Complete Chopin Works for Piano
Simon Roberts
Neil Martinez (npat...@idirect.com) wrote:
: Hello:
: Does anyone know if any artist has recorded the complete Piano works for
: Chopin. If you do, where can I find such a recording and which record
: company it is recorded with.
: Thanks in advance
: e-mail: npat...@geocities.com
: or npat...@idirect.com
: Regards
: Neil http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/3495/index.html
There's a cheap Ashkenazy box on Decca/London which refers to itself as
containing "the piano works." It contains 13 CDs. I don't have
sufficient independent knowledge to know if this in fact amounts to
everything; certainly "the piano works" suggests (grammatically at least)
that it does.
Simon
Francesco Giovannoni
Other complete sets include Biret on Naxos and Magaloff on Philips. The
latter is complete up to some very minor pieces and is most likely out
of print.
Magaloff was a pianist with an excellent reputation in France,
Switzerland and Italy: I personally think he is much better than the
majority of this newsgroup (which never mentions him) seems to think.
Others have discussed about Ashkenazy and the ongoing Ohlsson set.
Francesco
Neil Martinez
an...@anon.org
In general, I don't like "complete recordings" because it's very easy
to have too many pieces played not to one's satisfaction. In other
words, a big and very risky investment, unless you have great
confidence in the performer. That's why I don't own any complete sets
of Chopin even though he's my idol. (But I think I have amassed
every single work, scattered among many CDs)
But if you must, this is my order of preference, based solely on the
performer:
1. Ohlsson
2. Magaloff
3. Ashkenazy
4. Biret
Neither Rubinstein, Arrau nor Horowitz recorded all of Chopin's works.
And avoid Biret like the plague. Magaloff and Ashkenazy are offered
at mid-price, if you're on a budget.
Andrew.
Jason
Ashkenazy, London, 13 cd box set, price approx $100 US. As for a where to
find such a record, I would suggest a record store.
Jason
: Hello:
:
John Edwards
Neil Martinez wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> Does anyone know if any artist has recorded the complete Piano works for
> Chopin. If you do, where can I find such a recording and which record
> company it is recorded with.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> e-mail: npat...@geocities.com
> or npat...@idirect.com
>
> Regards
>
> Neil http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/3495/index.html
It's not quite complete, but I would strongly recommend the 11-disc set
of Artur Rubinstein's Chopin recordings, called _The Chopin Collection_.
It is not for no reason that Rubinstein is often thought of as the
definitive interpreter of Chopin, as these masterful performances
demonstrate.
The set is available on RCA Victor Gold Seal; the catalog no. is
60822-2-RG.
--
John Edwards "Nescit vox missa reversi"
jedw...@iag.net --Horace
http://www.iag.net/~jedwards/
Francesco Giovannoni
Simon Roberts wrote:
>
> Francesco Giovannoni (giov...@ecu.stanford.edu) wrote:
> : Other complete sets include Biret on Naxos and Magaloff on Philips. The
> : latter is complete up to some very minor pieces and is most likely out
> : of print.
>
> : Magaloff was a pianist with an excellent reputation in France,
> : Switzerland and Italy: I personally think he is much better than the
> : majority of this newsgroup (which never mentions him) seems to think.
>
> : Others have discussed about Ashkenazy and the ongoing Ohlsson set.
>
> : Francesco
>
> U.S. I don't think the set has been available since LP days, if then.
> Bits have shown up on CD, but I've only seen the box as a special import
> at Tower in New York; not knowing enough about the performances, and being
> wary of complete sets anyway, I've not bought it.
>
> Simon
I knew about it not being available here, but my complaint was more
focused on the incredible disparity of reputation Magaloff enjoys in
contintental Europe vs the US. You correctly point out the lack of
material as a plausible reason for this but I wonder if in reality it
is not that the US public decided it did not like Magaloff and Philips
consequently never tried to sell him here on CD. Also, I think he did
not come to the US often (if at all), which could explain this, but then
again, so did Richter....
