Top Ten Non-Jewish Violinsts
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If you INSIST on non-Jewish ones for whatever reason you might have,
there's a lot of brilliant violinists in India. No, they don't play
music you can understand.
Matthew B. Tepper
Szigeti
Ricci
Chung
Accardo
Schneiderhan
Midori
Olveira
Bell
and, well, er....
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"Compassionate Conservatism?" * "Tight Slacks?" * "Jumbo Shrimp?"
Thomas Deas
"Samuel Vriezen" <s...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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Adam M. Dubin
wrote:
>Was Kreisler Jewish?
Yes.
Adam
BerkRecOut
>Ricci
>Chung
>Accardo
>Schneiderhan
>Midori
>Olveira
>Bell
Szigeti was a Jew of Hungarian descent as per 'Famous Musicians of a Wandering
Race' {Bloch Publishing, 1949}.
Bell's mother is Jewish.
John H
<o...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>(Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
>
>Szigeti
>Ricci
>Chung
>Accardo
>Schneiderhan
>Midori
>Olveira
>Bell
>
>and, well, er....
>
>--
>Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
>My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
>My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
>"Compassionate Conservatism?" * "Tight Slacks?" * "Jumbo Shrimp?"
Mutter
Laredo
That makes ten.
John Harkness
Roger Lopez
<o...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>(Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
>
>Szigeti
>Ricci
>Chung
>Accardo
>Schneiderhan
>Midori
>Olveira
>Bell
>
>and, well, er....
>
I'd add:
Neveu
Francescatti
Grumiaux
Bustabo
Prihoda
Enrico Gatti (am I alone in my admiration of him?)
Actually, I'd rate these over most of those listed above.
Roger Lopez (myshkin at rice dot edu)
samir ghiocel golescu
> Was Kreisler Jewish?
in the recent Kreisler biography it is almost a chapter devoted to this
issue
Kreisler's wife seemed to be not too happy about it, but Kreisler was at
least half-Jewish
Szigeti was Hungarian Jew as well
it is easy to compile a list of 10 or 20 not-Jewish great violinists, but
I don't see the point of it
this thread was started by the same troller that is obsessed with
Jewishness
regards,
SG
Kyle P. Williams
KPW
sjw
Steve
Thomas Deas wrote:
>
> Was Kreisler Jewish?
sjw
Steve
Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
> (Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
>
> Szigeti
> Ricci
> Chung
> Accardo
> Schneiderhan
> Midori
> Olveira
> Bell
>
> and, well, er....
>
sjw
>
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:19:36 -0800, "Matthew B. Tepper"
>
> >(Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
> >
> >Szigeti
> >Ricci
> >Chung
> >Accardo
> >Schneiderhan
> >Midori
> >Olveira
> >Bell
> >
> >and, well, er....
> >
> >--
> >Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
> >My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
> >My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
> >"Compassionate Conservatism?" * "Tight Slacks?" * "Jumbo Shrimp?"
>
> Laredo
>
> That makes ten.
>
> John Harkness
Since Szigeti was Jewish and so is Bell, that makes eight. Kennedy and
Chang make ten.
Steve
sjw
No, he was not.
Steve
>
>
Matthew B. Tepper
>
> >Szigeti
> >Ricci
> >Chung
> >Accardo
> >Schneiderhan
> >Midori
> >Olveira
> >Bell
>
> Wandering Race' {Bloch Publishing, 1949}.
> Bell's mother is Jewish.
That cuts my list down by two....
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Matthew B. Tepper
>
> Was Kreisler Jewish?
Yes, and apparently his wife was anti-Semitic. Go figure!
Matthew B. Tepper
>
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:19:36 -0800, "Matthew B. Tepper"
> <o...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >(Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
> >
> >Ricci
> >Chung
> >Accardo
> >Schneiderhan
> >Midori
> >Olveira
> >Bell
> >
> >
>
> I'd add:
> Neveu
> Francescatti
> Grumiaux
> Bustabo
> Prihoda
> Enrico Gatti (am I alone in my admiration of him?)
>
> Actually, I'd rate these over most of those listed above.
