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m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Jul 14, 2014, 3:19:45 PM7/14/14
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Anybody know more about the 1980s box that is announced on this website? The text states that the box set will be released to commerate the 25th year anniversary of his passing, but the DGG catalogue doesn't have it included in their future releases yet...
http://www.musikmarkt.de/Aktuell/News/Deutsche-Grammophon-Highlights-2014-von-Karajan-Kaufmann-Netrebko-Raabe
http://www.musikmarkt.de/Aktuell/News/Deutsche-Grammophon-Highlights-2014-von-Karajan-Kaufmann-Netrebko-Raabe
Dana John Hill
Jul 14, 2014, 3:37:03 PM7/14/14
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have no information yet about how many discs will be included. I am
assuming that Karajan's 1980s albums are fewer in number than those from
the 1960s and '70s. DG has not yet released an image of the packaging,
but I am guessing that it will look similar to the two earlier boxes,
but with a different color.
Dana John Hill
Gainesville, Florida
m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Jul 14, 2014, 4:04:29 PM7/14/14
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Thank you so much for this useful information! Let's wait and see whether the set will be released in October and whether it includes the DGG opera recordings from the 60s and 70s as well...
Richard Sandmeyer
Jul 14, 2014, 6:06:47 PM7/14/14
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In article <lq1bgr$6sj$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
My guess would be 76 CDs in the 1980s box. My reasoning is that the
complete Karajan DG orchestral recordings box released in Korea
contained 240 CDs. If we subtract the 82 CDs in the 1960s box and the
82 CDs in the 1970s box, that leaves 240 - (82 + 82) = 76 for the 1980s
box. Now that could be off by a CD or two if the exact same layout of
recordings on CDs is not used, but I understand that all boxes have used
the same "original jackets" layout so far. (That is, the volumes in the
complete box match those for the corresponding decades in the 1960s and
1970s boxes. Perhaps someone who owns all three -- complete, 1960s, and
1970s -- can confirm or refute this.)
As for the opera recordings, someone in this group posted shortly after
the 1970s box was released that there would eventually be a separate
opera box to be released after the 1980s orchestral box. Whether that
would include only Karajan's DG opera recordings or whether his Decca
ones would also be included (now that DG and Decca are both owned by
UMG) was not mentioned. Nor can I vouch for the accuracy of his source.
complete Karajan DG orchestral recordings box released in Korea
contained 240 CDs. If we subtract the 82 CDs in the 1960s box and the
82 CDs in the 1970s box, that leaves 240 - (82 + 82) = 76 for the 1980s
box. Now that could be off by a CD or two if the exact same layout of
recordings on CDs is not used, but I understand that all boxes have used
the same "original jackets" layout so far. (That is, the volumes in the
complete box match those for the corresponding decades in the 1960s and
1970s boxes. Perhaps someone who owns all three -- complete, 1960s, and
1970s -- can confirm or refute this.)
As for the opera recordings, someone in this group posted shortly after
the 1970s box was released that there would eventually be a separate
opera box to be released after the 1980s orchestral box. Whether that
would include only Karajan's DG opera recordings or whether his Decca
ones would also be included (now that DG and Decca are both owned by
UMG) was not mentioned. Nor can I vouch for the accuracy of his source.
Dana John Hill
Jul 14, 2014, 7:05:25 PM7/14/14
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in the 1970s set that some original LPs were joined together, perhaps in
an effort to make the set fit on eighty-two discs.
Randy Lane
Jul 14, 2014, 7:43:57 PM7/14/14
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Steve de Mena
Jul 15, 2014, 3:24:11 PM7/15/14
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On 7/14/14, 1:04 PM, m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Thank you so much for this useful information! Let's wait and see whether the set will be released in October and whether it includes the DGG opera recordings from the 60s and 70s as well...
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It won't.
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> Thank you so much for this useful information! Let's wait and see whether the set will be released in October and whether it includes the DGG opera recordings from the 60s and 70s as well...
>
Steve
mh84
Jul 15, 2014, 5:56:17 PM7/15/14
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Op dinsdag 15 juli 2014 21:24:11 UTC+2 schreef Steven de Mena:
On what basis are you so sure about that? Otherwise the 80s box will have a much smaller number of discs and it likely won't be in the same format as the 60s and 70s boxes...
Willem Orange
Jul 15, 2014, 8:10:58 PM7/15/14
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M forever
Jul 15, 2014, 8:43:13 PM7/15/14
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Willem Orange
Jul 15, 2014, 10:38:25 PM7/15/14
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M forever
Jul 15, 2014, 11:17:45 PM7/15/14
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On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:38:25 PM UTC-4, Willem Orange wrote:
> > > I did a quick summing up of the complete operas Karajan recorded for DG (not Decca) and it comes up to about 33 CDs - I'm sure I missed set or two.
