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O

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May 19, 2013, 10:36:51 PM5/19/13
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<http://www.boston.com/ae/music/2013/05/19/conductor-james-levine-return
s-from-year-absence/9YR3JYhnUpgoHBM9cBwrXN/story.html>

-Owen

Mort

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May 19, 2013, 11:49:35 PM5/19/13
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O wrote:
>
>
> <http://www.boston.com/ae/music/2013/05/19/conductor-james-levine-return
> s-from-year-absence/9YR3JYhnUpgoHBM9cBwrXN/story.html>
>
> -Owen
>


Hi Owen,

1) Your link does not work,as the on-screen notice says that the page
does not exist. May we please have a functioning link? Thanks.

2) It was broadcast live by Sirius radio, which I do not have.

3) I was there,and it was a very emotional afternoon,as well as
excellent music and performances.Mr.Kissin got very nice applause,and
Mr. Levine got repeated thunderous applause. It was a musical love fest.

Mort Linder

Oscar

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May 19, 2013, 11:53:51 PM5/19/13
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On May 19, 8:49 pm, Mort wrote:
>
> Your link does not work, as the on-screen notice says that the page
> does not exist. May we please have a functioning link? Thanks.

Link repaired: http://tiny.cc/3e6cxw

Frank Berger

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May 20, 2013, 12:16:46 AM5/20/13
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Link worked for me.

Steve de Mena

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May 20, 2013, 1:49:30 AM5/20/13
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On 5/19/13 8:49 PM, Mort wrote:
> O wrote:
>>
>>
>> <http://www.boston.com/ae/music/2013/05/19/conductor-james-levine-return
>>
>> s-from-year-absence/9YR3JYhnUpgoHBM9cBwrXN/story.html>
>>
>> -Owen
>>
>
>
> Hi Owen,
>
> 1) Your link does not work,as the on-screen notice says that the page
> does not exist. May we please have a functioning link? Thanks.

By now you should have figured out how to cut and paste 2 lines of a
link into one...

Steve

Mort

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May 20, 2013, 11:47:03 AM5/20/13
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Hi Oscar,

Thanks a lot for the correct link. I wonder why they cannot spell KISSIN
in Boston, in the midst of all those colleges.

Mort Linder

Mort

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May 20, 2013, 11:48:39 AM5/20/13
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Thanks for the sarcasm; you are good at that. When a link does not
work in my computer, cutting and pasting will not fix it.

Mort

Steve de Mena

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May 20, 2013, 12:40:52 PM5/20/13
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Sure it will. Pilot error.

Steve

Mort

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May 20, 2013, 5:49:25 PM5/20/13
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Dear Steve,

I have two replies for you, which probably will not influence your
behavior at all.

1) My degrees include Bachelor of Arts and M.D., I speak 5 languages, I
am an expert photographer, I am an expert music recordist, I published
13 articles in medical journals on important research , I am an expert
in jazz and swing of the swing era, and I know a good deal about
recorded classical music.At age 84 I think that I deserve for you to cut
me some slack when I ask for help.

2) You are a narcissistic jackass.

Mort Linder

John Wiser

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May 20, 2013, 7:23:59 PM5/20/13
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"Mort" <mo...@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:519a9a6a$0$25645$607e...@cv.net...
You shoukd cut Steve a break, Mort!
He lives downwind of Matthew B. Tepper.

jdw

Herman

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May 21, 2013, 3:11:48 AM5/21/13
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In the same weekend te NY Times ran a piece on Andris Nelsons' appointment in Boston, and several other youngish conductors in the US.

Not being a Levine afficionado anyway, I'm watching Levine's comings and goings with some apprehension. It's getting closer and closer to a cult, so peculiar to classical music, and not entirely healthy: will X make it, or will he collapse on stage?

It's one reason, I suspect, why classical music does not appeal to a lot of young people.

Oscar

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May 21, 2013, 4:03:44 AM5/21/13
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On May 21, 12:11 am, Herman wrote:
>
> Not being a Levine afficionado anyway, I'm watching Levine's comings
> and goings with some apprehension. It's getting closer and closer to
> a cult, so peculiar to classical music, and not entirely healthy: will
> X make it, or will he collapse on stage?
>
> It's one reason, I suspect, why classical music does not appeal to lot
> of young people.

