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Furtwangler La Scala Ring - Best CD set?
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Randy Lane
Jul 13, 2012, 2:00:20 AM7/13/12
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Which CD set of the 1950 La Scala Ring conducted by Furtwangler do
readers think is the best overall - preferably decent digital
improvement/cleaning without loss of fidelity/range?
Music and Arts?
Opera d'oro (is the 1998 set identical to the 2008 set?)?
Gebhardt?
Other?
I still have the Fonti Cetra LPs. perhaps they are best. Has Fonti
Cetra done a CD set?
readers think is the best overall - preferably decent digital
improvement/cleaning without loss of fidelity/range?
Music and Arts?
Opera d'oro (is the 1998 set identical to the 2008 set?)?
Gebhardt?
Other?
I still have the Fonti Cetra LPs. perhaps they are best. Has Fonti
Cetra done a CD set?
meistersin...@yahoo.com
Jul 13, 2012, 3:35:13 AM7/13/12
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I asked this very same question here not that long ago. I specifically wanted to know about the Fonit Cetra and Arkadia CD sets. In answer to your question, yes, Fonit Cetra did issue the Ring on CD, twice in fact. The first FC CD edition, issued in the relatively early years of CD looked exactly like their LP box set. The second, issued in 1997 when they had become Nuova Fonit Cetra had a different design. I was interested to find out whether the recording had been remastered a second time, but I don't know that as yet. The third CD set which interests me is the Arkadia set, because it partly uses tapes from different evenings of the cycle than those issued by Fonit Cetra. The other sets that you mention are not as interesting, coming after the Italian releases and not having access to original material. Also, they are all easily obtained, whereas the Arkadia and FC sets are rather scarce.
cphillip...@yahoo.com
Jul 13, 2012, 8:00:05 AM7/13/12
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On Friday, July 13, 2012 2:00:20 AM UTC-4, Randy Lane wrote:
> Which CD set of the 1950 La Scala Ring conducted by Furtwangler do
> readers think is the best overall - preferably decent digital
> improvement/cleaning without loss of fidelity/range?
>
> Music and Arts?
> Opera d'oro (is the 1998 set identical to the 2008 set?)?
> Which CD set of the 1950 La Scala Ring conducted by Furtwangler do
> readers think is the best overall - preferably decent digital
> improvement/cleaning without loss of fidelity/range?
>
> Music and Arts?
> Gebhardt?
> Other?
>
> I still have the Fonti Cetra LPs. perhaps they are best. Has Fonti
> Cetra done a CD set?
The best remastering of the 1950 La Scala Ring is by the French Furtwangler Society - done by the same folks who do work for Tahra just this year. They can be found at www.furtwangler.org. They also carry numerous other great Furtwangler issues from societies all over the world. Well worth joining for 15 euros per year.
> Other?
>
> I still have the Fonti Cetra LPs. perhaps they are best. Has Fonti
> Cetra done a CD set?
wagnerfan
Jul 13, 2012, 8:10:20 AM7/13/12
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 05:00:05 -0700 (PDT), cphillip...@yahoo.com
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Surprisingly I like the Archipel mastering from 2009. This Ring has
had a pretty good history sound wise - the only really bad version I
ever heard was on the Virtuoso label which stripped all the bass from
the sound - disastrous for a Furtwangler performance. Note the Opera
D'oro is a copy of the Music and Arts
Wagner Fan
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had a pretty good history sound wise - the only really bad version I
ever heard was on the Virtuoso label which stripped all the bass from
the sound - disastrous for a Furtwangler performance. Note the Opera
D'oro is a copy of the Music and Arts
Wagner Fan
Oscar
Jul 13, 2012, 8:03:01 AM7/13/12
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On Jul 13, 5:00 am, cphillipwheele...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> They can be found at www.furtwangler.org.
Thank you. Here is a working hyperlink: http://www.furtwangler.org
>
> They can be found at www.furtwangler.org.
Gerard
Jul 13, 2012, 8:40:59 AM7/13/12
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> On Jul 13, 5:00 am, cphillipwheele...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > They can be found at www.furtwangler.org.
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> Thank you. Here is a working hyperlink: http://www.furtwangler.org
They work both the same way.
> >
> > They can be found at www.furtwangler.org.
>
> Thank you. Here is a working hyperlink: http://www.furtwangler.org
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Jul 13, 2012, 10:27:52 AM7/13/12
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How is their remastering of the Beethoven 2nd?
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Classica94
Jul 13, 2012, 11:52:17 AM7/13/12
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Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 16:27:52 UTC+2, Matthew B. Tepper a écrit :
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> > On Friday, July 13, 2012 2:00:20 AM UTC-4, Randy Lane wrote:
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> >> Which CD set of the 1950 La Scala Ring conducted by Furtwangler do
> >> readers think is the best overall - preferably decent digital
> >> improvement/cleaning without loss of fidelity/range?
> >>
> >> Music and Arts?
> >> Opera d&#39;oro (is the 1998 set identical to the 2008 set?)?
> >> Gebhardt?
> >> Other?
> >>
> >> I still have the Fonti Cetra LPs. perhaps they are best. Has Fonti
> >> Cetra done a CD set?
> >
> > The best remastering of the 1950 La Scala Ring is by the French
> > Furtwangler Society - done by the same folks who do work for Tahra just
> > this year. They can be found at www.furtwangler.org. They also carry
> > numerous other great Furtwangler issues from societies all over the
> > world. Well worth joining for 15 euros per year.
