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KARAJAN RING REMASTERS

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RANDY WOLFGANG

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Jan 3, 2020, 1:06:02 PM1/3/20
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I have the Karajan Ring cycle on DG Originals which if I read correctly was remastered in 1989. Does anyone know if the Eloquence reissue is a new remastering - the blu ray seems to be OOP.

weary flake

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Jan 3, 2020, 1:16:11 PM1/3/20
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The Originals is from 1998.

RANDY WOLFGANG

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Jan 3, 2020, 1:53:07 PM1/3/20
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I wonder if the Eloquence is later and better

wkasimer

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Jan 3, 2020, 5:24:00 PM1/3/20
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On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 1:53:07 PM UTC-5, RANDY WOLFGANG wrote:

> > The Originals is from 1998.
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> I wonder if the Eloquence is later and better

It's certainly later - it was issued in 2016. As for the sonics, I compared it back then to the Originals issue. While I noted some improvement, it was pretty subtle, and I'm sure that it'd be hard to detect on any non-high end audio system.

RANDY WOLFGANG

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Jan 3, 2020, 5:32:12 PM1/3/20
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Hmmm sounds like not worth replacing; haven't heard any of the blu ray though

joe...@hotmail.com

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Jan 4, 2020, 9:43:25 AM1/4/20
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The blu-ray shows a modest improvement in overall fidelity, but it also reveals more deficiencies in the original tape and engineering. So it’s somewhat of a mixed bag in my opinion.

RANDY WOLFGANG

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Jan 4, 2020, 9:49:48 AM1/4/20
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On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 9:43:25 AM UTC-5, joey7c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The blu-ray shows a modest improvement in overall fidelity, but it also reveals more deficiencies in the original tape and engineering. So it’s somewhat of a mixed bag in my opinion.

Thx sounds like I'll stick with my Originals CDs

Alex Brown

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Jan 5, 2020, 3:56:23 AM1/5/20
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It's always sounded pretty good, in a slightly antiseptic &
over-reverberant kind of way. If somebody (Pristine?) could so some work
on a live Karajan Ring that might be a more interesting prospect - I
have the Salzburg performances on Memories and the poor stereo sound
"feels" like it has more to give ...

--
- Alex Brown

weary flake

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Jan 5, 2020, 4:18:37 AM1/5/20
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There's the first DG release on CDs, made in West Germany.
Maybe the first CD release has the best sound of all?
Why assume that later mastering is better?

johnke...@gmail.com

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Jan 5, 2020, 10:17:41 AM1/5/20
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On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 1:06:02 PM UTC-5, RANDY WOLFGANG wrote:
> I have the Karajan Ring cycle on DG Originals which if I read correctly was remastered in 1989. Does anyone know if the Eloquence reissue is a new remastering - the blu ray seems to be OOP.

The Karajan Ring is available on HD FLAC 96 remastered download - quite impressive.

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8167213--wagner-der-ring-des-nibelungen

96 kHz / 24-bit PCM – DG Studio Masters

Executive Producer: Otto Gerdes
Recording Producer: Hans Weber
Tonmeister (Balance Engineer): Günter Hermanns
English translation of the libretto © 1996 Stewart Spencer Original

wkasimer

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Jan 5, 2020, 12:46:13 PM1/5/20
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On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 4:18:37 AM UTC-5, weary flake wrote:

> There's the first DG release on CDs, made in West Germany.
> Maybe the first CD release has the best sound of all?
> Why assume that later mastering is better?

I'm not assuming. I've listened to all three RBCD issues, and compared them.

arel64

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Jan 14, 2020, 12:49:35 PM1/14/20
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For your comparison, I uploaded the fragment from the First Act of Gotterdammerung in four different versions.

1) LP transfer
2) First CD transfer from 1989
3) Second CD transfer from 1998 (AKA The Originals)
https://mega.nz/#!dPpGzKxL!Iyyx89GzDKWzfvNwjj2OT56XWe1sQivkc26A55F98kc

4) 24/96 Hi-Res Download (which is the same remastering as the Blu-ray edition)
https://mega.nz/#!RSQCGCYZ!XQbNwM806r4ZPrc8kxLGJGqNHAaDZ-ed9fKdTIFPsXk

It is my understanding that the Eloquence reissue contains the Red Book version of the recent Hi-Res/Blu-ray remastering (correct me if I am mistaken).

Each subsequent digital version is superior to the previous one IMO, but the differences are subtle.

arel64

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Jun 27, 2020, 2:05:59 AM6/27/20
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Contrary to the advertisement, the recent Die Walkure Blu-ray+CD combo is the same 24/96 remastering as the complete Ring published on Blu-ray previously.

Here are the scans from the stand-alone Die Walkure box:

https://ibb.co/T1RMsvP

https://ibb.co/FbRF3KZ

drh8h

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Jun 27, 2020, 9:23:44 AM6/27/20
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And ditto for the Kleiber Freischütz: same as the previous Kleiber complete recordings blu-ray.

gggg gggg

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Jul 13, 2021, 11:43:13 PM7/13/21
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On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 10:06:02 AM UTC-8, meyers...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have the Karajan Ring cycle on DG Originals which if I read correctly was remastered in 1989. Does anyone know if the Eloquence reissue is a new remastering - the blu ray seems to be OOP.

https://www.ludwig-van.com/toronto/2017/09/24/record-keeping-karajans-ring-gets-the-high-end-audio-treatment/

Steven de Mena

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Jul 14, 2021, 12:37:09 PM7/14/21
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The Karajan DG Blu-Ray Ring is not out of print.
https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Nibelungen-Blu-ray-Audio/dp/B071D6Y7GM/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=karajan+wagner+ring&qid=1626280481&s=music&sr=1-4

I believe the master for the Blu-Ray release was the white box DG German Eloquence:
https://www.amazon.com/Wagner-Ring-Nibelungen-R-WAGNER/dp/B01GUKLJJO/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=karajan+wagner+ring&qid=1626280565&s=music&sr=1-3

Steve

John Fowler

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Jul 14, 2021, 3:36:25 PM7/14/21
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Ignore the warning posted on the Amazon website:
"Playback Region 1 :This will not play on most DVD players sold in the U.S., U.S. Territories, Canada, and Bermuda. See other DVD options under “Other Formats & Versions”."
This is not DVD - Blu-Ray Audio is region-free
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