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> Interesting - are the Decca's included???? are there two Toscas (Price and Ricciarlli)
No, no Decca stuff. It's all DG, and AFAIK, it's really all of his DG recordings. It's also packaged in chronological order. There is that Falstaff which first came out on Philips but AFAIK that was produced for and by DG but then released on Philips because DG had already committed to a Flastaff with Giulini. Which I never understood because it's not like DG ever had a problem with duplicating repertoire with multiple artists, often at the same time.
> > > I did a quick summing up of the complete operas Karajan recorded for DG (not Decca) and it comes up to about 33 CDs - I'm sure I missed set or two.
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> > In the complete DG set from Japan, the complete opera recordings occupy about 44 CDs (maybe +/- 1 or 2, I counted through them pretty quickly).
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> Interesting - are the Decca's included???? are there two Toscas (Price and Ricciarlli)
Willem Orange
Jul 15, 2014, 11:25:50 PM7/15/14
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m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Jul 15, 2014, 11:26:25 PM7/15/14
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Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 05:17:45 UTC+2 schreef M forever:
DGG
1965 Leoncavallo I Pagliacci
1965 Mascagni Cavalleria Rusticana
1966 Wagner Die Walkure
1967 Wagner Das Rheingold
1968 Wagner Siegfried
1969 Wagner Gotterdammerung
1979 Puccini Tosca
1979/80 Wagner Parsifal
1980 Mozart Die Zauberflote
1981 Puccini Turandot
1982 Bizet Carmen
1982 R. Strauss Der Rosenkavalier
1985 Mozart Don Giovanni
1989 Verdi Un Ballo In Maschera
DGG have also released some live Karajan CDs. The following were never recorded by him in the studio:
1960 Pizzetti Assassino Nelle Cattedrale
1963 Wagner Tannhauser
1963 Monteverdi L'Incoronazione Di Poppea
1964 R. Strauss Die Frau ohne Schatten
Philips
1980 Verdi Falstaff
Falstaff was released on the Philips label because DGG had just released the Giulini recording. The Karajan recording was probably recorded by his usual DGG team, although there is nothing in the LP documentation to confirm this.
Decca
1959 Verdi Aida
1961 Verdi Otello
1963 Bizet Carmen
1962 Puccini Tosca
1970 Mussorgsky Boris Godunov
1972/73 Puccini La Boheme
1974 Puccini Madama Butterfly
1978 Mozart Le Nozze Di Figaro
Karajan's Decca recordings were all recorded before Decca was absorbed by Polygram.
Source: http://www.hvk1955.proboards.com/thread/384/
1965 Leoncavallo I Pagliacci
1965 Mascagni Cavalleria Rusticana
1966 Wagner Die Walkure
1967 Wagner Das Rheingold
1968 Wagner Siegfried
1969 Wagner Gotterdammerung
1979 Puccini Tosca
1979/80 Wagner Parsifal
1980 Mozart Die Zauberflote
1981 Puccini Turandot
1982 Bizet Carmen
1982 R. Strauss Der Rosenkavalier
1985 Mozart Don Giovanni
1989 Verdi Un Ballo In Maschera
DGG have also released some live Karajan CDs. The following were never recorded by him in the studio:
1960 Pizzetti Assassino Nelle Cattedrale
1963 Wagner Tannhauser
1963 Monteverdi L'Incoronazione Di Poppea
1964 R. Strauss Die Frau ohne Schatten
Philips
1980 Verdi Falstaff
Falstaff was released on the Philips label because DGG had just released the Giulini recording. The Karajan recording was probably recorded by his usual DGG team, although there is nothing in the LP documentation to confirm this.
Decca
1959 Verdi Aida
1961 Verdi Otello
1963 Bizet Carmen
1962 Puccini Tosca
1970 Mussorgsky Boris Godunov
1972/73 Puccini La Boheme
1974 Puccini Madama Butterfly
1978 Mozart Le Nozze Di Figaro
Karajan's Decca recordings were all recorded before Decca was absorbed by Polygram.
Source: http://www.hvk1955.proboards.com/thread/384/
Willem Orange
Jul 15, 2014, 11:42:30 PM7/15/14
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M forever
Jul 16, 2014, 12:29:44 AM7/16/14
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On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:26:25 PM UTC-4, m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
Richard Sandmeyer
Jul 16, 2014, 2:29:53 AM7/16/14
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In article <f67ffc14-ce39-4a62...@googlegroups.com>,
What about this DG recording:
1972 Lehar Die lustige Witwe (The Merry Widow) ?
Was it omitted from the box? Or did you just decide to list only
"grand" opera and not operetta?
1972 Lehar Die lustige Witwe (The Merry Widow) ?
Was it omitted from the box? Or did you just decide to list only
"grand" opera and not operetta?