> Roger Lopez (myshkin at rice dot edu)
I haven't heard Gatti, and while I have all of Bustabo I would hesitate
to judge her on so little, so I will happily endorse most of your list.
I would also add Arve Tellefsen, except that I doubt most people have
heard of him. He's Norwegian.
Matthew B. Tepper
>
> "Matthew B. Tepper" wrote:
> >
> > (Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
> >
> > Szigeti
> > Ricci
> > Chung
> > Accardo
> > Schneiderhan
> > Midori
> > Olveira
> > Bell
> >
> > and, well, er....
> >
> Well, OK, he DID do a super Elgar concerto.
> And Biondi?
Well, Nige *was* a serious violinist once.
Raymond Hall
>
> (Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
>
> Szigeti
> Ricci
> Chung
> Accardo
> Schneiderhan
> Midori
> Olveira
> Bell
>
> and, well, er....
>
The Nige? <cough, cough>
Well, OK, he DID do a super Elgar concerto.
And Biondi?
Regards,
Ray Hall, Sydney
Dr.Matt
Oh, and by the way, Laurie Anderson does violin too, after a fashion.
It's sorta an AV prop.
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> Thomas Deas wrote:
> >
> > Was Kreisler Jewish?
>
> Yes, and apparently his wife was anti-Semitic. Go figure!
She expressed her anti-Semitism by marrying him? Hm.
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Sergejus Zabinskis
Sarasate
Spohr
Beriot
Vieuxtemps ?
Kreisler ?
Thibault
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Ralph Harris
sjw wrote:
> John H wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:19:36 -0800, "Matthew B. Tepper"
> > <o...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > >(Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
> > >
> > >Szigeti
> > >Ricci
> > >Chung
> > >Accardo
> > >Schneiderhan
> > >Midori
> > >Olveira
> > >Bell
> > >
> > >and, well, er....
> > >
> > >--
> > >Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
> > >My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
> > >My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
> > >"Compassionate Conservatism?" * "Tight Slacks?" * "Jumbo Shrimp?"
> >
> > Mutter
> > Laredo
> >
> > That makes ten.
> >
> > John Harkness
>
> Since Szigeti was Jewish and so is Bell, that makes eight. Kennedy and
> Chang make ten.
>
> Steve
.........................................
> There is also Albert Spalding, the sporting goods heir. Although he died
> in 1953 he did just make it into the lp era with a few recordings from
> his post at Boston University College of Music. These are on the old Halo
> label. He also appears on the old Remington label. His Brahms Violin
> Con. on Remington, recorded after the 2nd war with the VPO, is
> magnificant. He had wonderful tone.
Ralph Harris
in 1953 he did just make it into the lp era with a few recordings from
his post at Boston University College of Music. These are on the old Halo
label. He also appears on the old Remington label. His Brahms Violin
Con. on Remington, recorded after the 2nd war with the VPO, is
magnificant. He had wonderful tone.
sjw wrote:
John H
you have recorded evidence on any of those guys?
John Harkness
Philip Peters
John H wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:33:19 +0100, "Sergejus Zabinskis"
> <ser...@takas.lt> wrote:
>
> >Paganini
> >Sarasate
> >Spohr
> >Beriot
> >Vieuxtemps ?
> >Kreisler ?
> >Thibault
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> you have recorded evidence on any of those guys?
>
> John Harkness
You mean a tape which have them say: "I am not a Jew"? ;))
There are actually Sarasate recordings (reissued on CD along with
Joachim & Ysaye) going back as far as 1903. It's impossible to judge but
thrilling to have ;)) Kreisler & Thibaud are of course well recorded.
Philip
John H
Well, I was thinking more of Paganini, Spohr and Vieuxtemps.
John Harkness
Matthew B. Tepper
>
> Well, I was thinking more of Paganini, Spohr and Vieuxtemps.
How about a list of classical musicians over six feet tall?
Spohr
Klemperer
Furtwängler
Roger Nixon
Note: This list would *not* include Marta Ptaszynska.
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Ehrlich606
>>
>> Well, I was thinking more of Paganini, Spohr and Vieuxtemps.
>
>How about a list of classical musicians over six feet tall?
