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Randy Lane

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Aug 31, 2010, 12:35:10 PM8/31/10
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Does anyone know where there is a complete listing of the volumes
issued in the Philips Dutch Masters series, preferbly with decent
detail about the artists and recording dates?

Bob Harper

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Aug 31, 2010, 2:56:05 PM8/31/10
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I don't. TD might. I have a number of the volumes, and regard the
deletion of the series as deeply regrettable; a lot of great stuff.

Bob Harper

Russ (not Martha)

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Aug 31, 2010, 6:50:21 PM8/31/10
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On Aug 31, 11:35 am, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know where there is a complete listing of the volumes
> issued in the Philips Dutch Masters series, preferably with decent

> detail about the artists and recording dates?

I got a brochure when I picked up a number of van Beinums back in
1997. I'll see if I can find it. Dunno whether it's a complete
listing of the series.

Russ (not Martha)

Russ (not Martha)

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Sep 1, 2010, 10:33:49 AM9/1/10
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On Aug 31, 5:50 pm, "Russ (not Martha)" <roppenh...@satx.rr.com>
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I found the brochure. I'll post the contents later when I have more
time.

Russ (not Martha)

Russ (not Martha)

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Sep 1, 2010, 10:34:59 AM9/1/10
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On Aug 31, 5:50 pm, "Russ (not Martha)" <roppenh...@satx.rr.com>
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I found the brochure. I'll post the contents later when I have more
time.

Russ (not Martha)

Allen

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Sep 1, 2010, 10:51:57 AM9/1/10
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My first thought when I saw this was "Shouldn't this be OT?" Way back
when I was in elementary school we kept crayons, watercolors, pencils,
etc in cigar boxes, which we picked up free at any place that sold
cigars. One of the preferred boxes (because of its slightly larger size
and a great Rembrandt-like picture) was--Dutch Masters! My second
thought, of course, was On Topic.
Allen

Bob Harper

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Sep 1, 2010, 12:20:09 PM9/1/10
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IIRC, baseball cards in earlier days (before bubble gum) came in
cigarette packages, so the idea of CDs in cigar boxes isn't OT at all! :)

Bob Harper

pianomaven

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Sep 1, 2010, 6:05:11 PM9/1/10
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As a defender of the right wing and a supporter of business in
general, you might not regret the deletion as much as you claim.
Indeed, as it was a money loser from the start, it could only have
been justified as a kind of prestige enhancement to the label itself,
which was, of course, soon to meet a formal death because of the
disassociation of Philips Electronics from the ownership of Polygram,
purchased by Universal Music.

You should, indeed, cheer that the marketplace has been proven correct
in the end, ridding the world of uncommercial product which was a
waste of effort and space. Instead you're here meowing about how sad
the demise of this Dutch series was.

I am forced to smile, Bob.

And no, I do NOT own a complete listing of this stuff. Most of it was
remaindered in Amsterdam at 10 cents on the dollar in various
retailers about six years ago now.

TD

Russ (not Martha)

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Sep 1, 2010, 6:18:54 PM9/1/10
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On Aug 31, 11:35 am, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:

I did find the Dutch Masters brochure I mentioned in an earlier post,
but I fear it is not as detailed as one would like. It does not give
full program contents, let alone recording dates.

This is what it shows, plus what few details I remember, or can supply
because I have the CD::

462 066-2 Portrait of Emmy Ameling: Schumann
462 067-2 Portrait of Feike Asma: Bach
462 068-2 Mahler Das Lied von der Erde – Beinum; Concertgebouw
462 069-2 Debussy: La Mer; 3 Nocturnes; Images – Beinum;
Concertgebouw
462 070-2 Portrait of Anner Bijlsma: Mendelssohn
462 071-2 Portrait of Gré Brouwenstijn: Opera Arias
462 074-2 Portrait of Frans Brüggen: Mozart
462 075-2 Portrait of Cristina Deutekom: Viennese Operetta Arias
462 076-2 Portrait of Cor de Groot: Beethoven
462 077-2 Portrait of Bernard Haitink: Dvorak Symphonies 7 & 8
462 080-2 Portrait of Bernard Haitink: Bartók
462 083-2 Portrait of Hans Henkemens: Debussy
462 084-2 Portrait of Aafje Heynes: Bach; Brahms; Ritter
462 083-2 Brahms 4 Symphonies – Beinum; Concertgebouw
(I think MHS reissued this)
462 085-2 Portrait of Isabelle van Keulen: Saint-Saëns; Vieuxtemps
462 086-2 Portrait of Ton Koopman: De Fesch; Vivaldi
462 087-2 Portrait of Hans Henkemans: Brahms; Bruch; Ravel
462 092-2 Bach St Matthew Passion – Mengelberg
462 096-2 Portrait of Willem Mengelberg: Mahler
462 097-2 Portrait of Nederlands Blaserensemble: Stravinsky; Antheil
462 098-2 Portrait of Nederlands Kamerkoor: Martin; Poulenc; Bach;
Zemlinsky, et al
462 099-2 Portrait of Willem van Otterloo: Bizet; Grieg
462 100-2 Portrait of Edo de Waart: Wagner
462 102-2: Ave Maria / Aafje Heynis
462 521-2 Portrait of Herman Krebbers: Paganini; Svendsen; Saint-
Saëns; Vieuxtemps
462 525-2 JC Bach Sinfionias Op 18/1 & 3; Mozart Symphony #29; Flute
& Harp
Concerto – Beinum; Concertgebouw; Barwahser;
Berghout
462 526-2 Mengelberg: Beethoven
462 527-2 Portrait of Cor de Groot: Chopin
462 537-2 Portrait of Bernard Haitink: Mahler
462 552-2 Jaap & Haaken Stotijn: Mozart; Haydn
462 963-2 Feike Asma: North German Organ Music

HTH.

