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Archivmusic is a good source, (Amazon too) to buy recorded music but Presto Classical is superb.

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pierrep...@gmail.com

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Feb 19, 2016, 8:43:02 AM2/19/16
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I am very impressed with the the Presto Classical website. I highly recommend it and the prices, as well as shipping costs, are quite reasonable. Most offering can be auditioned and if downloading music is your shtick, you can do so by choosing mp3 or FLAC on most recordings. Check out the thorough CD box offerings too as well as informative reviews of new releases. Also, like Archivmusic, Presto has their own Presto CD line of oop CD's on HQ CDr's. A huge list of older oop DG CDs was released a few weeks ago.
See http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk

rlbfour

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Feb 19, 2016, 9:21:01 AM2/19/16
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On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 8:43:02 AM UTC-5, pierrep...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am very impressed with the the Presto Classical website. I highly recommend it and the prices, as well as shipping costs, are quite reasonable. Most offering can be auditioned and if downloading music is your shtick, you can do so by choosing mp3 or FLAC on most recordings. Check out the thorough CD box offerings too as well as informative reviews of new releases. Also, like Archivmusic, Presto has their own Presto CD line of oop CD's on HQ CDr's. A huge list of older oop DG CDs was released a few weeks ago.
> See http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk

Depending on where one lives,I have found in the USA the I can get cds thru Amazon, at much lower costs than Presto.

Frank Berger

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Feb 19, 2016, 9:32:49 AM2/19/16
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Nothing against Presto, but I'm a loyal customer of MDT.
Often I will have a bunch of stuff in my MDT cart and before
ordering, I check Amazon. If the item is available at all
on Amazon, I'd say it's usually about the same price as MDT.
On Presto's page describing their own pressings (which I
did'nt know about), I couldn't find where they mentioned
they were CD-Rs and not CDs.
Perhaps not the biggest deal, but still.....

chax...@williams.edu

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Feb 19, 2016, 9:47:41 AM2/19/16
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On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 8:43:02 AM UTC-5, pierrep...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am very impressed with the the Presto Classical website. I highly recommend it and the prices, as well as shipping costs, are quite reasonable. Most offering can be auditioned and if downloading music is your shtick, you can do so by choosing mp3 or FLAC on most recordings. Check out the thorough CD box offerings too as well as informative reviews of new releases. Also, like Archivmusic, Presto has their own Presto CD line of oop CD's on HQ CDr's. A huge list of older oop DG CDs was released a few weeks ago.
> See http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk

Agreed about Presto. I order from HBDirect, Arkivmusic, MDT, and Presto Classical. I live in the U.S., but I find that, even with postage, multidisc CDs are almost always cheaper--sometimes substantially so-- from the two UK sources than they are from US sources. I now compare the cost on orders from Presto and MDT, and find that they are sometimes a few dollars cheaper on Presto. Presto Classical also provides a sampling of reviews on many releases, and their own commentary on new releases. It's worthwhile to subscribe to their newsletter.

pierrep...@gmail.com

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Feb 19, 2016, 9:53:20 AM2/19/16
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I emailed Presto as well as Archivmusic and asked about their reissue CDs. Both use CDr's
If you want to read both email replies, email me back.



pierrep...@gmail.com

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Feb 19, 2016, 12:24:20 PM2/19/16
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Yes, it's the low prices, and most of all, the presentation which is far more dedicated and thorough.

graham

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Feb 19, 2016, 12:48:21 PM2/19/16
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On 19/02/2016 6:42 AM, pierrep...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am very impressed with the the Presto Classical website. I highly recommend it and the prices, as well as shipping costs, are quite reasonable. Most offering can be auditioned and if downloading music is your shtick, you can do so by choosing mp3 or FLAC on most recordings. Check out the thorough CD box offerings too as well as informative reviews of new releases. Also, like Archivmusic, Presto has their own Presto CD line of oop CD's on HQ CDr's. A huge list of older oop DG CDs was released a few weeks ago.
> See http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk
>
The trouble with Presto is that they take your money *immediately*, even
for back orders. One of mine was delayed so long that when they refunded
me I lost a significant % because of the change in currency rates.
OK, I could have made money at other times but their payment method is
unacceptable to me. MDT does not charge you until they actually dispatch
the item.
Graham

pierrep...@gmail.com

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Feb 19, 2016, 1:15:16 PM2/19/16
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Sorry to read this. As for me, I've never had a delay problem with Presto.

