complete beethoven violin sonatas
M-T
Casadesus-Francescatti (CBS/Sony). Other very good sets are
Neikrug-Zukerman, Argerich-Kremer, Ashkenazy-Perlman, and
Barenboim-Zukerman (MHS used to have this). I have only heard one disk
of Jando-Nishizaki, but I was favorably impressed with it. I cannot
comment on Rosand since I haven't heard it.
Regards,
mt
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joy? I like the Goldberg/Kraus selections (Mozart/Beethoven) on Music & Arts,
as well as the Grumiaux/Arrau selections on Philips, but alas, I'm looking for
the whole enchilada.
I've seen Szigeti/Arrau on sale at Berkshire, but I've heard these were when
Szigeti was not quite in his prime.
Would love suggestions for Szigeti, Heifetz or Milstein and would gladly listen
to some new ideas.
Thanks much.
Neil
nint...@aol.com
Simon Roberts
: Any recommends for a complete set that will bring economic as well as aesthetic
Aaron Rosand's set on Vox costs no more than $15; I don't think you can do
better as performances regardless of price, at least as far as the violin
contribution is concerned (the piano is a bit backwardly balanced).
Simon
David Hillman
NINTRAUB <nint...@aol.com> wrote:
>Any recommends for a complete set that will bring economic as well as aesthetic
>joy? I like the Goldberg/Kraus selections (Mozart/Beethoven) on Music & Arts,
>as well as the Grumiaux/Arrau selections on Philips, but alas, I'm looking for
>the whole enchilada.
>
>I've seen Szigeti/Arrau on sale at Berkshire, but I've heard these were when
>Szigeti was not quite in his prime.
>
>Would love suggestions for Szigeti, Heifetz or Milstein and would gladly listen
>to some new ideas.
>
>
>Neil
>nint...@aol.com
If your buget can afford Japanese cds, try to find
THE ART OF SCHNEIDERHAN" - INITIAL PRESSING ONLY
POCG90192 (1CD) JP\1,200 BEETHOVEN:VIOLIN SONATA #1,#2,#3,#4
POCG90193 (1CD) JP\1,200 BEETHOVEN:VIOLIN SONATA #5,#6,#7
POCG90194 (1CD) JP\1,200 BEETHOVEN:VIOLIN SONATA #8,#9,#10
I got my copy from Abend
http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~abend/index.html
joey
NINTRAUB
>better as performances regardless of price, at least as far as the violin
>contribution is concerned (the piano is a bit backwardly balanced).
>
>Simon
>
>
>
>
>
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll go for broke and open up the recommends for
all price ranges. I think I'd prefer more balance between violin and piano.
Neil
nint...@aol.com
PGoldst515
Bogonia (spelling approximate) on Calliope. True chamber music collaboration,
brisk tempi, excellent balance between instruments. These are widely available
as cutouts, both at Tower Outlets and (I think) from Berkshire.
Paul Goldstein
Simon Roberts
: Thanks for the suggestion. I'll go for broke and open up the recommends for
: all price ranges. I think I'd prefer more balance between violin and piano.
OK; well, I would suggest Kremer/Argerich/DG (the most extrovert
performances I know); Stern/Istomin/Sony (a bit less intense), and
Messiereur/Bogugna/Calliope (a remarkable combination of fleetness and
elegance from two musicians who obviously should be better known).
Simon
David R L Porter
from nint...@aol.com (NINTRAUB) contains these words:
> I think I'd prefer more balance between violin and piano.
In which case, as you've mentioned Heifitz, make sure you listen
before you buy. I have cherished these recordings for years and it
was only in a fairly recent discussion in this newsgroup that I was
forced to listen with fresh ears to the balance. It's not good.
On the other hand I was so fond of the performances, I'd never
noticed until then ...
--
Best wishes,
Benjamin Maso
NINTRAUB wrote in message <19990325213808...@ng61.aol.com>...
