Boulez
Live performance, 1973
The two movements are Ariel; Sonnenaufgang [Ariel; Sunrise] and Fausts
Tod [The Death of Faust]. Not all of Faust, in my opinion, is on
anything like the exalted level of these two extraordinary scenes, but
they, at least, are uniquely vivid -- listen to the lacerating horns
at the moment of Faust’s death, to mention just one detail --
dramatically effective, and quite unlike anything else Schumann
wrote. The almost Mahlerian postlude following Faust’s death alone is
worth the price of admission. (It resembles not to much the 8th
symphony as a serenely transcendent moment of repose from a Wunderhorn
song.) Listening to this performance, it’s difficult to decide whose
response to the German national epic is deeper and more moving,
Schumann’s or Fischer-Dieskau’s. No other music of Schumann sounds
quite so profoundly German as these settings of Goethe, and, for once,
in projecting German verse that must have meant a great deal to him,
Fischer-Dieskau is not his usual fussy, mannered, and editorializing
self. He quite simply is Goethe’s and Schumann’s alert, reflective,
and -- in the end -- wise and serene philosopher.
Readers surprised to see Mr. Boulez’s name involved in a performance
of this work shouldn’t be: Boulez had a special enthusiasm for
Schumann’s Faust, performing it in both New York and London. (He even
performed Schumann’s Rose Pilgerfahrt in London.) Unlike the very
fine studio recording with Fischer-Dieskau and Benjamin Britten, this
performance has the added excitement of a live performance and a
special occasion, which any of the rare performances of this work must
necessarily be.
-Tassilo
Two scenes from Schumann’s Szenen aus Goethes Faust from this
recording:
Robert Schumann: Szenen aus Goethes Faust
Edith Mathis, Stuart Burrows, Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Gwynne Howell
BBC Symphony Chorus
BBC Symphony Orchestra
Pierre Boulez
Live performance, 1973
The two movements are Ariel; Sonnenaufgang [Ariel; Sunrise] and Fausts
Tod [The Death of Faust]. Not all of Faust, in my opinion, is on
anything like the exalted level of these two extraordinary scenes, but
they, at least, are uniquely vivid -- listen to the lacerating horns
at the moment of Faust’s death, to mention just one detail --
dramatically effective, and quite unlike anything else Schumann
wrote. The almost Mahlerian postlude following Faust’s death alone is
worth the price of admission. (It resembles not to much the 8th
symphony as a serenely transcendent moment of repose from a Wunderhorn
song.) Listening to this performance, it’s difficult to decide whose
response to the German national epic is deeper and more moving,
Schumann’s or Fischer-Dieskau’s. No other music of Schumann sounds
quite so profoundly German as these settings of Goethe, and, for once,
in projecting German verse that must have meant a great deal to him,
Fischer-Dieskau is not his usual fussy, mannered, and editorializing
self. He quite simply is Goethe’s and Schumann’s alert, reflective,
and -- in the end -- wise and serene philosopher.
Readers surprised to see Mr. Boulez’s name involved in a performance
of this work shouldn’t be: Boulez had a special enthusiasm for
Schumann’s Faust, performing it in both New York and London. (He even
performed Schumann’s Rose Pilgerfahrt in London.) Unlike the very
fine studio recording with Fischer-Dieskau and Benjamin Britten, this
performance has the added excitement of a live performance and a
special occasion, which any of the rare performances of this work must
necessarily be.
-Tassilo
Kip Williams
May 24, 2012, 9:17:20 AM5/24/12
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herman wrote:
There'd be a lot more than three in that case.
Kip W
Kip W
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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But then there's the popular "wisdom" (actually stupidity) that "death comes
in threes."
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in threes."
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>> Speaking of Czech, among his recordings as singer, I really love his
>> incomplete group of Dvorak's Op. 99 Biblical Songs, even though sung in
>> German. �There was an old Heliodor LP where these were coupled with, going
>> back to Schumann, "Dichterliebe"; can't recall whether the pianist was
>> Karl Engel of J�rg Demus.
just go to the shelf and look at it to see who the pianist was.
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>> Speaking of Czech, among his recordings as singer, I really love his
>> incomplete group of Dvorak's Op. 99 Biblical Songs, even though sung in
>> German. �There was an old Heliodor LP where these were coupled with, going
>> back to Schumann, "Dichterliebe"; can't recall whether the pianist was
>
> The Biblical Songs are with Demus and are filler ona DG two-fer of the
> Dvorak Requiem under Ancerl:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000001GHO
>
> A not-to-be missed set.
And as it happens, that's the edition I have now. I don't know why I didn't
> The Biblical Songs are with Demus and are filler ona DG two-fer of the
> Dvorak Requiem under Ancerl:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000001GHO
>
> A not-to-be missed set.
just go to the shelf and look at it to see who the pianist was.
Kip Williams
May 24, 2012, 12:46:07 PM5/24/12
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>
>> herman wrote:
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>> herman wrote:
>>> On 23 mai, 02:18, "Matthew B. Tepper"<oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But oh my, so many recordings from which to choose. Even if you count
>>>> that big Schubert box and the various opera recordings as one item each,
>>>> I have twenty-five more items of DFD in my collection than I have
>>>> recordings of Donna Summer, Adam Yauch, and Robin Gibb combined. Which
>>>> is to say, twenty-five. (Yes, I'm still incredibly annoyed at the press.