Anyway, at the end of his career, he enjoyed a reputation, in the
countries I mentioned before, comparable to, say, Goode's reputation in
the US (Goode is, on the other hand, almost unknown in continental
Europe).
Francesco
Matthew Shou-Chung Shum
On 15 Aug 1997, Simon Roberts wrote:
> Francesco Giovannoni (giov...@ecu.stanford.edu) wrote:
> : Simon Roberts wrote:
> : >
> : >
> : > One reason why you haven't seen much comment on Magaloff is that in the
> : > U.S. I don't think the set has been available since LP days, if then.
> : > Bits have shown up on CD, but I've only seen the box as a special import
> : > at Tower in New York; not knowing enough about the performances, and being
> : > wary of complete sets anyway, I've not bought it.
> : >
> : > Simon
>
> : I knew about it not being available here, but my complaint was more
> : focused on the incredible disparity of reputation Magaloff enjoys in
> : contintental Europe vs the US. You correctly point out the lack of
> : material as a plausible reason for this but I wonder if in reality it
> : is not that the US public decided it did not like Magaloff and Philips
> : consequently never tried to sell him here on CD. Also, I think he did
> : not come to the US often (if at all), which could explain this, but then
> : again, so did Richter....
>
> : Francesco
I picked up a copy of his CHopin ETudes cheap from a used CD store, but
was not too impressed. Technically he has control of this music, and
on the one hand while blistering technique is not his message (as is the
case for, say, Pollini's set) his is not especially a soulful or
thoughtful approach either...
By the way has the Cziffra set of Chopin etudes ever made it onto CD? I
would be very curious....
Matt
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Simon Roberts
Francesco Giovannoni (giov...@ecu.stanford.edu) wrote:
: Simon Roberts wrote:
: >
: >
: > One reason why you haven't seen much comment on Magaloff is that in the
: > U.S. I don't think the set has been available since LP days, if then.
: > Bits have shown up on CD, but I've only seen the box as a special import
: > at Tower in New York; not knowing enough about the performances, and being
: > wary of complete sets anyway, I've not bought it.
: >
: > Simon
: I knew about it not being available here, but my complaint was more
: focused on the incredible disparity of reputation Magaloff enjoys in
: contintental Europe vs the US. You correctly point out the lack of
: material as a plausible reason for this but I wonder if in reality it
: is not that the US public decided it did not like Magaloff and Philips
: consequently never tried to sell him here on CD. Also, I think he did
: not come to the US often (if at all), which could explain this, but then
: again, so did Richter....
: Anyway, at the end of his career, he enjoyed a reputation, in the
: countries I mentioned before, comparable to, say, Goode's reputation in
: the US (Goode is, on the other hand, almost unknown in continental
: Europe).
: Francesco
I suspect there's somewhat of a vicious cycle here: public doesn't know
him therefore Philips don't import it, therefore public doesn't know him,
and so on. I have a disc of nocturnes which I rather like, but haven't
seen anything else besides the box.
Simon
Halvard Johnson
On 15 Aug 1997, Simon Roberts wrote:
A long, long time ago an LP featuring Magaloff playing the Stravinsky
Concerto for Piano and Winds, and the Capriccio circulated in the US
on the London label (with Ansermet and the OSR, as I recall). Haven't
seen it in years.
Hal
Halvard Johnson <hjoh...@umbc2.umbc.edu>
Michael Glover
Matthew Shou-Chung Shum wrote:
[edit]
> By the way has the Cziffra set of Chopin etudes ever made it onto CD? I
> would be very curious....
>
> Matt
Three quarters turned up on the four-CD Philips set "Cziffra
- Les Annees Philips" (released in France and Japan); for
some inexplicable reason - none of the four discs were close
to being full - Philips chose to omit six Etudes from the
Op.25 set. In the UK, the original Philips LP is readily
available at the usual second hand shops (Harold Moores
etc.).