>Any recommends for a complete set that will bring economic as well as
aesthetic
>joy? I like the Goldberg/Kraus selections (Mozart/Beethoven) on Music &
Arts,
>as well as the Grumiaux/Arrau selections on Philips, but alas, I'm looking
for
>the whole enchilada.
>
>I've seen Szigeti/Arrau on sale at Berkshire, but I've heard these were
when
>Szigeti was not quite in his prime.
>
>Would love suggestions for Szigeti, Heifetz or Milstein and would gladly
listen
>to some new ideas.
>
>Thanks much.
>
>Neil
>nint...@aol.com
I don't know it's still available, but IMO Grumiaux/Haskil has perhaps been
equalled, but not yet surpassed.
As far as I know Milstein has never recorded a complete set. Szigeti only
with Arrau (live), but the sound isn't very good and Szigeti was already
past his best. Heifetz recorded 9 sonata's with Emanuel Bay between 1947 and
1952, and then 10th with Brooks Smith in 1960, but if you want a proper
balance between violon and piano they are out of court.
Benjo Maso
Dave Gomberg
> I bought the new Mutter/Orkis but lent it out before I could listen--any
> comments on it?
>
> I wonder if these pieces can really bear the massive tonal (and emotional)
> range she employs these days.
>
> S.
>
I got my set a couple of weeks ago and I've had a chance to listen
to all of it just once. I've purposefully put it aside for a while
with the intention of coming back to it to see how I react to it
next time around. My hesitancy has nothing to do with "massive tonal
sound" because only rarely does that happen. In fact, I find these
performances are a bit on the reserved side - both players. When I
say reserved, that includes both emotional and tempo choices. Those
interested in a balanced sound between the piano and violin will
find it here. Also on the plus side, these are very carefully crafted
performances. Orkis and Mutter played these in concert for almost
a year (to the exclusion of almost everything else) before recording
them. There is clear unanimity and consistency in their approach -
whether it is anyone's particular cup of tea is another matter.
I found a lot to like in them, but I'm not sure about the long term.
Dave Gomberg
Simon Roberts
: I bought the new Mutter/Orkis but lent it out before I could listen--any
: comments on it?
: I wonder if these pieces can really bear the massive tonal (and emotional)
: range she employs these days.
Well, if anyone can take a massive emotional range, I should have thought
Beethoven could. I rather like her contribution to the set aside from her
massive vibrato in the early sonatas; sounds all wrong to me (expecially
since she shows that she's capable of playing with little or no vibrato at
times). There are some "agogic distortions" (accurately described in
Gramophone, if memory serves), which may prove tireseome on repetition
(they haven't bothered me yet; the secret is not to repeat too often, of
course...). I have some doubts about Orkis; he's a bit too much of an
accompanists, seldom if ever taking the lead.
Simon
John Harkness
Steven Chung wrote:
> I bought the new Mutter/Orkis but lent it out before I could listen--any
> comments on it?
You did WHAT?
>
>
> I wonder if these pieces can really bear the massive tonal (and emotional)
> range she employs these days.
>
> S.
Yes, they can -- they certainly did when she played them live.
John
Jim Greif
>
> I bought the new Mutter/Orkis but lent it out before I could listen--any
> comments on it?
>
> range she employs these days.
>
> S.
I heard the duo perform live twice at Carnegie last year. Missed the
third concert (including, of course, the Kreutzer). The massive
emotional range you refer to escaped me. I found the performances
competent, but strangely uninvolving. Not emotional at all to me.
Chacun a son gout, I suppose.
Jim
Simon Roberts
: Simon Roberts wrote:
: > Messiereur/Bogugna/Calliope (a remarkable combination of fleetness and
: > elegance from two musicians who obviously should be better known).
: Messiereur is perhaps better known as the leader of the Talich Quartet
: (I assume it is the same person).