>>>> It won't do me any good to be annoyed, but I'm annoyed all the same.)
>>>>
>>> In pop music, all you have to do is die on a good moment in the media
>>> cycle, and you're a genius.
>>
>> There'd be a lot more than three in that case.
>
> But then there's the popular "wisdom" (actually stupidity) that "death comes
> in threes."
Nonetheless, if such adulation were merely a matter of dying at the
>>>
>>>> But oh my, so many recordings from which to choose. Even if you count
>>>> that big Schubert box and the various opera recordings as one item each,
>>>> I have twenty-five more items of DFD in my collection than I have
>>>> recordings of Donna Summer, Adam Yauch, and Robin Gibb combined. Which
>>>> is to say, twenty-five. (Yes, I'm still incredibly annoyed at the press.
>>>> It won't do me any good to be annoyed, but I'm annoyed all the same.)
>>>>
>>> In pop music, all you have to do is die on a good moment in the media
>>> cycle, and you're a genius.
>>
>> There'd be a lot more than three in that case.
>
> But then there's the popular "wisdom" (actually stupidity) that "death comes
> in threes."
right time, we'd be littered with adored dead popstars. If being a
popstar were just a matter of being (as Les Nessman put it) "a bunch of
drug addicts seeing who can make the most noise," there'd be far more of
them. It's not as easy a racket as it looks on the outside. I doubt that
I could even do what a typical drummer does. I could shake a tambourine,
but I still wouldn't look as good as the lead guitarist's girlfriend.
Kip W
maready
May 24, 2012, 2:23:19 PM5/24/12
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On May 22, 3:54 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
Schumann's 'Scenes from Goethe's Faust' --- studio w/ Britten on
Decca; live w/Boulez on Opera d'Oro (excellent sound on the latter,
and a certain magic glow in the second part 'Ariel')
Mark S
May 24, 2012, 3:05:49 PM5/24/12
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Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
compared to the competition.
compared to the competition.
wagnerfan
May 24, 2012, 3:47:50 PM5/24/12
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1965 Falstaff (interestingly not really because of him)
1964 Rigoletto
There are individual songs that are the best I ever heard.
Wagner fan
Johannes Roehl
May 24, 2012, 3:54:01 PM5/24/12
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Am 24.05.2012 21:05, schrieb Mark S:
> Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> compared to the competition.
There is probably no recording by any artist for which that could be
> Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> compared to the competition.
claimed, provided a certain amount of competition. (Of course there are
quite a few DFD recordings where the alternatives are few and far
between, like Schumann's "Faust Szenen" already mentioned.)
As I can't claim to have heard enough of the competition, I won't
nominate any recording. But one of his "Winterreise" recordings would be
a candidate. In Germany/Austria DFD is venerated in such a fashion that
dozens of his recordings would be called "immortal", "never surpassed" etc.
to get an impression:
http://www.tamino-klassikforum.at/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=14603
wagnerfan
May 24, 2012, 4:01:30 PM5/24/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:54:01 +0200, Johannes Roehl <parr...@web.de>
wrote:
Yes I'm not sure I get the intent of the original question - what is
the point - ????
Wagner fan
wrote:
the point - ????
Wagner fan
Hank
May 24, 2012, 4:09:12 PM5/24/12
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In article <65e784b0-f089-4bef...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
The two favorites of mine are the Mahler Lied v. Erde with Kletzki,
and a DGG album of "Lieder von Debussy und Ravel" that has a copyright
date of 1960, and has Karl Engel, piano; Aur�le Nicolet, flute, and
Irmgard Poppen, violoncello.
He tackled Ravel's "Chansons Mad�casses" on that second album, and
it's about the best I can recall ever hearing. Particularly, the
second song, "Aoua---Mefiez-vous des blancs, habitants de la rivage."
There is not a hint of the huffing and puffing Deacon claims for the
boy---indeed, the one who is huffing and puffing is Deacon. Like it
or not, F-D set standards for singing Lieder, and if one really is
going to criticize him, it may be for having performed into his
sixties before retiring. A few of us felt that the death of his first
wife was a turning point that was reflected in his later performances,
but he went on for another thirty years as a singer.
Hank
and a DGG album of "Lieder von Debussy und Ravel" that has a copyright
date of 1960, and has Karl Engel, piano; Aur�le Nicolet, flute, and
Irmgard Poppen, violoncello.
He tackled Ravel's "Chansons Mad�casses" on that second album, and
it's about the best I can recall ever hearing. Particularly, the
second song, "Aoua---Mefiez-vous des blancs, habitants de la rivage."
There is not a hint of the huffing and puffing Deacon claims for the
boy---indeed, the one who is huffing and puffing is Deacon. Like it
or not, F-D set standards for singing Lieder, and if one really is
going to criticize him, it may be for having performed into his
sixties before retiring. A few of us felt that the death of his first
wife was a turning point that was reflected in his later performances,
but he went on for another thirty years as a singer.
Hank
Sol L. Siegel
May 24, 2012, 7:26:25 PM5/24/12
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aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote in news:65e784b0-f089-4bef-a435-
24136f...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
> Do you have any?