MG
Francesco Giovannoni
>
> I picked up a copy of his CHopin ETudes cheap from a used CD store, but
> was not too impressed. Technically he has control of this music, and
> on the one hand while blistering technique is not his message (as is the
> case for, say, Pollini's set) his is not especially a soulful or
> thoughtful approach either...
>
I think this is not really where his "Arcadian" approach shines best.
His technique was never up to Pollini's or Ashkenazy's standards, but I
think you would find his Walzes and Mazurkas really different and, for
my money, interesting.
Also, if you are looking for a "Horowitzian" Chopin would be
disappointed: you really have to go beyond the surface with him (I am
not implying that Horowitz is "empty", just that it is more easily
understandable at first).
He was never the pianist for direct emotions but rather someone who
could find hidden thruths in the apparently most literal reading of the
score.
If I were to make a comparison, I would say that he resembles the
elegance of Moisewitch and the hidden sense of tragedy of Lipatti.
> By the way has the Cziffra set of Chopin etudes ever made it onto CD? I
> would be very curious....
>
So would I: I have been looking for this set carefully and I am pretty
sure a CD version is now nowhere to be found. Let's hope for the best!
> Matt
>
Francesco
Simon Roberts
Francesco Giovannoni (giov...@ecu.stanford.edu) wrote:
: Other complete sets include Biret on Naxos and Magaloff on Philips. The
: latter is complete up to some very minor pieces and is most likely out
: of print.
: Magaloff was a pianist with an excellent reputation in France,
: Switzerland and Italy: I personally think he is much better than the
: majority of this newsgroup (which never mentions him) seems to think.
: Others have discussed about Ashkenazy and the ongoing Ohlsson set.
: Francesco
One reason why you haven't seen much comment on Magaloff is that in the
Michael Glover
Francesco Giovannoni wrote:
> > By the way has the Cziffra set of Chopin etudes ever made it onto CD? I
> > would be very curious....
> >
>
> So would I: I have been looking for this set carefully and I am pretty
> sure a CD version is now nowhere to be found. Let's hope for the best!
>
> > Matt
> >
>
> Francesco
Further to my earlier posting, the Fondation Cziffra in
Senlis does still have copies available of the 4-CD Philips
set (which includes 18 of the 24 Etudes); there was talk of
Philips reissuing the complete Etudes on a single CD during
1997, but nothing appears to have come of this.
MG
Simon Roberts
t4.Stanford.EDU>Distribution:
Matthew Shou-Chung Shum (cas...@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: By the way has the Cziffra set of Chopin etudes ever made it onto CD? I
: would be very curious....
: Matt
I would be too, but it's not on the Cziffra discs I have, and I don't
recall seeing it in the N.E. U.S.
Simon
Frank Eggleston
Halvard Johnson wrote:
> On 15 Aug 1997, Simon Roberts wrote:
>
> > Francesco Giovannoni (giov...@ecu.stanford.edu) wrote:
> > : Simon Roberts wrote:
> > : >
> > : >
> > : > One reason why you haven't seen much comment on Magaloff is that
> in the
> > : > U.S. I don't think the set has been available since LP days, if
> then.
> > : > Bits have shown up on CD, but I've only seen the box as a
> special import
> > : > at Tower in New York; not knowing enough about the performances,
> and being
> > : > wary of complete sets anyway, I've not bought it.
> > : >
> > : > Simon
> >
Thanks for mentioning the Stravinsky. It was my introduction to
those two works and was a cherished item in my collection for many
years. I think I still have it, but haven't played it in years. I
always wished that it had made it to CD.
Frank Eggleston
Matthew Shou-Chung Shum
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Michael Glover wrote:
> Francesco Giovannoni wrote:
>
> > > By the way has the Cziffra set of Chopin etudes ever made it onto CD? I
> > > would be very curious....
> > >
> >
> > So would I: I have been looking for this set carefully and I am pretty
> > sure a CD version is now nowhere to be found. Let's hope for the best!
> >
> > > Matt
> > >
> >
> > Francesco
>
>
> Further to my earlier posting, the Fondation Cziffra in
> Senlis does still have copies available of the 4-CD Philips
> set (which includes 18 of the 24 Etudes); there was talk of
> Philips reissuing the complete Etudes on a single CD during
> 1997, but nothing appears to have come of this.
