Dates for these Furtwaengler Beethoven Sym.
Mathew Lu
I was wondering if anyone might be able to date the following discs of
Furtwaengler performances of the Beethoven Symphonies:
BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 1/3
FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
Music & Arts#711
BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 1/4/EGMONT OVT
FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
Music & Arts#792
BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 3/GROSSE FUGE
FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
Music & Arts#520
BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 4-7
FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
Music & Arts#824
BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 5/6
FURTWANGLER/BERLIN PHIL ORCH
Music & Arts#789
BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 6/LEONORE OVT
FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
Music & Arts#2001
BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 4/5/CORIOLAN OVT
FURTWANGLER/BERLIN PHIL
Grammofono 2000#78502
I am specifically looking for the 1944 Vienna recording of the 3rd, the
1943 Berlin of the 5th, and the 1942 Berlin of the 6th. Thanks for any
information you can give me.
--Mathew Lu
HenryFogel
> I was wondering if anyone might be able to date the following
discs of
>Furtwaengler performances of the Beethoven Symphonies:
>BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 1/3
> FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
> Music & Arts#711
First Symphony - Nov 10, 1952, Berlin Phil; Eroica - June 20, 1950, Berlin
Phil. (This latter has been variously identified as June 20, 1950 and Dec.
8, 1952 - but is now confirmed as June 20, 1950).
>BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 1/4/EGMONT OVT
> FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
> Music & Arts#792
First Sym - Sept. 19, 1954, berlin phil; Fourth Sym - Sept 4, 1953, Vienna
Phil. Egmont Ov - same concert as 4th Sym.
>BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 3/GROSSE FUGE
> FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
> Music & Arts#520
Probably (but not completely sure) December 8, 1952, Berlin Phil.
>BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 4-7
> FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
> Music & Arts#824
These are all wartime performances - Fourth & Fifth Sym - June 30, 1943
(Berlin Phil); 6th Sym - March 1944 (Berlin Phil); Seventh Sym - Oct
31-Nov 3, 1943 (Berlin Phil)
>BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 5/6
> FURTWANGLER/BERLIN PHIL ORCH
> Music & Arts#789
Both performances from same concert - Furtwangler's first post-war concert
with Berlin Philharmonic after not conducting (or seeing) them for 2 years
- May 25, 1947.
>BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 6/LEONORE OVT
> FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
> Music & Arts#2001
Sixth Sym is Same wartime performance as in the set CD 824 above. Leonore
Ov 3 is with concertgebouw Orch, July 13, 1950.
>BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 4/5/CORIOLAN OVT
> FURTWANGLER/BERLIN PHIL
> Grammofono 2000#78502
This one I don't know - but sounds like the June 1943 Berlin performances,
because all 3 works were done on same concert.
> I am specifically looking for the 1944 Vienna recording of the
3rd, the
>1943 Berlin of the 5th, and the 1942 Berlin of the 6th. Thanks for any
>information you can give me.
1944 Eroica - Music & Arts CD 814
1943 Berlin Fifth you will note answers above in Music & Arts 824
There is no 1942 Berlin of the 6th. There is the 1944 Berlin, noted above
in Music & Arts 824, and the 1947 in M&A 789 mentioned above also.
Henry Fogel
Deryk Barker
[...]
: >BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 3/GROSSE FUGE
: > Music & Arts#520
: Probably (but not completely sure) December 8, 1952, Berlin Phil.
The liner note, and both thr 3rd and 4th edition of John Hunt's The
Furtwaengler Sound give 7th December. The article by Ernest Lumpe, on
the dating of Furtwaengler Eroics in 1950 and 1952, in issue 131 of
the WF Society UK newsletter - which I'm sure Henry will have received
by now - contains nothing to contradict this assertion.
[...]
: 1944 Eroica - Music & Arts CD 814
: 1943 Berlin Fifth you will note answers above in Music & Arts 824
: There is no 1942 Berlin of the 6th. There is the 1944 Berlin, noted above
: in Music & Arts 824, and the 1947 in M&A 789 mentioned above also.
There is also a studio Pastoral from 22/23 December 1943, with the
VPO, recorded for HMV but unpublished at the time. Recent EMI LP and
Toshiba CD releases splcied in the first movement repeate which WF did
not in fact take. I see - again from the newsletter - that there is
now a Preiser release of this (90199) c/w the 1943 Brahms Haydn
Variations, although whether it is repeat free is not stated.
--
Deryk.
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HenryFogel
>From: dba...@turing.camosun.bc.ca (Deryk Barker)
>HenryFogel (henry...@aol.com) wrote:
>[...]
>: >BEETHOVEN*L.V. . . . SYM 3/GROSSE FUGE
>: > FURTWANGLER/VARIOUS
>: > Music & Arts#520
>: Probably (but not completely sure) December 8, 1952, Berlin Phil.
>
>The liner note, and both thr 3rd and 4th edition of John Hunt's The
>Furtwaengler Sound give 7th December. The article by Ernest Lumpe, on
>the dating of Furtwaengler Eroicas in 1950 and 1952, in issue 131 of
>the WF Society UK newsletter - which I'm sure Henry will have received
>by now - contains nothing to contradict this assertion.
The WF Society UK newsletter also does not list a date for that Music &
Arts CD. (For those who are not Furtwangler nuts, there are two
performances of Eroica from Dec. 7 and Dec. 8, 1952, and they have been
mis-labelled frequently in various releases). I am planning to do more
careful listening this weekend to all questionably dated Furtwangler
Eroicas, but a casual listening that I gave it and the Tahra release that
is now confirmed as 12/8 makes me believe they are the same performance.
But I'll try to clarify this within the next week or so. As for now, I
would sort of agree with Deryk, Music & Arts CD520 is not definitively
identified as Dec. 7 or 8, 1952.
Henry Fogel