Russ (not Martha)

Frank Berger

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Sep 1, 2010, 6:39:20 PM9/1/10
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Russ (not Martha) wrote:
> On Aug 31, 11:35 am, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone know where there is a complete listing of the volumes
>> issued in the Philips Dutch Masters series, preferbly with decent
>> detail about the artists and recording dates?
>
> I did find the Dutch Masters brochure I mentioned in an earlier post,
> but I fear it is not as detailed as one would like. It does not give
> full program contents, let alone recording dates.
>
> This is what it shows, plus what few details I remember, or can supply
> because I have the CD::

> 462 087-2 Portrait of Hans Henkemans: Brahms; Bruch; Ravel

I believe this should be Herman Krebbers.


CharmNick

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Sep 2, 2010, 6:48:42 AM9/2/10
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Oh, come off it. No wonder it was a money loser - nobody was told
about it. I would have bought many of these issues but I didn't know
they even existed until it was too late. Now they fetch high prices
second-hand. A simple, small ad in Gramophone - or, better still, a
free set sent to it or one of the other mags, so they could tell their
readers - would have changed that. How about a listing on the then
Decca-Philips website, which I was already consulting regularly ? No,
nobody had a clue how or to whom to sell these things. Only a record
company executive could imagine that only Dutch people are interested
in Dutch performers. Bravo. The story of the classical record
industry, 1995-2010, in a nutshell.

Nick

pianomaven

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Sep 2, 2010, 6:56:46 AM9/2/10
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All other operating companies in Universal/Polygram had the right to
release these CDs. They all passed on the "opportunity".

So, you are now more insightful than sixty-odd employees of Universal
around the world. Congratulations! Apply for a job. Maybe you can lose
money faster than they already do.

TD


CharmNick

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Sep 2, 2010, 7:25:09 AM9/2/10
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> TD- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The only job with any future there is security guard on the vaults, to
make quite sure nothing that hasn't already been undersold on CD and
remaindered/pulped can ever be heard again.

N

Kip Williams

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Sep 2, 2010, 9:37:57 AM9/2/10
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CharmNick wrote:

> The only job with any future there is security guard on the vaults, to
> make quite sure nothing that hasn't already been undersold on CD and
> remaindered/pulped can ever be heard again.

"Is that you, Mister Benny?"


Kip W

Gerard

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Sep 2, 2010, 10:20:19 AM9/2/10
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AND a portrait of Henkemans as well.


Gerard

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Sep 2, 2010, 10:23:47 AM9/2/10
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I think a few are missing. Maybe items that have been added to the series later.
Like: Bruckner symphony 8 and Te Deum, by Haitink.

pianomaven

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Sep 2, 2010, 10:37:55 AM9/2/10
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> > > industry,1995-2010, in a nutshell.

>
> > All other operating companies in Universal/Polygram had the right to
> > release these CDs. They all passed on the "opportunity".
>
> > So, you are now more insightful than sixty-odd employees of Universal
> > around the world. Congratulations! Apply for a job. Maybe you can lose
> > money faster than they already do.
>
> > TD- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The only job with any future there is security guard on the vaults.

Sounds like a secure job. Why don't you apply?

Hey, don't knock it. At least you would have an appreciation for what
you're guarding.

TD

pianomaven

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Sep 2, 2010, 10:39:06 AM9/2/10
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Hardly unique release, I would suggest.

TD

Gerard

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Sep 2, 2010, 10:45:12 AM9/2/10
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As release it is completely unique.
That recording of Bruckner 8 (with the Concertgebouw Orchestra) has not been
available on CD in another form.
And a very good recording it is.


Randy Lane

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Sep 2, 2010, 12:35:03 PM9/2/10
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> And a very good recording it is.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

It is Amazon ASIN B00004XN6B
I cannot find a UPC, EAN, or JAN number for it though.
Is this not the same recording of the 8th as the one that is in the
Haitink box with 10 symphonies?

mark

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Sep 2, 2010, 1:17:00 PM9/2/10
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Thanks for bringing the patients their meal, Tom. :)

>
> Oh, come off it. No wonder it was a money loser - nobody was told
> about it. I would have bought many of these issues but I didn't know
> they even existed until it was too late. Now they fetch high prices
> second-hand. A simple, small ad in Gramophone - or, better still, a
> free set sent to it or one of the other mags, so they could tell their
> readers - would have changed that.

And you know that a small ad was never run in Gramophone how? Did you
bother checking the comprehensive New Release listing that runs in
Gramophone? It's a good way of seeing what has been released,
especially marginal-interest titles for which the labels aren't going
run an ad.

>How about a listing on the then
> Decca-Philips website, which I was already consulting regularly ? No,
> nobody had a clue how or to whom to sell these things.

What year were these titles released? I've seen reviews as long ago as
2000. Didn't Philips still have their own website at that point? I
can't remember. And were you checking that website back in 2000?

Gerard

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Sep 2, 2010, 1:50:09 PM9/2/10
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Randy Lane wrote:
> On Sep 2, 7:45 am, "Gerard" <g_nospam_hendrik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > pianomaven wrote:
> > > On Sep 2, 10:23 am, "Gerard" <g_nospam_hendrik...@hotmail.com>
> >
> > > > I think a few are missing. Maybe items that have been added to
> > > > the series later. Like: Bruckner symphony 8 and Te Deum, by
> > > > Haitink.
> >
> > > Hardly unique release, I would suggest.
> >
> > > TD
> >
> > As release it is completely unique.
> > That recording of Bruckner 8 (with the Concertgebouw Orchestra) has
> > not been available on CD in another form.
> > And a very good recording it is.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It is Amazon ASIN B00004XN6B
> I cannot find a UPC, EAN, or JAN number for it though.
> Is this not the same recording of the 8th as the one that is in the
> Haitink box with 10 symphonies?

It is a later recording, made in 1981, and originally released on LP, together
with Haitink's second recording of symphony 9 (I don't think that this one has
been on CD).
The Dutch masters of #8 issue is: 462 943-2.


Gerard

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Sep 2, 2010, 2:03:53 PM9/2/10
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Possibly this is the same recording, coupling Siegfried Idyll by Wagner:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Symphony-8-Bruckner/dp/B00000E2SV/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1283450229&sr=8-24

wkasimer

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Sep 2, 2010, 3:26:51 PM9/2/10
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On Sep 2, 1:17 pm, mark <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> And you know that a small ad was never run in Gramophone how? Did you
> bother checking the comprehensive New Release listing that runs in
> Gramophone? It's a good way of seeing what has been released,
> especially marginal-interest titles for which the labels aren't going
> run an ad.