Obviously, you have never been to a Pogues/Shane MacGowan show
http://tiny.cc/60bfxw or Pete Doherty http://tiny.cc/z3bfxw or Amy
Winehouse http://tiny.cc/facfxw or P-Funk/George Clinton http://tiny.cc/dncfxw
or Motörhead http://tiny.cc/uecfxw or...

Not a phenomenon at all unique to classical music.

Gerard

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May 21, 2013, 5:00:14 AM5/21/13
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Herman <her...@yahoo.com> typed:
Because they are used to see their heroes dying before the age of 40?

Steve de Mena

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May 21, 2013, 5:03:30 AM5/21/13
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Regardless, if I were sitting at your exact computer, without the
degrees (though I am an expert photographer, I did not finish college)
I am sure I could get the link, which you say "does not work" to
easily work. You didn't say you had trouble, needed help, state your
age, or say you couldn't get it to work, you said in a tone of fact:

" 1) Your link does not work,as the on-screen notice says that the
page does not exist. May we please have a functioning link? "

Why didn't you just say "I can't get it to work".

Typically I copy the 1st part of the link into the URL window of the
browses and do not hit enter. Then I copy the 2nd line of the link,
making sure to trim any pre or post spaces or brackets not part of the
URL and then I paste that (Ctrl-V usually) onto the exact end of the
first part of the URL, reconstructing the full link exactly as it
originally was. Next time you run across this try and see if you can
get it working, if not state which browser and Operating system you're
using. Wouldn't you rather learn how to fix these issues than just
have someone send you a short link every time this happens?

Steve

Steve de Mena

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May 21, 2013, 5:06:35 AM5/21/13
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And let's not forget Sly Stone!

I don't think classical artists being indisposed or not has any
relation to classical music appealing to young people or not.....

Steve

Oscar

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May 21, 2013, 5:29:30 AM5/21/13
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On May 21, 2:06 am, Steve de Mena wrote:
>
> > Not a phenomenon at all unique to classical music.
>
> And let's not forget Sly Stone!

Oh yeah!! Hello, duh!! I worked the stage he played, at Coachella
2011. He was so f'd up on crack it was ridiculous http://tiny.cc/q9ffxw
Band did the warm up jam, they waited and waited and stretched it a
little bit longer, waited some more for him to come out, and he
finally did, banging on the keys for a song and a half, mumbling
something or another, then went back to his camper to smoke more crack
and that was it. Gotta love it!

But Sly's 'erratic' performance paled in comparison to the total
inhibited drunken folly of Shane Macgowan solo http://tiny.cc/mmgfxw
the man with the 'quick change' off-stage-left. Except it's not for
costume changes but for him to puke/pee/crap himself in 'privacy'
without having to leave the stage. Just a lovely part of the job,
dealing with that!!

Herman

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May 21, 2013, 5:51:56 AM5/21/13
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Le mardi 21 mai 2013 11:06:35 UTC+2, Steven de Mena a écrit :

>
> I don't think classical artists being indisposed or not has any
>
> relation to classical music appealing to young people or not.....
>
I'm not talking about "being indisposed" as in "not showing up". I'm talking about conductors in wheelchairs, constantly on the brink of collapse.

Rock stars like Winehouse, and, long ago, Jim Morrison et al, were not about increpitude, but about the (ill-judged) heroics of self-destruction.

Oscar

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May 21, 2013, 6:27:30 AM5/21/13
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On May 21, 2:51 am, Herman wrote:
>
> I'm not talking about "being indisposed" as in "not showing up". I'm
> talking about conductors in wheelchairs, constantly on the brink of
> collapse.

Is there a list of top conductors with active schedules currently
working from a wheelchair (or serverely limited in range of motion)??
I would like to see it.

• Brüggen
• Masur

who else?

JohnGavin

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May 21, 2013, 10:30:00 AM5/21/13
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If I follow your logic accurately, young people think overdosing on drugs is cool, but physical decline from aging isn't? And this is a reason why they choose pop and rock over classical?

Yikes Herman - that's pretty scary.

Herman

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May 21, 2013, 1:42:38 PM5/21/13
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:30:00 PM UTC+2, JohnGavin wrote:

>
> If I follow your logic accurately, young people think overdosing on drugs is cool, but physical decline from aging isn't? And this is a reason why they choose pop and rock over classical?
>
>
>
> Yikes Herman - that's pretty scary.

I know.

