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David Royko
Jul 30, 2012, 12:47:22 PM7/30/12
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I've lost track of Brendel's re-doings of various pieces, but overall,
I'm aware of recordings of Schubert's D. 575 and the last eight
sonatas (D. 784, 840, 845, 850, 894, 958, 959, and 960).
Besides recordings of non-sonata Schubert solo piano pieces, has
Brendel recorded any other Schubert sonatas?
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I'm aware of recordings of Schubert's D. 575 and the last eight
sonatas (D. 784, 840, 845, 850, 894, 958, 959, and 960).
Besides recordings of non-sonata Schubert solo piano pieces, has
Brendel recorded any other Schubert sonatas?
Dave Royko
http://www.davidroyko.com is Dave Royko's site for info about:
The book, Royko In Love: Mike's Letters to Carol (UofCPress);
The book, Voices of Children of Divorce (St. Martin's Press);
Music reviews & features (Chgo Trib, etc.); Ben stories (Autism);
CSO "From The Archives" index; Music Ramblings; and plenty of Etc.
Don Petter
Jul 30, 2012, 1:05:04 PM7/30/12
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Don.
Herman
Jul 30, 2012, 1:39:14 PM7/30/12
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Just before the start of the white "New Digital Recording" in six or seven volumes (I seem to be missing one vol) Brendel recorded 664 and 537 for Philips, in 1982, with a brown-black cover image. I have no idea why this wasn't part of the white series, which started soon after.
Mixed with Sonatas are the Impromptus and the Moments Musicaux and the 3 Pieces, although I find the 1972 Impromptus are Brendel's best.
These 'Artist's Choice' compilations are making a big mess of the Brendel discography, but apparently Decca feels there is an unlimited number of Brendel cds to be sold (at top price) to a certain public, just for a couple more years. There's even a cd of Brendel reading his quaint poetry...
Herman
Mixed with Sonatas are the Impromptus and the Moments Musicaux and the 3 Pieces, although I find the 1972 Impromptus are Brendel's best.
These 'Artist's Choice' compilations are making a big mess of the Brendel discography, but apparently Decca feels there is an unlimited number of Brendel cds to be sold (at top price) to a certain public, just for a couple more years. There's even a cd of Brendel reading his quaint poetry...
Herman
Herman
Jul 30, 2012, 1:51:39 PM7/30/12
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Also I'd wager that 1990 is the end date of Brendel's good recordings.
His Mozart with Mackerras, for instance, isn't better because of Brendel, it's because Mackerras is better than Marriner.
Herman
His Mozart with Mackerras, for instance, isn't better because of Brendel, it's because Mackerras is better than Marriner.
Herman
David Royko
Jul 30, 2012, 1:40:55 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 12:05 pm, longrifle22-fly...@yahoo.co.uk (Don Petter)
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Dave
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> D537 and D664 on Philips.
Thanks Don -- that one had completely eluded me.
Dave
td
Jul 30, 2012, 6:43:58 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 1:51 pm, Herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Also I'd wager that 1990 is the end date of Brendel's good recordings.
I would reckon that you were wrong, Herman.
> Also I'd wager that 1990 is the end date of Brendel's good recordings.
His entire new Beethoven cycle dates from the 1990s.
Not to mention his Mozart sonatas and Mozart Concerti recorded with
Mackerras.
> His Mozart with Mackerras, for instance, isn't better because of Brendel, it's because Mackerras is better than Marriner.
Or do you think that the orchestral accompaniment in the Mozart
concerts is non-essential.
Or, perhaps you are suggesting that Brendel plays badly and Mackerras
conducts wonderfully?
Indeed, Herman, you position seems a tissue of ill-conceived opinions.
TD
td
Jul 30, 2012, 6:59:16 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 1:39 pm, Herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just before the start of the white "New Digital Recording" in six or seven volumes (I seem to be missing one vol) Brendel recorded 664 and 537 for Philips, in 1982, with a brown-black cover image. I have no idea why this wasn't part of the white series, which started soon after.
These two sonatas were included in 446 923-2, Vol. III of the Art of
> Just before the start of the white "New Digital Recording" in six or seven volumes (I seem to be missing one vol) Brendel recorded 664 and 537 for Philips, in 1982, with a brown-black cover image. I have no idea why this wasn't part of the white series, which started soon after.
Alfred Brendel, produced in celebration of his 70th Birthday. This
set contained all of Brendel's early analogue Schubert sonata
recordings plus those two from 1982.
There were five volumes in that complete set:
Vol. I - Haydn/Mozart;
Vol.II - Beethoven;
Vol IV - Liszt;
Vol. V Brahms/Schumann.
