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Sol L. Siegel

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Mar 12, 2001, 10:36:47 PM3/12/01
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It certainly looks that way, since they just cut back their hours (7 PM closing
every day) and have Inventory Liquidation Sale posters all over.

Was it e-sales? The coming of Tower a few blocks away? Someone wanting
the address for another restaurant on Walnut St.? Some combo thereof?


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Matthew B. Tepper

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Mar 13, 2001, 12:02:15 AM3/13/01
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vod...@aol.comjunkfree (Sol L. Siegel) wrote in
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>It certainly looks that way, since they just cut back their hours (7 PM
>closing every day) and have Inventory Liquidation Sale posters all over.
>
>
>Was it e-sales? The coming of Tower a few blocks away? Someone wanting
>the address for another restaurant on Walnut St.? Some combo thereof?

Or maybe they'll waggle their fingers and try to blame it on Napster!

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richard loeb

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Mar 13, 2001, 5:24:19 AM3/13/01
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The huge Tower two blocks away killed them.
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Marc Perman

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Mar 13, 2001, 6:21:37 AM3/13/01
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"richard loeb" <loe...@home.com> wrote in message
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> The huge Tower two blocks away killed them.

The HMV on Broadway/72nd in NY was apparently slayed by the
Lincoln Center Tower. HMV's strategy, at least in NY, is to let
their stores become shabby and unappealing; the carpet at
Lexington/86th is filthy. Once they stopped running decent sales
a few years ago HMV stopped being of interest to me.

Marc Perman

Simon Roberts

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Mar 13, 2001, 7:37:19 AM3/13/01
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Sol L. Siegel (vod...@aol.comjunkfree) wrote:
: It certainly looks that way, since they just cut back their hours (7 PM closing

: every day) and have Inventory Liquidation Sale posters all over.

: Was it e-sales? The coming of Tower a few blocks away? Someone wanting
: the address for another restaurant on Walnut St.? Some combo thereof?

How about sheer incompetence? A CD store that feels no evident need to
unpack new releases any sooner than, say, a fortnight after their release
date, doesn't stand much of a chance.

Simon

Matthew B. Tepper

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Mar 13, 2001, 11:49:34 AM3/13/01
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si...@dept.english.upenn.edu (Simon Roberts) wrote in
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I have often chastized the classical buyer for one of the Tower stores for
this very thing. And his store is one of the one that is having its
classical space eaten away bigtime.

Dan Dickstein

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Mar 13, 2001, 11:10:19 AM3/13/01
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With Tower and J&R also in NYC, I found HMV to be aggressively
noncompetitive from the moment it opened.

Kalman Rubinson

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Mar 13, 2001, 12:15:58 PM3/13/01
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:10:19 -0500, Dan Dickstein <DDick...@fcb.com>
wrote:

>With Tower and J&R also in NYC, I found HMV to be aggressively
>noncompetitive from the moment it opened.

For a while, there were Towers and HMVs on both upper Eastside and
Upper Westside. For that interval, there was price competition. Now,
HMV has ceded the Westside to Tower and Tower has left the Eastside.
The result is predictable.

Kal

K. Howson-Jan

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Mar 13, 2001, 1:18:05 PM3/13/01
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They have managed to hang on in downtown Toronto, almost next door to
Sam the Record Man, and an easy stroll from Tower. I usually drop in
for a look-see, but it has been a while since I got something there. I
tend to find the prices a bit more than their competitors, and the sales
quite few. The classical and jazz sections at that particular store are
reasonable, the ones in my city, pathetic. Boxing Day is the big
blow-out in Canada, and HMV tends to do a buy-3-get-1-free type deal.
That I find less appealing than a straight 20% off everything offer.

Kang

Marc Perman

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Mar 13, 2001, 6:54:19 PM3/13/01
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"Kalman Rubinson" <k...@nyu.edu> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:10:19 -0500, Dan Dickstein
<DDick...@fcb.com>
> wrote:
>
> >With Tower and J&R also in NYC, I found HMV to be aggressively
> >noncompetitive from the moment it opened.

As is the Virgin "Mega" store.

Marc Perman


vaneyes

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Mar 13, 2001, 6:58:02 PM3/13/01
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In article <3AAE6455...@home.com>, K. Howson-Jan says...

>
>They have managed to hang on in downtown Toronto, almost next door to
>Sam the Record Man, and an easy stroll from Tower. I usually drop in
>for a look-see, but it has been a while since I got something there. I
>tend to find the prices a bit more than their competitors, and the sales
>quite few. The classical and jazz sections at that particular store are
>reasonable, the ones in my city, pathetic. Boxing Day is the big
>blow-out in Canada, and HMV tends to do a buy-3-get-1-free type deal.
>That I find less appealing than a straight 20% off everything offer.
>
>Kang

They don't know classical. In Canada, HMVs are usually found in malls, with
little competition, preying on mall-rats. Their meager classical section pricing
is easily 50 to 60% higher. This chain needs to just go away.


Regards


John Thomas

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Mar 13, 2001, 7:13:39 PM3/13/01
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In article <euyr6.3084$54....@www.newsranger.com>, "vaneyes"
<van...@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote:

> They don't know classical. In Canada, HMVs are usually found in malls,
> with
> little competition, preying on mall-rats. Their meager classical section
> pricing
> is easily 50 to 60% higher. This chain needs to just go away.

And yet HMV online is where I found and bought for $11 USD the
Scherchen St Matthew Passion, which was available online nowhere
else in North America, and at twice that price in Germany.

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vaneyes

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Mar 13, 2001, 7:47:02 PM3/13/01
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In article <no-spam-B7928C...@news.sonic.net>, John Thomas says...