Yes it is (and the same pianist can be heard on the same label in the
cello sonatas.
By the way, can anyone comment on the Claude/Pamela Frank recording of the
violin sonatas? I don't think I've heard any of them.
Simon
Thomas Deas
Kreisler/Rupp reissue was rather strongly critical of the joins between 78
sides. Is that fair? If so, are they available better elsewhere? There's one
Magic Talent disc, I know...
samir ghiocel golescu
On 27 Mar 1999, Simon Roberts wrote:
> (Do you really think Oistrakh/Oborin
> is "great"?)
Oistrakh is "greatish". Oborin plays with thin, constricted and
constipated sound.
SG
samir ghiocel golescu
On 27 Mar 1999, Simon Roberts wrote:
> samir ghiocel golescu (gol...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> Well, I usually like Oistrakh, so I shall blame Oborin for this (I've
> heard only a couple of other things from him, I think -- including a
> Beethoven Triple? -- all of which I thought were boring), whose
> contribution to this (to my ears) soporific set is terribly bland. Was he
> ever a more alert interpreter? Is he the one certifiably dud Russian
> pianist?
I'm afraid so... I had some Soviet 78s of him -- an Emperor?... and I
didn't like any.
He won the first Chopin Competition in Warsaw, in 1927 I believe.
Why? The Red Army wasn't there yet (-:
SG
zaka...@aol.com
recorded live in New York in 1986. You don't get the same kind of virtuosity
of Heifetz, but you really cannot beat the ensemble or excitement of these
recordings. It is quite amazing that these recordings are live.
Has anyone else heard these recordings?
Zak.
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John Harkness
Simon Roberts wrote:
> samir ghiocel golescu (gol...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>
> : On 27 Mar 1999, Simon Roberts wrote:
>
> : > (Do you really think Oistrakh/Oborin
> : > is "great"?)
>
> : Oistrakh is "greatish". Oborin plays with thin, constricted and
> : constipated sound.
>
> Well, I usually like Oistrakh, so I shall blame Oborin for this (I've
> heard only a couple of other things from him, I think -- including a
> Beethoven Triple? -- all of which I thought were boring), whose
> contribution to this (to my ears) soporific set is terribly bland. Was he
> ever a more alert interpreter? Is he the one certifiably dud Russian
> pianist?
>
> Simon
Well, there's Bronfman.
Wasn't Oborin Oistrakh's cousin or brother-in-law or some other relation?
John
samir ghiocel golescu
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, John Harkness wrote:
>
> Wasn't Oborin Oistrakh's cousin or brother-in-law or some other relation?
When you think of Mahler and Rose, Prihoda and Mahler, Busch and Serkin,
Kogan father Kogan son and Nina Kogan, Richter and Nina Richter--Dorliak,
Horowitz and Wanda Toscanini, Victor and Tatiana Pikaisen, Furtwangler's
ilegitimate child who played with him a Mozart Concerto (if the gossip is
true!), Yehudi and Yepzibah, Wolfgang and Nannerl, Weingartner and
his innumerable wives, Sauer and Angelica Morales, Rachmaninov and
Nathalie, Lhevinne and Rosina (add your own list) and you start asking
yourself: man, is music a family gang business or what?!! (-:
SG
C. N. Chew
> Messiereur/Bogugna/Calliope (a remarkable combination of fleetness and
> elegance from two musicians who obviously should be better known).
Messiereur is perhaps better known as the leader of the Talich Quartet
(I assume it is the same person).
Naun.
Philip Peters
NINTRAUB wrote:
> Any recommends for a complete set that will bring economic as well as aesthetic
> joy? I like the Goldberg/Kraus selections (Mozart/Beethoven) on Music & Arts,
> as well as the Grumiaux/Arrau selections on Philips, but alas, I'm looking for
> the whole enchilada.
In that case Grumiaux/Haskil will surely satisfy you.
