Giulini/Philharmonia Brahms recordings reissued
pgaron
recordings of the Brahms symphonies and piano concertos (with Arrau).
For someone who already has many recordings of Brahms symphonies and
PC's, plus a lot of Giulini recordings (though not these, IIRC), is
this set an especially worthwhile acquisition?
pgaron
wkasimer
This probably won't help you much, but when I looked around RMCR for
opinions of these Philharmonia recordings, the consensus seemed to be
that they were inferior to Giulini's VPO and LAPO Brahms recordings.
Bill
Matthew Silverstein
I don't think so. The Giulini/Brahms set to get is the one on DG with the
VPO.
Matty
jrsnfld
I haven't compared old Giulini to young Giulini in this repertoire,
but when I do listen to his Philharmonia Brahms (I have only some of
it), I find it mostly very satisfying and very, very beautiful.
Interesting enough to own and enjoy and not a wasteful duplication of
his later recordings. The Philharmonia was a great orchestra back then
(not to say they aren't now) and Giulini was a great conductor.
You probably already have Giulini's DG recordings and are not
philosophically opposed to getting multiple recordings with the same
conductor of the same works. So you shouldn't hesitate to investigate
if the price is low enough. Obviously because you're asking the
question, you like Giulini enough to want to hear these. You won't be
disappointed, but don't go in expecting exactly what you have on DG.
Then on top of that, there's the Arrau factor. If you like Arrau in
Brahms, then this would be a natural purchase.
--Jeff
Paul Goldstein
says...
I don't think it's that cut-and-dried. The cycles are substantially different
in interpretative approach. If you like a tauter, more classical approach to
Brahms, the Giulini/Philharmonia cycle is hard to beat. EMI's early 1960s
recordings of the Philharmonia Orchestra, whether produced by Legge or someone
else, are almost always technically superb, but the Giulini Brahms recordings
may be the best of them all. That rich, beautifully blended orchestral sound is
very special to me. The Vienna cycle, typical of Giulini's later recordings,
offers the unique but highly idiosyncratic insights of a great musician. (As do
the LA Brahms 1 and 2.)
Then there are the Arrau/Giulini concerti. I don't like them very much, because
I find Arrau too introspective and ponderous. But I do listen to them from time
to time because of the great beauty of the orchestral accompaniments.
jrsnfld
> In article <1ti3ejlzfyekh$.9lfkm3ncjlfj....@40tude.net>, Matthew Silverstein
> says...
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:13:07 -0800 (PST), pgaron wrote:
>
> >> EMI is reissuing in a box set the Giulini/Philharmonia Orch.
> >> recordings of the Brahms symphonies and piano concertos (with Arrau).
> >> For someone who already has many recordings of Brahms symphonies and
> >> PC's, plus a lot of Giulini recordings (though not these, IIRC), is
> >> this set an especially worthwhile acquisition?
>
> >I don't think so. The Giulini/Brahms set to get is the one on DG with the
> >VPO.
>
> I don't think it's that cut-and-dried. The cycles are substantially different
> in interpretative approach. If you like a tauter, more classical approach to
> Brahms, the Giulini/Philharmonia cycle is hard to beat. EMI's early 1960s
> recordings of the Philharmonia Orchestra, whether produced by Legge or someone
> else, are almost always technically superb, but the Giulini Brahms recordings
> may be the best of them all. That rich, beautifully blended orchestral sound is
> very special to me. The Vienna cycle, typical of Giulini's later recordings,
> offers the unique but highly idiosyncratic insights of a great musician. (As do
> the LA Brahms 1 and 2.)
Tauter? Yes, I might agree. More classical? I'm not sure. At least, it
doesn't strike me as particularly "classical", or rather, opposed to
"romantic". But I agree that Giulini's Brahms with the Philharmonia is
not soppy or sentimental or highly manipulated (or manipulative) and
less "idiosyncratic" than Giuilini's late, slow and massive but still
reasonably transparent Brahms. The star of this recording is, as you
point out, the magnificent sounding orchestra (with due credit to the
engineers and to Giulini, of course) still very different than the
Vienna and LA orchestras GIulini later recorded with. Very beautiful
recordings, very beautiful playing.
--Jeff
pianomaven
Correct.
