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Gerry

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Jul 25, 2017, 6:34:19 AM7/25/17
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I see that there is an upcoming release of a 40-cd Koussevitzky collection on the Korean label ARTIS. Does anyone have experience with the quality of these transfers? You can see a list of the ARTIS offerings on the HMV Japan website: http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/search/adv_1/labelcode_ARTIS/ Thanks.

Randy Lane

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Jul 25, 2017, 10:08:44 AM7/25/17
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For the price Artis and Venias boxes are outstanding.
I do not believe they do any mastering, but either license or rightfully (based on copyright laws in the place-of-sale) use existing transfers.


Don't expect anything revelatory in terms of digitization quality. Just appreciate the bargain.

Lawrence Chalmers

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Jul 25, 2017, 3:47:06 PM7/25/17
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On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 3:34:19 AM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:
> I see that there is an upcoming release of a 40-cd Koussevitzky collection on the Korean label ARTIS. Does anyone have experience with the quality of these transfers? You can see a list of the ARTIS offerings on the HMV Japan website: http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/search/adv_1/labelcode_ARTIS/ Thanks.

I wonder if the contents/titles of actual package is in English for these Korean issues.

Randy Lane

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Jul 25, 2017, 4:18:18 PM7/25/17
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It comes in English.

Lawrence Chalmers

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Jul 25, 2017, 4:26:30 PM7/25/17
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On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 3:34:19 AM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:
> I see that there is an upcoming release of a 40-cd Koussevitzky collection on the Korean label ARTIS. Does anyone have experience with the quality of these transfers? You can see a list of the ARTIS offerings on the HMV Japan website: http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/search/adv_1/labelcode_ARTIS/ Thanks.

I go to the hmv japan/english site and the contents of titles are in japanese. I am particularly am curious about the Mitropoulos and Ormandy sets.
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Randy Lane

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Jul 25, 2017, 5:32:48 PM7/25/17
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You'll also see a new Klemperer Venias 72 Cds box there too - just showed up today.

Frank Berger

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Jul 25, 2017, 5:48:58 PM7/25/17
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On 7/25/2017 4:41 PM, Mike wrote:
> http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/
The contents are listed in Japanese even in the "English"
site. However it can be copied and pasted into google
translate to find out what's there.

Randy Lane

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Jul 25, 2017, 5:50:03 PM7/25/17
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On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 2:32:48 PM UTC-7, Randy Lane wrote:
> You'll also see a new Klemperer Venias 72 Cds box there too - just showed up today.

I have many of the Venias boxes, and a few Artis (Mitropoulos and Gieseking). They are great for building a library and having historical performances available when you want them.

I often have duplications, and I hang onto most other copies of duplicated recordings with these boxes, given as I said earlier that they never do their own digital masters. They do often rearrange the works to group them together, most commonly in chronological sequences.

Recently acquired the Horenstein set. Has some terrific stuff in it. And as I expected the master for the Colonnes Prokofiev 5th is the same one complained about in this Amazon review:

https://www.amazon.com/Prokofiev-Symphonies-Buffoon-Suite-Lieutenant/dp/B00005QKFV/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1501019087&sr=1-1&keywords=Prokofiev+Horenstein+5

I find nothing displeasing like that about the Knappertsbusch boxes (4 Venias sets - one with 13 Parsifal recordings, one with the '56, '57, and '58 Rings , one with 70 CDs of orchestral works , and one with other opera recordings, including several Die Meistersingers).

But for the price and more I can live with such things.
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Frank Berger

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Jul 25, 2017, 6:49:04 PM7/25/17
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On 7/25/2017 6:08 PM, Mike wrote:
> HMV/Japan has long had an English-language site: http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/
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But the contents of the CDs are still in Japanese.

