Pre Nikisch 5th?
Jose
Last week I asked about some Beethoven 5ths. Many kindly answered.
Thank you!
One post stated that there was a apre Arthur Nikisch recording of it.
Which is it?
I find the topic very interesting.
Thank you!!
GMS
There is an earlier recording (from 1910/11??) by Friedrich Kark.
Sorry, but I don't remember the orchestra.
Gary Stucka
Edward Cowan
http://www.historic-recordings.co.uk/EZ/hr/hr/viewdetails.php?Product_Co
de=HRFL0001&PHPSESSID=2soll98bdntp7gfbh71018efh1
The web site has the following information:
"HRFL0001 - Friedrich Kark 1910
Beethoven: Symphony No. 5 (Odeon Orchestra, 1910)
(special price, due to short duration)
Kark was born in 1869, near Hamburg. After training as a violinist and
pianist, he conducted at a Hamburg theatre, before joining the
Lindstroem company in 1906, working as their house-conductor until 1918,
recording for the Odeon label.
The catalogue numbers for this rare version of Beethoven's 5th Symphony
are: XX 76147/8, Rxx 79153/4, and Rxx 76149/52. The matrix numbers are
xxB 5259/5260, xxB5247/xxB5246B, and xxB5267/5270."
Unfortunately, the performing orchestra is not named here, other than
the identificatiion as "Odeon Orchestra". --E.A.C.
GMS <slidem...@aol.com> wrote:
> There is an earlier recording (from 1910/11??) by Friedrich Kark.
> Sorry, but I don't remember the orchestra.
>
> Gary Stucka
--
hrabanus
El Klauso
early complete/near complete opera recordings as well as that first
5th.
Paul Haebler
Odeon Symphony Orchestra of Berlin
Friedrich Kark
Paul Haebler
compare, using just the sound, and yet "that" (old) technology. A
grand scale! Very similar to the record Koussevitzky, 1949. The same
techniques, the emphasis ...
Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:1jrwljj.1vg7nzh189pofmN%
oldger...@nospam.com:
> A website has the Kark LvB5 on offer:
>
> http://www.historic-recordings.co.uk/EZ/hr/hr/viewdetails.php?Product_Co
> de=HRFL0001&PHPSESSID=2soll98bdntp7gfbh71018efh1
>
> The web site has the following information:
>
>
> "HRFL0001 - Friedrich Kark 1910
>
> Beethoven: Symphony No. 5 (Odeon Orchestra, 1910)
> (special price, due to short duration)
>
> Kark was born in 1869, near Hamburg. After training as a violinist and
> pianist, he conducted at a Hamburg theatre, before joining the
> Lindstroem company in 1906, working as their house-conductor until 1918,
> recording for the Odeon label.
>
> The catalogue numbers for this rare version of Beethoven's 5th Symphony
> are: XX 76147/8, Rxx 79153/4, and Rxx 76149/52. The matrix numbers are
> xxB 5259/5260, xxB5247/xxB5246B, and xxB5267/5270."
>
>
> Unfortunately, the performing orchestra is not named here, other than
> the identification as "Odeon Orchestra". --E.A.C.
This was available from Japan on Wing WCD 62, coupled with a Leonore
Overture #3 from 1912.
The only other recording I have conducted by Kark is one of the Mozart
concert arias, "No, che non sei capace," K. 419, sung by one Hedwig
Francillo-Kaufmann, in the French EMI box "Introuvables du Chant
Mozartien," CDMD 63750.
--
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Edward Cowan
Francillo-Kaufman in that Mozart aria. The recording, processed by Keith
Hardwick, is amazingly full-bodied for an acoustical recording. The
soprano is placed very forward in the recording, so it's hard to tell
much about the orchestral performance except for when the soprano is not
singing. The lady, as recorded, sounds very shrill, but she does have
good coloratura technique.
The booklet that came with the earlier LP version of that EMI set (EMI
2905983, six LP's) included a short bio of this soprano (in French, as
is the entire booklet of ca. 190 pp.!) mentions a recording by her of
the original version of Zerbinetta's rondo in _Ariadne auf Naxos_. Of
the soprano's singing, the writer of the short bio (presumably André
Tubeuf, who also contributes two lengthy articles) states of her
singing:
"Mais son Mozart (et son style classique) est resté épisodique et
approximatif: sans l'insensée d'un air de concert que personne ne tente,
la place de cette brillante et bizarre chanteuse serait à peine ici."