>
> MG
>
>
Hello,
Do you have any contact info for this foundation?
Thanks!
MAtt
Haizen Paige
In article <33F2AB...@ecu.stanford.edu>, Francesco Giovannoni
<giov...@ecu.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Other complete sets include Biret on Naxos and Magaloff on Philips. The
> latter is complete up to some very minor pieces and is most likely out
> of print.
>
> Magaloff was a pianist with an excellent reputation in France,
> Switzerland and Italy: I personally think he is much better than the
> majority of this newsgroup (which never mentions him) seems to think.
>
> Others have discussed about Ashkenazy and the ongoing Ohlsson set.
>
> Francesco
Magalof had the touch of a master. He's vastly under appreciated. --
Haizen Paige
R. W. Miller
>Hello:
>
>Does anyone know if any artist has recorded the complete Piano works for
>Chopin. If you do, where can I find such a recording and which record
>company it is recorded with.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
Since these haven't been mentioned yet:
The Polish recording company Polskie Nagrania did the complete works
of Chopin (mostly piano works, of course) in the early stereo era; a
number of Polish pianists participate. This is now available on CD,
and I've seen them at Tower in Boston. I bought the disc of piano
concerti, because the First is played by Halina Czerny-Stefanska.
This is a 1959 recording conducted by Rowicki; she had recorded the
piece a few years earlier for Supraphon, with Smetacek and the Czech
Philharmonic, and that's the version that EMI issued on LP, mistakenly
credited as a performance by Dinu Lipatti. Apparently EMI was misled
by whoever sold them the tape. Anyway, it was always a great favorite
of mine, and the later performance with Rowicki is very similar.
I have also seen what may be a complete Chopin edition, again shared
by several pianists, on the Canyon Classics label. These are modern
digital recordings, and in this series Czerny-Stefanska does the
mazurkas (has anyone here heard these performances?) I haven't heard
any of these discs; I saw them at Tower, didn't buy them, and now
they're gone.
In both cases, the discs were expensive imports at around $20 per
disc. This, and their limited availability, would seem to preclude a
recommendation over Ashkenazy or Magaloff. But FWIW, there they are.
AL LEVY
Try looking for Rubenstein's complete (Nocturnes) (Preludes) etc.
AL
jazz...@ix.netcom.com
http://alevy.com
John R. Wang
I have the Ashkenazy (London) and Biret (Naxos) sets. Both are worth
listening to, for about the same price.
In my opinion, Ashkenazy is more consistent, although some of it isn't
great, namely his later recordings. I like his preludes, etudes,
ballades, scherzi, some of the waltzes, third sonata,
polonaise-fantasie, and some of the minor works (Barcarolle, Berceuse,
etc.). His mazurkas, nocturnes, polonaises (except the polon.-fant.),
waltzes, etc. are nothing special, just good.
As for Biret, stay away from the Ballades, but the disc is worth
getting for the Fantasy Op.49. Her mazurkas, rondos, variations, and
sonatas are the best of her series. The etudes are okay, very slow
tempi. I generally like her polonaises, especially Op.44.
Are there any good recordings worth listening to on the Canyon Classics
Chopin cycle? What happened to Magaloff's set on Philips?
Eric
Man Fai Wong
I believe this is now available from BMG @ $88 for 11 CDs. This seems to
be one of those multi-disc sets that they do not put on their usual 2/3 off
sales, so you'll probably save on the S&H if you can find it locally.
AL LEVY <jazz...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
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Morten Vest Hansen
> Are there any good recordings worth listening to on the Canyon Classics
> Chopin cycle? What happened to Magaloff's set on Philips?
>
> Eric
The complete Chopin-Magaloff set is in the Philips catalogue (426 816-2
(13CD)), but so are the individual issues of the Nocturnes, Waltzes and Etudes
which are being deleted, so it may be that the complete set is also being
deleted?
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