Randy Lane

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Jul 25, 2017, 10:41:38 PM7/25/17
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Here's the Koussevitzky contents

【Recording Information】
Disc 1
● Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 Hohhoo Major Op.55 "Hero"
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: October 29-30, 1945 19

Beethoven: Symphony No. 2 in D major Op. 36
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: 1938 12 Monday 3, April 12, 1939
Disc 2
● Beethoven: Symphony No. 5 in C minor Op.67 "Fate"
Boston Symphony Orchestrating
Recording: November 23, 27 November 1944

● Beethoven: Symphony No. 8 in F major Op.93
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: December 1936 30th day
Disc 3
● Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 in D minor, Op. 125 "With chorus" Janineu
Michaud, Soranju Michel, Georges Juite, Charles · Cambon France Orchestra France
recording: May 25, 1950
Theater des Champs-Elysees , Paris
Disc4-5
● Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 4 in F minor Op.36
Boston Symphony Orchestra
recording: March 11, 1949

Tchaikovsky ●: Symphony No. 5 in E minor Op.64
Boston Symphony Orchestra
recording: November 6, 1943

● Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 6 in B minor Op. 74 "Sadness"
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: February 9, 1946
Disc 6
● Brahms: Symphony No. 1 C Minor Op.68
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: February 17, 1945

Brahms: Symphony No. 2 in D major Op. 73
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: November 10, 1945
Disc 7
● Brahms: Symphony No. 3 major in F major Op. 90
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: October 8, 1946

● Brahms: Symphony No. 4 in E minor Op.98
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: April 29, 1944
Disc 8
● Mozart: Symphony No. 26 Hodht major, KV 184
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: January 22, 1946

● Mozart: Symphony No. 29 in A major, KV 201
Boston Symphony Orchestra
recorded: December 22, 1937

● Mozart: Symphonies 40 th G minor KV 550
Boston Symphony Orchestra
recording: September 05 April 1934
Disc 9
● Mozart: Symphony No. 34 in C major, KV 338
Boston Symphony Orchestrating
Recordings: March 17-18, 1940

● Mozart: Symphony No. 36 in C major, KV 425 "Linz"
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: July 17, 1946

● Mozart: Symphony No. 39 Hodder major, KV 543
Boston Symphony Orchestrating
Recording: December 18, 1943
Disc 10
● Bruckner: Symphony No. 8 C Major WAB 108
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: December 30, 1947


Disc11
● Bach: Brandenburg Concerto No. 1 in F major BWV 1046
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: August 17, 1949

Bach ●: Brandenburg Concerto No. 2 in F major BWV 1047
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: August 13-14, 1946

● Bach: Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 in B major 104
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: August 14, 1945
Disc 12
● Bach: Brandenburg Concerto No. 4 in B major, BWV 1049
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: August 13-14 1945

● Bach: Brandenburg Concerto No. 5 in D major BWV 1050
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: August 13-14, 1946

● Bach: Brandenburg Concerto No. 6 Bloomberg major BWV 1051
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: August 14, 1947
Disc 13
● Bach: Orchestra Suite 1st C Major BWV 1066
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: August 14, 1947

● Bach: Orchestral Suite No. 2 B minor BWV 1067
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: August 14, 1945

● Bach: Orchestra Suite 3rd D major BWV 1068
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: August 13, 1945

● Bach: Orchestra Suite 4th B major D BWV 1069
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: August 13-14, 1946
Disc 14
● Correlli: Suite for Strings (Pinelli)
New York Philharmonic Orchestra
Recording: February 22, 1942

● Ravel: "Daphnis and Chloe" suite 2nd
New York Philharmonic Orchestra
Recording: February 1942 Japan

● Shostakovich: Symphony No. 5 in D minor op.47
New York Philharmonic Orchestra
Recording: February 22, 1942
Disc 15
● Debussy: "Ocean"
New York Philharmonic Orchestra
Recording: March 1, 1942

● Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 in E minor, Op.64
New York Philharmonic Orchestra
Recording: March 1, 1942
Disc16
● Haydn: Symphony No. 92 No. G major "Oxford"
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: 1950 August 14, 2009

Haydn ●: Symphony No. 94 in G major, "startle"
the Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: 1929 April 22, 24 days

● Haydn: Symphony No. 102 Denver
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recordings: December 29, 1936

● Haydn: Symphony No. 88 in D major ~ Fourth movement
London Philharmonic Orchestra
Recording: September 4, 1934
Disc17
● R. Strauss: Symphonic Poem ": Also Sprach Zarathustra" Op.30
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: January 22, 1935