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Randy Lane
Jul 16, 2014, 3:53:59 AM7/16/14
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And Die Fledermaus is left off of the Decca list.
m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Jul 16, 2014, 3:55:52 AM7/16/14
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Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 08:29:53 UTC+2 schreef Richard Sandmeyer:
I got this list off a different forum (as I indicated at the bottom of the message), so it could be that it is indeed imperfect.
Regarding Carl Orff's "De temporum fine comoedia", that one is already included in the 70s boxset.
Regarding Carl Orff's "De temporum fine comoedia", that one is already included in the 70s boxset.
Dana John Hill
Jul 22, 2014, 1:55:38 PM7/22/14
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On 7/14/2014 3:19 PM, m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
still a mystery, but they are sticking with the same box design.
Herman
Jul 22, 2014, 2:10:47 PM7/22/14
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wow, it's going to be red.
m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Jul 29, 2014, 7:09:50 AM7/29/14
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Release date of October 17 with 78 discs being included...
http://www.amazon.de/Karajan-1980s-Orchestral-Recordings-Ltd/dp/B00M7IR5Q0/
So that would bring the total number of discs on 82 (both Korean & international 60s box) + 88 (82 in the international 70s version) + 78 = 248 (or 242).
It thus seems that opera recordings are included as well...
I'm excited...
http://www.amazon.de/Karajan-1980s-Orchestral-Recordings-Ltd/dp/B00M7IR5Q0/
So that would bring the total number of discs on 82 (both Korean & international 60s box) + 88 (82 in the international 70s version) + 78 = 248 (or 242).
It thus seems that opera recordings are included as well...
I'm excited...
tomdeacon
Jul 29, 2014, 7:55:10 AM7/29/14
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A great comment, Herman. I see you have not lost your sense of perspective.
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dajokr
Jul 31, 2014, 11:41:39 PM7/31/14
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On Monday, July 14, 2014 12:19:45 PM UTC-7, m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
> Anybody know more about the 1980s box that is announced on this website? The text states that the box set will be released to commerate the 25th year anniversary of his passing, but the DGG catalogue doesn't have it included in their future releases yet...
>
> http://www.musikmarkt.de/Aktuell/News/Deutsche-Grammophon-Highlights-2014-von-Karajan-Kaufmann-Netrebko-Raabe
http://www.weltbild.de/3/19553556-1/musik/karajan-1980s-orchestral-recordings-ltd.html
> Anybody know more about the 1980s box that is announced on this website? The text states that the box set will be released to commerate the 25th year anniversary of his passing, but the DGG catalogue doesn't have it included in their future releases yet...
>
> http://www.musikmarkt.de/Aktuell/News/Deutsche-Grammophon-Highlights-2014-von-Karajan-Kaufmann-Netrebko-Raabe
http://www.amazon.de/Karajan-1980s-Orchestral-Recordings-Ltd/dp/B00M7IR5Q0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1406864426&sr=8-3&keywords=karajan+1980s
westover
Aug 1, 2014, 3:56:13 PM8/1/14
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בתאריך יום שלישי, 22 ביולי 2014 20:55:38 UTC+3, מאת Dana John Hill:
Thanks Dana. Always appreciate your input - i'm a bit jealous that you have the inside scoop on Universals upcoming products. Any information you find about MLP 3, by all means share.
Mike
Mike
Dana John Hill
Aug 2, 2014, 12:20:11 PM8/2/14
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On 8/1/2014 3:56 PM, westover wrote:
>
> Thanks Dana. Always appreciate your input - i'm a bit jealous that
> you have the inside scoop on Universals upcoming products. Any
> information you find about MLP 3, by all means share.
>
I certainly will. Unfortunately, that title has disappeared from the
>
> Thanks Dana. Always appreciate your input - i'm a bit jealous that
> you have the inside scoop on Universals upcoming products. Any
> information you find about MLP 3, by all means share.
>
release schedule to which I have access and hasn't reappeared. My
recollection is that it was initially scheduled for later this year. I
can only guess, but I'd like to believe that it has been delayed in
order to gather together some previously unissued-on-CD titles and not
canceled because of poor sales prospects.
westover
Aug 2, 2014, 1:02:27 PM8/2/14
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בתאריך יום שבת, 2 באוגוסט 2014 19:20:11 UTC+3, מאת Dana John Hill:
Yes, it could be a good thing that it is delayed. I would guess that the third volume would be one of the more promising projects they have lined up for the future.
Btw, On amazon.co.uk there is a Leonard Bernstein Edition from with 70 cds dated for an October released. There are no pictures yet but I am very curious what this could be.
Mike
Btw, On amazon.co.uk there is a Leonard Bernstein Edition from with 70 cds dated for an October released. There are no pictures yet but I am very curious what this could be.