>
>Spohr
>Klemperer
>Furtwängler
>Roger Nixon
>
>Note: This list would *not* include Marta Ptaszynska.
Richard Strauss was 6' 4", I think.
John H
<o...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>John H wrote:
>>
>> Well, I was thinking more of Paganini, Spohr and Vieuxtemps.
>
>How about a list of classical musicians over six feet tall?
>
>Spohr
>Klemperer
>Furtwängler
>Roger Nixon
>
>Note: This list would *not* include Marta Ptaszynska.
>
>--
>Matthew B. Tepper:
Wasn't Dame Clara Butt over six foot?
Or do musicians count as singers? One can never be sure...
John Harkness
PGoldst515
Paul Goldstein
John H
>Rachmaninoff was 6'6" I believe.
>
>Paul Goldstein
Of course -- didn't Stravinsky describe him as a "six and a half foot
scowl"?
John Harkness
Bob Harper
from Boris Godunov.
He's at least 6'6, maybe 6'8". And he can still sing at age 79.
Bob Harper
"Matthew B. Tepper" wrote:
> John H wrote:
> >
> > Well, I was thinking more of Paganini, Spohr and Vieuxtemps.
>
> How about a list of classical musicians over six feet tall?
>
> Spohr
> Klemperer
> Furtwängler
> Roger Nixon
>
> Note: This list would *not* include Marta Ptaszynska.
>
> --
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I am 187 cm (fresh-measured)
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Thomas Deas wrote in message <8abquh$9g2$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>...
>Was Kreisler Jewish?
Yes, he was.
E. Mott
Esther A Mott
<
>Thomas Deas wrote:
>>
>> Was Kreisler Jewish?
>
>Yes, and apparently his wife was anti-Semitic. Go figure!
So was Alma Mahler, and she married two Jews. Yes, Kreisler was Jewish.
Matthew B. Tepper
> >
> ;-)
No, I'm only 5'11".
Gary Goldberg
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Isaac Stern was once asked about the reason for the preponderance of Jews
among leading violinists as opposed to, say, pianists. Drawing on the Jews'
experience he said, "It's hard to flee from village to village ahead of
rampaging mobs with a piano on your back."
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John H
Menuhin said much the same thing. Probably explains the preponderance
of great Jewish chess players as well -- a game you can put in your
pocket.
John Harkness
Karen Mercedes
> John H wrote:
> >
> > Well, I was thinking more of Paganini, Spohr and Vieuxtemps.
>
> How about a list of classical musicians over six feet tall?
>
> Spohr
> Klemperer
> Furtwängler
> Roger Nixon
Add:
Ruggero Raimondi - I heard he is 6'7" - can anyone confirm?
Bryn Terfel - Must be at least 6'2"...possibly closer to 6'4".
Dame Clara Butt - well, she was exactly 6' tall, but that was pretty
impressive for a woman of the Edwardian.
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Abram Plum
Karen Mercedes wrote:
>
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
> > John H wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I was thinking more of Paganini, Spohr and Vieuxtemps.
> >
> > How about a list of classical musicians over six feet tall?
> >
> > Spohr
> > Klemperer
> > Furtwängler
> > Roger Nixon
>
> Add:
> Ruggero Raimondi - I heard he is 6'7" - can anyone confirm?
>
> Bryn Terfel - Must be at least 6'2"...possibly closer to 6'4".
>
> Dame Clara Butt - well, she was exactly 6' tall, but that was pretty
> impressive for a woman of the Edwardian.
>
Though I can't give a number, I believe that John Tavener is well over
six feet.
Abram Plum
Edgar A Pearlstein
John H (jg...@netcom.ca) wrote:
: On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:06:13 -0500, XGa...@ix.netcom.com (Gary
: Goldberg) wrote:
:
: >In article <2000031004...@mail1.bigmailbox.com>, "vomit is illegal"
: ><poop.on....@ucky.com> wrote:
: >
: > Isaac Stern was once asked about the reason for the preponderance of Jews
: >among leading violinists as opposed to, say, pianists. Drawing on the Jews'
: >experience he said, "It's hard to flee from village to village ahead of
: >rampaging mobs with a piano on your back."
And Itzhak Perlman said "When we're eight days old, they cut a little
circle around our fingers."