Frank Berger

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Feb 19, 2016, 1:22:08 PM2/19/16
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I'm virtually indifferent to CDs vs CD-Rs. But not
everybody is and they should say wold they're selling.
That's all.

pierrep...@gmail.com

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Feb 19, 2016, 1:54:11 PM2/19/16
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On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 1:22:08 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
Frank, True.
CD replication: the term used for pressed CDs. The usual minimum order count is 1,000
CD duplication: the term used for burned CDs (CDr) For less than 1,000 copies
New replication gear is very, I mean very expensive.

Norman Schwartz

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Feb 19, 2016, 2:05:41 PM2/19/16
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Yes, indeed. When you click on any composition, all of their available
recordings of that work comes up (and most often with samples) and in no
time flat! Can any website beat that (even if it should take a little more
time)?


Gerard

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Feb 19, 2016, 2:37:04 PM2/19/16
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"Frank Berger" wrote in message
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=================================================

That's what they do.

One example: http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4106162

"Medium: Presto CD
Tell me more..."

"Tell me more" tells:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
‘Presto CDs’ are manufactured by Presto Classical under license from the
original record label.

Full booklets and inlays are sourced from digital files supplied by the
label and produce a very high quality finish. Combined with the thermal full
colour printed silver dye CD-R, using audio sourced from the original
factory DDP files, the result is a finished product almost indistinguishable
from the original factory-pressed version.

Presto CDs are playable on all standard CD players.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -






alan....@gmail.com

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Feb 19, 2016, 2:55:42 PM2/19/16
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On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 12:43:02 AM UTC+11, pierrep...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am very impressed with the the Presto Classical website. I highly recommend it and the prices, as well as shipping costs, are quite reasonable. Most offering can be auditioned and if downloading music is your shtick, you can do so by choosing mp3 or FLAC on most recordings. Check out the thorough CD box offerings too as well as informative reviews of new releases. Also, like Archivmusic, Presto has their own Presto CD line of oop CD's on HQ CDr's. A huge list of older oop DG CDs was released a few weeks ago.
> See http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk

I have bought from Presto, MDT and Amazon depending on the situation. Presto charges postage per-item, while MDT is a lower rate but per-disk. Which is better depends on the number of disks in each item as well as on the advertised price (of course, each site has interesting specials from month to month).

I have usually found Amazon second-hand sellers cheaper than the CDrs from Presto or Arkivmusik, for out-of-print items. However, I check all the alternatives for each intended purchase.

Raymond Hall

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Feb 19, 2016, 4:10:31 PM2/19/16
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On Saturday, 20 February 2016 00:43:02 UTC+11, pierrep...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am very impressed with the the Presto Classical website. I highly recommend it and the prices, as well as shipping costs, are quite reasonable. Most offering can be auditioned and if downloading music is your shtick, you can do so by choosing mp3 or FLAC on most recordings. Check out the thorough CD box offerings too as well as informative reviews of new releases. Also, like Archivmusic, Presto has their own Presto CD line of oop CD's on HQ CDr's. A huge list of older oop DG CDs was released a few weeks ago.
> See http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk

Presto and MDT are both OK, in their different ways, but I normally always find Amazon.uk cheaper, and even more so if you click on the used-new link, where dodax-online-uk is often 2/3 cheaper than the Amazon, and I have the article just as promptly delivered to Australia (usually 14 days). Same process for books. There are many other suppliers as good as dodax-online-uk also.

Ray Hall, Taree

Mort

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Feb 19, 2016, 4:37:37 PM2/19/16
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Sometimes Amazon.de is cheapest when shipping costs to the USA are
factored in. In addition, they often have European releases sooner than
the U.K. stores. MDT is great for service.

