Next stop: Brahms Piano Quintet, Op. 34
wk...@my-deja.com
recommendations for the above work.
Good sound, restrained use of vibrato are both "musts", and I prefer
what Simon calls "extrovert" performances. The local used store has a
copy of Hagen/Gulda on DGG, but the coupling is (for me) a real turn-
off (Schoenberg), and previous experience suggests that the Hagens may
be a bit too laid back for my taste here. I've gotten a couple of
recommendations for the Naxos (coupled with Schumann, which I also
don't own), but one of them was from the Penguin guide...
Bill
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paulgo...@my-deja.com
wk...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Since you folks did so well by Mendelssohn, I'd appreciate
> recommendations for the above work.
>
> Good sound, restrained use of vibrato are both "musts", and I prefer
> what Simon calls "extrovert" performances. The local used store has a
> copy of Hagen/Gulda on DGG, but the coupling is (for me) a real turn-
> off (Schoenberg), and previous experience suggests that the Hagens may
> be a bit too laid back for my taste here. I've gotten a couple of
> recommendations for the Naxos (coupled with Schumann, which I also
> don't own), but one of them was from the Penguin guide...
The Naxos is very good. I'd also recommend Rubinstein/Guarneri Qt.,
maybe somewhat more extrovert than Jando et al. I don't know any of
the digital-era alternatives (except for the Naxos). Serkin/Budapest
Qt. (Columbia stereo) was an LP era favorite; I don't know its CD
availability. None of these recommendations imply anything about
vibrato - unless really extreme, it is not something that bothers me in
string players.
Historical division: Serkin/Busch Qt. Busch Qt. members in Brahms are
highly recommendable in any context.
--
Paul Goldstein
samir ghiocel golescu
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 paulgo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> The Naxos is very good. I'd also recommend Rubinstein/Guarneri Qt.,
> maybe somewhat more extrovert than Jando et al.
It's one of my favorite Rubinstein (of course, not alone) recordings, very
passionate.
> Historical division: Serkin/Busch Qt. Busch Qt. members in Brahms are
> highly recommendable in any context.
Absolutely. I would also add (well-transfered on Biddulph, but the
original recordings were *not* too good!) Flonzaley-Harold Bauer, a
performance on the same level...
regards,
SG
Simon Roberts
: Good sound, restrained use of vibrato are both "musts", and I prefer
: what Simon calls "extrovert" performances. The local used store has a
: copy of Hagen/Gulda on DGG, but the coupling is (for me) a real turn-
: off (Schoenberg), and previous experience suggests that the Hagens may
: be a bit too laid back for my taste here. I've gotten a couple of
: recommendations for the Naxos (coupled with Schumann, which I also
: don't own), but one of them was from the Penguin guide...
Well, I think the Hagen/Gulda is first rate, including the coupling (you
never know; it might work for you); not as extrovert as their Schumann
Quintet, but not laid back. The Hagen Qt seems to have been changing its
interpretative stance in the last few years; their latest disc - Beethoven
op. 18/4 and 131 - has the least laid back 18/4 I've ever encountered,
while their cavatina to 130 here last season (I hope they record) it was
the best I've heard by a rather wide margin (not extrovert, needless to
say). The Naxos is OK; nothing special one way or another.
Simon
Tony Movshon
> Since you folks did so well by Mendelssohn, I'd appreciate
> recommendations for the above work.
The Naxos is very decent, especially for the Schumann, but you
can probably do better. I'll echo the recommendation of
Rubinstein/Guarneri, a wonderful disk (also with the Schumann),
and add Pollini/Italiano (but this may still be a ripoff, all
alone on a full-priced DGG CD). A sleeper that I like very
much (quite extrovert) is Ranki/Bartok Qt on Hungaroton.
As usual when this piece comes up, I will commend Brahms' own
two piano version, the sonata op. 34b, which I think I now
prefer to the quintet original. Excellent recordings can be
had from Argerich/Rabinovitch (Teldec, quite zippy) and
Afanassiev/Suchanov (Denon, more deliberate but very strong).