Otrher great sets: Oistrakh/Oborin, Szeryng/Haebler, Kreisler/Rupp, Heifetz/Bay,
Francescatti/Casadesus (is this complete? I'm not sure off the top of my head),
Menuhin/Kempff, Stern/Istomin, Perlman/Ashkenazy.
Philip
>
>
>
>
>
>
Philip Peters
You are fond of a performance and let someone talk you out of it? I love
Heifetz's Beethoven sonatas and nobody is going to ruin that for me. Of
course it's typical Heifetz: dazzling virtuoso performances and
sometimes you get the idea that he has a plane to catch. But what a
fiddler! For lovers of the violin.
Philip
>
>
> --
>
Simon Roberts
: In that case Grumiaux/Haskil will surely satisfy you.
: Otrher great sets: Oistrakh/Oborin, Szeryng/Haebler, Kreisler/Rupp, Heifetz/Bay,
: Francescatti/Casadesus (is this complete? I'm not sure off the top of my head),
: Menuhin/Kempff, Stern/Istomin, Perlman/Ashkenazy.
Francescatti is complete, on three separate discs (around here, anyway; I
dare say there's an integral something or other in Japan), though you have
to combine releases in two different series (it involves a duplication
along the way -- op. 96) to do so. (Do you really think Oistrakh/Oborin
is "great"?)
Simon
Simon Roberts
: On 27 Mar 1999, Simon Roberts wrote:
: > (Do you really think Oistrakh/Oborin
: > is "great"?)
: Oistrakh is "greatish". Oborin plays with thin, constricted and
Fred Rupert
may I recommend the Teldec recording of Nathan Milstein's last recital, at age 82
in Stockholm. The Kreutzer Sonata on this disk gave me goose bumps. The first
movement is terrific. Virtuosic, fast paced, and extremely musical. This
performance shows why Milstein was (and is!) so highly regarded. He could be
tremendous in a live performance. There are a few live performance imperfections,
but these are insignificant comared to the sheer vitality of the playing.
NINTRAUB wrote:
> Any recommends for a complete set that will bring economic as well as aesthetic
> joy? I like the Goldberg/Kraus selections (Mozart/Beethoven) on Music & Arts,
> as well as the Grumiaux/Arrau selections on Philips, but alas, I'm looking for
> the whole enchilada.
>
Nicolas Hodges
writes
I disagree. I've heard him do Prokofiev 2nd Concerto live (in Italy) and
it was astounding. I agree that his Sony recording of it is dull though,
but that's a different matter.
Is your comment based just on recordings or on hearing him live too?
--
Nic
Josh Stern
>John Harkness <j...@netcom.ca> writes
>>Simon Roberts wrote:
>>> Well, I usually like Oistrakh, so I shall blame Oborin for this (I've
>>> heard only a couple of other things from him, I think -- including a
>>> Beethoven Triple? -- all of which I thought were boring), whose
>>> contribution to this (to my ears) soporific set is terribly bland. Was he
>>> ever a more alert interpreter? Is he the one certifiably dud Russian
>>> pianist?
>> Well, there's Bronfman.
>I disagree. I've heard him do Prokofiev 2nd Concerto live (in Italy) and
>it was astounding. I agree that his Sony recording of it is dull though,
>but that's a different matter.
Bronfman's record of Bartok concertos with Salonen is very strong.
I think I like it even better than Fricsay, but haven't really
sat down to the comparison.
- Josh
Josh Stern
>Bronfman's record of Bartok concertos with Salonen is very strong.
>I think I like it even better than Fricsay, but haven't really
>sat down to the comparison.
Should have written Anda/Fricsay - that doesn't sound as strange.
- Josh
Philip Peters
Simon Roberts wrote:
> (Do you really think Oistrakh/Oborin
> is "great"?)