Mort Linder

Mort

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Feb 19, 2016, 4:43:26 PM2/19/16
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Many CD-Rs have a limited life,as their dye fades. I use Japanese Victor
cyan-backed dye discs, which are supposedly fade-resistant for 100
years. When I get a CD-R with a colorless back, I make a copy to my good
cyan-backed CD-Rs. Ironically, the best cyan-backed CD-Rs, in spindle
packs of 100, cost only about U.S. 65 dollar cents each, which is quite
cheap.

Mort Linder

Andrew Clarke

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Feb 19, 2016, 9:43:22 PM2/19/16
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On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 12:43:02 AM UTC+11, pierrep...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am very impressed with the the Presto Classical website. I highly recommend it and the prices, as well as shipping costs, are quite reasonable. Most offering can be auditioned and if downloading music is your shtick, you can do so by choosing mp3 or FLAC on most recordings. Check out the thorough CD box offerings too as well as informative reviews of new releases. Also, like Archivmusic, Presto has their own Presto CD line of oop CD's on HQ CDr's. A huge list of older oop DG CDs was released a few weeks ago.
> See http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk

For downloads, Presto is terrific. So is their customer service. A couple of days ago I accidentally ordered the same album twice, and wrote to them re a refund. I got a friendly reply the next morning, complete with refund for the duplicate.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

Gerard

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Feb 20, 2016, 5:34:46 AM2/20/16
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"Raymond Hall" wrote in message
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Presto and MDT are both OK, in their different ways, but I normally always
find Amazon.uk cheaper, and even more so if you click on the used-new link,
where dodax-online-uk is often 2/3 cheaper than the Amazon, and I have the
article just as promptly delivered to Australia (usually 14 days). Same
process for books. There are many other suppliers as good as dodax-online-uk
also.

======================

Dodax is cheap indeed. Can you be more specific about other suppliers who
are as good as dodax?

Do you have experience with dodax when a problem occurs?

There's also a dodax.nl website, but the company is in Switzerland. If
there's a problem with a disc, the disc has to been sent to Switzerland.
The ".nl" is more or less fake; the language of this site is Dutch, but not
all pages; some are in German.
They don't accept/have the kind of online payments that are usual in the
Netherlands (only Paypal is possible).
I have sent them once an e-mail with a few questions; they did not reply at
all.




Raymond Hall

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Feb 20, 2016, 2:20:46 PM2/20/16
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On Saturday, 20 February 2016 21:34:46 UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
> "Raymond Hall" wrote in message
>
> Presto and MDT are both OK, in their different ways, but I normally always
> find Amazon.uk cheaper, and even more so if you click on the used-new link,
> where dodax-online-uk is often 2/3 cheaper than the Amazon, and I have the
> article just as promptly delivered to Australia (usually 14 days). Same
> process for books. There are many other suppliers as good as dodax-online-uk
> also.
>
> ======================
>
> Dodax is cheap indeed. Can you be more specific about other suppliers who
> are as good as dodax?
>
> Do you have experience with dodax when a problem occurs?

I've never had a problem with dodax. Zoverstocks is very good too, and I have never had a problem with them either. I only buy new, but the price is often 2/3 that of the Amazon price. When I see dodax I click automatically. Other suppliers are :-

all your music - I got my Serebrier Glazunov box from them
jukeboxusa - I received a Verdi overtures CD from them

For books I use Wordery, Book Depository, UKPaperbackshop.

But mostly I never pay the Amazon price if the above have got it cheaper, often a fair bit cheaper.

Ray Hall, Taree

Dana John Hill

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Feb 20, 2016, 2:33:30 PM2/20/16
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A few weeks ago I pulled out a (Japanese-made Taiyo Yuden, with a back
still as cyan as can be) CD-R of a performance I recorded of some
visiting musicians almost exactly ten years ago. The first ten or twelve
minutes of the disc played flawlessly. Then the fluttering began, and
all but the softest passages throughout the rest of the disc were
completely unsalvageable. So I pulled out another CD-R of the same make
that was burned only a month or so after the first one. Same problem. I
was disappointed because I had no other copies.