--
Tony Movshon mov...@nyu.edu
Center for Neural Science New York University
Clovis Lark
> Since you folks did so well by Mendelssohn, I'd appreciate
> recommendations for the above work.
> Good sound, restrained use of vibrato are both "musts", and I prefer
> what Simon calls "extrovert" performances. The local used store has a
> copy of Hagen/Gulda on DGG, but the coupling is (for me) a real turn-
> off (Schoenberg), and previous experience suggests that the Hagens may
> be a bit too laid back for my taste here. I've gotten a couple of
> recommendations for the Naxos (coupled with Schumann, which I also
> don't own), but one of them was from the Penguin guide...
This is an incredible recording. Clemens Hagen shows that his may be the
best technique around in the Schoenberg, AND he's musical with it! Both
pieces are played memorably.
Clovis Lark
I might also add that Myron Bloom and I listened to this recording which
he said was fantastic (Myron isn't free with praise) and immediately
pulled out his favorite Budapest/Serkin recording to show the
similarities he saw in their musicianship.
> Simon
Kauzchen
>
>On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 paulgo...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> The Naxos is very good. I'd also recommend Rubinstein/Guarneri Qt.,
>> maybe somewhat more extrovert than Jando et al.
>
>It's one of my favorite Rubinstein (of course, not alone) recordings, very
>passionate.
Absolutely. Seconded (or thirded, as the case may be).
FWIW, this is the recording that Glenn Gould called the greatest chamber music
performance he'd ever heard, one that changed his "notion of what Brahms
represents."
I don't know if the new Rubinstein Collection edition (Vol. 67) is one of the
discs that has been made available separately at this writing, but it may be
worth waiting for in that incarnation, because the coupling is the incomparably
mirthful and lyrical Dvorak Quintet by the same forces.
Frank Berger
released items are particularly noteworthy?
John Thomas
> Serkin/Budapest
> Qt. (Columbia stereo) was an LP era favorite; I don't know its CD
> availability.
I have the BSQ with Szell in an excellent transfer on Bridge coupled with
the Schubert "Trout"; if a version with Serkin is on CD I haven't seen it.
> Historical division: Serkin/Busch Qt. Busch Qt. members in Brahms are
> highly recommendable in any context.
I have the original issue of this one; the sound is indeed poor, and I
find Szell's pianism on the BSQ recording superior.
--
Regards,
John Thomas
Matthew B. Tepper
<20000912144225...@ng-ct1.aol.com>:
>FWIW, this is the recording that Glenn Gould called the greatest chamber
>music performance he'd ever heard, one that changed his "notion of what
>Brahms represents."
If only Gould had bothered to listen to Rubinstein's Chopin!
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Simon Roberts
: Speaking of Rubinstein, can anyone offer opinions on which of the individually
: released items are particularly noteworthy?
This isn't meant to be comprehensive (I'm relying on memory here, for one
thing) but for me the revelations have been the early 50s Chopin, which I
had never encountered before (far superior to the stereo remakes), the
1945 Appassionata, and the Brahms cto 2s (especially the one with Munch,
which I hadn't heard before; but the Coates was almost a revelation since
the sound is so vastly superior to the Claremont CD I originally had). I
very much like the Schumann cto from 1949 or whatever it is, and, allowing
in a stereo disc, the Beethoven op. 2/3 - not really as good as the best I
know, but wonderfully exuberant if a trifle careless at times (it's
coupled with his second (?) stereo Schubert 960). I'm not sure which of
these have been liberated from the box (I bought all mine via Academy,
which must have acquired a partial set somehow).
Simon
John Harkness
>samir ghiocel golescu wrote:
>>
>>On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 paulgo...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Naxos is very good. I'd also recommend Rubinstein/Guarneri Qt.,
>>> maybe somewhat more extrovert than Jando et al.
>>
>>It's one of my favorite Rubinstein (of course, not alone) recordings, very
>>passionate.
>
>Absolutely. Seconded (or thirded, as the case may be).
>
>FWIW, this is the recording that Glenn Gould called the greatest chamber music
>performance he'd ever heard, one that changed his "notion of what Brahms
>represents."
>
Tiniest of nitpicks -- Gould actually told Rubinstein that it was the
greatest chamber music performance "with piano" that he'd ever heard.