>
The long-ago 3-CD EMI set of 1960s live Salzburg recitals: an
all-Schubert;, Brahms' "Schöne Magelone"; and one of Busoni,
Pfitzner, Strauss and Mahler. Virtually a Portable DFD.
But I'll third (or fourth) his podium efforts in Berlioz,
Brahms and Schubert. He also did a nice Hugo Wolf disc
later on.
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
24136f...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
> Do you have any?
>
The long-ago 3-CD EMI set of 1960s live Salzburg recitals: an
all-Schubert;, Brahms' "Schöne Magelone"; and one of Busoni,
Pfitzner, Strauss and Mahler. Virtually a Portable DFD.
But I'll third (or fourth) his podium efforts in Berlioz,
Brahms and Schubert. He also did a nice Hugo Wolf disc
later on.
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
wagnerfan
May 24, 2012, 7:32:14 PM5/24/12
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Fischer-Dieskau Salzburg Liederabende set - a must hear and it
captures him "live" in his vocal prime 1956-65.
Wagner fan
Mark S
May 24, 2012, 7:58:37 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 12:54 pm, Johannes Roehl <parrhe...@web.de> wrote:
> Am 24.05.2012 21:05, schrieb Mark S:
>
> > Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> > compared to the competition.
>
> There is probably no recording by any artist for which that could be
> claimed, provided a certain amount of competition.
Really? Here's a couple: Franco Corelli's "E lucevan le stelle" from
> Am 24.05.2012 21:05, schrieb Mark S:
>
> > Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> > compared to the competition.
>
> There is probably no recording by any artist for which that could be
> claimed, provided a certain amount of competition.
CG live in 1957. No other recording of that aria comes close to what
he did in that instance. Caruso - many recordings where he reigns
supreme: "Cantique de Noel" and "Rachel, quand du Segneur" to name
only two.
Mark S
May 24, 2012, 8:01:37 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 1:01 pm, wagnerfan <ivanmax...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:54:01 +0200, Johannes Roehl <parrhe...@web.de>
is solid competition where I would rank DFD's recording(s) at the top
of the heap. That's not taking away from his greatness or artistry.
It's just to say that his volume of recording is not necessarily an
indication of where said recordings would sit in a top ten list (if
one like's those kind of things).
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:54:01 +0200, Johannes Roehl <parrhe...@web.de>
> wrote:
>
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> >Am 24.05.2012 21:05, schrieb Mark S:
> >> Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> >> compared to the competition.
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> >Am 24.05.2012 21:05, schrieb Mark S:
> >> Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> >> compared to the competition.
>
> Yes I'm not sure I get the intent of the original question - what is
> the point - ????
>
The point for me is that I can't think of a single piece where there
> the point - ????
>
is solid competition where I would rank DFD's recording(s) at the top
of the heap. That's not taking away from his greatness or artistry.
It's just to say that his volume of recording is not necessarily an
indication of where said recordings would sit in a top ten list (if
one like's those kind of things).
wagnerfan
May 24, 2012, 8:56:12 PM5/24/12
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indication of its quality - thats ridiculous.
And really Mark you can't think of a single Schubert Lied sung by
Fi-Di thats better than the competition??? Not one????. I can name
about ten and I have Lieder going back to the early days of recording.
Wagner fan
wagnerfan
May 24, 2012, 9:00:52 PM5/24/12
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rendition of an aria is bettert than any other as if that is some kind
of a definite. Bjoelrings Cantique de Noel runs rings around Caruso -
definitely true?? of course not -its my opinion based on technical
proficiency and interpretation. Thats why I though your original
question was a frankly loaded one. Wagner fan
JohnGavin
May 24, 2012, 8:56:46 PM5/24/12
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On May 23, 10:24 am, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 05:54:23 +1000, aesthete8 wrote
> (in article
> <65e784b0-f089-4bef-a435-24136faf6...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 05:54:23 +1000, aesthete8 wrote
> (in article
>
> > Do you have any?
>
> > Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
> > supposed to be among the best?
>
> > Do you have any?
>
> > Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliest recordings of these
> > supposed to be among the best?
>
> I am always spellbound when I listen to his contribution to Gerald Moore's
> farewell concert. Nachtviolen, Im Abendroth, Abschied, plus his contribution
> to the Schumann duet. This concert is now virtually impossible to obtain on
> CD. Strange for a recording that should never be out of print.
>
This is one of my favorites too, but I would include Schwartzkopf's
> farewell concert. Nachtviolen, Im Abendroth, Abschied, plus his contribution
> to the Schumann duet. This concert is now virtually impossible to obtain on
> CD. Strange for a recording that should never be out of print.
>
Wolf songs, DFDs Mendelssohn duets with DeLos Angeles and the Rossini
Duets with Schwartzkopf and De Los Angeles.
JohnGavin
May 24, 2012, 9:03:27 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 4:09 pm, han...@blackhole.lostwells.net (Hank) wrote:
> In article <65e784b0-f089-4bef-a435-24136faf6...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
but DFD, like any great artist, defies stereotypes.
One can fault him for being overly calculating and intellectual, but
then one could come up with dozens of heartfelt performances on
recordings.
Frankly, I find him and Schwartzkopf mesmerizing. They possessed,
what I could call fierce concentration, and the intensity of their art
comes through.