Mark, I'm a pretty compulsive buyer, and pretty compulsive checker of
websites, magazines, etc., and have been for many, many years. The
marketing of the Dutch Masters series was abysmal, even by Universal's
not-so-lofty standards. The only reason I ever knew it existed was
that a few of the discs somehow straggled in to the HMV store in
Harvard Square. When I saw these, I asked the local Universal rep
about the series, and he was utterly clueless about it.

Bill

Randy Lane

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Sep 2, 2010, 3:40:21 PM9/2/10
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I share your feelings.
And I have the same feelings about the Philips "The Early Years"
series too.
In fact, I yearn for titles in "The Early Years" series far more than
the Dutch Masters.

Matthew B. Tepper

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Sep 2, 2010, 4:13:00 PM9/2/10
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> The only job with any future there is security guard on the vaults, to
> make quite sure nothing that hasn't already been undersold on CD and
> remaindered/pulped can ever be heard again.

Why else do you think God invented armor-piercing bullets?

COMMANDOS... ASSEMBLE!

(I know, I abandoned this joke -- and it IS only a joke -- right after 9/11,
but maybe it's okay to repeat it this long after the fact.)

--
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Jerry

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Sep 2, 2010, 5:02:55 PM9/2/10
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Here are a few more:

462 943-2 Bruckner 8th & Te Deum (Haitink)
462 946-2 Mahler 7th (Haitink)
462 947-2 Strauss Don Quixote & 4 Last Songs (Haitink)
462 105-2 Meesterstimmen (Music and Spoken Voices of Featured
Artists)
464 357-2 Krebbers – Viotti & Beethoven
462 553-2 Krebbers – Bach, Brahms, Badings


Jerry

Steve de Mena

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Sep 2, 2010, 8:23:07 PM9/2/10
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It's been released at least 3 times on CD. I have the first listed
release, which is coupled with Wagner Siegfried Idyll.

25-26/5/81

Philips CD 412 465-2 84:56 15:59 16:00 29:08 23:49
Philips CD 6725014 84:56 15:59 16:00 29:08 23:49
Philips Dutch Masters CD 462 943-2 84:56 15:59 16:00 29:08 23:49

Steve

James_scl

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Sep 2, 2010, 10:16:51 PM9/2/10
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Here is an updated version including vol. numbers and missing titles:

DM vol. 1 - 462 066-2  Portrait of Emmy Ameling: Schumann
Frauenliebe und-leben/Liederkreis
DM vol. 2 - 462 067-2  Portrait of Feike Asma: Bach Recital
DM vol. 3 - 462 068-2  Mahler Das Lied von der Erde – Beinum;
Concertgebouw
DM vol. 4 - 462 069-2  Debussy: La Mer; 3 Nocturnes; Images –
Beinum; Concertgebouw
DM vol. 5 - 462 070-2  Portrait of Anner Bijlsma: Mendelssohn
DM vol. 6 - 462 071-2  (2CD set) Portrait of Gré Brouwenstijn: Opera
Arias
DM vol. 7 - 462 074-2  Portrait of Frans Brüggen: Mozart
DM vol. 8 - 462 075-2  Portrait of Cristina Deutekom: Viennese
Operetta Arias
DM vol. 9 - 462 076-2  Portrait of Cor de Groot: Beethoven
DM vol. 10 - 462 077-2  (2CD set) Portrait of Bernard Haitink: Dvorak
Symphonies 7 & 8
DM vol. 11 - 462 080-2  Portrait of Bernard Haitink: Bartók / Kodály
DM vol. 12 - 462 083-2  Portrait of Hans Henkemens: Debussy
DM vol. 13 - 462 084-2  Portrait of Aafje Heynes: Bach; Brahms;
Ritter
DM vol. 14 - 462 085-2  Portrait of Isabelle van Keulen: Saint-Saëns;
Vieuxtemps
DM vol. 15 - 462 086-2  Portrait of Ton Koopman:  De Fesch; Vivaldi
DM vol. 16 - 462 087-2  Portrait of Hans Henkemans: Brahms; Bruch;
Ravel
DM vol. 17 - 462 088-2 (2CD set) Satie - Reinbert de Leeuw
DM vol. 18 - 462 091-2 Bruch, Bloch, Lalo, Schumann - Tibor de
Machula
DM vol. 19 - 462 092-2  Bach St Matthew Passion – Mengelberg
DM vol. 20 - 462 096-2  Portrait of Willem Mengelberg: Mahler #4
DM vol. 21 - 462 097-2  Portrait of Nederlands Blaserensemble:
Stravinsky; Antheil
DM vol. 22 - 462 098-2  Portrait of Nederlands Kamerkoor: Martin;


Poulenc; Bach; 
Zemlinsky, et al

DM vol. 23 - 462 099-2  Portrait of Willem van Otterloo: Bizet; Grieg
DM vol. 24 - 462 100-2  Portrait of Edo de Waart: Wagner
DM vol. 25 - 462 101-2 Paganini, Mendelssohn & Bottessini - Jaap van
Zweden
DM vol. 26 - 462 102-2  Ave Maria / Aafje Heynis
DM vol. 27 - 462 104-2 In Holland staat een huis 
DM vol. 28 - 462