And I don't know if I'd agree with that, but it's awfully good. My
desert island recording of the piece.
John Harkness
Kauzchen
>Speaking of Rubinstein, can anyone offer opinions on which of the
>individually
>released items are particularly noteworthy?
I just checked a site to see what had been "liberated." So far, most of the
really good stuff and the long-unavailable treasures (such as those from his
"middle period") still haven't been released individually, and most of what
they have released has already been out there for quite some time on Gold Seal
or Red Seal.
Briefly, the very first volume with his initial Brahms 2 and Tchaikovsky 1
concerti is a fascinating document, with the sheer excitement and adrenaline of
the playing compensating, to these ears, for the wrong notes and the
limitations of the sound. The "Music of France" album is not to be missed. The
Rachmaninoff disc with Reiner is recommendable (although not so much so as his
earlier recordings of those pieces with Golschmann). His stereo Nocturnes are
at times beautiful and probing, and always are better than I remember them,
although they are no match for his earlier two traversals in the 30s and 50s.
The mono recording of the Chopin Second Sonata is altogether more convincing,
bold, and gripping than its blander stereo successor (it withstands the
coupling with his ill-rehearsed, (sadly) sole recording of the Preludes from
the same period). The stereo recording of the Brahms Op. 5 sonata with the
Ballades is fine, although again, there is a mono recording of the sonata, not
yet available separately, that gets pride of place -- more mercurial, more
spontaneous, etc. Some may find the Schumann Kreisleriana too tame, but I do
like what he does with the slower, more lyrical sections, and the Fantasy on
the same disc is a very poised and elegant late-Rubinstein performance,
especially good in i and iii.
I'd give a pass to his dull Ormandy re-recording of the Saint-Saens 2 -- any of
his prior ones, whether studio or live, is preferable, and nothing in the
fill-ups is that inspiring either, except for the Prokofiev miniatures, which
make me wish he'd done more with that composer. Likewise, they've chosen to
first release his Beethoven concerto cycle with Barenboim, which features
rather timid, undramatic orchestral playing, and Rubinstein's dynamic range
isn't captured at its best; he mostly bangs it out, without enough variation or
nuance. Wait for the Krips or Leinsdorf sets.
There's another batch of releases coming on Oct. 10, including a rather good
Schubert disc and his and Szeryng's wonderful Brahms violin sonatas, but I'll
stop for now.
wk...@my-deja.com
Clovis Lark <cl...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>This is an incredible recording. Clemens Hagen shows that his may be
>the best technique around in the Schoenberg, AND he's musical with
>it!
OK, you've convinced me (not to mention their recording of the string
quintets that I just heard this afternoon); I've had them put it aside
for me. Besides, previous experience with Hagen recordings suggests
that if I don't buy it now, I'll pay a lot more if I want it later -
assuming that I can still find it.
I'll probably also try to hear Rubinstein/Guarneri, if it's available
separately.
paulgo...@my-deja.com
wk...@my-deja.com wrote:
> OK, you've convinced me (not to mention their recording of the string
> quintets that I just heard this afternoon); I've had them put it aside
> for me. Besides, previous experience with Hagen recordings suggests
> that if I don't buy it now, I'll pay a lot more if I want it later -
> assuming that I can still find it.
I've recently heard the Hagens' Schubert quartet recordings -
fabulous! And astonishingly thoughtful and patient for such a young
group.
--
Paul Goldstein
Kauzchen
>
>This isn't meant to be comprehensive (I'm relying on memory here, for one
>thing) but for me the revelations have been the early 50s Chopin, which I
>had never encountered before (far superior to the stereo remakes), the
>1945 Appassionata,
You might like his contemporaneous Les Adieux, Pathetique, and Op. 31-3, none
of which I knew before the Collection's release (although I'd heard the stereo
remakes of all of them). The Pathetique is well coupled with some of his
excellent 1940s Brahms (selections from Opp. 79, 116-119), which itself is
quite different in character from what we hear in the fill-ups to his stereo
Brahms concerti.