Brian Cantin
> Though I can't give a number, I believe that John Tavener is well over
> six feet.
Yes, but it's not fair to compare Tavener to other musicians.
His feet never touch the ground.
Tito Ceccherini
Roger Lopez <mys...@nospam.rice.edu> ha scritto nel messaggio
38c97d01...@news.fas.harvard.edu...
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:19:36 -0800, "Matthew B. Tepper"
> <o...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >(Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
> >
> >Szigeti
> >Ricci
> >Chung
> >Accardo
> >Schneiderhan
> >Midori
> >Olveira
> >Bell
> >
> >and, well, er....
> >
>
> Neveu
> Francescatti
> Grumiaux
> Bustabo
> Prihoda
> Enrico Gatti (am I alone in my admiration of him?)
You're not! :-)
Bye
Tito
sjw
What is your source for this?
Steve
Matthew Silverstein
John H
<matthew.s...@corpus-christi.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
>Was Oistrakh Jewish?
>
>
Yes. At least, some people have claimed that he didn't win that famous
violin competition that Neveu won because of anti-Semitism.
John Harkness
Josh Klein
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:19:36 -0800, "Matthew B. Tepper"
> <o...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>(Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
...
>>Bell
>>
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>>"Compassionate Conservatism?" * "Tight Slacks?" * "Jumbo Shrimp?"
> Mutter
> Laredo
Laredo is definitely Jewish (by ancestry, at least). I had always
just assumed that Bell was, as well -- but you may know better.
> John Harkness
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Josh Klein
> Was Oistrakh Jewish?
I think that David had two Jewish parents, and Igor had one (namely, David).
Josh Klein
> Was Kreisler Jewish?
It's, as I understand, a somewhat disputed issue -- especially since
his wife was notedly antisemitic. But the recent bio of Kreisler
(Liebesfreud Liebeslied, or something like that) said that he had
some Jewish ancestry.
(For what it's worth, my old Jewish Hungarian violin teacher from
Bratislava took particular pride in the fact that, as far as he
was concerned, the most important violinists of the last 150
years were almost uniformly in the Jewish Hungarian tradition,
since so many of them traced their pedagogical family trees to
Joachim.
dtritter
you mean old hungarian jews [as in my family] like ole bull?
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Abram Plum wrote:
> Karen Mercedes wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> >
> > > John H wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, I was thinking more of Paganini, Spohr and Vieuxtemps.
> > >
> > > How about a list of classical musicians over six feet tall?
> > >
> > > Spohr
> > > Klemperer
> > > Furtwängler
> > > Roger Nixon
> >
> > Add:
> > Ruggero Raimondi - I heard he is 6'7" - can anyone confirm?
> >
> > Bryn Terfel - Must be at least 6'2"...possibly closer to 6'4".
> >
> > Dame Clara Butt - well, she was exactly 6' tall, but that was pretty
> > impressive for a woman of the Edwardian.
> >
> Though I can't give a number, I believe that John Tavener is well over
> six feet.
>
> Abram Plum
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Matthew B. Tepper
>
> In rec.music.classical John H <jg...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:19:36 -0800, "Matthew B. Tepper"
> > <o...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>(Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
> ...
> >>Bell
>
> > Laredo
>
> Laredo is definitely Jewish (by ancestry, at least). I had always
> just assumed that Bell was, as well -- but you may know better.
I didn't know -- just guessing. Guessed wrong, as it happened.
Bob Lombard
>> Isaac Stern was once asked about the reason for the preponderance of Jews
>>among leading violinists as opposed to, say, pianists. Drawing on the
Jews'
>>experience he said, "It's hard to flee from village to village ahead of
>>rampaging mobs with a piano on your back."
>>
>Menuhin said much the same thing. Probably explains the preponderance
>of great Jewish chess players as well -- a game you can put in your
>pocket.