TD
ivanmaxim
>
> - Show quoted text -
How would you know who is actually playing, you old fraud??? Ypu've
mixed them up in the past.Wagner fan
Greg
Meh. The symphonies are well-played, but a bit on the safe and
passionless side, imo. I recall liking 4 better than the others, but
none of them are anywhere near the top of the list for me. Moderate,
middle of the road, careful; nowhere near as compelling as the later
recordings, especially the LAPO ones.
Greg
pgaron
interesting and useful comments in response to my posting. On the
question of price, MDT is offering the 5-CD box set for around $20.00
ex. VAT:
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//6483162.htm
So it's not too hefty an investment to check it out.
pgaron
On Feb 9, 2:28 pm, jrsnfld <jrsn...@aol.com> wrote:
Matthew B. Tepper
be typed in news:152dff13-4191-4a94-9aac-cee6b1dfb95d@
8g2000prt.googlegroups.com:
> Thanks to Jeff -- and others who have weighed in -- for the interesting and
> useful comments in response to my posting. On the question of price, MDT is
> offering the 5-CD box set for around $20.00 ex. VAT:
>
> http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//6483162.htm
>
> So it's not too hefty an investment to check it out.
As long as you've mentioned MDT, I'm curious as to whether any other
newsgroup members have noticed any slowdown in delivery of product. I placed
an order on 16 November 2010 which shipped two days later, and which did not
arrive at my office until 22 or 23 December! I had thought I was well ahead
of the Christmas ordering rush, so maybe that was the reason, but another
shipment from MDT from 17 December did not arrive until 27 January.
--
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Read about "Proty" here: http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/proty.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers
ivanmaxim
Yes I have - Crochet was much faster Wagner Fan
Bob Harper
> pgaron<pga...@my-deja.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
> be typed in news:152dff13-4191-4a94-9aac-cee6b1dfb95d@
> 8g2000prt.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Thanks to Jeff -- and others who have weighed in -- for the interesting and
>> useful comments in response to my posting. On the question of price, MDT is
>> offering the 5-CD box set for around $20.00 ex. VAT:
>>
>> http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//6483162.htm
>>
>> So it's not too hefty an investment to check it out.
>
> As long as you've mentioned MDT, I'm curious as to whether any other
> newsgroup members have noticed any slowdown in delivery of product. I placed
> an order on 16 November 2010 which shipped two days later, and which did not
> arrive at my office until 22 or 23 December! I had thought I was well ahead
> of the Christmas ordering rush, so maybe that was the reason, but another
> shipment from MDT from 17 December did not arrive until 27 January.
>
down and that Christmas is pretty heavy for mail, but...
Bob Harper
Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in
Yes, I had considered those things. But consider this as well: I received
an envelope in the mail three or four weeks ago. It had once contained my
subscription copy of the Jan/Feb 2011 Fanfare, but had torn open in transit
and bore a notation to that effect by the USPS. I wrote to Fanfare on 1/31
to beg for a replacement. Joel Flegler wrote back the same day, "I'll send
you a replacement tomorrow. Sorry for the problem!" The replacement issue
arrived in a Priority Mail envelope on 2/2, so it presumably got out of New
Jersey in advance of that particular bunch of blizzards.
I'm now thinking the problem with my MDT order was the transAtlantic part
of the shipment. That's why I'm curious as to whether anybody else here
has had a similar problem lately.
The takeaway from this of course is that both MDT and Fanfare are committed
to service to their customers/readers, even when the problem was certainly
not their fault to begin with.
Steve de Mena
> The takeaway from this of course is that both MDT and Fanfare are committed
> to service to their customers/readers, even when the problem was certainly
> not their fault to begin with.
About 2-3 weeks ago I ordered a couple of new CDs from two different
Amazon marketplace seller who ship from the UK. I received them in
about a week. (avatarmusic and Sent2u_by_HTS-Scotland) They were
cheap too!
Steve
Dan ONeill
news:Xns9E87B2AE77F...@216.168.3.70:
.
>
> As long as you've mentioned MDT, I'm curious as to whether any other
> newsgroup members have noticed any slowdown in delivery of product. I
> placed an order on 16 November 2010 which shipped two days later, and
> which did not arrive at my office until 22 or 23 December! I had
> thought I was well ahead of the Christmas ordering rush, so maybe that
> was the reason, but another shipment from MDT from 17 December did not
> arrive until 27 January.