> In article <65e784b0-f089-4bef-a435-24136faf6...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
> There is not a hint of the huffing and puffing Deacon claims for the
> boy---indeed, the one who is huffing and puffing is Deacon. Like it
> or not, F-D set standards for singing Lieder,
Yes, I agree. Some of the criticisms leveled here have truth to them,
>
> There is not a hint of the huffing and puffing Deacon claims for the
> boy---indeed, the one who is huffing and puffing is Deacon. Like it
> or not, F-D set standards for singing Lieder,
but DFD, like any great artist, defies stereotypes.
One can fault him for being overly calculating and intellectual, but
then one could come up with dozens of heartfelt performances on
recordings.
Frankly, I find him and Schwartzkopf mesmerizing. They possessed,
what I could call fierce concentration, and the intensity of their art
comes through.
Satid
May 24, 2012, 10:06:39 PM5/24/12
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On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:38:53 AM UTC+7, Frank Berger wrote:
> Brahms 4
> Berlioz Harold
> Schubert 5
> Schubert 8
>
Are these out of print now? If not yet, could anyone please let me know from which web site I can buy these recordings? I have been looking for them without success yet.
TIA.
> Brahms 4
> Berlioz Harold
> Schubert 5
> Schubert 8
>
Are these out of print now? If not yet, could anyone please let me know from which web site I can buy these recordings? I have been looking for them without success yet.
TIA.
basnperson
May 24, 2012, 10:05:13 PM5/24/12
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I really don't see how 'fierce concentration' in any way enhances
inherant musicality....... playing any musical instrument requires
many combinations of skills and talents. And so it is with singing as
well. SFAIAC, this worship of DG is almost cult like. As musical as
Callas, Baker,Schiotz and others are, I find FD's musicality just the
opposite.In terms of phrasing, accuracy of pitch, etc. I don't
understand what you mean by FD's intellectual approach....... how do
you tell? Was Callas non-intellectual?? Was Casals overly
intellectual? For sure one can't be stupid and sing well........ I
find the singing of Kay Starr far more convincing then that of DR!!!
AB
wagnerfan
May 24, 2012, 10:21:57 PM5/24/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:06:39 -0700 (PDT), Satid <sati...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Here they are at unfortunately OOP prices but if you check around on
ebay or the net you can probably find them cheaper
http://www.amazon.com/Berlioz-Harold-Italy-Reverie-Caprice/dp/B00000E8K4/ref=sr_1_34?ie=UTF8&qid=1337912070&sr=8-34
http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Symphonies-flat-minor-Unfinished/dp/B000009M3S/ref=sr_1_31?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1337912185&sr=1-31
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=511153
Wagner fan
wrote:
ebay or the net you can probably find them cheaper
http://www.amazon.com/Berlioz-Harold-Italy-Reverie-Caprice/dp/B00000E8K4/ref=sr_1_34?ie=UTF8&qid=1337912070&sr=8-34
http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Symphonies-flat-minor-Unfinished/dp/B000009M3S/ref=sr_1_31?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1337912185&sr=1-31
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=511153
Wagner fan
wagnerfan
May 24, 2012, 10:31:59 PM5/24/12
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Fi-Di and Schwarzkopf was an overly "intellectual" approach to the
music. Now thats probably not a good word but i can understand the
complaint. Its an overly analytical approach that weighs each word and
note so that you get more an explanation of the song rather than a
performance of it. Its as if the performer is doing all th work for
you so there is nothing for the listener to bring to the performance.
That bothers me more in some of Schwarzkops work (some of which I find
so overloaded with nuance that I am left exhausted at the end and not
in a good way) than in Fi-Di though I find some of his operatic work
susceptible to the charge. But, again, its there sometimes and
sometimes not, when the balance of shading and gorgeous tone is really
special. Also the repertory matters as well - I think that kind of
approach is almost a necessity in the Lieder of Wolf where the songs
are so concentrated that detailed nuances really do bring out the
beauties of the songs wagner fan
Satid
May 24, 2012, 10:34:25 PM5/24/12
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On Friday, May 25, 2012 9:21:57 AM UTC+7, wagnerfan wrote:
> Here they are at unfortunately OOP prices but if you check around on
> ebay or the net you can probably find them cheaper
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Berlioz-Harold-Italy-Reverie-Caprice/dp/B00000E8K4/ref=sr_1_34?ie=UTF8&qid=1337912070&sr=8-34
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Symphonies-flat-minor-Unfinished/dp/B000009M3S/ref=sr_1_31?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1337912185&sr=1-31
>
> http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=511153
>
> Wagner fan
Thanks for the URLs. But from reading a few posts here from the past, I thought that the Brahms #4 some people here prefer is the one recorded with Czech Philharmonic. Is my understanding correct?
> Here they are at unfortunately OOP prices but if you check around on
> ebay or the net you can probably find them cheaper
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Berlioz-Harold-Italy-Reverie-Caprice/dp/B00000E8K4/ref=sr_1_34?ie=UTF8&qid=1337912070&sr=8-34
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Symphonies-flat-minor-Unfinished/dp/B000009M3S/ref=sr_1_31?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1337912185&sr=1-31
>
> http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=511153
>
> Wagner fan
wagnerfan
May 24, 2012, 10:39:13 PM5/24/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:34:25 -0700 (PDT), Satid <sati...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Here it is - but look at the price!!
http://www.amazon.com/Brahms-Symphony-Minor-Variations-Paganini/dp/B000OJL812
Wagner afan
wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Brahms-Symphony-Minor-Variations-Paganini/dp/B000OJL812
Wagner afan
Tassilo
May 25, 2012, 1:11:59 AM5/25/12
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On May 24, 3:05 pm, Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> compared to the competition.