● Faure: "Pelleas and Melisande" Suite Op.80 from
the Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: 1945 4 Monday 24th
Disc 18
● Mendelssohn: Symphony No. 4 in A major, Op. 90 "Italy"
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: January 23, 1935

● Schumann: Symphony No.1 in B major change Op. 38 "Spring"
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: 1939 11 Monday 6

● Harris: Symphony No. 3
Boston Symphony Orchestrating
Recording: November 8, 1939
Disc 19
● Prokofiev: Symphony No. 1 in D Major Op.25 "Classical"
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: November 25, 1947

● Prokofiev: Symphony No. 5 in B major change Op.100
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: February 1946 6 Monday 7

● Prokofiev: "Romeo and Juliet" Op. 64 (excerpt)
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: October 30, 1945
Disc 20
● Prokofiev: "Three Orange's Love" Suite 33 (Excerpt)
Boston Symphony Orchestrating
Recording: April 22, 1929

● Prokofiev: Symphonic Suite "Lieutenant Kege" Op. 60
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: 1937 12 February 22

● Prokofiev: "Three Orange's Love" Suite 33 (Excerpt)
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: December 20, 1936

● Prokofiev: "Peter and Wolf" Op.67
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: 1939 April 12

● Prokofiev: Symphony No. 1 in D major Op.25 "Classical"
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: April 22, 1929


Disc 21
● Sibelius: Symphony No. 2 in D major op.43
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: January 24, 1935

● Sibelius: Symphony No. 5 everyday major op.82
Boston Symphony Orchestr
recording: December 29, 1936
Disc22
● Sibelius: "Daughter of Poholyra " op.49
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: May 6th, 1936

● Sibelius: "Shiratori Hime" Suite Op.54 ~ "Maidens with Roses"
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: 1936

● Sibelius: "Tapiola" op.112
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: November 7th and 8th, 1939

● Sibelius: Symphony No. 7 in C major Op. 105
BBC Symphony Orchestr
Recording: May 15, 1933
Disc 23
● Sibelius: Symphony No. 2 in D major Op. 43
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: November 29, 1950

● Grieg: "Spring spring" Op.34-2
Boston Symphony Orchestr
recording: November 29, 1950

● Schubert : Symphony No. 8 B minor D. 759 "Incomplete"
Boston Symphony Orchestrating
Recording: May 6, 1936
Disc 24
● Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 4 in F minor, Op. 36
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: March 11, 1949

● Tchaikovsky: String Serena - de ~ Waltz
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: May 8, 1936

● Tchaikovsky: Overture "1812 Year "Op.49
Boston Symphony Orchestrating
Recording: August 10, 1946
Disc 25
● Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 in E minor Op.64
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: November 22, 1944

● Tchaikovsky: "Francesca da Rimini" Op.32
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: April 19, 1946
Disc 26 -
Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 6 b minor Op. 74 " Brief "
Boston Symphony Orchestrating
Recording: April 14 - 16, 1930 April 14 -

Tchaikovsky: Fantasy Overture "Romeo and Juliet"
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: December 28, 1936
Disc 27
● Rachmaninoff: Symphony No. 3 A minor op.44
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: 1947

● Rachmaninov: "Island of Death" Op.29
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: April 23, 1945

● Rachmaninoff: Vocalize Op. 34
Boston Symphony music
recording: April 24, 1945
Disc28
● Mussorgsky: suite "Pictures at an Exhibition"
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: 1930 October 28-30 days

● Mussorgsky: "Night on Bald Mountain" (R = Korsakov version)
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: December 30, 1944

● Mussorgsky: "Hovan Shishina" ~ "Dawn of the Moscow River"
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: 1943 - 1948

● Rimsky = Korsakoff: "Russian Easter Festival" Overture Op.36
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: March 31, 1945
Disc29
● Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 5 in D major
recording: 1947 March 4,
the Boston Symphony Orchestra

● Barber: command march
Boston Symphony Orchestra
recording: October 30, 1943

Barber ●: Symphony No. 2 Op.19
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: March 4, 1944
Disc 30
● Ravel: Spanish Rhapsody
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: April 23-25 ​​April 1945

● Ravel: "Ma · Mail · Roi"
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: October 29, 1947

● Ravel: "Bolero"
Recording: 1947 August 13
Boston Symphony Orchestra

● Scriabin: "Poetry of Hou Earth" op.54
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: 1946