>
> How is their remastering of the Beethoven 2nd?
>
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Beethoven 2nd (october 1948, the only existing recording) on CD SWF 091 is surprisingly good taking into account the poor quality of the source. It includes also the 8th (november 1948)
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Matthew B. Tepper
Jul 13, 2012, 12:08:54 PM7/13/12
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>> How is their remastering of the Beethoven 2nd?
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>> How is their remastering of the Beethoven 2nd?
>
> Beethoven 2nd (october 1948, the only existing recording) on CD SWF 091
> is surprisingly good taking into account the poor quality of the source.
> It includes also the 8th (november 1948)
Well, yes, but I'm wondering how it compares with the EMI release.
> is surprisingly good taking into account the poor quality of the source.
> It includes also the 8th (november 1948)
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maready
Jul 13, 2012, 3:34:57 PM7/13/12
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to have released it with new cover art in 2011 and jacked up the
price, but the older one is still available from Amazon resellers at a
reasonable price. The RAI recording quality was so good to begin with
--- well-balanced, noise-free --- that it's hard to imagine what could
be gained by additional digital enhancement. FWIW, EMI's original CD
transfer sounds identical to my copy of the EMI LP box, but it's nice
not to have to get up and turn the record over every 25 minutes.
wagnerfan
Jul 13, 2012, 3:36:17 PM7/13/12
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:34:57 -0700 (PDT), maready <dab...@hotmail.com>
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The EMI is the 53 RAI Ring - not the 1950 Scala Ring in question.
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maready
Jul 13, 2012, 3:42:24 PM7/13/12
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looking Gebhardt:
http://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-4234/
which sounds as good as one could expect and has the additional
advantage of taking up very little shelf space. When I want to hear
Furtwangler's Ring, I invariably go for the RAI, despite the somewhat
sterile ambiance. The La Scala has its thrilling moments, but the
tenors and the recorded 'sound' are frustrating.
Matthew B. Tepper
Jul 13, 2012, 3:48:48 PM7/13/12
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> FWIW, EMI's original CD transfer sounds identical to my copy of the EMI LP
> box, but it's nice not to have to get up and turn the record over every 25
> minutes.
You've already spotted your own confusion of the RAI and Scala recordings, so
I won't belabor it, except to mention that with the Murray Hill LPs of the
Scala, you sometimes didn't have to turn the record over for *40* minutes!
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> FWIW, EMI's original CD transfer sounds identical to my copy of the EMI LP
> box, but it's nice not to have to get up and turn the record over every 25
> minutes.
I won't belabor it, except to mention that with the Murray Hill LPs of the
Scala, you sometimes didn't have to turn the record over for *40* minutes!
wkasimer
Jul 13, 2012, 4:13:56 PM7/13/12
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On Jul 13, 3:42 pm, maready <dab...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The La Scala has its thrilling moments, but the
> tenors and the recorded 'sound' are frustrating.
So are the cuts.
> The La Scala has its thrilling moments, but the
> tenors and the recorded 'sound' are frustrating.
Bill
wagnerfan
Jul 13, 2012, 5:55:18 PM7/13/12
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:48:48 -0500, "Matthew B. Tepper"
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>> FWIW, EMI's original CD transfer sounds identical to my copy of the EMI LP
>> box, but it's nice not to have to get up and turn the record over every 25
>> minutes.
>
>You've already spotted your own confusion of the RAI and Scala recordings, so
>I won't belabor it, except to mention that with the Murray Hill LPs of the
>Scala, you sometimes didn't have to turn the record over for *40* minutes!
Yes the Murray Hill - they also ran about a semitone sharp Wagner
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>> FWIW, EMI's original CD transfer sounds identical to my copy of the EMI LP
>> box, but it's nice not to have to get up and turn the record over every 25
>> minutes.
>
>You've already spotted your own confusion of the RAI and Scala recordings, so
>I won't belabor it, except to mention that with the Murray Hill LPs of the
>Scala, you sometimes didn't have to turn the record over for *40* minutes!
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Matthew B. Tepper
Jul 14, 2012, 11:56:16 AM7/14/12
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The scene of Gutrune waiting for Siegfried to return from the hunt (which he
does, but on his shield), and what else?
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does, but on his shield), and what else?
wagnerfan
Jul 14, 2012, 3:58:30 PM7/14/12
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>> On Jul 13, 3:42 pm, maready <dab...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The La Scala has its thrilling moments, but the
>>> tenors and the recorded 'sound' are frustrating.
>>
>> So are the cuts.
>>
>> Bill
>
>The scene of Gutrune waiting for Siegfried to return from the hunt (which he
>does, but on his shield), and what else?
No thats there - the only time I have read that was cut was the 1965
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>> On Jul 13, 3:42 pm, maready <dab...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The La Scala has its thrilling moments, but the
>>> tenors and the recorded 'sound' are frustrating.
>>
>> So are the cuts.
>>
>> Bill
>
>The scene of Gutrune waiting for Siegfried to return from the hunt (which he
>does, but on his shield), and what else?
Bayreuth Ring (one of Wieland's less good ideas) but it was quickly
reinstated.
The two cuts in the 50 Ring are in the middle of Wotan's Narration in
Act Two Walkure and during the Siegfried-Wotan confrontation inAct
Three Siegfried.
Wagner fan
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