Now there's a request entirely contrary to the spirit of the original
> Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> compared to the competition.
poster's. Consciously so?
-Tassilo
Oscar
May 25, 2012, 2:14:08 AM5/25/12
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On May 24, 12:05 pm, Mark S wrote:
>
> Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> compared to the competition.
I'm not a huge Fischer-Dieskau fan, but I have long cherished my 1971
>
> Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> compared to the competition.
9LP box of Strauss Lieder [EMI Electrola 1C 163-50043/51]. Some truly
gorgeous moments throughout the set, viz. Am Ufer (On the Shore) Op.
41 No. 3. Gerald Moore accompanies. I'd like to know if there is a
finer recording of this Strauss gem.
The world becomes silent, except for the sound of your blood;
into its bright abyss sinks
the distant day,
Without a shudder; the glow embraces
the highest land, in the sea struggles
the distant night.
It does not delay; from the flood springs up
a little star, your soul drinks
the eternal light.
Words by Richard Dehmel ℗ 1896. Tdranslation by Joel Ayau © 2008.
wagnerfan
May 25, 2012, 3:41:08 AM5/25/12
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Edward Cowan
May 25, 2012, 7:55:14 AM5/25/12
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Thanks for the link to that thread. I had not ever known about the
Tamino Klassikforum before. This is a treat for those who can read
German. Still, even for those who don't read that language, the thread
includes images of the covers of the various recommended recordings.
(There are a great many.)
Perhaps someone could comment on the early _Don Carlos_ in German and
the early material on other labels, such as Audite and Membran...
--E.A.C.
Johannes Roehl <parr...@web.de> wrote:
> As I can't claim to have heard enough of the competition, I won't
> nominate any recording. But one of his "Winterreise" recordings would be
> a candidate. In Germany/Austria DFD is venerated in such a fashion that
> dozens of his recordings would be called "immortal", "never surpassed" etc.
>
> to get an impression:
>
> http://www.tamino-klassikforum.at/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=14603
--
hrabanus
Tamino Klassikforum before. This is a treat for those who can read
German. Still, even for those who don't read that language, the thread
includes images of the covers of the various recommended recordings.
(There are a great many.)
Perhaps someone could comment on the early _Don Carlos_ in German and
the early material on other labels, such as Audite and Membran...
--E.A.C.
Johannes Roehl <parr...@web.de> wrote:
> As I can't claim to have heard enough of the competition, I won't
> nominate any recording. But one of his "Winterreise" recordings would be
> a candidate. In Germany/Austria DFD is venerated in such a fashion that
> dozens of his recordings would be called "immortal", "never surpassed" etc.
>
> to get an impression:
>
> http://www.tamino-klassikforum.at/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=14603
hrabanus
wkasimer
May 25, 2012, 10:34:02 AM5/25/12
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> Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> compared to the competition.
Mark, I'm more than a little surprised that a sophisticated listener
> compared to the competition.
like yourself would even use the term "best" in relation to music.
"Favorite" maybe, but "best" is a term usually used by newbies, or
intellectually lazy people who don't want to take the time to develop
their own tastes.
I'm not a great fan of Fischer-Dieskau, but there are certainly a
number of his recordings that I think deserve mention among the
finest, which is about as far as I'd go for any singer.
Bill
wkasimer
May 25, 2012, 10:38:22 AM5/25/12
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As a rule, I've never cared for DFD's many recordings of Winterreise -
the cycle seems to bring out his worst obsessive-compulsive
interpretive instincts. But I just purchased his 1952 recording, with
Hermann Reutter, and it's certainly superior to any of the others I've
heard. His detractors will still find it a little more
interventionalist than is ideal, but the voice here is in great shape,
and there's more balance between singing and text than I've heard in
his other recordings of Winterreise:
http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Die-Winterreise-Dietrich-Fischer-Dieskau/dp/B000ROAPNG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337956645&sr=8-1
Bill
the cycle seems to bring out his worst obsessive-compulsive
interpretive instincts. But I just purchased his 1952 recording, with
Hermann Reutter, and it's certainly superior to any of the others I've
heard. His detractors will still find it a little more
interventionalist than is ideal, but the voice here is in great shape,
and there's more balance between singing and text than I've heard in
his other recordings of Winterreise:
http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Die-Winterreise-Dietrich-Fischer-Dieskau/dp/B000ROAPNG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337956645&sr=8-1
Bill
Johannes Roehl
May 25, 2012, 11:23:07 AM5/25/12
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Am 25.05.2012 13:55, schrieb Edward Cowan:
> Thanks for the link to that thread. I had not ever known about the
> Tamino Klassikforum before. This is a treat for those who can read
> German. Still, even for those who don't read that language, the thread
> includes images of the covers of the various recommended recordings.
> (There are a great many.)
>
> Perhaps someone could comment on the early _Don Carlos_ in German and
> the early material on other labels, such as Audite and Membran...