>and the Brahms cto 2s (especially the one with Munch,
>which I hadn't heard before; but the Coates was almost a revelation since
>the sound is so vastly superior to the Claremont CD I originally had). I
>very much like the Schumann cto from 1949 or whatever it is,
'47.
>and, allowing
>in a stereo disc, the Beethoven op. 2/3 - not really as good as the best I
>know, but wonderfully exuberant if a trifle careless at times (it's
>coupled with his second (?) stereo Schubert 960).
Yes. What a strange, fragmented performance that Schubert is (and this is from
someone who knows and loves Afanassiev's!). The earlier one seems to me to be
in a different class.
wk...@my-deja.com
paulgo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I've recently heard the Hagens' Schubert quartet recordings -
> fabulous!
Are these the DGG? Where did you find them?
Bill
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beat you with experience.
Simon Roberts
: In article <8pm1f6$a1e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
: paulgo...@my-deja.com wrote:
: > I've recently heard the Hagens' Schubert quartet recordings -
: > fabulous!
: Are these the DGG? Where did you find them?
Unless you find used copies or want to pay an inflated price you will have
to venture abroad. Two of their recent discs are Schubert 887/Beethoven
95 and Beethoven 18/4 and 131, neither released domestically. Both are
never less than very good, much of the latter downright hair-raising. I
don't think their Schumann discs (piano quintet and string quartets) have
been released domestically either, nor their Brahms string quintets, nor
their Schubert string quintet (w. Heinrich Schiff).
Simon
paulgo...@my-deja.com
wk...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8pm1f6$a1e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> paulgo...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > I've recently heard the Hagens' Schubert quartet recordings -
> > fabulous!
>
> Are these the DGG? Where did you find them?
Yes. In various local libraries. I know the disc with No. 13 was
released here; I vaguely remember the others were not. Don't know how
all 3 wound up in the library.
--
Paul Goldstein
khj
Canada 3 or 4 years ago. It's coupled with the Grosse Fuge.
Kang
Nicolas Hodges
<kauz...@aol.com> writes
>Simon Roberts wrote:
>it's
>Yes. What a strange, fragmented performance that Schubert is (and this is from
>someone who knows and loves Afanassiev's!). The earlier one seems to me to be
>in a different class.
They both seemed pretty odd, and unsuccessful, to me. I was very
disappointed.
The more I get through that set, the more uneven Rubinstein is revealed
to have been. Not that that detracts from his high points, of course.
--
Nic
Nicolas Hodges
<kauz...@aol.com> writes
>samir ghiocel golescu wrote:
>>
>>On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 paulgo...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Naxos is very good. I'd also recommend Rubinstein/Guarneri Qt.,
>>> maybe somewhat more extrovert than Jando et al.
>>
>>It's one of my favorite Rubinstein (of course, not alone) recordings, very
>>passionate.
>
>Absolutely. Seconded (or thirded, as the case may be).
I beg to differ. I found it very dull, especially compared to the
quartets with the same forces. Perhaps I'll see the light one day...
--
Nic
Marc Perman
>Speaking of Rubinstein, can anyone offer opinions on which of the individually
>released items are particularly noteworthy?
The 1930s Chopin recordings, particularly the 2 disc set with the
Mazurkas and Scherzos. I haven't compared these transfers with the
prior EMis, but in isolation they sound quite good.
Marc Perman
wk...@my-deja.com
si...@dept.english.upenn.edu (Simon Roberts) wrote:
> : > I've recently heard the Hagens' Schubert quartet recordings -
> : > fabulous!
>Unless you find used copies
Not likely here in Boston.
>or want to pay an inflated price
Wouldn't be the first time...
>you will have to venture abroad.
How is A&B lately? I noticed a couple of them on their website, but I
hate to spend months in limbo, and then find out that they can't supply
the CD's.
>Two of their recent discs are Schubert 887/Beethoven
>95 and Beethoven 18/4 and 131, neither released domestically.
Do you have catalogue number for these (and Death and the Maiden,too).
Thanks...
>I don't think their Schumann discs (piano quintet and string quartets)
>have been released domestically either,
There are two? I know about one of them (and it was never issued here,
just made available as a dreaded "special import" very briefly a couple
of years ago.
