Bach discovery (?)
Paul Kintzele
It seems that some new music of J. S. Bach has been discovered;
apparently the manuscripts were part of C. P. E. Bach's estate and were
moved out of Berlin during the war, ending up in a Ukrainian archive.
However, the article doesn't say anything about the compositions
themselves:
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9908/04/BC-ARTS-RediscoveredBach.ap/index.html
Paul
Johan van Veen
Paul Kintzele wrote:
Is it a coincidence that 'Bach-discoveries' always seem to take place, when a
Bach-year is in sight? Didn't it happen 15 years ago as well?
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Johan van Veen writes :
> Is it a coincidence that 'Bach-discoveries' always seem to take place,
> when a Bach-year is in sight? Didn't it happen 15 years ago as well?
Well, it might be simply a coincidence, but what sounds very interes-
ting to me is that this discovery might include a lot of _lost_ works
by C.P.E. and his brothers as well (like J.C.F for instance). What
about some of CPE's 21 passions ? Or some of JCF's symphonies ?
Too bad they do not say what was found there.
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Johan van Veen
pla...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Johan van Veen writes :
> > Is it a coincidence that 'Bach-discoveries' always seem to take place,
> > when a Bach-year is in sight? Didn't it happen 15 years ago as well?
>
> Well, it might be simply a coincidence, but what sounds very interes-
> ting to me is that this discovery might include a lot of _lost_ works
> by C.P.E. and his brothers as well (like J.C.F for instance). What
> about some of CPE's 21 passions ? Or some of JCF's symphonies ?
>
> Too bad they do not say what was found there.
I agree. It would be great. I am hoping some of JSB's lost cantatas are
there, or maybe even his lost Passions. I very much hope to hear more about
it!
Thomas J. Wood
Paul Kintzele wrote:
> It seems that some new music of J. S. Bach has been discovered;
> apparently the manuscripts were part of C. P. E. Bach's estate and were
> moved out of Berlin during the war, ending up in a Ukrainian archive.
>
> However, the article doesn't say anything about the compositions
> themselves:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9908/04/BC-ARTS-RediscoveredBach.ap/index.html
>
I was particularly happy to see that the Bach scholar Christoph Wolff was
responsible for the discovery. That augurs well for a thorough and responsible
inventory and analysis. I'm eager to hear what's included in the hord.
Now if we could only find all the manuscripts Freddie Bach lost, and the
Thomaskirche sold as scrap paper for wrapping fish....
--
Tom Wood
Andrys D Basten
Paul Kintzele <kint...@english.upenn.edu> wrote:
>
>It seems that some new music of J. S. Bach has been discovered;
>apparently the manuscripts were part of C. P. E. Bach's estate and were
>moved out of Berlin during the war, ending up in a Ukrainian archive.
>
>However, the article doesn't say anything about the compositions
>themselves:
Paul, this posting from Harvard gives some pretty good info.
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Date sent: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:00:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Varda <vuno...@netcom.com>
| From: Robert De Lossa <rdel...@fas.harvard.edu>
|
| The recent AP release overlooks the fact that it was the
| work of Drs. Grimsted and Boriak that actually located the
| archive and negotiated access to it. Here's the fuller story:
|
| =====================================================
|
| BACH MUSICAL ESTATE SURFACES IN UKRAINE
|
| The long lost musical estate of Johann Sebastian Bach's
| second son, Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach, has been rediscovered in
| Kyiv, Ukraine, where it is preserved as part of the music
| archive of the Berlin Sing-Akademie. The Sing-Akademie's
| archive, with one of the world's most important collections of
| 18th-century music including significant and largely unique
| Bach family materials, had been evacuated from Berlin to
| Ullersdorf Castle, Silesia (now Polish, Oldrzychowice
| Klodzkie), in 1943 during World War II, but then disappeared.
| With no information available about its postwar fate, it has
| been missing for over half a century and long feared destroyed.
|
|
| Christoph Wolff, professor of music at Harvard University and
| dean of its Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, whose new
| biography of J. S. Bach will appear early next year at W. W.
| Norton, has been following several leads to the whereabouts of
| the material for more than two decades in connection with
| research on the musical sources of the Bach family. Dr.
| Patricia Kennedy Grimsted, an associate of the Ukrainian
| Research Institute at Harvard University, who directs a project
| on Russian and Ukrainian archives, has been searching in
| Ukraine in connection with her book now in press at Harvard,
| Trophies of War and Empire. The close collaboration between
| Professor Wolff and Dr. Grimsted at Harvard University,
| together with Professor Hennadii Boriak, Deputy Director of the
| Institute of Ukrainian Archaeography and Source Studies of the
| Ukrainian Academy of Sciences, led to the recent discovery.