> --E.A.C.
I am afraid I don't know any of them, being quite overwhelmed with the
> Thanks for the link to that thread. I had not ever known about the
> Tamino Klassikforum before. This is a treat for those who can read
> German. Still, even for those who don't read that language, the thread
> includes images of the covers of the various recommended recordings.
> (There are a great many.)
>
> Perhaps someone could comment on the early _Don Carlos_ in German and
> the early material on other labels, such as Audite and Membran...
> --E.A.C.
"official" recordings I have (only a fraction of the ones that exist).
Of operas I think I have only heard Gluck's Orfeo (which is plain odd
for me with a baritone), his Papagenos, his Germont pére (cond. Maazel)
and his Don Pizarro in Fricsay's Fidelio recording. And Conte Almaviva
(cond. Böhm) where I can understand that some find it bordering on
parody. But as you can see, this one was also nominated as one of his best.
Mark S
May 25, 2012, 11:59:03 AM5/25/12
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word I use in an rmcr post. I trust that most people get what I'm
saying. Perhaps I'm wrong.
BTW - I will admit that I'd probably be more exacting in my word
choices were rmcr anything but a shadow of its former self these days.
wkasimer
May 25, 2012, 12:24:28 PM5/25/12
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On May 25, 7:55 am, oldgerman...@nospam.com (Edward Cowan) wrote:
> Perhaps someone could comment on the early _Don Carlos_ in German
I've only heard a little bit of it. Fischer-Dieskau is in better
> Perhaps someone could comment on the early _Don Carlos_ in German
voice than he was for Solti, and it's a little less "fussy" (or maybe
the fussiness is more acceptable in German). Certainly something that
his fans would want to hear; I still want a fuller, more opulent sound
for Posa. My favorite aspect of the recording is probably Greindl's
Philip.
> and the early material on other labels, such as Audite and Membran...
been disappointed with any Audite CD - the documentation is good, and
the transfers about as good as could be wished. When given the choice
between Audite and other labels, I *always* choose Audite. Membran,
OTOH, simply (I assume) simply steals pre-existing transfers, screws
them up a bit by overfiltering, and issues them in big sets without
minimal documentation.
I recently bought this Membran set:
http://www.amazon.com/Seine-Grten-Erfolge-Dietrich-Fischer-Dieskau/dp/B004BGJVK4/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1337962940&sr=1-1
A local chain (Newbury Comics) is selling the 10CD set for $10 in
their stores. I've written a review on Amazon about the set, but
having heard more of it, I'm more disappointed by the sound quality,
and anything on the set that I like I will seek out decent transfers.
Bill
wkasimer
May 25, 2012, 12:29:14 PM5/25/12
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On May 25, 11:59 am, Mark S <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Point taken. I don't always take the time to consider every single
> word I use in an rmcr post. I trust that most people get what I'm
> saying. Perhaps I'm wrong.
Oh, I get what you're saying, but I also get the subtext. People only
> Point taken. I don't always take the time to consider every single
> word I use in an rmcr post. I trust that most people get what I'm
> saying. Perhaps I'm wrong.
ask that question about singers (or substitute the word "definitive"
for "best") that they strongly dislike, to an extent that any
reasonable discussion is virtually impossible.
> BTW - I will admit that I'd probably be more exacting in my word
> choices were rmcr anything but a shadow of its former self these days.
use, and the quality of our postings. It's not my fault, or the fault
of this forum, if you're careless about how you choose to present your
opinions. The reason RMO is "a shadow of its former self" is that
there are a lot of people who are similarly careless, or worse.
Bill
Gerard
May 25, 2012, 12:58:21 PM5/25/12
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Edward Cowan
May 25, 2012, 3:25:40 PM5/25/12
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Thanks for that report. I have (I think!) only one Membran set, namely
the 66 CD set of the Michael Raucheisen Lieder project recorded for
Berlin radio back in the early 1940s. Onc curiosity about this set,
apart from its generally dismal sound, is the presence of only three
titles by Frida Leider. I have on other sources (some of them Preiser
LPs) that list several other items with Raucheisen and attributed to the
RRG Lieder project. I know that Raucheisen made many 78rpm recordings,
but the ones I'm writing about are not those. As an historical document,
the Membran set is without parallel, but it should have been made to
sound better. --E.A.C.
--
hrabanus
the 66 CD set of the Michael Raucheisen Lieder project recorded for
Berlin radio back in the early 1940s. Onc curiosity about this set,
apart from its generally dismal sound, is the presence of only three
titles by Frida Leider. I have on other sources (some of them Preiser
LPs) that list several other items with Raucheisen and attributed to the
RRG Lieder project. I know that Raucheisen made many 78rpm recordings,
but the ones I'm writing about are not those. As an historical document,
the Membran set is without parallel, but it should have been made to
sound better. --E.A.C.
hrabanus
Steve de Mena
May 26, 2012, 4:13:37 AM5/26/12
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Steve
Matthew B. Tepper
May 26, 2012, 10:58:30 AM5/26/12
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oldger...@nospam.com (Edward Cowan) appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:1kknm6v.1f5wizx1alj5rmN%oldger...@nospam.com:
> Thanks for that report. I have (I think!) only one Membran set, namely
> the 66 CD set of the Michael Raucheisen Lieder project recorded for Berlin
> radio back in the early 1940s. Onc curiosity about this set, apart from its
> generally dismal sound, is the presence of only three titles by Frida
> Leider. I have on other sources (some of them Preiser LPs) that list
> several other items with Raucheisen and attributed to the RRG Lieder
> project. I know that Raucheisen made many 78rpm recordings, but the ones
> I'm writing about are not those. As an historical document, the Membran set
> is without parallel, but it should have been made to sound better. --E.A.C.