>
I ordered a CD from Amazon.uk on Dec 30 which was reported shipped on Dec
31. As of yesterday, it had not arrived. I informed Amazon.uk, accordingly
and they immediately shipped a replacement copy (today). Based on what Bob
Harper reported, the original disk may still arrive.
--- d.o.
wanwan
> pgaron <pga...@my-deja.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
> be typed in news:152dff13-4191-4a94-9aac-cee6b1dfb95d@
> 8g2000prt.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Thanks to Jeff -- and others who have weighed in -- for the interesting and
> > useful comments in response to my posting. On the question of price, MDT is
> > offering the 5-CD box set for around $20.00 ex. VAT:
>
> >http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//6483162.htm
>
> > So it's not too hefty an investment to check it out.
>
> As long as you've mentioned MDT, I'm curious as to whether any other
> newsgroup members have noticed any slowdown in delivery of product. I placed
> an order on 16 November 2010 which shipped two days later, and which did not
> arrive at my office until 22 or 23 December! I had thought I was well ahead
> of the Christmas ordering rush, so maybe that was the reason, but another
> shipment from MDT from 17 December did not arrive until 27 January.
>
Previous order with MDT was shipped the day after Thanksgiving &
arrived the day after! Christmas. Forced me to buy a replacement gift.
After 2 weeks, i emailed them & the response was that they couldn't
track the package via Royal Mail & that I couldn't file a claim till a
month after it shipped.
Thinking that the Royal Mail might have been at fault during the
holidays, I recently placed another order with MDT which shipped on
1/30 and 2/1. Still no sign of the package of the 9th.
--------
Eric
Bob Harper
day before the order DID arrive), and they apologized and put in motion
a replacement. I just hope my email informing them that it had, in fact,
arrived reached them before the duplicate order left the premises. I
think someone named Murphy was involved in the whole affair.
Bob Harper
td
> pgaron <pga...@my-deja.com> appears to have caused the following letters to
> be typed in news:152dff13-4191-4a94-9aac-cee6b1dfb95d@
> 8g2000prt.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Thanks to Jeff -- and others who have weighed in -- for the interesting and
> > useful comments in response to my posting. On the question of price, MDT is
> > offering the 5-CD box set for around $20.00 ex. VAT:
>
> >http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//6483162.htm
>
> > So it's not too hefty an investment to check it out.
>
> As long as you've mentioned MDT, I'm curious as to whether any other
> newsgroup members have noticed any slowdown in delivery of product. I placed
> an order on 16 November 2010 which shipped two days later, and which did not
> arrive at my office until 22 or 23 December! I had thought I was well ahead
> of the Christmas ordering rush, so maybe that was the reason, but another
> shipment from MDT from 17 December did not arrive until 27 January.
What an idiot!
Didn't Tepper hear about the snow storms that blocked all air traffic
in Europe?
LA is such a remote, isolating place. A kind of never-never land. No
contact with reality.
Tepper might just as well live on the moon.
TD
td
Suck away, cumrag.
TD
ivanmaxim
>
> - Show quoted text -
The only thing you know about moons is when you go to the bus station
and drop your pants hoping someone will notice your flabby ass.
Wagner fan
td
You know my ass, do you?
HA HA HA HA HA HA
What a pathetic little bitchy queen you are.
TD
Kevin N
TMI, Wagner Fan!
ivanmaxim
No but the US navy does!!! Wagner fan
td
> > What a pathetic little bitchy queen you are.
>
> > TD- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> No but the US navy does!
I'm sure. Hang out on the docks in Philly, do you?
But not sure they really go for bitchy queens like you.
TD
wkasimer
> About 2-3 weeks ago I ordered a couple of new CDs from two different
> Amazon marketplace seller who ship from the UK. I received them in
> about a week. (avatarmusic and Sent2u_by_HTS-Scotland) They were
> cheap too!