David Fox

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May 21, 2013, 1:56:32 PM5/21/13
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On 5/21/13 2:29 AM, Oscar wrote:
> On May 21, 2:06 am, Steve de Mena wrote:
>>
>>> Not a phenomenon at all unique to classical music.
>>
>> And let's not forget Sly Stone!
>
> Oh yeah!! Hello, duh!! I worked the stage he played, at Coachella
> 2011. He was so f'd up on crack it was ridiculous http://tiny.cc/q9ffxw
> Band did the warm up jam, they waited and waited and stretched it a
> little bit longer, waited some more for him to come out, and he
> finally did, banging on the keys for a song and a half, mumbling
> something or another, then went back to his camper to smoke more crack
> and that was it. Gotta love it!

I saw Sly in 1982 in Philadelphia. He came on about four hours late but
at the time he exceeded expectations by showing up at all. It was the
first (and last) time I ever saw a performer do a line of coke onstage.
His set was much like what you describe above.

It's amazing that he's survived rampaging addiction for 40+ years. I'm
not sure what kind of existence it is. If he never gets sober (and his
odds at this point are slim) its unclear whether he or his many fallen
colleagues got the better end of the deal.

DF

Frank Berger

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May 21, 2013, 3:54:19 PM5/21/13
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As are many of us here. He's right in this case, though. Funny how the
link worked for me in the first place.

Oscar

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May 21, 2013, 4:30:07 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 10:42 am, Herman wrote:
>
> > If I follow your logic accurately, young people think overdosing on
> > drugs is cool, but physical decline from aging isn't? And this is
> > a reason why they choose pop and rock over classical?
>
> > Yikes Herman - that's pretty scary.
>
> I know.

_What_ do you know?

You weren't at the Henry Fonda Theatre in Hollywood, a couple blocks
west of Hollywood & Vine, on February 17, 2007. I was. If you _were_
there you would have seen a packed house of hipsters, college
students, psychobillies, bohemians, and 9-to-5'ers all gathered to see
an infirm 80 year-old Porter Wagoner in one of his last concerts
http://tiny.cc/e4agxw

From Country Music Television (CMT.com)

<< The place was crammed with 9-to-5ers, college students, bohemians
and one only-in-California guy with Pablo Cruise curls, wearing
sunglasses — in the dark. These are not the kinds of people one would
expect to show a lot of tolerance for a thin man with a silver
pompadour in a purple, rhinestone-encrusted suit.

The 79-year-old Wagoner, dressed in a silver pompadour in a purple,
rhinestone-encrusted suit, underwent emergency surgery last summer for
an aortic aneurysm (the same affliction that killed Conway Twitty),
and had trouble remembering the words on a couple of occasions — even
when he read "Park View" off a music stand — and wavered on some of
his extended notes. But Wagoner's sincerity and authenticity pushed
through the missed notes and the huckster-ish glitter of all those
rhinestones, and he connected rather surprisingly with the crowd on
Hollywood Boulevard. Many in attendance were probably hearing Wagoner
for the first time, but they paid close attention, quiet in the right
spots, laughing at other appropriate ones and showing a huge amount of
respect after each performance. >>

Indie darling Neko Case opened. Dwight Yoakam, Marty Stuart, Billy Bob
Thornton all backed up Wagoner at one point.

But how did a thin, frail man from West Plains, Missouri find such a
tolerant and receptive audience in 21st C. Hollywood?

According to CMT.com, 'in an era when television reality shows are
scripted and new songs are built on 30-year-old samples of other
people's work, there's still a solid core of music fans who simply
want something that's real.'

O

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May 21, 2013, 5:15:12 PM5/21/13
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In article
<d2620663-91cb-441b...@oy9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Oscar <oscaredwar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The 79-year-old Wagoner, dressed in a silver pompadour in a purple,
> rhinestone-encrusted suit, underwent emergency surgery last summer for
> an aortic aneurysm (the same affliction that killed Conway Twitty),
> and had trouble remembering the words on a couple of occasions ‹ even
> when he read "Park View" off a music stand ‹ and wavered on some of
> his extended notes. But Wagoner's sincerity and authenticity pushed
> through the missed notes and the huckster-ish glitter of all those
> rhinestones, and he connected rather surprisingly with the crowd on
> Hollywood Boulevard. Many in attendance were probably hearing Wagoner
> for the first time, but they paid close attention, quiet in the right
> spots, laughing at other appropriate ones and showing a huge amount of
> respect after each performance. >>
>
> Indie darling Neko Case opened. Dwight Yoakam, Marty Stuart, Billy Bob
> Thornton all backed up Wagoner at one point.
>

Say what you will about Country music, and some of it is richly
deserved, but they take care of their own, unlike the cold
competitiveness of classical music, where it's pretty much every man
for himself.