I think there are nine Leider/Raucheisen Lieder recordings on Preiser; some
of these (at least) have also been issued by Naxos Historical.
Another project that's never been done properly, and really ought to be,
would be a collection of Toscanini's V-Discs. (Note the "properly"!)
--
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letters to be typed in news:1kknm6v.1f5wizx1alj5rmN%oldger...@nospam.com:
> Thanks for that report. I have (I think!) only one Membran set, namely
> the 66 CD set of the Michael Raucheisen Lieder project recorded for Berlin
> radio back in the early 1940s. Onc curiosity about this set, apart from its
> generally dismal sound, is the presence of only three titles by Frida
> Leider. I have on other sources (some of them Preiser LPs) that list
> several other items with Raucheisen and attributed to the RRG Lieder
> project. I know that Raucheisen made many 78rpm recordings, but the ones
> I'm writing about are not those. As an historical document, the Membran set
> is without parallel, but it should have been made to sound better. --E.A.C.
of these (at least) have also been issued by Naxos Historical.
Another project that's never been done properly, and really ought to be,
would be a collection of Toscanini's V-Discs. (Note the "properly"!)
--
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Edward Cowan
May 26, 2012, 7:49:01 PM5/26/12
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Indeed! True, some of the V-Discs duplicate recordings that have also
appeared commercially on RCA-Victor LPs and CDs. I have heard only one
of these, borrowed long ago from a friend of mine. This was Ferde
Grofé's Grand Canyon Suite (V-Disc 561, dated September 2, 1945). I'm
not sure at this time that the entire work was included in that
recording. The date is nine days before AT made his commercial recording
of it (September 11, 1945).
(See list of all of AT's V-Discs in: Robert Charles Marsh, _Toscanini
and the Art of Conducting_, new, revised edition. New York: Collier
Books, 1962.) At this remove -- that was some time in the 1970's -- I
don't recall a lot about this V Disc except that it was very noisy.
Apparently there were a great many V-Discs issued with other performers,
recordings that have occasionally reappeared on CD since 1983. One that
I have heard is Fritz Reiner's performance of Hindemith's _Mathis der
Maler_ symphony (on Lys). I'm told that several of these are available
in better sound than that heard directly from the discs themselves.
Perhaps there exist among them some rare performances that have never
been heard elsewhere. --E.A.C.
Matthew B. Tepper <oy˛@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Another project that's never been done properly, and really ought to be,
> would be a collection of Toscanini's V-Discs. (Note the "properly"!)
--
hrabanus
appeared commercially on RCA-Victor LPs and CDs. I have heard only one
of these, borrowed long ago from a friend of mine. This was Ferde
Grofé's Grand Canyon Suite (V-Disc 561, dated September 2, 1945). I'm
not sure at this time that the entire work was included in that
recording. The date is nine days before AT made his commercial recording
of it (September 11, 1945).
(See list of all of AT's V-Discs in: Robert Charles Marsh, _Toscanini
and the Art of Conducting_, new, revised edition. New York: Collier
Books, 1962.) At this remove -- that was some time in the 1970's -- I
don't recall a lot about this V Disc except that it was very noisy.
Apparently there were a great many V-Discs issued with other performers,
recordings that have occasionally reappeared on CD since 1983. One that
I have heard is Fritz Reiner's performance of Hindemith's _Mathis der
Maler_ symphony (on Lys). I'm told that several of these are available
in better sound than that heard directly from the discs themselves.
Perhaps there exist among them some rare performances that have never
been heard elsewhere. --E.A.C.
Matthew B. Tepper <oy˛@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Another project that's never been done properly, and really ought to be,
> would be a collection of Toscanini's V-Discs. (Note the "properly"!)
--
Matthew B. Tepper
May 27, 2012, 2:11:46 PM5/27/12
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oldger...@nospam.com (Edward Cowan) appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:1kkps7v.dkwz495nswm2N%oldger...@nospam.com:
> Indeed! True, some of the V-Discs duplicate recordings that have also
> appeared commercially on RCA-Victor LPs and CDs. I have heard only one of
> these, borrowed long ago from a friend of mine. This was Ferde Grofé's
> Grand Canyon Suite (V-Disc 561, dated September 2, 1945). I'm not sure at
> this time that the entire work was included in that recording. The date
> is nine days before AT made his commercial recording of it (September 11,
> 1945).
>
> (See list of all of AT's V-Discs in: Robert Charles Marsh, _Toscanini
> and the Art of Conducting_, new, revised edition. New York: Collier
> Books, 1962.) At this remove -- that was some time in the 1970's -- I
> don't recall a lot about this V Disc except that it was very noisy.
listing of Toscanini's repertory (as performed with orchestras in the UK,
and with American orchestras in the USA and on tour), didn't make it into
the revised paperback. Both books use the same Hupka photo on the cover.