Mike
Richard Sandmeyer
Aug 2, 2014, 2:54:14 PM8/2/14
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In article <cd12bd37-d0a8-45b4...@googlegroups.com>,
westover <westov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> בתאריך יום שבת, 2 באוגוסט 2014 19:20:11 UTC+3, מאת Dana John Hill:
> > On 8/1/2014 3:56 PM, westover wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thanks Dana. Always appreciate your input - i'm a bit jealous that
> >
> > > you have the inside scoop on Universals upcoming products. Any
> >
> > > information you find about MLP 3, by all means share.
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > I certainly will. Unfortunately, that title has disappeared from the
> >
> > release schedule to which I have access and hasn't reappeared. My
> >
> > recollection is that it was initially scheduled for later this year. I
> >
> > can only guess, but I'd like to believe that it has been delayed in
> >
> >
> >
> > Dana John Hill
> >
> > Gainesville, Florida
>
> Yes, it could be a good thing that it is delayed. I would guess that the
>
> Btw, On amazon.co.uk there is a Leonard Bernstein Edition from with 70 cds
> dated for an October released. There are no pictures yet but I am very
> curious what this could be.
>
> Mike
Yes, one would hope that the MLP 3 box would include the remaining
30-odd CDs from the WCF series that were not included in MLP boxes 1 and
2. Anything beyond that would be a bonus, (the more the better)
provided they are transferred/mastered well.
As for the Bernstein edition on Amazon UK, the contents of that are a
mystery. I see it is on the Sony label, so it must consist mostly of
his NYPO recordings (and a few done for Sony with other orchestras), but
I'm a little puzzled by the count of 70 CDs. The Bernstein "Royal"
Edition consisted of 100 well-filled CDs, and the "Bernstein Century"
series (which largely overlapped the Royal Edition but also included
some non-royal items) also had more than 70 (as best I recall). So
clearly this is not a complete Leonard Bernstein Sony recordings box,
but perhaps it is volume 1 of such a project? Or perhaps the Leonard
Bernstein Symphony Edition (60 CDs) was volume 1, and this collects the
remainder of his Sony (non-symphony) recordings (concerti, suites, tone
poems, overtures, operas, etc.) I guess there is nothing to do but wait
to see what it contains.
westover <westov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> בתאריך יום שבת, 2 באוגוסט 2014 19:20:11 UTC+3, מאת Dana John Hill:
> > On 8/1/2014 3:56 PM, westover wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thanks Dana. Always appreciate your input - i'm a bit jealous that
> >
> > > you have the inside scoop on Universals upcoming products. Any
> >
> > > information you find about MLP 3, by all means share.
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > I certainly will. Unfortunately, that title has disappeared from the
> >
> > release schedule to which I have access and hasn't reappeared. My
> >
> > recollection is that it was initially scheduled for later this year. I
> >
> > can only guess, but I'd like to believe that it has been delayed in
> >
> > order to gather together some previously unissued-on-CD titles and not
> >
> > canceled because of poor sales prospects.
> > order to gather together some previously unissued-on-CD titles and not
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dana John Hill
> >
> > Gainesville, Florida
>
> Yes, it could be a good thing that it is delayed. I would guess that the
> third volume would be one of the more promising projects they have lined up
> for the future.
>
> Btw, On amazon.co.uk there is a Leonard Bernstein Edition from with 70 cds
> dated for an October released. There are no pictures yet but I am very
> curious what this could be.
>
> Mike
Yes, one would hope that the MLP 3 box would include the remaining
30-odd CDs from the WCF series that were not included in MLP boxes 1 and
2. Anything beyond that would be a bonus, (the more the better)
provided they are transferred/mastered well.
As for the Bernstein edition on Amazon UK, the contents of that are a
mystery. I see it is on the Sony label, so it must consist mostly of
his NYPO recordings (and a few done for Sony with other orchestras), but
I'm a little puzzled by the count of 70 CDs. The Bernstein "Royal"
Edition consisted of 100 well-filled CDs, and the "Bernstein Century"
series (which largely overlapped the Royal Edition but also included
some non-royal items) also had more than 70 (as best I recall). So
clearly this is not a complete Leonard Bernstein Sony recordings box,
but perhaps it is volume 1 of such a project? Or perhaps the Leonard
Bernstein Symphony Edition (60 CDs) was volume 1, and this collects the
remainder of his Sony (non-symphony) recordings (concerti, suites, tone
poems, overtures, operas, etc.) I guess there is nothing to do but wait
to see what it contains.