Disc 31
● Wagner: "Lohengrin" First Actor
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: April 27, 1949

● Wagner: "Parsifal" First Actor
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: April 4, 1947

● Wagner: "Wander Dutch "Overture
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: April 4, 1947

● Wagner:" Parsifal "~" Music of Good Friday "
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: April 19, 1946

● Wagner:" Siegfried Pastoral
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: April 27, 1949
Disc 32
● Hanson: Symphony No. 3 in A minor, Op. 63
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: 1939

● Copeland: "Spring of Appalachia"
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: 1945

● Copeland: "El Salon · México"
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: December 1, 1938
Disc 33
● Berlioz: "Faust's punishment" from Op.24
Boston Symphony Orchestrating
Recording: May 8, 1936

● Berlioz: "Harold in Italy" Op.16
Boston Symphony Orchestra
recorded: November 28, 1944

● Berlioz: "Carnival of Rome" Op.9
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: November 22, 1944
Disc 34
● Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra Concerto BB 123
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: December 30, 1944

● Shostakovich: Symphony No. 9 Houmatic Orchestra Op.70
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: August 10, 1946

● List: Mephisto · Waltz No. 1
Boston Symphony Orchestra
recording: May 8, 1936
Disc 35
● Ravel: Bolero
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: April 14, 1930

Ravel: "Daphnis and Chloe" 2nd Suite
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recordings: November 22 & 27 November 1944, January 3, 1945

● Ravel: La Vals "
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: October 29 - 30, 1930

Debussy: Sarabande
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: October 30, 1930

● Mussorgsky:" Exhibition "(Excerpt) (Ravel)
Boston Symphony Orchestra Group
recording: October 19, 1943
Disc 36 - 37
● Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 Houmatic Organs Op. 55 "Hero"
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: September 7, 1934

● Beethoven: "Egmont" Overture Overture
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: April 2, 1947

Beethoven : Misa Solemnis Op.123
Janet Vreeland (S)
Anna Cascus (A)
John Pleeve (T)
Norman Cordon (Bs)
Power Biggs (Org)
Harvard Glee Club
Radcliffe Coral Society
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: December 3, 1938
Disc 38
● Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 in D minor, Op. 125 "With Chorus"
Francis Yind (S)
Eunice Alberts (Ms)
David Lloyd (T)
James, Peas (Bs)
Berkshire Music Festival Choir
Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording : August 1947
Disc 39
● Shostakovich: Symphony No. 9 Houmatic
Orchestra Op. 70 Boston Symphony Orchestra
Recording: November 4, 1946, April 2, 1947

● Tchaikovsky: Fantasy Overture "Romeo and Juliet"
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: 1950 9 Monday 9

● Brahms: "College Festival Overture" Op. 80
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: April 2, 1947
Disc 40
● Brahms: Symphony No. 4 in E minor Op.98
Boston Symphony Orchestr
Recording: November 30th, 1938, December 3rd, January 18th 1939

● Beethoven: Symphony No. 5 in C minor Op.67 "Fate "
London Philharmonic Orchestra
Recording: September 3 and 4, 1934

Surge (Sergei) · Kosevitski (conductor)

wanwan

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Jul 26, 2017, 3:15:11 AM7/26/17
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Since a lot of this stuff appeared on M&A and WHRA, I wonder if they are just rips of those materials. Somebody had to do the transfers at some point.

Eric
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Mark Obert-Thorn

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Jul 26, 2017, 9:44:19 AM7/26/17
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On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 3:15:11 AM UTC-4, wanwan wrote:
> Since a lot of this stuff appeared on M&A and WHRA, I wonder if they are just rips of those materials. Somebody had to do the transfers at some point.

And the commercial recordings all came out on Pearl, Biddulph, Naxos and others. I did a lot of the transfers for those releases.

Looking over the listings, the only item I don't recall seeing on a previous CD release is the "1812" Overture, and that may have come out on some AS Disc issue I don't have.

Mark O-T

Randy Lane

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Jul 26, 2017, 2:19:48 PM7/26/17
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One comment about the contents of ARTIS and VENIAS boxes - the absence of concerto recordings. Korean products have always left opera out, and I can appreciate that. But why concertos? At least VENIAS puts the operas in separate boxes (Knappertsbusch, Cluytens, and Bohm for example).