>
>John Harkness
This has been a thought provoking thread. Do you suppose the instrument
itself has "dark" powers? My impression of great European fiddlers (as
differentiated from violinists) is that most of them were Gypsies. I can
only speculate that, if Hitler had prevailed, he would have banned the
violin. "you will use the viola. If necessary it can be made smaller, and
otherwise modified to permit playing violin parts, but it will still be a
*viola*."
bl
Subir Baksi
Esther A Mott
that Kreisler had one Jewish parent (without specifying which) and again
refers to him as a "Jewish musician." I'm sure Encyclopaedia Judiaca would
have a reference as well. As far as his wife being antisemitic, Richard
Strauss's son was a Nazi party member, yet his wife and children were Jewish
(and considered so and harrassed for it by the Nazis.) Alma Schindler Mahler
was an antisemite, yet she married two Jews. She referred to Franz Werfel,
her third husband, as "my greasy little Jew."
E. Mott
Dr.Matt
Hitler DID round up and kil Roma indescriminately.
Violin mythology goes back a few hundred years--to the dawn of the
violin, in fact--prior to which you get statements about gambists like
"the French play the viol like angels, and the Italians play it like devils"...
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Though apparently there was one particular group of Gypsies who were
left alone. I'm not entirely sure why.
And then, what of Vasa Prihoda?
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Noam D. Elkies
>he would have banned the violin. "you will use the viola.
>If necessary it can be made smaller, and otherwise modified
>to permit playing violin parts, but it will still be a *viola*."
On what grounds is such speculation supported? Of course if
Hitler (Yimakh Shmo veZikhro) *had* prevailed, his policy in
this matter would be among the least of people's concerns,
had he even bothered to make such a diktat.
But since you brought it up -- in fact as well as etymology,
a violin is nothing but a viola "made smaller, and otherwise
modified to permit playing violin parts"; the Italian "violino"
is just a diminutive form of "viola".
--Noam D. Elkies <remove German violin from e-address to reply>
Department of Mathematics, Harvard University
AVIKG
<su...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>
Francescatti,-no
Ida haendel,- yes
Ossy Renardy, ??
Arthur Grumiaux-no
Dr.Matt
Noam D. Elkies <elk...@math.hageigervard.edu> wrote:
>Hitler (Yimakh Shmo veZikhro)
Godwin.
Anyhow, the Hebrew says "may his name be blotted out", and is usually
recited just after naming a name.
My grandmother Anna used to say "Thank God none of us are superstitious,
pu pu pu kaynahora!" (Invoking the ancestor-image, spitting three times, and
denouncing the eye of evil--to this day I don't know whether she was
being deliberately funny or not).
Follow-ups set.
Subir Baksi
question marks, or "I'm not sure if Ossy Renardy is jewish" question marks?
:)
Bob Lombard
>>[...] I can only speculate that, if Hitler had prevailed,
>>he would have banned the violin. "you will use the viola.
>>If necessary it can be made smaller, and otherwise modified
>>to permit playing violin parts, but it will still be a *viola*."
>
>On what grounds is such speculation supported?
You're kidding there, right?
>But since you brought it up -- in fact as well as etymology,
>a violin is nothing but a viola "made smaller, and otherwise
>modified to permit playing violin parts"; the Italian "violino"
>is just a diminutive form of "viola".
>
>--Noam D. Elkies <remove German violin from e-address to reply>
> Department of Mathematics, Harvard University
Harvard men often have difficulty with the subtlety of my rhetoric. :-}
bl
sjw
that reference. It's interesting that Lyman's "Great Jews in Music"
(Jonathan David Pub.) doesn't mention Kreisler. I know the Third Reich
considered him Jewish, but do you know if he considered himself Jewish?
Steve Wolk
sjw
>
> >Yes, I checked my copy right after I asked you your source and found
> >that reference. It's interesting that Lyman's "Great Jews in Music"
> >(Jonathan David Pub.) doesn't mention Kreisler. I know the Third Reich
> >considered him Jewish, but do you know if he considered himself Jewish?
> >
> >Steve Wolk
>
No, but I was curious.
Neither Mahler nor Mendelssohn considered themselves
> to be Jews, but their works were burned just the same.
Exactly, which was the reason Kreisler emigrated from Germany.
Steve
Like them,
> Schoenberg converted to Christianity (and converted back again), as did
> Reiner, Klemperer and many others, but they were still considered to be Jews
> by the Reich, and by the society in which they lived.