m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Aug 2, 2014, 6:33:04 PM8/2/14
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Willem Orange
Aug 2, 2014, 6:46:41 PM8/2/14
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On Saturday, August 2, 2014 6:33:04 PM UTC-4, m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Bernstein-1918-90_000000000034572/item_Leonard-Bernstein-Edition-concertos-Orch-works-Recordings-Ltd_5850277
It looks like since the first was only symphonies, this picks up on the remainder of the orchestral material
> http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Bernstein-1918-90_000000000034572/item_Leonard-Bernstein-Edition-concertos-Orch-works-Recordings-Ltd_5850277
It looks like since the first was only symphonies, this picks up on the remainder of the orchestral material
westover
Aug 3, 2014, 4:30:57 AM8/3/14
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בתאריך יום שבת, 2 באוגוסט 2014 21:54:14 UTC+3, מאת Richard Sandmeyer:
> In article <cd12bd37-d0a8-45b4...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> westover <westomail.com> wrote:
Thanks Richard, from the below link it does look like this is a volume two of sorts. Maybe Sony figured that the symphony set sold too well to justify a full original album release.
Mike
> In article <cd12bd37-d0a8-45b4...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> westover <westomail.com> wrote:
Mike
Dana John Hill
Aug 4, 2014, 1:44:24 PM8/4/14
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On 8/3/2014 4:30 AM, westover wrote:
>
> Thanks Richard, from the below link it does look like this is a
> volume two of sorts. Maybe Sony figured that the symphony set sold
> too well to justify a full original album release.
>
> Mike
>
I'll be disappointed if Sony fails to issue a complete Bernstein
>
> Thanks Richard, from the below link it does look like this is a
> volume two of sorts. Maybe Sony figured that the symphony set sold
> too well to justify a full original album release.
>
> Mike
>
"original jackets"-type set at some point in the future.
Randy Lane
Aug 4, 2014, 2:10:24 PM8/4/14
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On Saturday, August 2, 2014 9:20:11 AM UTC-7, Dana John Hill wrote:
> On 8/1/2014 3:56 PM, westover wrote: > > Thanks Dana. Always appreciate your input - i'm a bit jealous that > you have the inside scoop on Universals upcoming products. Any > information you find about MLP 3, by all means share. > I certainly will. Unfortunately, that title has disappeared from the release schedule to which I have access and hasn't reappeared. My recollection is that it was initially scheduled for later this year. I can only guess, but I'd like to believe that it has been delayed in order to gather together some previously unissued-on-CD titles and not canceled because of poor sales prospects. Dana John Hill Gainesville, Florida
My inward hope is that Universal has delayed the release due to difficulties meeting acceptable content quality levels with some of the previously unreleased (on CD, that is) material. I'd like to believe that current release engineers will always instinctively take a little extra care with these recordings, recognizing the legacy of the Fine family and other Mercury engineers. Even if that little extra care does not produce results that would be acceptable to the original visionaries and engineers, effort in that direction not commonly given to other releases at least gives some testimony to their acheivements.
> On 8/1/2014 3:56 PM, westover wrote: > > Thanks Dana. Always appreciate your input - i'm a bit jealous that > you have the inside scoop on Universals upcoming products. Any > information you find about MLP 3, by all means share. > I certainly will. Unfortunately, that title has disappeared from the release schedule to which I have access and hasn't reappeared. My recollection is that it was initially scheduled for later this year. I can only guess, but I'd like to believe that it has been delayed in order to gather together some previously unissued-on-CD titles and not canceled because of poor sales prospects. Dana John Hill Gainesville, Florida
Willem Orange
Aug 4, 2014, 3:47:36 PM8/4/14
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m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Aug 4, 2014, 5:22:38 PM8/4/14
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Info on the contents available at DGG website:
http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/cat/4793448
There are no opera recordings included at all...
Maybe those are released separately next year in a fourth box?
http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/cat/4793448
There are no opera recordings included at all...
Maybe those are released separately next year in a fourth box?
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karajan.k...@gmail.com
Aug 12, 2014, 7:04:13 AM8/12/14
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This will be a 78 CD box set & the colour of it will be red. The photo on the box is the same one that was used on the live mahler 9 when it came out on cd. The international release date is October 13th. Hope this helps.
Raymond Clarke
Sep 11, 2014, 12:14:52 PM9/11/14
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I already have almost every issue in the forthcoming 1980s set but I'll still be buying the box. These are recordings that have stood the test of time.
With DG's 1960s Karajan set the contents of the CDs was in every case the same as the original LPs. With the 1970s set this was mostly true, except for minor adjustments such as putting Mendelssohn's Symphonies 1 & 2 each on a single CD, whereas in the original LP format the larger work was split over two LPs, and another exception being that six LPs (Richard Strauss Death & Transfiguration & Four Last Songs; Schoenberg Transfigured Night and Variations; Brahms Symphony 3; Tchaikovsky Symphony 2; Beethoven Symphony 5; Beethoven Symphony 7) had their content fitted onto other discs - in those instances the cover artwork of the cardboard sleeves was adapted to show the extra content. The original LP sleeves of those six LPs was reproduced in the book accompanying the set, as a substitute for having the cardboard reproductions of original sleeves.