Yes. Don't you? ;))
Philip
>
>
> Simon
John Harkness
Nicolas Hodges wrote:
> In article <36FC5A05...@netcom.ca>, John Harkness <j...@netcom.ca>
> writes
> >
> >
> >Simon Roberts wrote:
> >
> >> samir ghiocel golescu (gol...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> >>
> >> : On 27 Mar 1999, Simon Roberts wrote:
> >>
> >> : > (Do you really think Oistrakh/Oborin
> >> : > is "great"?)
> >>
> >> : Oistrakh is "greatish". Oborin plays with thin, constricted and
> >> : constipated sound.
> >>
> >> Well, I usually like Oistrakh, so I shall blame Oborin for this (I've
> >> heard only a couple of other things from him, I think -- including a
> >> Beethoven Triple? -- all of which I thought were boring), whose
> >> contribution to this (to my ears) soporific set is terribly bland. Was he
> >> ever a more alert interpreter? Is he the one certifiably dud Russian
> >> pianist?
> >>
> >> Simon
> >
> > Well, there's Bronfman.
>
> I disagree. I've heard him do Prokofiev 2nd Concerto live (in Italy) and
> it was astounding. I agree that his Sony recording of it is dull though,
> but that's a different matter.
>
> Is your comment based just on recordings or on hearing him live too?
> --
> Nic
Both. Seen him live once -- Did some Prokofiev sonatas.
John
John Gavin
Heifetz captures a wound-up tension that is so inherent in Beethoven.
I wish that Heifetz was able to collaborate with great pianists more
frequently (Kapell, Rubinstein, Moisewitch). (I've always dreamed of a
Heifetz-Rachmaninoff duo!!) Bay and Smith were good, but they were
not on the same level of originality.
David R L Porter
from Philip Peters <phi...@p-peters.demon.nl> contains these words:
> You are fond of a performance and let someone talk you out of it? I love
> Heifetz's Beethoven sonatas and nobody is going to ruin that for me. Of
> course it's typical Heifetz: dazzling virtuoso performances and
> sometimes you get the idea that he has a plane to catch. But what a
> fiddler! For lovers of the violin.
Not at all! I just meant that I hadn't realised the poor balance
until somebody pointed it out to me here. I haven't been talked out
of Heifitz. It's still my only complete cycle and it still gets
played frequently. In fact 'fond' was probably a bit too weak a word.
I don't really care about the balance, because as I said at the time
I know the music fairly well and my ear reinforces the piano surreptitiously.
While I'm on, a massive plug again for Yehudi and Hapzibah Menuhin
playing the Spring and Kreutzer sonatas, if you can find it (I only
know it on LP).
Best wishes,
David.
david....@zetnet.co.uk
Philip Peters
David R L Porter wrote:
> The message <36FC4420...@p-peters.demon.nl>
> from Philip Peters <phi...@p-peters.demon.nl> contains these words:
>
> > You are fond of a performance and let someone talk you out of it? I love
> > Heifetz's Beethoven sonatas and nobody is going to ruin that for me. Of
> > course it's typical Heifetz: dazzling virtuoso performances and
> > sometimes you get the idea that he has a plane to catch. But what a
> > fiddler! For lovers of the violin.
>
> Not at all! I just meant that I hadn't realised the poor balance
> until somebody pointed it out to me here. I haven't been talked out
> of Heifitz. It's still my only complete cycle and it still gets
> played frequently. In fact 'fond' was probably a bit too weak a word.
> I don't really care about the balance, because as I said at the time
> I know the music fairly well and my ear reinforces the piano surreptitiously.
I see. I'm sorry. I'm glad. ;))
> While I'm on, a massive plug again for Yehudi and Hapzibah Menuhin
> playing the Spring and Kreutzer sonatas, if you can find it (I only
> know it on LP).
I totally agree. The Kreutzer is reissued by EMI in a 5 CD box on the occasion of
Menuhin's 80th birthday. Ach, Menuhin.....
Philip
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> David.
> david....@zetnet.co.uk