>
> E. Mott
Esther A Mott
>Yes, I checked my copy right after I asked you your source and found
>that reference. It's interesting that Lyman's "Great Jews in Music"
>(Jonathan David Pub.) doesn't mention Kreisler. I know the Third Reich
>considered him Jewish, but do you know if he considered himself Jewish?
>
>Steve Wolk
Does it really matter? Neither Mahler nor Mendelssohn considered themselves
to be Jews, but their works were burned just the same. Like them,
Sure to Doubt
"Esther A Mott" <e.m...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:NACz4.2778$mf.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >Yes, I checked my copy right after I asked you your source and found
> >that reference. It's interesting that Lyman's "Great Jews in Music"
> >(Jonathan David Pub.) doesn't mention Kreisler. I know the Third Reich
> >considered him Jewish, but do you know if he considered himself Jewish?
> >
> >Steve Wolk
>
> Does it really matter? Neither Mahler nor Mendelssohn considered
themselves
> to be Jews,
Mahler, at least, was aware that he was (known as) one.
Esther A Mott
>themselves
>> to be Jews,
>Mahler, at least, was aware that he was (known as) one.
Considering who his grandfather was, the pre-eminent Jewish scholar and
philosopher Moses Mendelssohn, Felix must have been well aware that he was
born Jewish as well (his conversion was similar to that of Karl Marx's:
their fathers were upset over something with their synagogue and converted
themselves and their children in response).
E. Mott
Jeffrey Smith
As did Isaac D'Israeli and his son Benjamin. Had he not done so he
would have deprived Britain of one of its greatest Prime Ministers.
Jeffrey Smith.
Noam D. Elkies
Bob Lombard <blombard*@vermontel.net> wrote:
>>>[...] I can only speculate that, if Hitler had prevailed,
>>>he would have banned the violin. "you will use the viola.
>>>If necessary it can be made smaller, and otherwise modified
>>>to permit playing violin parts, but it will still be a *viola*."
>>On what grounds is such speculation supported?
>You're kidding there, right? [...]
>Harvard men often have difficulty with the subtlety of my rhetoric. :-}
I was trying to be charitable and not make the assumption that you
were simply attempting a viola joke in very poor taste. It would seem
that my charity was misplaced...
--Noam D. Elkies <remove viola clef from e-address to reply>
Bob Lombard
>were simply attempting a viola joke in very poor taste. It would seem
>that my charity was misplaced...
>
>--Noam D. Elkies
Viola joke? You've lost me there. I don't know about your charity, but your
sense of humor...
Let's see if I can expain this. Explaining a joke destroys it, but what the
heck.
Hitler hated Jews. The sense of this thread is that the violin is associated
with Jews. Therefor, Hitler would ban the violin because he would consider
it a Jewish instrument. There is a large body of work out there which
involves the violin. Hitler would proclaim that this music must be performed
on the viola. Since the viola cannot play all of the notes written for the
violin, Hitler would permit violas to be modified (as you describe in fact)
to play the violin parts - but they must not be called violins, but modified
violas.
See what I mean? the joke wasn't that great anyway, but now it is a total
disaster. Thanks a lot, mister.
bl
Noam D. Elkies
Bob Lombard <blombard*@vermontel.net> wrote:
>[I wrote:]
>>I was trying to be charitable and not make the assumption that you
>>were simply attempting a viola joke in very poor taste. It would seem
>>that my charity was misplaced...
>>--Noam D. Elkies
>Viola joke? You've lost me there. I don't know about your charity, but your
>sense of humor...
>[The violin is a "Jewish" instrument, so that a plan that in effect
> renames the instrument a "viola" would be an anti-Jewish measure]
>See what I mean? the joke wasn't that great anyway, but now it is a total
>disaster. Thanks a lot, mister.
Sorry. Okay, I see what you were getting at. Trouble was, there is
a long tradition of music humor at the expense of violas and violists,
and whenever something seems to be intended as humorous and involves
the instrument, it is natural to assume that a viola joke is intended
unless there is clear indication to the contrary (as in "Why are viola
jokes so short? So violinists can get them."). In this case it seemed
to me like a weak attempt at a viola joke made much worse by dragging
H*tler into it.