>nor their Brahms string quintets,
This I found, and you're right about. Not at all what I expected from
them (but my only prior experience with them was their Trout, which is
marvelous but pretty relaxed).
>nor their Schubert string quintet (w. Heinrich Schiff).
Another one I didn't know about. Their discography is a lot bigger than
I thought.
M. Taboada
<<Unless you find used copies or want to pay an inflated price you will
have to venture abroad. Two of their recent discs are Schubert
887/Beethoven 95 and Beethoven 18/4 and 131, neither released
domestically. Both are never less than very good, much of the latter
downright hair-raising. I don't think their Schumann discs (piano
quintet and string quartets) have been released domestically either, nor
their Brahms string quintets, nor their Schubert string quintet (w.
Heinrich Schiff).>>
No wonder I had never heard of any of these recordings... in fact, I
though the Hagen had been dropped by DG (I think I could justify that
suspicion on general historical grounds). It amazes me that a big label
like DG would simply abandon US distribution of a very good quartet,
especially in chamber music in which the Hagens stand as good a chance
as anybody of selling well. What stupidity!
Regards,
mrt
Simon Roberts
: No wonder I had never heard of any of these recordings... in fact, I
: though the Hagen had been dropped by DG (I think I could justify that
: suspicion on general historical grounds). It amazes me that a big label
: like DG would simply abandon US distribution of a very good quartet,
: especially in chamber music in which the Hagens stand as good a chance
: as anybody of selling well. What stupidity!
What can they have thought as they toured the U.S. last season; surely at
least a few members of the audience asked them whether they had ever
recorded anything....
Simon
Brian Cantin
> I'll probably also try to hear Rubinstein/Guarneri, if it's available
> separately.
The Rubinstein/Guarneri has long been a favorite of mine on lp.
I just ordered the cd from Berkshire. Don't know whether it is
still in stock.
--
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An advocate of poisonous individualism.
To reply via email, replace "dcantin" with "bcantin".
JJ
>Since you folks did so well by Mendelssohn, I'd appreciate
>recommendations for the above work.
>
>what Simon calls "extrovert" performances. The local used store has a
>copy of Hagen/Gulda on DGG, but the coupling is (for me) a real turn-
>off (Schoenberg), and previous experience suggests that the Hagens may
>be a bit too laid back for my taste here. I've gotten a couple of
>recommendations for the Naxos (coupled with Schumann, which I also
>don't own), but one of them was from the Penguin guide...
>
>
No--Get the Hagen!! It's a stunning, impassioned, thrilling performance,
and hardly laid back.
Jon
JJ
I know, I saw them earlier this year, and many friends were disappointed that
none (that's right none) are generally available in the US. Here are the
recordings of theirs that I know of (taken off the Gramofile site):
Schubert String [Quartet] Quartets-A minor, D804; C minor, "Quartettsatz",
D703; E flat major, D87.
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen (vn); Annette Bik (vn); Veronika Hagen (va);
Clemens Hagen (vc)).
DG digital (Full price) (LP) 419 171-1GH (Cassette) 419 171-4GH (CD)
419 171-2GH.
Dvorak String Quartet in F, "American". Cypresses, B152-[No.] Nos. 1,2,5,9 and
11.
Kodaly String Quartet No. 2, Op. 10.
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen (vn) Annette Bik (vn) Veronika Hagen (va) Clemens
Hagen (vc)).
DG digital (Full price) (LP) 419 601-1GH (Cassette) 419 601-4GH (CD)
419 601-2GH (61 minutes).
Mozart String [Quartet] Quartets-B flat major, K589; F major, K590.
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen (vn) Annette Bik (vn) Veronika Hagen (va) Clemens
Hagen (vc)).
DG digital (Full price) (LP) 423 108-1GH (Cassette) 423 108-4GH (CD)
423 108-2GH (51 minutes).
Mozart Clarinet Quintet in A, K581.
Weber Clarinet Quintet in B flat, J182. Eduard Brunner (cl);
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Annette Bik, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 419 600-2GH (56 minutes: DDD).
Haydn String [Quartet] Quartets-B flat major, Op. 1 No. 1; D major, Op. 64 No.