But in the 1970s set, although CD 2 (Vivaldi) is equivalent to LP 2530 094 there are two extra concertos on it (for four violins) that were not on the original LP. Can anyone tell me where these concertos have come from? DG obviously intended to indicate the second LP which was used to supplement CD 2 because they give the catalogue number of the main LP followed by a forward slash ... but then they have forgotten to add the second LP number.
With DG's 1960s Karajan set the contents of the CDs was in every case the same as the original LPs. With the 1970s set this was mostly true, except for minor adjustments such as putting Mendelssohn's Symphonies 1 & 2 each on a single CD, whereas in the original LP format the larger work was split over two LPs, and another exception being that six LPs (Richard Strauss Death & Transfiguration & Four Last Songs; Schoenberg Transfigured Night and Variations; Brahms Symphony 3; Tchaikovsky Symphony 2; Beethoven Symphony 5; Beethoven Symphony 7) had their content fitted onto other discs - in those instances the cover artwork of the cardboard sleeves was adapted to show the extra content. The original LP sleeves of those six LPs was reproduced in the book accompanying the set, as a substitute for having the cardboard reproductions of original sleeves.
But in the 1970s set, although CD 2 (Vivaldi) is equivalent to LP 2530 094 there are two extra concertos on it (for four violins) that were not on the original LP. Can anyone tell me where these concertos have come from? DG obviously intended to indicate the second LP which was used to supplement CD 2 because they give the catalogue number of the main LP followed by a forward slash ... but then they have forgotten to add the second LP number.
westover
Sep 12, 2014, 5:15:22 PM9/12/14
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בתאריך יום חמישי, 11 בספטמבר 2014 19:14:52 UTC+3, מאת Raymond Clarke:
Both of the Vivaldi discs are actually different than originally issued. CD 16 originally had two reissues tacked on to the Vivaldi Four Seasons. For the 70s box, Vivaldi's L'estro armonico is split over the two discs (2 on each). [I am pretty sure that there is a minor typo in the 70s book for disc 16: the contributors should be from 13-19 not 17-19].
When were these originally issued? As far as I can tell (from a brief search) they were never released on record but first show up in 2003 on a Karajan Bach/Vivaldi compilation. But I could be wrong on this.
Mike
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> But in the 1970s set, although CD 2 (Vivaldi) is equivalent to LP 2530 094 there are two extra concertos on it (for four violins) that were not on the original LP. Can anyone tell me where these concertos have come from? DG obviously intended to indicate the second LP which was used to supplement CD 2 because they give the catalogue number of the main LP followed by a forward slash ... but then they have forgotten to add the second LP number.
Good question. One thing I find frustrating with the Karajan 70s is that it doesn't publish the production date in the book. And the production date on the actual disk for this one is 2013 (apparently because the disc has never been issued with this exact play list before).
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> But in the 1970s set, although CD 2 (Vivaldi) is equivalent to LP 2530 094 there are two extra concertos on it (for four violins) that were not on the original LP. Can anyone tell me where these concertos have come from? DG obviously intended to indicate the second LP which was used to supplement CD 2 because they give the catalogue number of the main LP followed by a forward slash ... but then they have forgotten to add the second LP number.
Both of the Vivaldi discs are actually different than originally issued. CD 16 originally had two reissues tacked on to the Vivaldi Four Seasons. For the 70s box, Vivaldi's L'estro armonico is split over the two discs (2 on each). [I am pretty sure that there is a minor typo in the 70s book for disc 16: the contributors should be from 13-19 not 17-19].
When were these originally issued? As far as I can tell (from a brief search) they were never released on record but first show up in 2003 on a Karajan Bach/Vivaldi compilation. But I could be wrong on this.
Mike
Steve de Mena
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On 9/12/14, 2:15 PM, westover wrote:
>> But in the 1970s set, although CD 2 (Vivaldi) is equivalent to LP 2530 094 there are two extra concertos on it (for four violins) that were not on the original LP. Can anyone tell me where these concertos have come from? DG obviously intended to indicate the second LP which was used to supplement CD 2 because they give the catalogue number of the main LP followed by a forward slash ... but then they have forgotten to add the second LP number.
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> Good question. One thing I find frustrating with the Karajan 70s is that it doesn't publish the production date in the book. And the production date on the actual disk for this one is 2013 (apparently because the disc has never been issued with this exact play list before).