-Owen

John Wiser

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May 21, 2013, 5:47:47 PM5/21/13
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"O" <ow...@denofinequityx.com> wrote in message news:210520131715125817%ow...@denofinequityx.com...
A comment made from a standpoint of invincible ignorance.
That's to put the kindest construction on it.

jdw

Oscar

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May 21, 2013, 5:52:05 PM5/21/13
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On May 21, 2:15 pm, O wrote:
>
> Say what you will about Country music, and some of it is richly
> deserved, but they take care of their own, unlike the cold
> competitiveness of classical music, where it's pretty much every man
> for himself.

Yes, they do. I worked the Stagecoach 2013 festival last month and,
during a long afternoon break on the last day, I had the opportunity
to take in sets back-to-back by Riders in the Sky / Don Williams /
Charlie Pride / Charlie Daniels Band. The Palomino stage/tent was
packed, probably 4000. Mostly very alert, respectful, and non-cell-
phone-picture-taking audience, too. What a thrill to finally see Don
Williams! http://tiny.cc/nregxw

Charlie Daniels, age 76
Charlie Pride, age 75 (former Negro League pitcher)
Don Williams, age 73
Riders in the Sky:
- Douglas B. Green, age 67
- Paul Chrisman, age 64
- Fred LaBour, age 64
- Joey Miskulin, age 64

O

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May 21, 2013, 6:07:59 PM5/21/13
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In article <aYRmt.18990$KM4....@newsfe25.iad>, John Wiser
Really, John, tell us how much you know about country music, and regale
us with anecdotes about classical musicians lending each other helping
hands with their careers.

-Owen, more like a Tinkertoy construction.

Frank Lekens

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May 21, 2013, 7:27:50 PM5/21/13
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On 22-5-2013 0:07, O wrote:
> Really, John, tell us how much you know about country music, and regale
> us with anecdotes about classical musicians lending each other helping
> hands with their careers.

Martha Argerich?

--
Frank Lekens

http://fmlekens.home.xs4all.nl/

laraine

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May 21, 2013, 9:03:16 PM5/21/13
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I use Google Groups, and when I
see a link posted using <...>,
it doesn't work for me in my
environment, though it used to.
In fact, I think it used to be the
recommended way to do it.
And yes, one can do a cut and
paste, but...

if one just posts the link
without any <> around it, that
seems to work just fine now for
me (though it didn't used to).

C.

Herman

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May 21, 2013, 9:43:10 PM5/21/13
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On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:30:07 PM UTC+2, Oscar wrote:


> _What_ do you know?
>
>
>
> You weren't at the Henry Fonda Theatre in Hollywood, a couple blocks
>
> west of Hollywood & Vine, on February 17, 2007. I was.

Which is where I stopped reading.

laraine

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May 21, 2013, 9:56:04 PM5/21/13
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that is longer than the allowed line length,
I should say...

Kip Williams

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May 22, 2013, 8:09:26 AM5/22/13
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Oscar wrote, On 5/21/13 5:52 PM:

> Yes, they do. I worked the Stagecoach 2013 festival last month and,
> during a long afternoon break on the last day, I had the opportunity
> to take in sets back-to-back by Riders in the Sky / Don Williams /
> Charlie Pride / Charlie Daniels Band.

My cousin used to tell us about the Riders when he lived in Nashville,
and I got to see them thirty years ago when the same cousin (then living
in Houston) had to work late. A very enjoyable concert. This was before
they roped Joey into the act.


Kip W

Mort

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May 22, 2013, 10:19:26 AM5/22/13
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Steve de Mena wrote:
> Typically I copy the 1st part of the link into the URL window of the
> browses and do not hit enter. Then I copy the 2nd line of the link,
> making sure to trim any pre or post spaces or brackets not part of the
> URL and then I paste that (Ctrl-V usually) onto the exact end of the
> first part of the URL, reconstructing the full link exactly as it
> originally was. Next time you run across this try and see if you can get
> it working, if not state which browser and Operating system you're
> using. Wouldn't you rather learn how to fix these issues than just have
> someone send you a short link every time this happens?