5, "Lark"; G minor, Op. 74 No. 3, "Rider".
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 423 622-2GH (55 minutes: DDD).
Janacek String [Quartet] Quartets-No. 1, "Kreutzer Sonata"; No. 2, "Intimate
letters".
Wolf Italian Serenade.
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 427 669-2GH (52 minutes: DDD).
Mozart Early String Quartets.
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 431 645-2GH3 (three discs, nas: 216 minutes:
DDD).
String [Quartet] Quartets-G major, K80/73f; D major, K155/134a; G
major, K156/134b; C major K157; F major, K158; B flat major, K159; E flat
major, K160/159a; F major, K168; A major, K169; C major, K170; E flat major,
K171; B flat major, K172; D minor, K173. [Divertimento] Divertimentos-D major,
K136/125a; B flat major, K137/125b; F major, K138/125c.
Ligeti String Quartet No. 1.
Lutoslawski String Quartet.
Schnittke Kanon in memoriam I. Stravinsky.
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 431 686-2GH (54 minutes: DDD).
Beethoven String Quartet in F, Op. 135.
Schubert String Quartet in D minor, D810, "Death and the Maiden".
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 431 814-2GH (68 minutes: DDD).
Brahms Quintet for Piano and Strings in F minor, Op. 34.
Schoenberg (arr. Webern) Chamber Symphony No. 1, Op. 9. Paul Gulda (pf);
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 437 804-2GH (62 minutes: DDD).
Debussy String Quartet in G minor, Op. 10.
Ravel String Quartet in F.
Webern String Quartet (1905).
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 437 836-2GH (70 minutes: DDD).
Schubert String Quintet in C, D956 a.
Beethoven Grosse Fuge in B flat, Op. 133.
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc); Heinrich Schiff (vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 439 774-2GH (68 minutes: DDD).
Haydn Six String [Quartet] Quartets, "Sun", Op. 20.
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 439 920-2GH2 (two discs: 118 minutes: DDD).
Mozart Serenade in G, "Eine kleine Nachtmusik", K525 a. [Divertimento]
Divertimentos for Strings-D, K136, B flat, K137, F, K138. a Alois Posch (db);
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt vns, Veronika Hagen, va, Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 439 940-2GH (58 minutes: DDD).
Shostakovich String [Quartet] Quartets - No. 4 in D, Op. 83; No. 11 in F
minor, Op. 122; No. 14 in F sharp, Op. 142.
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 445 864-2GH (71 minutes: DDD).
Puccini Crisantemi.
Verdi String Quartet in E minor. Luisa Miller - excerpts (trans. Muzio).
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 447 069-2GH (61 minutes: DDD).
Schumann Piano Quintet in E flat, Op. 44 a. String Quartet No. 1 in A minor,
Op. 41 No. 1. a Paul Gulda (pf);
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 447 111-2GH (54 minutes: DDD).
Mozart String [Quartet] Quartets - D minor, K421/K417b; D, K575.
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 449 136-2GH (55 minutes: DDD).
Brahms String [Quintet] Quintets - No. 1 in F, Op. 88; No. 2 in G, Op. 111.
Gerard Causse (va);
Hagen Quartet (Lukas Hagen, Rainer Schmidt, vns; Veronika Hagen, va; Clemens
Hagen, vc).
DG (Full price) (CD) 453 420-2GH (59 minutes: DDD).
Also there are recent discs of the remaining Schumann Quartets Beethoven
op.95/Schubert 887, Beethoven op.131 + 18/4 (both excellent), and their most
recent recording of the Bartok Quartets.
Jon
Sudhir Kadkade
Thanks for the discography.
They also have a recording of the Schubert "Trout" Quintet
with Andras Schiff on piano and Alois Posch on contrabass.
It is also on DGG, my copy is at home so I cannot post the
catalog number.
The Debussy/Ravel quartets are the best I have heard for
that music.
Regards,
Sudhir
Frank Berger
France disks tonight. I hadn't realized they were packaged in cardboard booklets a
la the Masterworks Heritage series. This is fine, but there is a strange, if
minor, design oddity. The only thing legible on the spine is the volume number
(light blue on black). Other information is printed in a dark red that is
virtually invisible against the black background. They go to the trouble of
designing such a nice package...how can they overlook this?