(p. 96) (Perhaps someone with better French than mine might offer a
translation of this brief passage?...)
The soprano is also heard in vol.1 of "The Record of Singing" in an aria
from Flotow's "Alessandro Stradella". --E.A.C.
Matthew B. Tepper <oy˛@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The only other recording I have conducted by Kark is one of the Mozart
> concert arias, "No, che non sei capace," K. 419, sung by one Hedwig
> Francillo-Kaufmann, in the French EMI box "Introuvables du Chant
> Mozartien," CDMD 63750.
--
hrabanus
Matthew B. Tepper
> I have that Mozart set as well, and I just finished listening to Mme.
> Francillo-Kaufman in that Mozart aria. The recording, processed by Keith
> Hardwick, is amazingly full-bodied for an acoustical recording. The
> soprano is placed very forward in the recording, so it's hard to tell
> much about the orchestral performance except for when the soprano is not
> singing. The lady, as recorded, sounds very shrill, but she does have
> good coloratura technique.
>
> The booklet that came with the earlier LP version of that EMI set (EMI
> 2905983, six LP's) included a short bio of this soprano (in French, as is
> the entire booklet of ca. 190 pp.!) mentions a recording by her of the
> original version of Zerbinetta's rondo in _Ariadne auf Naxos_. Of the
> soprano's singing, the writer of the short bio (presumably André Tubeuf,
> who also contributes two lengthy articles) states of her singing:
>
> "Mais son Mozart (et son style classique) est resté épisodique et
> approximatif: sans l'insensée d'un air de concert que personne ne tente,
> la place de cette brillante et bizarre chanteuse serait peine ici."
> (p. 96) (Perhaps someone with better French than mine might offer a
> translation of this brief passage?...)
Google Translate gives the following: "But his Mozart (and his classical
style) remained episodic and approximate: the senseless without a concert
aria that no tent, the place of this brilliant and quirky singer is barely
here." But then Tubeuf largely generates blather, so I wouldn't be too
concerned about it making any sense.
This box is not one I would have ordinarily sought out by itself, but it
was part of a grab-bag of operatic/vocal CDs which included one item I
particularly wanted, this one and another I decided to keep, one I gave to
a co-worker, and a few I brought to Record Surplus for trade credit:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/Barstow-stuff
> The soprano is also heard in vol.1 of "The Record of Singing" in an aria
> from Flotow's "Alessandro Stradella". --E.A.C.
>
> Matthew B. Tepper <oyË›@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> The only other recording I have conducted by Kark is one of the Mozart
>> concert arias, "No, che non sei capace," K. 419, sung by one Hedwig
>> Francillo-Kaufmann, in the French EMI box "Introuvables du Chant
>> Mozartien," CDMD 63750.
--
Roger Kulp
> A website has the Kark LvB5 on offer:
>
> http://www.historic-recordings.co.uk/EZ/hr/hr/viewdetails.php?Product_Co
> de=HRFL0001&PHPSESSID=2soll98bdntp7gfbh71018efh1
>
> The web site has the following information:
>
> "HRFL0001 - Friedrich Kark 1910
>
> Beethoven: Symphony No. 5 (Odeon Orchestra, 1910)
> (special price, due to short duration)
>
> Kark was born in 1869, near Hamburg. After training as a violinist and
> pianist, he conducted at a Hamburg theatre, before joining the
> Lindstroem company in 1906, working as their house-conductor until 1918,
> recording for the Odeon label.
>
> The catalogue numbers for this rare version of Beethoven's 5th Symphony
> are: XX 76147/8, Rxx 79153/4, and Rxx 76149/52. The matrix numbers are
> xxB 5259/5260, xxB5247/xxB5246B, and xxB5267/5270."
>
> Unfortunately, the performing orchestra is not named here, other than
> the identificatiion as "Odeon Orchestra". --E.A.C.
>
> > There is an earlier recording (from 1910/11??) by Friedrich Kark.
> > Sorry, but I don't remember the orchestra.
>
> > Gary Stucka
>
> --
> hrabanus
5th,I can't recall.Unfortunately,the last record was missing when I
bought it :(
Roger