963-2 Feike Asma: North German Organ Music

DM vol. 29 - 462 525-2  JC Bach Sinfonias Op 18/1 & 3; Mozart Symphony


#29; Flute 
& Harp Concerto – Beinum; Concertgebouw

DM vol. 30 - 462 534-2 (2CD set) Brahms: Symphonies Beinum;
Concertgebouw
DM vol. 31 - 462 527-2  Portrait of Cor de Groot: Chopin Préludes/
Ballades
DM vol. 32 - 462 537-2 (2CD set) Portrait of Bernard Haitink: Mahler
Sym #2
DM vol. 33 - 462 521-2 Portrait of Herman Krebbers: Paganini;
Svendsen; Saint-Saëns; Vieuxtemps
DM vol. 34 - 462 553-2 Bach, Brahms & Badings - Herman Krebbers
DM vol. 35 - 462 526-2  (5CD set) Beethoven - Mengelberg
DM vol. 36 - 462 529-2 Mozart - Nederlands Blazers Ensemble
DM vol. 37 - 462 552-2  Mozart; Haydn - Jaap & Haaken Stotijn
DM vol. 38 - 462 724-2 Schubert: Symphonies 3, 6 & 8 Beinum;
Concertgebouw
DM vol. 39 - 462 725-2 Mozart Piano Concerto 6 & 14 - Hans Henkemans
DM vol. 40 - 460 595-2 Amsterdam Loeki Stardust Quartet
DM vol. 41 - 462 105-2 Meestersremmen
DM vol. 42 - 462 896-2 Liszt - Cor de Groot
DM vol. 43 - 462 897-2 Debussy Piano Recital - Hans Henkemans
DM vol. 44 - 462 898-2 Schumann, Bocherini & Haydn - Tibor de Machula
DM vol. 45 - 462 899-2 Franck - Willem van Otterloo
DM vol. 46 - 462 943-2 Bruckner Sym #8 - Haitink
DM vol. 47 - 462 946-2 Mahler Sym #7 - Haitink
DM vol. 48 - 462 947-2 R. Strauss - Haitink
DM vol. 49 - 464 375-2 (5CD set) Great Pianists from the Netherlands
DM vol. 50 - 464 321-2 (9CD set) Mahler - Haitink
DM vol. 51 - 464 334-2 (4CD set) Schubert Lieder (same content as
“The Early Years” 438 528-2 )
DM vol. 52 - 464 355-2 (3CD set) Bach Complete Recordings - Szymon
Goldberg
DM vol. 53 - 464 374-2 Feike Asma: Nederlandse Componisten
DM vol. 54 - 464 357-2 Beethoven & Viotti: Violin Conc - Herman
Krebbers
DM vol. 55 - 464 385-2 (10CD set) Het puik van zoete kelen
DM vol. 56 - 464 609-2 Reicha & Onslow - Danzi Quintet
DM vol. 57 - 464 950-2 (4CD set) Bruckner Sym 5, 7, 8 & 9 Beinum;
Concertgebouw
DM vol. 58 - 468 096-2 (5CD set) Beethoven Complete Symphonies -
Bruggen
DM vol. 59 - 468 097-2 (4CD set) Schubert Complete Symphonies -
Bruggen
DM vol. 60 - 468 099-2 (3CD set) Schubert, Brahms & Franck - Willem
Mengelberg
DM vol. 61 - 468 370-2 Elly Ameling: Mozart Exsultate Jubilate/
Laudate Dominum


On Sep 2, 1:17 pm, mark <markstenr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What year were these titles released? I've seen reviews as long ago as
> 2000. Didn't Philips still have their own website at that point? I
> can't remember. And were you checking that website back in 2000?

Philips had a website at that time but no info on the Dutch Master
series was available online.

Steve de Mena

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Annie Woud.On 9/2/10 7:16 PM, James_scl wrote:

> DM vol. 55 - 464 385-2 (10CD set) Het puik van zoete kelen

I was curious about this title. Some info I found:

http://www.cantabile-subito.de/Contraltos/Dutch_Contraltos/dutch_contraltos.html


Het puik van zoete kelen - Honderd Jaar Nederlandse Zangkunst

This is a highly recommendable 10 CD set, collected by Hans Kerkhoff
who presented about 1200 broadcasts in the years from 1955 until 1981
with the title: 'Het Puik van zoete kelen'. Most of the recordings
after Worldwar II came mainly from the Dutch broadcast company VARA.
The oldest title is by the tenor Chris de Vos from 1905. The latest
was made in 1996. The repertoire includes 50% opera, 20%
oratorio/concert, 20% lieder/songs and 10% lighter music/varia. Below,
you can find a list of all singers (you will probably miss some names
- for instance Elisabeth Ohms or the baritone Anton van Rooy).
Booklet notes in Dutch only! --> This 10 CD-set can not be ordered at
my shop subito-cantabile!

100 singers in alphabetic order:

Mimi Aarden, Henri Albers, Elly Ameling, Theo Baylé, Annette de la
Bije, Peter van der Bilt, Arjan Blanken, Roos Boelsma, Emiel van
Bosch, Tom Brand, John Bröcheler, Cornelis Bronsgeest, Gré
Brouwenstijn, Carel Butter, Hélène Cals, José Candel, Cora Canne
Meijer, Jacques Caro, Léon Combé, Elisabeth Cooymans, Rina
Cornelissens, Julia Culp, Thom Denijs, Jan Derksen, Cristina Deutekom,
Maria van Dongen, Hendrik Drost, Max van Egmond, Cato Engelen-Sewing,
Lea Fuldauer, Simon van der Geest, Michel Gobets, Wouter Goedhart,
Louis Goldsteen, Gerry de Groot, Hans Gruys, Pauline de
Haan-Manifarges, Elize de Haas, Richard van Helvoirt Pel, Aafje
Heynis, Guus Hoekman, Robert Holl, David Hollestelle, Ruth Horna,
Harry van der Kamp, Lex KarseMayjer, Jaques van Kempen, John van
Kesteren, Max Kloos, Greet Koeman, Bernard Kruysen, Marjanne
Kweksilber, Johan Lammen, Hélène Ludolph, Suze Luger, Marijke van der
Lugt, Jan van Mantgem, Charlotte Margiono, Hein Meens, Ruud van der
Meer, Lucia Meeuwsen, Evert Miedema, Arnold van Mill, Jules Moes,
Louis Morrison, Jard van Nes, Antonie Nieuwenhuizen, Aaltje
Noordewier-Reddingius, Henk Noort, Maartje Offers, Wout Oosterkamp,
Jos Orélio, Henk Poort, Paul Pul, Willem Ravelli, Sophia van Sante,
Greta Santhagens-Manders, Jan Schipper, Sylvia Schlüter, Reinier
Schweppe, To van der Sluys, Henk Smit, Geert Smits, Nelly van der
Spek, Erna Spoorenberg, Julie de Stuers, Philip Terke, Louis van
Tulder, Jacques Urlus, Theodora Versteegh, John Vierkens, Jo Vincent,
Henk Viskil, Lieuwe Visser, Chris de Vos, Frans Vroons, Hubert Waber,
Ankie van Wickefoort-Crommelin, Hans Wilbrink, Annie Woud.