In the bin right next to the new "Music of France" was the 1993 Gold Seal release
of the same name with exactly the same contents and at the same price.
David Standifer
> Speaking of Rubinstein, can anyone offer opinions on which of the individually
> released items are particularly noteworthy?
The Rachmaninov Piano Concerto 2/Rhapsody, etc. is a very important part of my
library -- if you're into Rach. The sound is significantly better than the previous
issue.
David
Kauzchen
>
>Thanks to those who replied. I picked up the Brahms/Tchaikovsky and Music of
>France disks tonight.
Hope you enjoy them.
>I hadn't realized they were packaged in cardboard
>booklets a
>la the Masterworks Heritage series.
I like the booklets; like the new notes (some more than others, but in general
they're very good), and love the restoration of the original album covers,
which include many great photographs and make those Gold Seals look even more
like the eyesores than they did before. But I hate sliding the discs against
that tight cardboard sleeve to free them or replace them.
>This is fine, but there is a strange, if
>minor, design oddity. The only thing legible on the spine is the volume
>number
>(light blue on black). Other information is printed in a dark red that is
>virtually invisible against the black background. They go to the trouble of
>designing such a nice package...how can they overlook this?
>
I remember complaining about that here the day I received the box. It's almost
impossible to read the titles without strain (or a flashlight). I don't think
it's an oversight, though. I finally realized after I'd had the set for a while
that if one stands across the room from the open box with both the upper and
lower rows full, one can see that those seemingly random black and brown shades
are actually all small parts of a photograph of a youngish-looking Rubinstein
in profile at the keyboad, and all 82 volumes add up to the big picture. I
guess the effect would have been undercut if they'd used a lighter shade for
the writing. It's still annoying, but by now I pretty much know where
everything is by its location in the box.
Simon Roberts
me
: >I don't think their Schumann discs (piano quintet and string quartets)
: >have been released domestically either,
: There are two? I know about one of them (and it was never issued here,
: just made available as a dreaded "special import" very briefly a couple
: of years ago.
The two Schumann discs are: 447 111 (piano quintet and op 41/1) and 449
214 (op 41 2/3).
I think all the other information you requested has already been provided
by others.
Simon
Kauzchen
>And if you play it backwards, it says...
"I buried Heifetz."
Frank Berger
Dan Koren
Nicolas Hodges <n...@nicolashodges.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I beg to differ. I found it very dull, especially compared to the
> quartets with the same forces. Perhaps I'll see the light one day...
So which Brahms Piano Quintet(s) do you like?
My favorites, in order and ignoring sound/recording quality are:
Richter/Borodin
Rubinstein/Guarneri
Pollini/Italiano
Bauer/Flonzaley
dk
Dan Koren
oy?earthlink.net (Matthew B. Tepper) wrote:
> If only Gould had bothered to listen to Rubinstein's Chopin!
He might have come down with otitis! :)
Dan Koren
wk...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Since you folks did so well by Mendelssohn, I'd appreciate
> recommendations for the above work.
Richter/Borodin -- dated sound but a knock-out performance
Rubinstein/Guarneri -- probably best all around recommendation
Pollini/Italiano -- some don't like the (too) prominent piano
Also consider the 2 piano version with Argerich/Rabinovich.
Hope this helps.
Matthew B. Tepper
>In article <krvv5.5973$%p2.2...@newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> oy?earthlink.net (Matthew B. Tepper) wrote:
>> If only Gould had bothered to listen to Rubinstein's Chopin!
>
>He might have come down with otitis! :)
Then what would he have gotten after hearing Callas as Medea?
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paulgo...@my-deja.com
"Sudhir Kadkade" <Sudhir_...@SiFR.com> wrote:
> JJ,
>
> Thanks for the discography.
>
> They also have a recording of the Schubert "Trout" Quintet
> with Andras Schiff on piano and Alois Posch on contrabass.
> It is also on DGG, my copy is at home so I cannot post the
> catalog number.