Hi,

I do know cut and paste,and when I inserted the entire link into my PC,
it still did not work. The fault may lie in my old windows XP software,
but when the complete link did not work, I asked for and got a better
link that did work.

My newer portable PC has Windows 7 Pro, but a small SSD , so I usually
use the older XP PC with a larger hard drive.

Not all of us are programmers and computer experts, any more than most
car drivers are not automotive engineers.

Mort Linder

O

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May 22, 2013, 10:33:26 AM5/22/13
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In article <519cd3ef$0$20232$607e...@cv.net>, Mort <mo...@cloud9.net>
wrote:
The problem is one with the length of the URL, and what client you're
using to read the posting.

The original URL was long enough to get word-wrapped down to a second
line, although it was pasted as a single line. Some clients will do
what's called a hard word-wrap and they will insert either or both of
the following two characters: carriage return (CR) and line feed (LF).

When you click on the URL which has those characters, the browser
thinks those characters mean the end of the URL, so it truncates the
URL at whatever point your client word-wrapped. You might even see
half the url displayed in the address box on your browser.

Some clients, even though they do this, will do the right thing and
construct a valid URL if the URL is surrounded by brackets '<' and '>',
but some older clients don't do this.

The key to handling this is that when a link does not work, check the
address line in your browser and make sure the end of the url is in
there. If it isn't copy the second line of the url (without the
closing '>' bracket) and paste it onto the back end of the front end of
the url that already in there, making sure there are no black
characters between them.

Newer software handles this better than older software, so, depending
on what you use to read your net news will determine what happens.

-Owen

laraine

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May 22, 2013, 6:18:58 PM5/22/13
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On May 21, 2:54 pm, "Frank Berger" <frankdber...@gmail.com> wrote:
I just noticed that these <> links seem to
work with the new Google groups, but not
with the old one.

One improvement there anyway.

C.

Mort

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May 22, 2013, 7:34:16 PM5/22/13
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Hi Owen,

Thank you very much for your civilized and quite helpful reply, which I
really do appreciate. I guess that you can teach an old dog new tricks.

Regards,

Mort

Frank Berger

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May 22, 2013, 8:15:39 PM5/22/13
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I'm going to keep repeating that the original link works for me until
somebofy acknowledges it.

laraine

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May 22, 2013, 10:22:16 PM5/22/13
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On May 22, 7:15 pm, "Frank Berger" <frankdber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mort wrote:
> > O wrote:
> >> In article <519cd3ef$0$20232$607ed...@cv.net>, Mort <m...@cloud9.net>
It works for me too if I use the New Google Groups
and click on it there.
If I use the Old GGs, that doesn't work.

They've presumably corrected the problem in the
New GGs.

C.

Mort

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May 22, 2013, 11:09:02 PM5/22/13
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Frank Berger wrote:
> I'm going to keep repeating that the original link works for me until
> somebofy acknowledges it.


Hi,

That would be great if your computer were in my house. Inasmuch as it is
not, the newer link posted for me worked fine and I am grateful. I am
also grateful to Owen for the very nice explanation.

Regards,

Mort

O

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May 22, 2013, 11:23:43 PM5/22/13
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In article <8aCdnXpjgqIlwgDM...@supernews.com>, Frank
Berger <frankd...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I'm going to keep repeating that the original link works for me until
> somebofy acknowledges it.
>
As I said, some news clients handle it better than other ones do, and
that the newer software tends to work the best.

-Owen

Frank Berger

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May 22, 2013, 11:40:47 PM5/22/13
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I clicked on the link in Windows Mail, which is how I read RMCR. Actually,
I have a new Windows 8 laptop and am trying to find a good free or cheap
newsreader. I tried Thunderbird but it doesn't seem to handle dates
properly, at least as a desktop app in Windows 8.

Frank Berger

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May 22, 2013, 11:41:32 PM5/22/13
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Acknowledged.

Steve de Mena

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May 23, 2013, 6:58:58 AM5/23/13
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It's a shame he can't get his act together to at least put together an
album, though I imagine there's not enough functioning brain cells
left to create anything worthwhile.....

Steve

Steve de Mena

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May 23, 2013, 7:01:11 AM5/23/13
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On 5/21/13 2:51 AM, Herman wrote:
> Le mardi 21 mai 2013 11:06:35 UTC+2, Steven de Mena a écrit :
>
>>
>> I don't think classical artists being indisposed or not has any
>>
>> relation to classical music appealing to young people or not.....
>>
> I'm not talking about "being indisposed" as in "not showing up". I'm talking about conductors in wheelchairs, constantly on the brink of collapse.