I now have little faith in the longevity of recordable media.

I appreciate that services like Presto and Archivmusic exist for those
who need an OOP recording right away, but I prefer to wait and find an
original replicated compact disc.

Dana

Frank Berger

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Feb 20, 2016, 7:58:39 PM2/20/16
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Sorry, but I have to ask. Are you sure these were properly
recorded in the first place? You did listen to them at some
point *after* they were recorded?


Gerard

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Feb 21, 2016, 5:44:06 AM2/21/16
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"Raymond Hall" wrote in message
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=================

Thanks.

I tried to find all your music, and found something about radio stations:
https://allyourmusic.net/en_us
(and a lot of complaints about all your music)

and the not working URL: http://www.allyourmusic.nl/
Maybe you have a better link?

The site http://www.jukeboxusa.com/ does not look like an easy online
supplier of classical recordings.
Is this the wrong site?




Steve de Mena

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Feb 21, 2016, 6:27:15 AM2/21/16
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I rip everything lossless to hard drives (with multiple backups) so
this isn't an issue for me.

With labels like Lyrita and others using CD-Rs I think you'll find
this happening more and more, with no advance warning.

Steve

Steve de Mena

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Feb 21, 2016, 6:29:00 AM2/21/16
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I would imagine Amazon stocks more titles of a work than Presto.

Steve

Raymond Hall

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Feb 21, 2016, 7:23:52 AM2/21/16
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On Sunday, 21 February 2016 21:44:06 UTC+11, Gerard wrote:
> "Raymond Hall" wrote in message
> >
> > Dodax is cheap indeed. Can you be more specific about other suppliers who
> > are as good as dodax?
> >
> > Do you have experience with dodax when a problem occurs?
>
> I've never had a problem with dodax. Zoverstocks is very good too, and I
> have never had a problem with them either. I only buy new, but the price
> Thanks.
>
> I tried to find all your music,

I just use the link that Amazon supplies. But normally, dodax or zoverstocks have the item.

> The site http://www.jukeboxusa.com/ does not look like an easy online
> supplier of classical recordings.
> Is this the wrong site?

Again, I just used the link that Amazon.uk supplies, and it was for the odd item I couldn't get elsewhere.

I generally am not bothered if there are something like > 300,000 customers and the rating is close to 98%. I've had not one problem so far, with either CDs or books, and ultimately even if there was a problem, and the supplier got funny, then I would just complain to Amazon. But so far no need, as everything has been fine.

I've just received the Wagner's Ring book by Stewart Spencer, and am waiting for Janowski's Ring on CD. I have Furtwangler's 1950 box but I don't do sound which is not up to a certain standard. Maybe for the car.

After this Janowski Ring arrives I am calling a hiatus on orders, purely to catch up with unlistened to stuff of which there is heaps, and including stuff by Xenakis, Boulez, Birtwistle, Stockhausen, Rihm, Glazunov, Miaskovsky, and Petrenko's DSCH cycle, Boulez' Varese with CSO, Debussy with Cleveland, to name but just a few.

Ray Hall, Taree

Dana John Hill

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Feb 22, 2016, 2:01:18 PM2/22/16
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On 2/20/2016 7:58 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
>
> Sorry, but I have to ask. Are you sure these were properly
> recorded in the first place? You did listen to them at some
> point *after* they were recorded?
>
>

I don't know if they were recorded in the BEST way possible (since I'll
confess I don't know everything there is to know about recordable media
and its associated software), but I know I played these recordings all
the way through more than once. It just hasn't been in a few years. For
what it's worth, the discs were stored in the cases they originally came in.

Dana

Frank Berger

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Feb 22, 2016, 2:09:34 PM2/22/16
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And not in the trunk of your car or at the bottom of a lake?
Just kidding. It's just that every time the subject of
CD-Rs crapping out comes up, I go back and sample some of
mine (both commercially bought and recorded myself on
decidedly mediocre equipment and not fancy CD-Rs) and I've yet
to find one defective. I have no explanation for it.