No, it's on London/Decca. I listened to this again recently. The
string playing is wonderful, but Schiff, as is often the case, indulges
in some extremely annoying hesitations, especially in the first
movement. Not as good as I remembered, overall.
--
Paul Goldstein
Simon Roberts
: No, it's on London/Decca. I listened to this again recently. The
: string playing is wonderful, but Schiff, as is often the case, indulges
: in some extremely annoying hesitations, especially in the first
: movement. Not as good as I remembered, overall.
Agreed; anyway, I think the Hagen Qt has improved since then (and since
its earliest DG recordings).
Simon
Sudhir Kadkade
>In article <8pmume$5oo$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Sudhir Kadkade" <Sudhir_...@SiFR.com> wrote:
>> JJ,
>>
>> Thanks for the discography.
>>
>> They also have a recording of the Schubert "Trout" Quintet
>> with Andras Schiff on piano and Alois Posch on contrabass.
>> It is also on DGG, my copy is at home so I cannot post the
>> catalog number.
>
>No, it's on London/Decca. I listened to this again recently. The
>string playing is wonderful, but Schiff, as is often the case, indulges
>in some extremely annoying hesitations, especially in the first
>movement. Not as good as I remembered, overall.
>--
My mistake, you're right. I should have gone home and checked
before posting. I should hear this CD again, I have not played it
recently.
Thanks,
Sudhir
Dan Koren
oy兀earthlink.net (Matthew B. Tepper) wrote:
> DanK...@Yahoo.com (Dan Koren) wrote in <8pnc8r$rui$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>
> >In article <krvv5.5973$%p2.2...@newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> > oy?earthlink.net (Matthew B. Tepper) wrote:
> >> If only Gould had bothered to listen to Rubinstein's Chopin!
> >
> >He might have come down with otitis! :)
>
> Then what would he have gotten after hearing Callas as Medea?
>
Dunno. Ever heard of bacteria that thrive on H2S?
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
:
: Since you folks did so well by Mendelssohn, I'd appreciate
: recommendations for the above work.
: Good sound, restrained use of vibrato are both "musts", and I prefer
: what Simon calls "extrovert" performances.
I tried posting this once, but it didn't seem to show up anywhere.
Apologies if this is a duplication.
I haven't seen any recommendations for my favorite performance:
Fleisher/Julliard on Columbia. That's a performance to make you say,
"Yowza!"
-----
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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
It's a bird, it's a plane -- no, it's Mozart. . .
Matthew B. Tepper
>In article <fHMv5.863$Mf5....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> oy兀earthlink.net (Matthew B. Tepper) wrote:
>> DanK...@Yahoo.com (Dan Koren) wrote in <8pnc8r$rui$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>>
>> >In article <krvv5.5973$%p2.2...@newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>> > oy?earthlink.net (Matthew B. Tepper) wrote:
>> >> If only Gould had bothered to listen to Rubinstein's Chopin!
>> >
>> >He might have come down with otitis! :)
>>
>> Then what would he have gotten after hearing Callas as Medea?
>>
>
>Dunno. Ever heard of bacteria that thrive on H2S?
>
>:)
Yes -- Ray Hall.
Bruce Frumker
John Thomas <neosa...@netscape.net> wrote:
> In article <8plpi0$vqq$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, paulgo...@my-deja.com
> wrote:
>
> > Serkin/Budapest
> > Qt. (Columbia stereo) was an LP era favorite; I don't know its CD
> > availability.
>
> I have the BSQ with Szell in an excellent transfer on Bridge coupled
> with
> the Schubert "Trout"; if a version with Serkin is on CD I haven't seen
> it.
>
> > Historical division: Serkin/Busch Qt. Busch Qt. members in Brahms are
> > highly recommendable in any context.
>
> I have the original issue of this one; the sound is indeed poor, and I
> find Szell's pianism on the BSQ recording superior.
The comparison of Szell/Budapest and Serkin/Budapest is a terrific
exercise in seeing just how different performances can be - even when
one might expect them to be similar. First movement the Serkin/Budapest
is forward striding passion, whereas the Szell/Budapest pulls at your
heartstrings. I really love them both.
Bruce Frumker