Then there was 464 454-2 (2 CDs) containing new "live recordings of D
575, 894, 959, & 960.
I am not sure whether the recent Artist Choice series contains even
more "new" readings of various Schubert sonatas.
TD
Herman
Jul 30, 2012, 9:44:06 PM7/30/12
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Le mardi 31 juillet 2012 00:59:16 UTC+2, td a écrit :
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> Then there was 464 454-2 (2 CDs) containing new "live recordings of D
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> 575, 894, 959, & 960.
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> I am not sure whether the recent Artist Choice series contains even
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> more "new" readings of various Schubert sonatas.
>
I have discussed another Artist's Choice 2cd with "new" live material here, the one with 789 and 840 that were previously released on "Brendel Live in Salzburg"; both sonatas offering no improvement on the studio recordings, while being sonically quite iffy; an execrable 960 and a good 959. So god only knows why this was made into a 2cd.
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> Then there was 464 454-2 (2 CDs) containing new "live recordings of D
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> 575, 894, 959, & 960.
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>
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> I am not sure whether the recent Artist Choice series contains even
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> more "new" readings of various Schubert sonatas.
>
The funny thing is I think Brendel's Schubert, when it's good (which it often is), is important. I just don't see why Philips / Decca is making such a mess of his record - other than making money.
Herman
Jul 30, 2012, 9:34:04 PM7/30/12
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Le mardi 31 juillet 2012 00:43:58 UTC+2, td a écrit :
> On Jul 30, 1:51 pm, Herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Also I'd wager that 1990 is the end date of Brendel's good recordings.
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>
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> I would reckon that you were wrong, Herman.
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>
>
> His entire new Beethoven cycle dates from the 1990s.
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>
>
> Not to mention his Mozart sonatas and Mozart Concerti recorded with
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> Mackerras.
>
>
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> > His Mozart with Mackerras, for instance, isn't better because of Brendel, it's because Mackerras is better than Marriner.
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>
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> Right. And that makes the entire collaboration even better.
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>
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> Or do you think that the orchestral accompaniment in the Mozart
>
> concerts is non-essential.
>
No, I don't think the orchestral part is "accompaniment" at all. However I do think it is worthwhile to point out that these recordings aren't better as far as Brendel is concerned, and that Brendel has been putting out shitloads of recordings while his artistry was in decline.
> On Jul 30, 1:51 pm, Herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Also I'd wager that 1990 is the end date of Brendel's good recordings.
>
>
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> I would reckon that you were wrong, Herman.
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>
>
> His entire new Beethoven cycle dates from the 1990s.
>
>
>
> Not to mention his Mozart sonatas and Mozart Concerti recorded with
>
> Mackerras.
>
>
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> > His Mozart with Mackerras, for instance, isn't better because of Brendel, it's because Mackerras is better than Marriner.
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>
>
> Right. And that makes the entire collaboration even better.
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>
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> Or do you think that the orchestral accompaniment in the Mozart
>
> concerts is non-essential.
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td
Jul 31, 2012, 8:23:04 AM7/31/12
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Mind you, that's just my opinion.
TD
td
Jul 31, 2012, 8:24:16 AM7/31/12
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LOL.
You want it to be "neat"?
HA HA HA HA HA
Grow up, Herman.
TD
Herman
Jul 31, 2012, 11:51:51 AM7/31/12
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Le mardi 31 juillet 2012 00:59:16 UTC+2, td a écrit :
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> These two sonatas were included in 446 923-2, Vol. III of the Art of
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> Alfred Brendel, produced in celebration of his 70th Birthday. This
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> set contained all of Brendel's early analogue Schubert sonata
>
> recordings plus those two from 1982.
These "The Ary of Alfred Brendel" boxes are perhaps the beginning of this crazy random repackaging of Brendel material.
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> Alfred Brendel, produced in celebration of his 70th Birthday. This
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> set contained all of Brendel's early analogue Schubert sonata
>
> recordings plus those two from 1982.
In the Schubert box: if one would think this box contains the seventies Schubert recordings plus the 537 and 664 that preceded the white series, one turns out to be wrong, because the Impromptus are not in the box, while the Moments Musicaux are.
In the Mozart / Haydn box only one of five discs is Haydn; the other four are Mozart, among which an apparently random selection of the Concertos with Marriner, which is available in a complete collection, too.
My onservation that Brendel performance is deteriorating after 1990 is only natural: if a performer keeps re-recording the same material the point of no return becomes painfully obvious.
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