Randy Lane

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Jul 27, 2017, 7:24:58 PM7/27/17
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On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 3:34:19 AM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:
> I see that there is an upcoming release of a 40-cd Koussevitzky collection on the Korean label ARTIS. Does anyone have experience with the quality of these transfers? You can see a list of the ARTIS offerings on the HMV Japan website: http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/search/adv_1/labelcode_ARTIS/ Thanks.

I am a little surprised a host of RMCR folks have not said anything about the ARTIS 015 box, with 23 CDs of William Steinberg. The HMV write-up says it includes the hard-to-get-on-CD Command Classics Beethoven and Brahms sets, recordings I've seen posters here express great thirst for over the years.
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Frank Berger

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Jul 28, 2017, 12:00:22 PM7/28/17
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On 7/28/2017 3:16 AM, Mike wrote:
> You're "buying a pig in a poke" any time you spend money on CDs represented as Steinberg's original Command Beethoven, Brahms, Wagner, and maybe a couple of others. After several disappointments I dumped all the CDs I bought hoping to recreate the thrill of the original LPs (high compression and all) and am more than happy with products from High-Definition Tape Transfers (Beethoven, Brahms, and Wagner) and St. Laurent Audio (Beethoven).
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>> I am a little surprised a host of RMCR folks have not said anything about the ARTIS 015 box, with 23 CDs of William Steinberg. The HMV write-up says it includes the hard-to-get-on-CD Command Classics Beethoven and Brahms sets, recordings I've seen posters here express great thirst for over the years.
>

Re: The Steinberg Command Beethovens. In looking at
whatever sources I could find, there are some descrepencies
about the recording dates.

#1 All agree on 1964
#2 HDTT gives 1963, all others give 1962
#3 All agree on 1963
#4 St. Laurent and HDTT give 1961, MCA, Wikipedia and
bsnpubs* gives 1962.
#5 All agree on 1965
#6 St. Laurent and Wikipedia give 1965, Rediscovery and
bsnpubs give 1967.
#7 All agree on 1962
#8 St. Laurent gives 1962, MCA gives 1967 and Wikipedia
gives 1966.
#9 Rediscovery says c. 1965, Wikipedia say 1966 and
bsnpubs says 1967.

* http://www.bsnpubs.com/abc/command.html

Randy Lane

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Sep 12, 2017, 8:06:39 PM9/12/17
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Koussevitzky, Steinberg, and Szigetti ARTIS boxes arrived Monday, along with the 72 CD Klemperer broadcast collection on Venias.

Get to some of the Koussevitzky recordings last night.
The 1945 LvB 3rd has the curious cavernous sound a few reviewers mentioned about the Lys/Dante version. The '36 LvB 8th, '37 WAM 29th, and '43 WAM 39th were all fabulous, especially for less than $2 USD per CD.

Jerry

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Sep 14, 2017, 11:45:43 AM9/14/17
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On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 3:16:29 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
> You're "buying a pig in a poke" any time you spend money on CDs represented as Steinberg's original Command Beethoven, Brahms, Wagner, and maybe a couple of others. After several disappointments I dumped all the CDs I bought hoping to recreate the thrill of the original LPs (high compression and all) and am more than happy with products from High-Definition Tape Transfers (Beethoven, Brahms, and Wagner) and St. Laurent Audio (Beethoven).
> >
> > I am a little surprised a host of RMCR folks have not said anything about the ARTIS 015 box, with 23 CDs of William Steinberg. The HMV write-up says it includes the hard-to-get-on-CD Command Classics Beethoven and Brahms sets, recordings I've seen posters here express great thirst for over the years.

Is there anyone out there having any insider information on the fate
of the Command Classics masters? It is my understanding that its
catalog is now within the Universal group (based on earlier authorized
releases on MCA). They have done reasonably well in re-issuing some of
their Westminster heritage (even some from the mono era) while the
Command catalog is largely untouched.

Jerry

Randy Lane

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I recall a post elsewhere saying UMG does not equipment in good condition to read the 35mm tapes.
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