In penance I shall now flagellate myself with a wet kewpie noodle.
--Noam D. Elkies <remove viola strings from e-address to reply>
John H
Pearlstein) wrote:
>
>John H (jg...@netcom.ca) wrote:
>: On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:06:13 -0500, XGa...@ix.netcom.com (Gary
>: Goldberg) wrote:
>:
>: >In article <2000031004...@mail1.bigmailbox.com>, "vomit is illegal"
>: ><poop.on....@ucky.com> wrote:
>: >
>: > Isaac Stern was once asked about the reason for the preponderance of Jews
>: >among leading violinists as opposed to, say, pianists. Drawing on the Jews'
>: >experience he said, "It's hard to flee from village to village ahead of
>: >rampaging mobs with a piano on your back."
>
> And Itzhak Perlman said "When we're eight days old, they cut a little
>circle around our fingers."
>
Netiquette note -- if you're going to cut my portion of post to which
you're responding, you might consider cutting the attribution as well.
I didn't write any of that.
John Harkness
victoria...@gmail.com
> (Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
>
> Ricci
> Chung
> Accardo
> Schneiderhan
> Midori
> Olveira
> Bell
>
> and, well, er....
> --
> Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
> My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
> My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
graham
dk
> On Friday, March 10, 2000 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> > (Of those who have recorded from the LP era on, anyway)
> >
> > Szigeti
> > Ricci
> > Chung
> > Accardo
> > Schneiderhan
> > Midori
> > Olveira
> > Bell
> >
> > and, well, er....
>
Szigeti too.
dk
O
doing the Lazarus act on really old posts?
-Owen
nmsz...@gmail.com
Frank Berger
database, there seems to be not much collaboration with Jewish
musicians. That could be an artifact of circumstance, of course.
nmsz...@gmail.com
And of course, "still so effing what"?!
meyers...@gmail.com
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Seems as stupid a topic as it was 18 years ago
Oscar
Also, we haven’t heard much from Valentina Lisitsa lately, since she was _blacklisted_ by the cognoscenti and Illuminati and intelligentsia.
Bozo
> Also, we haven’t heard much from Valentina Lisitsa lately, since she was >_blacklisted_ by the cognoscenti and Illuminati and intelligentsia.
Here ( posted Feb.,2018 ) playing Stephen Limbaugh’s “Millenial Suite” ( the composer is Rush Limbaugh’s cousin ) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QSx9J6_3Bk
From the YT post :
“ Composed over the course of 12 years, the Millennial Suite blends the nostalgia-inducing harmonic and melodic proclivities of “pop” musicians in the early part of the 21st century with the the grand style of classical piano masterpieces to create a unique work for the concert stage. Written primarily for an audience which came of age in the “pop” era, the Millennial Suite encapsulates their tortured moral realignment against the destructive elitism of post-modernism expressed through the yearning for a return to innocence and the glorification of personal suffering. These expressions are idiomatic of this generation commonly known as “Millennials” ….
Bozo
> Here ( posted Feb.,2018 ) playing Stephen Limbaugh’s “Millenial Suite”
“ Franz Schubert's Impromptu in G-flat... played in E-flat. I personally believe the melody sounds better a minor third down, so I used a special software to pitch it in that direction in post-production. (I wasn't about to spend the time transposing the damn thing. God bless technology.) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUpY1HFktfo
Rachmaninoff,Op.16,# 4, " tuned at 432A " :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VdWcNWQQlI
Andy Evans
> So effing what is right! It’s 2018 now, and what enquiring minds want to know is: Who are the Top 10 Violinists Who Want Jerusalem To Be the Capital City of Israel?
>
> Also, we haven’t heard much from Valentina Lisitsa lately, since she was _blacklisted_ by the cognoscenti and Illuminati and intelligentsia.
Frank Berger
researched his status lately? Are you defining his Jewishness according
to Orthodox practice? Conservative? Reform? Reconstructionist?
Simple self-identification?
Raymond Hall
The word 'imagine' combined with the truth, sadly left this world with the Beatles and the advent of Fox News.
Ray Hall, Taree