Dana John Hill

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Feb 22, 2016, 2:43:42 PM2/22/16
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On 2/21/2016 7:23 AM, Raymond Hall wrote:
> After this Janowski Ring arrives I am calling a hiatus on orders,


I hope you got the deluxe version that came out a few years ago with
each opera in its own box (with texts/translations!) inside a larger
box. It's one of the supreme bargains out there, even if it's not the
most perfect Ring performance imaginable.

Dana

Al Eisner

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Feb 22, 2016, 4:38:12 PM2/22/16
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On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, rlbfour wrote:

> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 8:43:02 AM UTC-5, pierrep...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I am very impressed with the the Presto Classical website. I highly recommend it and the prices, as well as shipping costs, are quite reasonable. Most offering can be auditioned and if downloading music is your shtick, you can do so by choosing mp3 or FLAC on most recordings. Check out the thorough CD box offerings too as well as informative reviews of new releases. Also, like Archivmusic, Presto has their own Presto CD line of oop CD's on HQ CDr's. A huge list of older oop DG CDs was released a few weeks ago.
>> See http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk
>
> Depending on where one lives,I have found in the USA the I can get cds
> thru Amazon, at much lower costs than Presto.

Only for certain labels, not the majority of them (unless you are buying
used CDs on Amazon Marketplace). In most cases, MDT and/or Presto
are cheaper than new CDs at Amazon here in the US; also, both often
have sales on rotating subsets of labels. (MDT's higher shipping costs
to the US for large box sets can be a factor, however.)

I use all three, with MDT most frequent.
--
Al Eisner

Raymond Hall

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Feb 22, 2016, 6:09:30 PM2/22/16
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It arrived yesterday, the box with just the 14 CDs. But I also ordered and received Stewart Spencer's book several days ago. It has all the texts, in German and English. The box cost me $14 Aus from Amazon.uk/dodax.

I had thought about Boehm's at one stage, but that might well be a future order.

Ray Hall, Taree

Dana John Hill

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Feb 22, 2016, 6:26:12 PM2/22/16
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I am a bit jealous of your good fortune. I have recorded media that are
a dozen years old that appear to work well (mostly CD-R and DVD-R discs
of vacation/holiday/wedding/life photos that I backed up). I also have
some discs of same that have 75% good data, but 25% corrupted files.
These discs may not be stored properly I suppose: I have sometimes just
stacked my CD-Rs back on the spindles they came on. But my defective
audio CD-Rs were stored in jewel cases on a shelf in my air-conditioned
office with a north-facing window and low humidity.

It's possible that my now-defective discs were part of a bad batch. It's
possible that my computer that burned them did a shoddy job of rendering
them playable over a long period of time. It's also possible I just had
bad luck here. The good news is that I have long since stopped relying
on recordable CDs/DVDs for long-term storage. I have my family photos
stored in the cloud and on disk drives. I don't have many CD-Rs of music.

Dana

Frank Berger

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Feb 22, 2016, 7:43:05 PM2/22/16
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I think the upshot is that conclusions about the longevity
of CD-Rs needs to based on research and a lot of data, as our
differing experiences attest.

Willem Orange

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Feb 23, 2016, 6:43:01 AM2/23/16
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You're better off if you just think about the Bohm - not as good as you might think mainly due to Bohm himself

Mark Zimmer

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Feb 23, 2016, 11:48:36 AM2/23/16
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Yeah, I've found that you can save a lot by visiting all of the different Amazons for anything expensive you're looking to purchase. For instance, the Leslie Howard Complete Liszt Piano Music box on the Amazon.de site shipped to the USA is less than half the price of the Amazon US version, once you take out the VAT. ($171 vs $351).

Mark

Dana John Hill

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Feb 23, 2016, 1:49:19 PM2/23/16
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On 2/22/2016 7:42 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
>
> I think the upshot is that conclusions about the longevity
> of CD-Rs needs to based on research and a lot of data, as our
> differing experiences attest.