Steve

RiRiIII

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> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Symphony-8-Bruckner/dp/B00000E2SV/ref=sr_1_24...- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

This is the one and same with the Dutch Masters Series.

Matthew B. Tepper

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> Het puik van zoete kelen - Honderd Jaar Nederlandse Zangkunst
>
> This is a highly recommendable 10 CD set, collected by Hans Kerkhoff who
> presented about 1200 broadcasts in the years from 1955 until 1981 with
> the title: 'Het Puik van zoete kelen'. Most of the recordings after
> Worldwar II came mainly from the Dutch broadcast company VARA. The oldest
> title is by the tenor Chris de Vos from 1905. The latest was made in
> 1996.

Assuming that "Honderd Jaar Nederlandse Zangkunst" means "One Hundred Years
of Netherlandish Singing Artistry," and counting the years covered by the
period 1905 through 1996 inclusive, I see the equation 100 = 92. Typical
record company math. No wonder the industry has failed.

Gerard

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I was thinking of "symphony 9 (I don't think that this one has been on CD)".
Do you know of a CD release?


Frank Berger

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> DM vol. 16 - 462 087-2 Portrait of Hans Henkemans: Brahms; Bruch;
> Ravel

I repeat my earlier observation to which no one responded. In my database I
have the violinist here as Krebbers. I can't lay my hands on the CD right
now to see if I've enterered it wrong. Googling surely produces lots of
Dutch Masters lists that have 462087 as Henkemans. Yet, I can't find any
other references to these recordings by him, whereas Krebbers *did* record
the Bruch with Jordan/Brabants.

Sure looks to me like this is Krebbers, not Henkemans.


Gerard

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Frank Berger wrote:
> > DM vol. 16 - 462 087-2 Portrait of Hans Henkemans: Brahms; Bruch;
> > Ravel
>
> I repeat my earlier observation to which no one responded.

Not true.

> In my
> database I have the violinist here as Krebbers. I can't lay my hands
> on the CD right now to see if I've enterered it wrong. Googling
> surely produces lots of Dutch Masters lists that have 462087 as
> Henkemans. Yet, I can't find any other references to these
> recordings by him, whereas Krebbers *did* record the Bruch with
> Jordan/Brabants.
>
> Sure looks to me like this is Krebbers, not Henkemans.

Krebbers was on the Brahms/Bruch/Ravel disk (Volume 16, 462 087-2).
And there also was a Henkemans disk (see the list in this thread).


James_scl

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On Sep 3, 12:59 pm, "Gerard" <g_nospam_hendrik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Krebbers was on the Brahms/Bruch/Ravel disk (Volume 16, 462 087-2).
> And there also was a Henkemans disk (see the list in this thread).

Some additional info:

DM vol. 16 - 462 087-2

Brahms Violin Con. in D - Bruch Violin Con. # 1 - Ravel Tzigane
Herman Krebbers, Haitink, Kondrashin

Steve de Mena

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On 9/3/10 7:28 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:9sednSfYlZphJx3R...@giganews.com:
>
>> Het puik van zoete kelen - Honderd Jaar Nederlandse Zangkunst
>>
>> This is a highly recommendable 10 CD set, collected by Hans Kerkhoff who
>> presented about 1200 broadcasts in the years from 1955 until 1981 with
>> the title: 'Het Puik van zoete kelen'. Most of the recordings after
>> Worldwar II came mainly from the Dutch broadcast company VARA. The oldest
>> title is by the tenor Chris de Vos from 1905. The latest was made in
>> 1996.
>
> Assuming that "Honderd Jaar Nederlandse Zangkunst" means "One Hundred Years
> of Netherlandish Singing Artistry," and counting the years covered by the
> period 1905 through 1996 inclusive, I see the equation 100 = 92. Typical
> record company math. No wonder the industry has failed.

I'll presume those singers were active during the 100 years prior to
the release of the set.

Steve

Steve de Mena

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Yes the 9th in the circa 1981 digital recording was one of the first
Philips CDs, with a geometric pattern on the cover. Later issues of
the same catalog # have a newer cover, with a picture of Haitink.
It's a nice performance!

Both covers are pictured here:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000E2LS

The one I think is rarer is this analog Bruckner 7th:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000E50G (there is also an issue with a
painting of Haitink rehearsing)

Steve

Gerard

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I think that this analog Bruckner #7 is the same one as issued in the Philips
Solo series:
446 580-2
(Recorded in 1979)
Or is it his first Bruckner 7 - the one that's also in the boxed set - recorded
in 1966?
That one also appeared on a Philips Duo:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2003/Mar03/Bruckner67Haitink.htm

RiRiIII

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> That one also appeared on a Philips Duo:http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2003/Mar03/Bruckner67H...- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The Philips SOLO has the Bruckner 7 from 1979 not from 1966.

Gerard

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That's what I wrote. It's a version I have.
My question was about the analog Bruckner 7th mentioned by Steve de Mena.


Matthew B. Tepper

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Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:Ioqdndi7n-HxrRzR...@giganews.com:

Well, shoot, why not figure out when de Vos first sang in public, and
stretch the date back to that year.

Matthew B. Tepper

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Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:HfKdnQkNQNYrrBzR...@giganews.com:

> Yes the 9th in the circa 1981 digital recording was one of the first
> Philips CDs, with a geometric pattern on the cover. Later issues of
> the same catalog # have a newer cover, with a picture of Haitink.
> It's a nice performance!
>
> Both covers are pictured here:
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000E2LS
>
> The one I think is rarer is this analog Bruckner 7th:
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000E50G (there is also an issue with a
> painting of Haitink rehearsing)

Is that the one which appeared in a 2-LP set (box in Europe, foldover with a
different design in the USA) with the Te Deum? 'Cause that was my
introduction to this Bruckner symphony.