Yes, the online is a different story, especially for MCA Millennium Classics.
I'd say their mall-rats need to waz up re junk music purchases.
Not a big difference, but A & B Sound has the aforementioned Scherchen for $9.52
US, and Sikora's in Vancouver can even beat that (under $9.00 US if memory
serves, but don't hold me to it), but you have to phone them at 685-0625 (no
Website).


Regards


John Thomas

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Mar 13, 2001, 8:17:20 PM3/13/01
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In article <aczr6.3093$54....@www.newsranger.com>, "vaneyes"
<van...@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote:

I knew about Sikora's (from Ramon), but I have a fetish about
ordering and paying online.

Paul Kintzele

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Mar 13, 2001, 9:30:55 PM3/13/01
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"Sol L. Siegel" wrote:
>
> It certainly looks that way, since they just cut back their hours (7 PM closing
> every day) and have Inventory Liquidation Sale posters all over.
>
> Was it e-sales? The coming of Tower a few blocks away? Someone wanting
> the address for another restaurant on Walnut St.? Some combo thereof?

Sad news. I always bought more frequently at Tower because they had the
sense to put things on sale; HMV's sales were rather rare. Now I guess
everything's on sale, one last time....

Paul

Marc Perman

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Mar 13, 2001, 10:14:50 PM3/13/01
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"vaneyes" <van...@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, the online is a different story, especially for MCA
Millennium Classics.
> I'd say their mall-rats need to waz up re junk music purchases.
> Not a big difference, but A & B Sound has the aforementioned
Scherchen for $9.52
> US, and Sikora's in Vancouver can even beat that (under $9.00 US
if memory
> serves, but don't hold me to it), but you have to phone them at
685-0625 (no
> Website).

But A&B often takes months to complete orders, while HMV usually
ships within days.

Marc Perman


John Thomas

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Mar 13, 2001, 10:38:56 PM3/13/01
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In article <KmBr6.5174$lj.3...@typhoon.nyc.rr.com>, "Marc Perman"
<mpe...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:


They did.

vaneyes

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Mar 14, 2001, 1:56:26 AM3/14/01
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In article <KmBr6.5174$lj.3...@typhoon.nyc.rr.com>, Marc Perman says...

>
>But A&B often takes months to complete orders, while HMV usually
>ships within days.
>
>Marc Perman
>
>


Considering A & B Sound has a notice about the Bach item being out of stock and
taking two to three weeks for delivery, I'm inclined to agree that both HMV
online or Sikora's by phone would be the better choice.
But how old are those A & B stories? has anyone tried A & B lately?
I recall reading a few stories like that at various classical Websites about
three years ago. More often than not, they were items that people had tried
getting from other mail-orders around the world with no luck. So then, out of
the goodness of their hearts, they thought they'd give A & B a shot, considering
their fair pricing (understatement about the pricing). Oh the screams we all
heard when they couldn't get service. heh heh heh
Each to his/her own. I don't buy any CDs online that are designated as out of
stock or back-order.

Regards


Terry Zeller

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Mar 14, 2001, 7:50:52 PM3/14/01
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The Philly HMV always had better prices, always. Their Naxos CDs were
$5.99, while at Tower they were $6.99.Over the past three years I
purchased many opera sets at HMV because their price was always $2-$3 or
more lower than Tower's. HMV also gave a 15% discount to Philadelphia
Orchestra subscribers compared to Tower's 10%. I will miss HMV. Look
for prices to go up at Tower. And now we have no other place in Center
City to go for CDs..

Terry

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Paul Kintzele

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Mar 14, 2001, 10:59:46 PM3/14/01
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Terry Zeller wrote:
>
> The Philly HMV always had better prices, always. Their Naxos CDs were
> $5.99, while at Tower they were $6.99.Over the past three years I
> purchased many opera sets at HMV because their price was always $2-$3 or
> more lower than Tower's.

Yes, HMV is almost always a bit cheaper than Tower, most notably in
Naxos (but then Tower's Naxos section is about three times larger than
HMV's). But on the other hand HMV's sales were just too infrequent;
even this current "liquidation sale" is a bit odd: how much of their
stock will they liquidate at an entirely unexceptional 20% off?

By the way, I stopped by HMV's classical dept. this afternoon and asked
for information. The store will remain open until "about mid-April,"
and guess who will be taking over their prestigious space on Walnut?

The friggin' Gap, that's who.

Paul

Marc Perman

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Mar 14, 2001, 11:07:25 PM3/14/01
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"vaneyes" <van...@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote in message
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>
> Considering A & B Sound has a notice about the Bach item being
out of stock and
> taking two to three weeks for delivery, I'm inclined to agree
that both HMV
> online or Sikora's by phone would be the better choice.
> But how old are those A & B stories? has anyone tried A & B
lately?
> I recall reading a few stories like that at various classical
Websites about
> three years ago. More often than not, they were items that
people had tried
> getting from other mail-orders around the world with no luck. So
then, out of
> the goodness of their hearts, they thought they'd give A & B a
shot, considering
> their fair pricing (understatement about the pricing). Oh the
screams we all
> heard when they couldn't get service. heh heh heh
> Each to his/her own. I don't buy any CDs online that are
designated as out of
> stock or back-order.

A&B still sucks. The out of stock items make several intermediate
stops along the way to shipping: "Warehouse 01, " "Pending,"
"Processing," etc. A&B's website shares every painful step with
you. I have this image of a Celibidache disc slowly making its
way from Calgary to Vancouver, where a 19 year old who eats only
fries for lunch spends several minutes determining what to do with
the disc.

Marc Perman


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