The percentage of classical artists in such bad physical shape as
Levine should be so low as to have no effect on classical music
appealing to young people.

Steve

Steve de Mena

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May 23, 2013, 7:03:26 AM5/23/13
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On 5/21/13 3:27 AM, Oscar wrote:
> On May 21, 2:51 am, Herman wrote:
>>
>> I'm not talking about "being indisposed" as in "not showing up". I'm
>> talking about conductors in wheelchairs, constantly on the brink of
>> collapse.
>
> Is there a list of top conductors with active schedules currently
> working from a wheelchair (or serverely limited in range of motion)??
> I would like to see it.
>
> • Brüggen
> • Masur
>
> who else?
>

Not yet, but I can see André Previn being added to the list soon.

Lack of mobility has not hurt Itzhak Perlman's career or popularity
amongst the concert-going public.

Steve

Steve de Mena

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May 23, 2013, 7:07:08 AM5/23/13
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That seems like an odd place to stop reading. Have something against
Hollywood & Vine or the Henry Fonda theatre? (Is that the one that
used to be the Merv Griffin theatre, or is the Pantages now the Henry
Fonda Theatre?)

Steve

Steve de Mena

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May 23, 2013, 7:11:52 AM5/23/13
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I saw your post and I am acknowledging it. For some reason, going back
years, I've never seemed to have had an OS and browser combo that
handled multi-line URLs transparently. Windows, OS X, Safari, IE,
Firefox, Chrome. The only common denominator is Thunderbird as my
news reader.

I do try and use services like bit.ly to create short URLs for my
posts with long links to make them click-friendly for just about everyone.

Steve

Steve de Mena

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May 23, 2013, 7:15:51 AM5/23/13
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On 5/22/13 8:40 PM, Frank Berger wrote:

> I clicked on the link in Windows Mail, which is how I read RMCR.
> Actually, I have a new Windows 8 laptop and am trying to find a good
> free or cheap newsreader. I tried Thunderbird but it doesn't seem to
> handle dates properly, at least as a desktop app in Windows 8.

I've been using Thunderbird for years now. On a Mac but the code
should be the same on Windows or a Mac. What issue(s) do you have with
it regarding dates? I have it display each group with all unread
posts organized by topic (threaded) with older threads at the top and
newest posts at the bottom.

Does your new Windows 8 laptop have a touch screen? (Not relevant to
this discussion, but my girlfriend is going to have to get a laptop
and I was going to recommend a laptop with a touch screen, as I don't
think the new-look part of Windows 8 works very well with a mouse or
touchpad. I think it will be better with a touch screen.

Steve

Herman

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On Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:03:26 PM UTC+2, Steven de Mena wrote:


>
> Lack of mobility has not hurt Itzhak Perlman's career or popularity
>
> amongst the concert-going public.
>
That's absolutey true, though in Perlamn's case it's not a age-related thing.

Steve de Mena

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I didn't think I did that bad explaining the cut and paste procedure I
used for these kind of broken links. :)

Steve

Herman

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May 23, 2013, 7:17:53 AM5/23/13
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On Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:07:08 PM UTC+2, Steven de Mena wrote:
> On 5/21/13 6:43 PM, Herman wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:30:07 PM UTC+2, Oscar wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> _What_ do you know?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> You weren't at the Henry Fonda Theatre in Hollywood, a couple blocks
>
> >>
>
> >> west of Hollywood & Vine, on February 17, 2007. I was.
>
> >
>
> > Which is where I stopped reading.
>
>
>
> That seems like an odd place to stop reading.

Occasionaly one gets a little tired of Oscar's claims of having been where the (or some) action was.

Frank Berger

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May 23, 2013, 9:25:47 AM5/23/13
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On that particular posting, the split link worked for me in Windows Mail, my
usual newsreader. Split posts certainly do not always work, though.
Probably we could figure out why. Maybe it has to do with extraneous
embedded characters.