> Apparently there were a great many V-Discs issued with other performers,
> recordings that have occasionally reappeared on CD since 1983. One that
> I have heard is Fritz Reiner's performance of Hindemith's _Mathis der
> Maler_ symphony (on Lys). I'm told that several of these are available
> in better sound than that heard directly from the discs themselves.
> Perhaps there exist among them some rare performances that have never
> been heard elsewhere. --E.A.C.
Canfield of Ars Antiqua?
aesthete8
May 28, 2012, 7:46:09 PM5/28/12
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> Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliestrecordingsof these
- ...The set in which the young Fischer-Dieskau performs "Wayfarer",
"Kindertotenlieder", and the "Ruckert" songs is the most highly
recommended; it's the single best Mahler song disc and a great bargain
(EMI 47657)
http://books.google.com/books?id=ayT5T59ckzIC&pg=PA557&lpg=PA557&dq=%22it's+the+single+best+mahler+song+disc%22&source=bl&ots=VMLM5xD2lk&sig=UBPNFCh3rt-Iu8vBD1eVO_Lc1Fo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DQ3ET8SSNMGoiALf0rTiBw&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22it's%20the%20single%20best%20mahler%20song%20disc%22&f=false
> supposed to be among the best?
According to the following:
- ...The set in which the young Fischer-Dieskau performs "Wayfarer",
"Kindertotenlieder", and the "Ruckert" songs is the most highly
recommended; it's the single best Mahler song disc and a great bargain
(EMI 47657)
http://books.google.com/books?id=ayT5T59ckzIC&pg=PA557&lpg=PA557&dq=%22it's+the+single+best+mahler+song+disc%22&source=bl&ots=VMLM5xD2lk&sig=UBPNFCh3rt-Iu8vBD1eVO_Lc1Fo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DQ3ET8SSNMGoiALf0rTiBw&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22it's%20the%20single%20best%20mahler%20song%20disc%22&f=false
aesthete8
May 29, 2012, 3:44:16 AM5/29/12
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On May 28, 1:46 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://image.allmusic.com/00/acg/cov200/cl000/l027/l02740h7r99.jpg
> On May 22, 9:54 am,aesthete8<art...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you have any?
>
> > Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliestrecordingsof these
> > supposed to be among the best?
>
> According to the following:
>
> - ...The set in which the young Fischer-Dieskau performs "Wayfarer",
> "Kindertotenlieder", and the "Ruckert" songs is the most highly
> recommended; it's the single best Mahler song disc and a great bargain
> (EMI 47657)
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=ayT5T59ckzIC&pg=PA557&lpg=PA557&dq=%...
>
> > Do you have any?
>
> > Concerning Mahler lieder, weren't his earliestrecordingsof these
> > supposed to be among the best?
>
> According to the following:
>
> - ...The set in which the young Fischer-Dieskau performs "Wayfarer",
> "Kindertotenlieder", and the "Ruckert" songs is the most highly
> recommended; it's the single best Mahler song disc and a great bargain
> (EMI 47657)
>
http://image.allmusic.com/00/acg/cov200/cl000/l027/l02740h7r99.jpg
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Angelotti
Jun 3, 2012, 9:40:14 AM6/3/12
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On 3 jun, 15:17, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 05:05:49 +1000, Mark S wrote
> (in article
> <5f380c8f-756b-4d5f-a9db-05598e450...@x6g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>):
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Terry
If you really thinks so, you have never heard this recording of Souzay
from 1959 (?):
http://www.amazon.com/Gerard-Souzay-Ravel-Debussy-Melodies/dp/B00008ETYY/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1338730565&sr=1-2
(The Debussy melodies were recorded rather lately, I think in 1973)
Hvdlinden
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 05:05:49 +1000, Mark S wrote
> (in article
> <5f380c8f-756b-4d5f-a9db-05598e450...@x6g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> > compared to the competition.
>
> The Ravel songs.
> > Name a DFD recording that is the best recording available when
> > compared to the competition.
>
>
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Terry
If you really thinks so, you have never heard this recording of Souzay
from 1959 (?):
http://www.amazon.com/Gerard-Souzay-Ravel-Debussy-Melodies/dp/B00008ETYY/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1338730565&sr=1-2
(The Debussy melodies were recorded rather lately, I think in 1973)
Hvdlinden
Randy Lane
Jun 3, 2012, 8:06:24 PM6/3/12
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(The Debussy melodies were recorded rather lately, I think in 1973)
Hvdlinden
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How would you compare the Souzay Debussy on that CD with this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000060O5C
If you really thinks so, you have never heard this recording of Souzay
from 1959 (?):
http://www.amazon.com/Gerard-Souzay-Ravel-Debussy-Melodies/dp/B00008E...
from 1959 (?):
(The Debussy melodies were recorded rather lately, I think in 1973)
Hvdlinden
How would you compare the Souzay Debussy on that CD with this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000060O5C
aesthete8
Jun 6, 2012, 6:31:20 AM6/6/12
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1-hr. radio program featuring Fischer-D.'s Strauss recordings.
Just click on the link below and then click on HPR-1(KHPR) on June 10
at 7PM Hawaii time:
http://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/singingandothersins
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