Indeed. I am an historian by training, not a scientist, so I am not
qualified to intellectually plot technical studies of any kind, but I
can see a host of challenges facing anyone who would attempt to test the
longevity of CD-Rs. For example, how would one draw reliable conclusions
given the diversity of media, burning equipment, storage conditions
(paper sleeves vs. jewel cases), and so on.

Dana

Frank Berger

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Feb 23, 2016, 2:15:14 PM2/23/16
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I think such an analysis would be straightforward
theoretically, given enough of and the right kind of
information. Whether any such study has been or will ever
be done is doubtful. I think most of the anecdotal
information available is useless. It's easy to find
authoritative statements about CD-R longevity, brand
variablity and the like, but everybody seems to say
something different.

I took my phone in to have the battery replaced and the
technician blamed the battery's failure on my having used a
third party charger after my OEM HTC charger failed. Sounded
reasonable; he must know what he's talking about, right? So
I googled the subject later and found *no one* who agreed
with that.

O

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Feb 23, 2016, 2:40:57 PM2/23/16
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In article <EcKdnXckZPkjMlHL...@supernews.com>, Frank
In defense of your phone technician, it's quite possible your third
party charger simply overcharged your battery. While your phone isn't
an Apple, there's an interesting comparison between cheap third party
chargers and official Apple ones (yes, even especially those little
tiny cubes!)

https://youtu.be/_exfmbsPqEI

-Owen

PIerre Paquin

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Feb 27, 2016, 2:55:20 PM2/27/16
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Frank: You have hit the nail on the head. The misinformation about CDrs is boundless, bottomless, many being spontaneous creations of deeply disturbed, psychotic minds, you know those wide-eyed, deep fringed, OCD caged, audio types.

As for my own experience, I began burning CDrs when they first came out in the 90's at $15.00 each at first then dropped to half that price. Those 30+ year old CDrs still play very well and they all have (God forbid!!!!!) those sticky paper labels. All more recent ones do too.
If anyone out there (other than Frank) has problems with burning CDrs, will you please, I mean please buy a new CD/DVD drive and spend more that 20 bucks on it, like 100 or more? (Stop being a cheap ass!;))

When I get those very rare returns, I check them on a cheap, 1997 RCA (China) 60 buck boombox.* Guess what? They play!

"What CD player are you using?" One customer answered with this: "I have a Magnavox CD deck I bought in 1986. (pre CDr by nearly 8 years). It still plays good." Now! That's being cheap, I mean, real cheap!

* on which our previous cat, Ringo, ralfed if not shit several times when he was not all that well, esp when he was in his 17th and last year

Dennman6

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Feb 27, 2016, 6:06:56 PM2/27/16
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> Frank: You have hit the nail on the head. The misinformation about CDrs is boundless, bottomless, many being spontaneous creations of deeply disturbed, psychotic minds, you know those wide-eyed, deep fringed, OCD caged, audio types.
>
> As for my own experience, I began burning CDrs when they first came out in the 90's at $15.00 each at first then dropped to half that price. Those 30+ year old CDrs still play very well and they all have (God forbid!!!!!) those sticky paper labels. All more recent ones do too.
> If anyone out there (other than Frank) has problems with burning CDrs, will you please, I mean please buy a new CD/DVD drive and spend more that 20 bucks on it, like 100 or more? (Stop being a cheap ass!;))
>
> When I get those very rare returns, I check them on a cheap, 1997 RCA (China) 60 buck boombox.* Guess what? They play!
>
> "What CD player are you using?" One customer answered with this: "I have a Magnavox CD deck I bought in 1986. (pre CDr by nearly 8 years). It still plays good." Now! That's being cheap, I mean, real cheap!