Frank Berger

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I was referring to the list Russ posted (which appears all over the web),
which appears to say that 462 087 is the Portrait of Hans Henkemens, when it
is not.


RiRiIII

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> > > >http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000E50G(there is also an issue with a

> > > > painting of Haitink rehearsing)
>
> > > > Steve
>
> > > I think that this analog Bruckner #7 is the same one as issued in
> > > the Philips
> > > Solo series:
> > > 446 580-2
> > > (Recorded in 1979)
> > > Or is it his first Bruckner 7 - the one that's also in the boxed
> > > set - recorded
> > > in 1966?
> > > That one also appeared on a Philips
>
> Duo:http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2003/Mar03/Bruckner67H...
>
> > > Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The Philips SOLO has the Bruckner 7 from 1979 not from 1966.
>
> That's what I wrote. It's a version I have.
> My question was about the analog Bruckner 7th mentioned by Steve de Mena.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I thought you were not sure if the SOLO cd has the 1979 or the 1966
recordings (both are analog).

I think that the one mentioned by Steve de Mena is the same as the
Solo meaning the analog from 1979.

Gerard

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We have heard you three times about it already.


Gerard

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Sep 3, 2010, 4:45:55 PM9/3/10
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That's what I think also.
But I don't know why he called it "rare". (OTOH he wrote "rarer".)


Bob Harper

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On 9/3/10 10:34 AM, Steve de Mena wrote:
(snip)

>
> Yes the 9th in the circa 1981 digital recording was one of the first
> Philips CDs, with a geometric pattern on the cover. Later issues of the
> same catalog # have a newer cover, with a picture of Haitink. It's a
> nice performance!

Nice ?! It's one of the great performances of the work!


>
> Both covers are pictured here:
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000E2LS
>
> The one I think is rarer is this analog Bruckner 7th:
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000E50G (there is also an issue with a
> painting of Haitink rehearsing)

Assuming this is the 1978 recording, I have it on a Phillips 'Solo' CD,
with a painting of Bruckner in profile on the cover. Also an outstanding
performance.

Bob Harper
>
> Steve
>

Steve de Mena

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It's this one:

9-10/10/78

Philips CD 420 805-2 65:19 20:48 22:20 9:51 12:05
Philips CD 434 155 65:19 20:48 22:20 9:51 12:05
Philips CD 446 580-2 65:19 20:48 22:20 9:51 12:05
Philips LP 6769 028 65:19 20:48 22:20 9:51 12:05
Philips LP 802 912 LY 65:19 20:48 22:20 9:51 12:05
Philips LP SAL 3785 65:19 20:48 22:20 9:51 12:05

I didn't know about the "SOLO" reissue of it. A number of SOLO
releases seem hard to find here in the U.S.

Steve

Steve de Mena

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I considered it rarer (without the quotes) as it is rare to find it
here in the U.S., and maybe elsewhere. None of those three CD issues
were commonly available here, as far as I know, unlike the 8th and 9th
CDs that were also mentioned.

Steve

Steve de Mena

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On 9/3/10 12:38 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:HfKdnQkNQNYrrBzR...@giganews.com:
>
>> Yes the 9th in the circa 1981 digital recording was one of the first
>> Philips CDs, with a geometric pattern on the cover. Later issues of
>> the same catalog # have a newer cover, with a picture of Haitink.
>> It's a nice performance!
>>
>> Both covers are pictured here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000E2LS
>>
>> The one I think is rarer is this analog Bruckner 7th:
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00000E50G (there is also an issue with a
>> painting of Haitink rehearsing)
>
> Is that the one which appeared in a 2-LP set (box in Europe, foldover with a
> different design in the USA) with the Te Deum? 'Cause that was my
> introduction to this Bruckner symphony.

No, that was probably the 1960s 7th. The 1970s 7th was paired with
Siegfried-Idyll (which on CD was paired with the 8th symphony).

Here is the cover:

http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/mikeh22129/DSC_0075_014.JPG=600

Steve

Gerard

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These timongs are the same as on the SOLO issue.
It's a splendid performance, and a splendid recording.
IIRC it was Haitink who said at that time to the Philips staff: you should hear
how we play this Bruckner symphony NOW, and you should make a recording of it.
And that's what happened.


Gerard

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Sep 4, 2010, 5:34:22 AM9/4/10
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Exactly. That's the 'original' issue.
This was a splendid time in recording the Concertgebouw Orchestra by Philips.
Late-analog at it's best. Another example was the 1979 recording of Debussy's
Nocturnes.

Bob Harper

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On 9/4/10 12:02 AM, Steve de Mena wrote:
(snip)
>
> No, that was probably the 1960s 7th. The 1970s 7th was paired with
> Siegfried-Idyll (which on CD was paired with the 8th symphony).
>
> Here is the cover:
>
> http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/mikeh22129/DSC_0075_014.JPG=600
>
> Steve
>
Which 7th was the subject of the Dutch TV documentary?

Bob Harper

Doug McDonald

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On 9/4/2010 4:34 AM, Gerard wrote:

>
> Exactly. That's the 'original' issue.
> This was a splendid time in recording the Concertgebouw Orchestra by Philips.
> Late-analog at it's best.

Huh? Philips was never ever "analog at its best"!

I never heard a Philips analog recording that was truly first rate
acoustically. From Philips, that is! Some of them that somehow
escaped onto the open-reels of Barclay-Crocker we quite nice.
But from Philips, it appears that they had a strict house policy
of NO BASS.

Doug McDonald

Bob Harper

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Sep 4, 2010, 10:17:23 AM9/4/10
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On 9/4/10 2:34 AM, Gerard wrote:
(snip)

>
> Exactly. That's the 'original' issue.
> This was a splendid time in recording the Concertgebouw Orchestra by Philips.
> Late-analog at it's best. Another example was the 1979 recording of Debussy's
> Nocturnes.
>
Agreed. Wonderful recordings and performances. When was the
Concertgebouw 'Heldenleben' recorded (memory says 1970, but I could be
wrong). That's another good one. And the Bizet Symphony--and more I'm
not remembering.