Frank Berger

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May 23, 2013, 9:39:13 AM5/23/13
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I wanted a new laptop, so my wife and I wouldn't have to fight over the 1
computer we have. She's discovered on-line gaming and I can't seem to pry
the thing away from her. Hopefully a passing fad. I wanted a relatively
inexpensive Windows 7 machine, but they've become scarce, so I decided to
buck the reviews and go for a Windows 8 machine. Having read that it works
better with a touch screen and that's what I got. I got a Dell Inspiron
14rm-7500slv - 14", I5 processor, 750GB drive from Micro Center for $599.
That PC was priced over $100 less there than anywhere else. Don't know why.
Really a chromebook would have probably suited my needs, but I always
over-buy. The whole idea of a touchscreen on a laptop seems a little
perverse to me. On an ipad, fine. One a laptop you've got the keyboard
right there - your hands are comfortably resting on it. Why would you want
to reach for the screen?

I've not done more than play around with it, but do need a newsreader, so I
downloaded Thunderbird. The main problem is that whatever date I sort on
produces results that are simply not sorted correctly by date. Doesn't
matter if I use "date," or "received." Maybe I'll try Windows Live Mail
next. I read about some Agent problems under Windows 8. There are some
not-free products I've seen reviewed. I don't mind paying, if there's no
decent freeware.

O

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May 23, 2013, 10:10:50 AM5/23/13
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In article <e727f81e-8b24-4985...@googlegroups.com>,
Paul Revere and the Raiders - "Action:"

Oh baby, come on, let me take you where the action is
Oh baby, come on, let me take you where the action is
Oh baby, come on, let me take you where the action is
It's so neat to meet you, baby, where the action is


-Owen

Norman Schwartz

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May 23, 2013, 10:52:16 AM5/23/13
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I'm "somebofy" and the original link worked for me too.
I didn't even have to put it a browser's address bar, I simply clicked on
the link, and bingo.


Norman Schwartz

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May 23, 2013, 11:05:13 AM5/23/13
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(I use OE to read NGs in a Windows XP based desktop. I have and tried my
more modern faster Windows 7 desktop with greater memory, etc. but I don't
like it, or Windows Live Mail. (Using my iPad to read usenet is a major PIA,
since IMO both NewTap Lite and NewsTap suck the big one. For reading just a
single NG, I find NewsTap Lite the easier of the two to use.)


Norman Schwartz

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May 23, 2013, 11:12:30 AM5/23/13
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Using the same software in the same computer some links work instantly, yet
others don't so I have to paste them in a browser's address bar to get them
to work. It doesn't depend on the size of the link; sometimes a tinyURL
won't work yet other times one of those nearly page long Amzon product links
work just fine right off the bat.


> -Owen


Herman

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May 23, 2013, 12:13:42 PM5/23/13
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On Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:10:50 PM UTC+2, O wrote:


>
>
> Paul Revere and the Raiders - "Action:"
>
>
>
> Oh baby, come on, let me take you where the action is
>
> Oh baby, come on, let me take you where the action is
>
> Oh baby, come on, let me take you where the action is
>
> It's so neat to meet you, baby, where the action is
>
>
You forgot the part about letting one's backbone slip, which would have been so appropriate in view of the original topic.

O

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May 23, 2013, 12:49:37 PM5/23/13
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In article <676593ac-e781-4980...@googlegroups.com>,
You're right, Herman.

-Owen

Frank Berger

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May 23, 2013, 1:37:35 PM5/23/13
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Moi aussi.

Frank Berger

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May 23, 2013, 1:39:03 PM5/23/13
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I didn't like Windows Live Mail on Vista (it was slow) so I used Windows
Mail. Live Mail seems fine on the new PC. I think it's a newer version
also.

Gerard

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May 23, 2013, 2:07:03 PM5/23/13
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Frank Berger <frankd...@gmail.com> typed:
>
> I didn't like Windows Live Mail on Vista (it was slow) so I used
> Windows Mail. Live Mail seems fine on the new PC. I think it's a
> newer version also.

Which version exactly?

Mort

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May 23, 2013, 4:29:53 PM5/23/13
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Steve de Mena wrote:
> On 5/19/13 8:49 PM, Mort wrote:
>> O wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.boston.com/ae/music/2013/05/19/conductor-james-levine-return
>>>
>>> s-from-year-absence/9YR3JYhnUpgoHBM9cBwrXN/story.html>
>>>
>>> -Owen
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Owen,
>>
>> 1) Your link does not work,as the on-screen notice says that the page
>> does not exist. May we please have a functioning link? Thanks.
>
> By now you should have figured out how to cut and paste 2 lines of a
> link into one...
>
> Steve

Hi All,

Please be advised that Steve de Mena sent me a very nice message,and
that we are on our way toward being friends.