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> Both of the Vivaldi discs are actually different than originally issued. CD 16 originally had two reissues tacked on to the Vivaldi Four Seasons. For the 70s box, Vivaldi's L'estro armonico is split over the two discs (2 on each). [I am pretty sure that there is a minor typo in the 70s book for disc 16: the contributors should be from 13-19 not 17-19].
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The booklet for the 2CD 2003 Bach/Vivaldi compilation states in the
>> But in the 1970s set, although CD 2 (Vivaldi) is equivalent to LP 2530 094 there are two extra concertos on it (for four violins) that were not on the original LP. Can anyone tell me where these concertos have come from? DG obviously intended to indicate the second LP which was used to supplement CD 2 because they give the catalogue number of the main LP followed by a forward slash ... but then they have forgotten to add the second LP number.
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> Good question. One thing I find frustrating with the Karajan 70s is that it doesn't publish the production date in the book. And the production date on the actual disk for this one is 2013 (apparently because the disc has never been issued with this exact play list before).
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> Both of the Vivaldi discs are actually different than originally issued. CD 16 originally had two reissues tacked on to the Vivaldi Four Seasons. For the 70s box, Vivaldi's L'estro armonico is split over the two discs (2 on each). [I am pretty sure that there is a minor typo in the 70s book for disc 16: the contributors should be from 13-19 not 17-19].
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text that the L'Estro Armonico recordings are being released for the
first time in this 2CD set.
Mystery solved.
Steve
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Sep 16, 2014, 10:54:29 AM9/16/14
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gggg...@gmail.com
Sep 20, 2014, 5:48:50 AM9/20/14
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On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:26:25 PM UTC-10, m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
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Concerning the Parsifal recording, the following book on Furtwangler said:
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http://books.google.com/books?id=eX2FMBU9420C&pg=PA486&dq=%22his+digital+recording+of+Parsifal+dating+from+1981%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tk0dVJ3jFNPhoASpv4CYBw&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22his%20digital%20recording%20of%20Parsifal%20dating%20from%201981%22&f=false
m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Sep 24, 2014, 5:56:59 AM9/24/14
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For those who are considering this boxset: the pre-sale price has now dropped to 160 euros at amazon.it:
http://www.amazon.it/Karajan-1980s-Various-Artists/dp/B00M7IR5Q0/
http://www.amazon.it/Karajan-1980s-Various-Artists/dp/B00M7IR5Q0/
Dana John Hill
Sep 24, 2014, 2:02:39 PM9/24/14
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I don't remember if this has been asked and answered, but do we know if
the recordings that were remastered and reissued in the Karajan Gold
series are included here in their first CD mastering, the Karajan Gold
remastering, or some later re-remastering?
the recordings that were remastered and reissued in the Karajan Gold
series are included here in their first CD mastering, the Karajan Gold
remastering, or some later re-remastering?
m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Oct 15, 2014, 5:50:09 PM10/15/14
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Anybody received their copy yet?
Mark Zimmer
Oct 16, 2014, 10:25:41 AM10/16/14
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On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:50:09 PM UTC-5, m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
> Anybody received their copy yet?
I got a notice that it will be shipping from amazon.ca (where the price is still $169 CAD, cheapest I've seen) with an estimated delivery date of Nov. 6-12.
> Anybody received their copy yet?
Richard Sandmeyer
Oct 16, 2014, 11:30:29 AM10/16/14
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In article <ab592569-cc12-414a...@googlegroups.com>,
I received a similar notice late yesterday from amazon.ca but with an
estimated delivery date about a week later than yours (I guess I must
have ordered it later than you did or else I live farther away from
their shipping point).
When I ordered it, amazon.ca was showing a shipping date of 13 OCT (same
as most European sources), but that was later pushed back to 31 OCT
(same as US sources). For that bargain price, however, I guess I can
wait the extra few weeks.
BTW, US Amazon is still asking $354.50 US for the same box. I suppose
their price will come down to the low $200s at some point (as it has for
the 1960s and 1970s boxes), but apparently they first hope to sell as
many boxes as they can to customers who don't compare prices with other
sources.
estimated delivery date about a week later than yours (I guess I must
have ordered it later than you did or else I live farther away from
their shipping point).
When I ordered it, amazon.ca was showing a shipping date of 13 OCT (same
as most European sources), but that was later pushed back to 31 OCT
(same as US sources). For that bargain price, however, I guess I can
wait the extra few weeks.
BTW, US Amazon is still asking $354.50 US for the same box. I suppose
their price will come down to the low $200s at some point (as it has for
the 1960s and 1970s boxes), but apparently they first hope to sell as
many boxes as they can to customers who don't compare prices with other
sources.
m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Oct 21, 2014, 1:29:58 PM10/21/14
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I received my copy today (from amazon.it). Unfortunately, the lousy packaging from Amazon's side resulted in a damaged inside cd-box (the sides where pushed in at the top, resulting in tears at the corners - if this makes it understandable to you). The overall quality of the box feels somewhat flimsy. The inside/bottom part of the box feels/is thinner, as well as the individual cd sleeves. The book looks nice, but there is no information on remastering whatsoever, so I cannot answer the question on mastering that what asked a few posts ago. The few discs I checked all have the "Original image bit processing" logo on it.