And I will offer the following observations. I have a love of Gilbert & Sullivan, as well as vintage "vaudeville era" recordings. In the past ten years I have purchased a great many CD-R issues of Gilbert & Sullivan, Alma Gluck, and various other vintage performances from James Lockwood's 78s2CDs. All of them have developed readability issues towards the ends of the CD-R. I have also purchased all of the Edison cylinder recordings offered on CD-R by Glenn Sage's Tinfoil.com. Same issues. Also problematic were all of the CD-Rs issued by Chris Clawson's Meloware,com-and he used the blue-backed TDK CD-Rs. I am a OTR lover as well and bought many CD-R sets from First Generation Radio Archives, who now call themselves Radio Archives.com. Then there were the wonderful CD-Rs issued by the late Darrell Baker of Sir Harry Lauder's WW2 broadcasts (late in Lauder's career, who came out of retirement to do them)as well as issues devoted to Bert Williams, George M. Cohan, and Al Jolson. All of Baker's Vaudeville Variety Archive CD-Rs are kaput! One can get the Bert Williams material via Arecheophone.com (and I have), but I lament the loss of the other CD-Rs, as Baker sure ain't gonna issue them any more. All of those CD-Rs have become at least partially unreadable. In the First Generation Radio Archives case they always used the cheapest, crappiest CD-R blanks they could get. Very few were the better known "good" brands. If you held them up to the light you could easily see under the stick-on labels brand logos such as Circuit City, Office Max-bottom of the barrel CD-Rs even when new. Incidently, the Radio Archives site doesn't even provide an e-mail address to make ANY kind of inquiries, let alone questions about their former products. The old radio shows they sell now look like pressed CDs, but nowhere can that be verified on the site-and no way to ask the question.

The problem with all of these "cottage industry" vendors was not shoddy work by the vendors themselves. Indeed, the Meloware, 78s2CD, First Generation transfers were excellent of their type. It turns out the culprit was the high speed burning of these transfers in computer drives, coupled with the use of cheap CD-R blanks. I don't think anyone realized those possible outcomes 10-15 years ago, so the producers of these esoteric items can't really be faulted. I remember reading David Ranada's review of the first consumer priced Philips audio CDR-870 CD recorder in the January 1998 issue of Stereo Review (which I still have-I've kept my copies of Stereo Review and High Fidelity going back to early 1981). In that review Ranada was practically ecstatic about all the possibilities of this "economical" $800 CD recorder. Compared to the Pioneer PDR-99 (at close to $2,000 then) the Philips could do more. In November 2000 I purchased a Pioneer PDR-739W CD recorder for $450+tax that still burns well today. I added a Sony RCD-W500C in 2005, and have been merrily burning my own CD-R transfers at 1X-2X-4X burning speeds ever since. I plan to buy the latest Tascam CD recorder very soon. All of my CD-Rs remain playable today, and the first few spindled CD-Rs I ever used were Memorex branded, supposedly an "entry level" disc. Yet even they still play. Once in a long while a Sony or Maxell branded disc would fail to finalise, but that was a bad batch issue and not a burning issue. Today I still use Maxell audio CD-Rs for dubs of transfers I master on Mitsui blanks. The key is that the top burning speed of the Sony is 4X, not 40X. I believe if one goes into your computer burning software or program and reduces the burning speed the issue would be minimized or eliminated. I still like to order from small vendors who issue on CD-Rs, but now I burn a back-up copy as soon as I get it :)

Dennman6

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Feb 27, 2016, 6:23:59 PM2/27/16
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On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 8:43:02 AM UTC-5, PIerre Paquin wrote:
> I am very impressed with the the Presto Classical website. I highly recommend it and the prices, as well as shipping costs, are quite reasonable. Most offering can be auditioned and if downloading music is your shtick, you can do so by choosing mp3 or FLAC on most recordings. Check out the thorough CD box offerings too as well as informative reviews of new releases. Also, like Archivmusic, Presto has their own Presto CD line of oop CD's on HQ CDr's. A huge list of older oop DG CDs was released a few weeks ago.
> See http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk

PIerre Paquin

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Thanks you for the above history. Reminds me of the time when I used (and still own) the Marantz CDR610MKII CD Recorder. It was not inexpensive back in the mid 90's. Only one duplication speed: real time. I still recall opening up this unit, taking off the bottom cover to just peek inside. It was a jaw dropping experience.
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