Interesting. I ordered a couple of things from Avatar (probably the
same ones you did, Steve - those RCA reissues?), and hadn't received
them after six weeks. I wrote them a note, and received an apology
(and I promise that they'd send out replacements) and the following
statement:
"Since November 2010, the United States Department of Homeland
Security has increased security measures for items carried on
passenger airlines. As a result, mail entering the US from around the
world, and including the UK, that would normally be sent via passenger
aircraft must now travel by other means, including ships and cargo
planes.
"Most items, including personal letters and cards, will arrive in the
US within a few days of posting. However, these ongoing security
issues are continuing to cause delays to some items bound for the US.
The delays mainly affect heavier items, but also affect other items
including Destination Sort bags posted under contract by business
customers. We’re really sorry for these unavoidable delays and are
doing everything we can to keep mail moving out of and into the UK.
"We have implemented a number of contingency plans to ensure as much
of our customers’ mail reaches the US as quickly as possible.
We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause and are continuing
to work to minimise disruption to our customers, whilst ensuring we
comply fully with the US directives and regulations."
Steve Emerson
<38b0c280-5e89-45d3...@s29g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
wkasimer <wkas...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 11:22 pm, Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > About 2-3 weeks ago I ordered a couple of new CDs from two different
> > Amazon marketplace seller who ship from the UK. I received them in
> > about a week. (avatarmusic and Sent2u_by_HTS-Scotland) They were
> > cheap too!
>
> Interesting. I ordered a couple of things from Avatar (probably the
> same ones you did, Steve - those RCA reissues?), and hadn't received
> them after six weeks. I wrote them a note, and received an apology
> (and I promise that they'd send out replacements) and the following
> statement:
>
> "Since November 2010, the United States Department of Homeland
> Security has increased security measures for items carried on
> passenger airlines. As a result, mail entering the US from around the
> world, and including the UK, that would normally be sent via passenger
> aircraft must now travel by other means, including ships and cargo
> planes.
>
> "Most items, including personal letters and cards, will arrive in the
> US within a few days of posting. However, these ongoing security
> issues are continuing to cause delays to some items bound for the US.
> The delays mainly affect heavier items, but also affect other items
> including Destination Sort bags posted under contract by business
> customers. Weąre really sorry for these unavoidable delays and are
> doing everything we can to keep mail moving out of and into the UK.
>
> "We have implemented a number of contingency plans to ensure as much
> of our customersą mail reaches the US as quickly as possible.
> We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause and are continuing
> to work to minimise disruption to our customers, whilst ensuring we
> comply fully with the US directives and regulations."
I bought an LP via eBay from the UK, which went out on January 4 "Par
Avion." It arrived yesterday. The seller had already issued a refund.
SE.
Steve Emerson
Paul Goldstein <pgol...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> In article <1ti3ejlzfyekh$.9lfkm3nc...@40tude.net>, Matthew Silverstein
> says...
> >
> >On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:13:07 -0800 (PST), pgaron wrote:
> >
> >> EMI is reissuing in a box set the Giulini/Philharmonia Orch.
> >> recordings of the Brahms symphonies and piano concertos (with Arrau).
> >> For someone who already has many recordings of Brahms symphonies and
> >> PC's, plus a lot of Giulini recordings (though not these, IIRC), is
> >> this set an especially worthwhile acquisition?
> >
> >I don't think so. The Giulini/Brahms set to get is the one on DG with the
> >VPO.
>
> I don't think it's that cut-and-dried. The cycles are substantially
> different in interpretative approach. If you like a tauter, more
> classical approach to Brahms, the Giulini/Philharmonia cycle is hard
> to beat. EMI's early 1960s recordings of the Philharmonia Orchestra,
> whether produced by Legge or someone else, are almost always
> technically superb, but the Giulini Brahms recordings may be the best
> of them all. That rich, beautifully blended orchestral sound is very
> special to me.
To me too. And I have a strong preference for the Philharmonia Sym. 2
over the VPO. Although, like Jeff, I'm not sure I agree on "more
classical." I do hope the transfers are better than the
long-in-the-tooth ones that I know. I ended up seeking out a cassette of
the PO Sym. 4, and glad of it.
> The Vienna cycle, typical of Giulini's later
> recordings, offers the unique but highly idiosyncratic insights of a
> great musician. (As do the LA Brahms 1 and 2.)