Wonder how others feel about the quality of the box....
Wonder how others feel about the quality of the box....
Dana John Hill
Oct 21, 2014, 2:08:26 PM10/21/14
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comparing it to the first two Karajan boxes?
m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com
Oct 21, 2014, 2:19:27 PM10/21/14
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Op dinsdag 21 oktober 2014 20:08:26 UTC+2 schreef Dana John Hill:
It says Made in the EU. I'm comparing it to the EU Karajan boxes, not the Korean 60 and 70 boxes.
marcl...@gmail.com
Oct 24, 2014, 8:05:59 PM10/24/14
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On Monday, July 14, 2014 3:19:45 PM UTC-4, m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
> Anybody know more about the 1980s box that is announced on this website? The text states that the box set will be released to commerate the 25th year anniversary of his passing, but the DGG catalogue doesn't have it included in their future releases yet...
> http://www.musikmarkt.de/Aktuell/News/Deutsche-Grammophon-Highlights-2014-von-Karajan-Kaufmann-Netrebko-Raabe
i received mine yesterday from Amazon.it. (thanks very much to the person who posted the very attractive offer from there!) I was upset when i saw the carton because the mailman left it outside on a very rainy day and the carton was all wet. I quickly tore open the box, expecting the worst, but the actual Karajan box inside was completely dry and in excellent shape. it seems to me to be the same construction as the 60s & 70s boxes. I haven't had a chance to listen to anything yet, but all the disc appear to be OIBP.
> Anybody know more about the 1980s box that is announced on this website? The text states that the box set will be released to commerate the 25th year anniversary of his passing, but the DGG catalogue doesn't have it included in their future releases yet...
> http://www.musikmarkt.de/Aktuell/News/Deutsche-Grammophon-Highlights-2014-von-Karajan-Kaufmann-Netrebko-Raabe
i received mine yesterday from Amazon.it. (thanks very much to the person who posted the very attractive offer from there!) I was upset when i saw the carton because the mailman left it outside on a very rainy day and the carton was all wet. I quickly tore open the box, expecting the worst, but the actual Karajan box inside was completely dry and in excellent shape. it seems to me to be the same construction as the 60s & 70s boxes. I haven't had a chance to listen to anything yet, but all the disc appear to be OIBP.
Randy Lane
Oct 28, 2014, 12:57:12 PM10/28/14
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Amazon.ca set to ship mine tomorrow
Steve de Mena
Nov 3, 2014, 8:37:38 PM11/3/14
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On 10/28/14, 9:57 AM, Randy Lane wrote:
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Received mine today from Amazon.ca.
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Curious about the cover to CD 35(?), Tchaikovsky Romeo and Juliet. I
had a CD on it with a painting on it of (presumably R&J, but this box
set has a strange collage of small Karajan portraits. Was this
recording ever issued on LP or CD with the cover used in this box set.
I also vaguely recall this album was originally only available in a
special edition of some sort (maybe with a book) and not as a regular
priced LP/CD.
The cover of the CD I have:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61xdcXzBiyL._SS280.jpg
Steve
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Feb 12, 2021, 10:26:03 PM2/12/21
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On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 at 8:26:25 PM UTC-7, m.j.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 05:17:45 UTC+2 schreef M forever:
> > On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 10:38:25 PM UTC-4, Willem Orange wrote:
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> 1965 Mascagni Cavalleria Rusticana
> 1966 Wagner Die Walkure
> 1967 Wagner Das Rheingold
> 1968 Wagner Siegfried
> 1969 Wagner Gotterdammerung
> 1979 Puccini Tosca
> 1979/80 Wagner Parsifal
> 1980 Mozart Die Zauberflote
> Op woensdag 16 juli 2014 05:17:45 UTC+2 schreef M forever:
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> 1965 Mascagni Cavalleria Rusticana
> 1966 Wagner Die Walkure
> 1967 Wagner Das Rheingold
> 1968 Wagner Siegfried
> 1969 Wagner Gotterdammerung
> 1979 Puccini Tosca
> 1979/80 Wagner Parsifal
> 1981 Puccini Turandot
> 1982 Bizet Carmen
> 1982 R. Strauss Der Rosenkavalier
> 1985 Mozart Don Giovanni
(Recent Youtube upload):
Mozart - Don Giovanni dramma giocoso K. 527 (Herbert von Karajan, Salzburg Festival, 1987)
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