As Joe Green = Giuseppe Verdi wrote, "Pace, Pace, Dio Mio" (Peace,
Peace, My Lord)

All's well that ends well.

Mort Linder

Oscar

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May 23, 2013, 4:39:40 PM5/23/13
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On May 23, 1:29 pm, Mort wrote:
>
> Please be advised that Steve de Mena sent me a very nice message,and
> that we are on our way toward being friends.

Mort, who's your favorite swing drummer: Chick Webb, Buddy Rich, Jo
Jones, or Gene Krupa??

Mort

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May 23, 2013, 5:12:15 PM5/23/13
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Hi,

Chick Web laid down a gentle but clear beat that was amazing when you
consider that he had a severely curved spine from bone TB, and died young.

Jo Jones had a clear propulsive beat that fit well into the band.

Buddy Rich was a great drummer in his youth, e.g. the Artie Shaw hotel
aircheck of Carioca. I once saw him live with the T.D. orchestra circa
1945 in N.Y.C.. He had one arm in a cast, and with the other arm plus
two legs he played outstandingly well. The problem was that he was
aggressive and had a big bad mouth, and it began to show in his playing.
His work with Bunny Berigan's band was good, and the early work with the
Shaw band as well. Later on, I lost interest in his show biz drumming.
(By the way, he started out as a tap dancer.)

I prefer not to name "the best", as they all did good work at various
times, and I was pleased to hear them, as well as e.g. Shelly Manne, Don
Lamond, and others.

You might want to consult with Letterman about the top 10 drummers.

Regards,

Mort

O

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May 23, 2013, 5:16:31 PM5/23/13
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In article <519e7c43$0$20191$607e...@cv.net>, Mort <mo...@cloud9.net>
wrote:
With all the rancor that's routine here, it is nice to hear that
sometimes it doesn't have to last.

-Owen

Mort

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May 23, 2013, 9:16:50 PM5/23/13
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Hi Owen,

Right you are. It is better for it not to begin in the first place.
Sometimes people say unkind things on line that they would never say in
person. I have seen more than one member of music groups just quit due
to all the hassles and hair-splitting arguments about nothing.

Again, let me thank you for your elegant and helpful words about long
links.

Stay well, and good listening.

Regards,

Mort

O

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May 23, 2013, 10:35:08 PM5/23/13
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In article <519ebf84$0$20223$607e...@cv.net>, Mort <mo...@cloud9.net>
wrote:

>
> Again, let me thank you for your elegant and helpful words about long
> links.

You're welcome.
>
> Stay well, and good listening.
>

Best wishes to both you and Steve.

-Owen

Steve de Mena

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May 25, 2013, 5:18:56 AM5/25/13
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Because Windows 8's "Metro" interface (and apps written to that UI) is
optimized for touch versus keyboard/mouse.

>
> I've not done more than play around with it, but do need a
> newsreader, so I downloaded Thunderbird. The main problem is that
> whatever date I sort on produces results that are simply not sorted
> correctly by date. Doesn't matter if I use "date," or "received."
> Maybe I'll try Windows Live Mail next. I read about some Agent
> problems under Windows 8. There are some not-free products I've seen
> reviewed. I don't mind paying, if there's no decent freeware.

I'd ask around in the Thunderbird forums, as I've been reading
newsgroup message ONLY sorted by date for years now with Thunderbird.

I have Date and Thread checked (in columns to show), I don't display
Received.

Under View , Sort by..,... Date, Descending,Threaded (all 3 checked)

Steve

M forever

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May 25, 2013, 12:12:41 PM5/25/13
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On May 20, 11:47 am, Mort <m...@cloud9.net> wrote:
> Oscar wrote:
> > On May 19, 8:49 pm, Mort wrote:
>
> >> Your link does not work, as the on-screen notice says that the page
> >> does not exist. May we please have a functioning link? Thanks.
>
> > Link repaired:http://tiny.cc/3e6cxw
>
> Hi Oscar,
>
> Thanks a lot for the correct link. I wonder why they cannot spell KISSIN
> in Boston, in the midst of all those colleges.

Same reason probably why you have all these great degrees and so much
expertise in so many fields but you can't copy and paste a link on a
PC.

Mort

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May 29, 2013, 10:36:14 AM5/29/13
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I did copy and paste the link, and it still did not work in my computer.
I asked for help, not sarcasm.

Mort Linder
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