Bob Harper

Gerard

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Hm, as far as I can remember I've never encountered such a No Bass Philips
recording.
Do you examples?


RiRiIII

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> We have heard you three times about it already.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Really? I thought I had something to add in very of these messages. If
not, sorry for the trouble.

Gerard

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I was not referring to you, but replying on Berger's post.


RiRiIII

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Indeed. I might add the wonderful and often forgotten recording from
10/1980 of Brahms' Hungarian Dances again with Haitink (the LPas IIRC
only a provate issue nut it appeared on an early budget CD in the
Philips "Concert Classics" series (422 477-2); when I managed to find
a copy I could not believe my ears! It is one of my favorites ever
since.

alex

Gerard

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I can't remember ever having seen such an item.
Did it contain all Hungarian Dances?


Randy Lane

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> Did it contain all Hungarian Dances?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The Concert Classics CD has all 10.
The 4 CD boxed set only had #1, #3 and # 10.

Bob Harper

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Here it is:

http://tinyurl.com/2f5bhr9

Note that the Dvorak Op. 46 is from quite early in Haitink's career
(1959-66). Anybody know these?

Bob Harper

RiRiIII

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> Bob Harper- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes sure! They are included in Vol 10 of the Dutch Masters Series as
well (2cd set, all Dvorak/Haitink recordings); in this Vol 10 it is
written that these Dvorak dances are from 1968 while the Concert
Classics CD mentions the right dates which are various from 59 to 66;
these former dates are consistent with the Dutch Discography of the
RCO. So, of they are different recs which I doubt, I have to check.

The Brahms dances were also issued in Japan in 1997 as PHCP-6037.

Alex

Frank Berger

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Gerard was talking to me. He loves to pick on me. There's something the
matter with him.


ivanmaxim

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The Philips 1962 Parsifal, more than other recorded Parsifal, captures
wonderfully the way that music sounds in that theatre - that was
certainly an example of analog at its best, Wagner fan

ivanmaxim

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> matter with him.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Truer words were never spoken - he's a itch!!!! There is something
wrong with him - that kind of childish behavior really should be
attended to - by a professional. Wagner fan

Gerard

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ivanmaxim wrote:
>
> Truer words were never spoken - he's a itch!!!! There is something
> wrong with him - that kind of childish behavior really should be
> attended to - by a professional. Wagner fan

jeez, look who's "talking".


Lohengrin

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What an awesome list!!! Thank you!!!

On Wednesday, 1 September 2010 23:18:54 UTC+1, Russ (not Martha) wrote:
> On Aug 31, 11:35 am, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone know where there is a complete listing of the volumes
> > issued in the Philips Dutch Masters series, preferbly with decent
> > detail about the artists and recording dates?
>
> I did find the Dutch Masters brochure I mentioned in an earlier post,
> but I fear it is not as detailed as one would like. It does not give
> full program contents, let alone recording dates.
>
> This is what it shows, plus what few details I remember, or can supply
> because I have the CD::
>
> 462 066-2 Portrait of Emmy Ameling: Schumann
> 462 067-2 Portrait of Feike Asma: Bach
> 462 068-2 Mahler Das Lied von der Erde - Beinum; Concertgebouw
> 462 069-2 Debussy: La Mer; 3 Nocturnes; Images - Beinum;
> Concertgebouw
> 462 070-2 Portrait of Anner Bijlsma: Mendelssohn
> 462 071-2 Portrait of Gré Brouwenstijn: Opera Arias
> 462 074-2 Portrait of Frans Brüggen: Mozart
> 462 075-2 Portrait of Cristina Deutekom: Viennese Operetta Arias
> 462 076-2 Portrait of Cor de Groot: Beethoven
> 462 077-2 Portrait of Bernard Haitink: Dvorak Symphonies 7 & 8
> 462 080-2 Portrait of Bernard Haitink: Bartók
> 462 083-2 Portrait of Hans Henkemens: Debussy
> 462 084-2 Portrait of Aafje Heynes: Bach; Brahms; Ritter
> 462 083-2 Brahms 4 Symphonies - Beinum; Concertgebouw
> (I think MHS reissued this)
> 462 085-2 Portrait of Isabelle van Keulen: Saint-Saëns; Vieuxtemps
> 462 086-2 Portrait of Ton Koopman: De Fesch; Vivaldi
> 462 087-2 Portrait of Hans Henkemans: Brahms; Bruch; Ravel
> 462 092-2 Bach St Matthew Passion - Mengelberg
> 462 096-2 Portrait of Willem Mengelberg: Mahler
> 462 097-2 Portrait of Nederlands Blaserensemble: Stravinsky; Antheil
> 462 098-2 Portrait of Nederlands Kamerkoor: Martin; Poulenc; Bach;
> Zemlinsky, et al
> 462 099-2 Portrait of Willem van Otterloo: Bizet; Grieg
> 462 100-2 Portrait of Edo de Waart: Wagner
> 462 102-2: Ave Maria / Aafje Heynis
> 462 521-2 Portrait of Herman Krebbers: Paganini; Svendsen; Saint-
> Saëns; Vieuxtemps
> 462 525-2 JC Bach Sinfionias Op 18/1 & 3; Mozart Symphony #29; Flute
> & Harp
> Concerto - Beinum; Concertgebouw; Barwahser;
> Berghout
> 462 526-2 Mengelberg: Beethoven
> 462 527-2 Portrait of Cor de Groot: Chopin
> 462 537-2 Portrait of Bernard Haitink: Mahler
> 462 552-2 Jaap & Haaken Stotijn: Mozart; Haydn
> 462 963-2 Feike Asma: North German Organ Music
>
> HTH.
>
> Russ (not Martha)

Lohengrin

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This is yet incomplete. For example, Vol. 57 of van Beinum conducting Bruckner is missing.