>
> Then there are the Arrau/Giulini concerti. I don't like them very
> much, because I find Arrau too introspective and ponderous. But I do
> listen to them from time to time because of the great beauty of the
> orchestral accompaniments.
I think Arrau himself is better in some other accounts of the PCs.
SE.
Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:NCL4p.388162$ZM.108998@en-nntp-
02.dc1.easynews.com:
> I should add that I wrote to them about the issue yesterday I.e., the
> day before the order DID arrive), and they apologized and put in motion
> a replacement. I just hope my email informing them that it had, in fact,
> arrived reached them before the duplicate order left the premises. I
> think someone named Murphy was involved in the whole affair.
Under the pseudonym of Janet Napolitano.
Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:38b0c280-5e89-45d3-9f1b-
2f5be1...@s29g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
Dang it! This time those mofos have GONE TOO FAR!!!
Steve de Mena
> To me too. And I have a strong preference for the Philharmonia Sym. 2
> over the VPO. Although, like Jeff, I'm not sure I agree on "more
> classical." I do hope the transfers are better than the
> long-in-the-tooth ones that I know.
These are not new transfers, somewhere I saw the remastering dates and
I believe they date from the 1980s.
Steve
Steve de Mena
> On Feb 9, 11:22 pm, Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
>> About 2-3 weeks ago I ordered a couple of new CDs from two different
>> Amazon marketplace seller who ship from the UK. I received them in
>> about a week. (avatarmusic and Sent2u_by_HTS-Scotland) They were
>> cheap too!
>
> Interesting. I ordered a couple of things from Avatar (probably the
> same ones you did, Steve - those RCA reissues?)
Yes, Reiner/Wagner (ordered 1/22, avatarmusic), Brahms 4 & 2/Munch/BSO
(1/11 avatarmusic), Dinu Lipatti EMI (1/15, Sent2u_by_HTS-Scotland)
Steve
Bob Harper
Bob Harper (who, were he King, would make the abolition of the
'Department of Homeland Security'--has there ever been a lamer
name?--one of his first acts)
Bob Harper
> letters to be typed in news:NCL4p.388162$ZM.108998@en-nntp-
> 02.dc1.easynews.com:
>
>> I should add that I wrote to them about the issue yesterday I.e., the
>> day before the order DID arrive), and they apologized and put in motion
>> a replacement. I just hope my email informing them that it had, in fact,
>> arrived reached them before the duplicate order left the premises. I
>> think someone named Murphy was involved in the whole affair.
>
> Under the pseudonym of Janet Napolitano.
>
successor order.
Bob Harper
Sol L. Siegel
news:av%4p.592292$Ua4.1...@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com:
>>> "Since November 2010, the United States Department of Homeland
>>> Security has increased security measures for items carried on
>>> passenger airlines. As a result, mail entering the US from around
>>> the world, and including the UK, that would normally be sent via
>>> passenger aircraft must now travel by other means, including ships
>>> and cargo planes.
>>>
>>> "Most items, including personal letters and cards, will arrive in
>>> the US within a few days of posting. However, these ongoing security
>>> issues are continuing to cause delays to some items bound for the
>>> US. The delays mainly affect heavier items, but also affect other
>>> items including Destination Sort bags posted under contract by
>>> business customers. We�re really sorry for these unavoidable delays
>>> and are doing everything we can to keep mail moving out of and into
>>> the UK.
>>>
>>> "We have implemented a number of contingency plans to ensure as much
>>> of our customers� mail reaches the US as quickly as possible.
>>> We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause and are continuing
>>> to work to minimise disruption to our customers, whilst ensuring we
>>> comply fully with the US directives and regulations."
>>
>> Dang it! This time those mofos have GONE TOO FAR!!!
>>
> But Matthew, think about how much more secure you and the country
> are--NOT.
This all reminds me of the eBay package that went into the mail
from Manhattan, first-class, on Sept. 4, 2001, and logically
should have reached me by Sept. 10 at the latest. By the time
it arrived, in early October, I was actually surprised to see it.
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
Steve Emerson
Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
Thanks, Steve, that's valuable information; in both senses.
SE.
wanwan
The package shipped on 1/30 showed up in the mail today. Looks like
things are back to normal.
---------------------
Eric