| Earlier last month Professor Wolff, Dr. Grimsted, and Barbara
| Wolff, music cataloger of Harvard's Houghton Library identified
| and examined the Sing-Akademie collection in the Central State
| Archive-Museum of Literature and Art of Ukraine in Kyiv. The
| Berlin Sing-Akademie, founded in 1791 by Carl Friedrich Fasch
| (a colleague and friend of the younger Bach) and directed from
| 1800 to 1832 by Carl Friedrich Zelter, presented a celebrated
| performance of Bach's St. Matthew Passion in 1829 under the
| direction of Zelter's pupil, the young Felix Mendelssohn. Its
| music archive contains well over 5,000 items (mostly
| manuscripts) that have been preserved in excellent conditions.
| Even before its wartime disappearance, as a private collection
| without a professional archivist, the materials were largely
| inaccessible to scholars, and its only provisionally catalogued
| holdings have never been systematically studied.
|
| The estate of C. P. E. Bach (1714-1788) which forms a central
| portion of the Sing-Akademie archive includes music by his
| father and brothers, a collection of works by his father's
| ancestors called "Old Bach Archive" (many in copies from J. S.
| Bach's hand) and, most important, the bulk of his own
| compositions in autograph or authorized copies, among them 20
| Passions, 50 keyboard concertos, and many other vocal and
| instrumental works. Most of the compositions, including all
| the Passions, more than two thirds of the keyboard concertos,
| many chamber works, and songs are unpublished and have never
| been available for performance or study. Led by a team of
| scholars at Harvard University and the Bach Archive in Leipzig,
| Germany, The Collected Works of C. P. E. Bach are currently
| being edited under the auspices of the Packard Humanities
| Institute, with Christopher Hogwood as chair of the editorial
| board. In addition to important 17th- and 18th-century
| manuscripts, the Sing-Akademie Library also contains
| substantial holdings (in part stemming from the Bach estate) of
| works by Georg Philipp Telemann (220-plus cantatas), Carl
| Heinrich and Johann Gottlieb Graun (more than 150 vocal and
| 420-plus instrumental sources), Johann Adolf Hasse (ca. 130
| vocal and 80 instrumental sources), Franz and Georg Benda (ca.
| 120 works), and compositions by many musicians from 18th- and
| early 19th-century Berlin, most of them associated with the
| Prussian court. Goethe's letters to Zelter, from the famous
| Goethe-Zelter correspondence, also form part of the archive.
|
| Trophy art, library books, and archives from Western Europe
| transferred to the former USSR after World War II were for the
| most part kept in hiding throughout the Soviet period. But
| since its independence, Ukraine has led former Soviet republics
| in restitution efforts and signed a cultural agreement with
| Germany providing for the mutual return of wartime cultural
| trophies. A number of symbolic acts of restitution have taken
| place in recent years, including the 1996 return to the Dresden
| Art Gallery of valuable albums of drawings and lithographs
| found in Kyiv and the return of three drawings to the Bremen
| Kunsthalle from private sources in 1997. Ukraine has
| simultaneously received from the Germany some important
| cultural treasures that had been seized by the Nazis during the
| war.
|
| The over 5,000 music scores from the Sing-Akademie Library in
| Berlin identified this summer in Kyiv undoubtedly represent the
| most valuable trophy collection to have surfaced in Ukraine.
| The Main Archival Administration of Ukraine and the Central
| State Archive-Museum of Literature and Art are closely
| cooperating with the Harvard specialists and agreed to planning
| a collaborative project with Harvard University and the Packard
| Humanities Institute to make these uniquely important materials
| available for research and performance. A catalogue of the
| Bachiana in the Sing-Akademie Archive is projected as part of
| the Bach Repertorium series, a research project on the music of
| the Bach family jointly undertaken by the Harvard Music
| Department and the Leipzig Bach Archive.
|
| It is hoped that the Academy of Music in Kyiv will be able to
| participate. The project will also be closely coordinated with
| the Sing-Akademie of Berlin, one of Germany's oldest continuing
| performing organizations, and there is hope that the priceless
| musical sources will eventually be returned to their original
| home.
|
| ____________________________________________________
| Robert De Lossa
| Director of Publications
| Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
| 1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
| 617-496-8768; fax 617-495-8097
| reply to: rdel...@fas.harvard.edu
| http://www.sabre.org/huri/
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Johan van Veen <jvv...@casema.net> wrote:
>
>
> Paul Kintzele wrote:
>
> > It seems that some new music of J. S. Bach has been discovered;
> > apparently the manuscripts were part of C. P. E. Bach's estate and
were
> > moved out of Berlin during the war, ending up in a Ukrainian
archive.
> >
> > However, the article doesn't say anything about the compositions
> > themselves:
> >
> >
x.html
> >
> > Paul
>
> Is it a coincidence that 'Bach-discoveries' always seem to take place,
when a
> Bach-year is in sight? Didn't it happen 15 years ago as well?
>
Yes, there were 33 Chorale preludes found just before the birth
tercentnnary.
NPR recorded a concert of these and broadcast it in April 1985.
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Hopefully it will be grist for Naxos's 18th Century Symphony and
Concerto series mill when it comes to the other works found there.
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