Gerard

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"Lohengrin" wrote in message
news:7f2630f2-5356-4417...@googlegroups.com...

This is yet incomplete. For example, Vol. 57 of van Beinum conducting
Bruckner is missing.


========================

Does it matter?
The series does not exist any more.


Bob Harper

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More's the pity. I was lucky enough to get most of the items in which I
was interested during the last years of Kruidvaat (sp?). Lots of great
stuff!

Bob Harper

Frank Berger

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Beinum conducting Brahms is mis-labeled 462 083. Should be 462 724.
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RiRiIII

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I think you mean Kuijper Klassik?

Gerard

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"RiRiIII" wrote in message
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================

Probably.
Kruidvat never sold CDs from this series. And Kruidvat is still very much
alive.


Gerard

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Nope.
Brahms 4 Symphonies - Beinum is 462 534-2.

================================================


"Frank Berger" wrote in message
news:BtmdnZBBhe681KjJ...@supernews.com...

Frank Berger

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On 10/8/2014 10:24 AM, Frank Berger wrote:


Correcting my own error the Beinum/Brahms set is 462 534.

Also missing is the Beinum/Schubert set, vol 38, 462 724.

Bob Harper

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You're right. I felt uneasy about the identification when I wrote it,
but couldn't remember the name. Thanks for the correction.

Bob Harper

Bob Harper

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Yes. See my reply to Alex above.

Bob Harper

Randy Lane

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On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 9:11:33 AM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
> On 10/8/14, 7:49 AM, Gerard wrote: > > > "RiRiIII" wrote in message > news:09f0c9cb-7f34-4c61...@googlegroups.com... > > On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 4:59:22 PM UTC+3, Bob Harper wrote: >> On 10/8/14, 6:21 AM, Gerard wrote: >> >> > >> >> > "Lohengrin" wrote in message >> >> > news:7f2630f2-5356-4417...@googlegroups.com... >> >> > >> >> > This is yet incomplete. For example, Vol. 57 of van Beinum conducting >> >> > Bruckner is missing. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ======================== >> >> > >> >> > Does it matter? >> >> > The series does not exist any more. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> More's the pity. I was lucky enough to get most of the items in which I >> >> was interested during the last years of Kruidvaat (sp?). Lots of great >> >> stuff! >> >> >> >> Bob Harper > > I think you mean Kuijper Klassik? > > ================ > > Probably. > Kruidvat never sold CDs from this series. And Kruidvat is still very > much alive. > > Yes. See my reply to Alex above. Bob Harper

This set would make a fine MegaBox, especially for those who were unable to get them when they were released.

Same goes for the Philips Early Years series.
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NikonF3T

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Hi, my first posting here. Happened to stumble upon this page while searching something else. Forget about that "something else." This is much more interesting. ;-)

I own iTunes files that I edited over years, and happened to have it open right now so I can add few more things. I want to comment and leave data about Haitink's recording. I love Haitink immensely. He is the only conductor who can do excellent to great renditions of Bruckner and Mahler as equally.

* *
Bruckner 7th: He recorded in 1966, 1978 and live in 1972.

R:1966/11 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam.
1: 18'19, 2: 21'04, 3:9'24, 4: 11'49.
Philips: 442 040-2 PB9 [442 047-2], 473 301, 478 5690,
LP: 802 759~60, SAL 3624~5, SFX 7662~3, 6717 002, PC 5575~86.

I know that Haitink's Philips Bruckner set has been re-released few times since the initial 442 040, but have not looked whether they're the same combination or not, and I own the first set.

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L:1972/10/14 Amsterdam, Concertgebouw (date: yyyy/mm/dd).
1: 19'45, 2: 20'30, 3: 9'22, 4: 12'37.
Q Disc: 97014 [97014-13].

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R:1978/10/9,10 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam.
1: 20'58, 2: 22'24, 3: 9'56, 4: 12'05 (420 805) and 12'09 (434 155).
Philips: 434 155-2 PM, 420 805-2 PH, 32CD 613,
LP: 6769 028;9500 639~40, 25PC 23~4.

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Bruckner 8th: The 1981 version was released in 2 LP set as 6769 080. This happens to be one of my most favorites of the 8th. But let's list chronologically.

R:1969/9 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam.
1: 14'03, 2: 13'39, 3: 25'24, 4:20'46.
Philips: 442 040-2 PB9 [442 048-2], (LP: 6700 020, SFX 7844~5, 6717 002, PC 5575~86.

While the liner note says it's 1960 recording, considering the first release LP set #, sound quality and there was no sign of its existence before, I think it is 1969.

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R:1981/5/25,26 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam.
1: 16'05, 2: 16'14;16'16, 3:29'16;29'14, 4:23'57 (412 465;462 943).
Philips: LP: 6769 080;6514 143~4, 28PC 28~9, 6725 014,
CD: 412 465-2 PH2;412 466~7-2, 35DC 94~5, PHCP 3549~50, 462 943;944~5.

There is also 1996 WPO and 2005 RCO versions.

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Bruckner 9th:

R:1965/12 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam.
1: 23'19, 2: 11'19, 3: 24'52.
Philips: 442 040-2 PB9 [442 049-2], 473 886,
LP: 835 381, SFX 7664, 6717 002, PC 5575~86.

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R:1981/11/11,12 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam.
1: 25'15, 2: 10'55;10'53, 3: 26'28;26'37 (410 039;PHCP 10581).
Philips Japan: PHCP 10581, [454 570, UCCD 2160], 410 039,
LP: 6514 191, 28PC 61, 6725 014.

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Richard Strauss: Don Quixote op.35 / Vier letzte Lieder [462 947-2]

This was one of the LP release that has not been converted to CD and saw being listed in the Dutch Master Series. And I believe the 4 Last Songs are the new release - nothing came up in discography search.

op.35:
R:1977/5/9 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam.
40'49.
Philips: 462 947-2, 468 880,
LP: 9500 440, X 7881, 18PC 5556, 416 674.

Songs:
L:1968/7/2 Holland Festival.
Philips: 462 947-2.
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