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David7Gable

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Apr 28, 2004, 7:04:00 PM4/28/04
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What performances on Vox, Turnabout, or Candide do you really like? Available
already or not. A few of my favorites:

Mozart's Masonic Music w/Peter Maag et al
Mozart's "Haydn" Quartets w/Hungarian Quartet
Ives: Holidays Symphony w/Donald Johanos, Dallas SO
Haydn: string quartets recorded by The Fine Arts Quartet
Boulez: Éclat & Improvisation sur Mallarmé no. 2 w/Joel Thome, Philadelphia
Composers Forum

-david gable

Sol L. Siegel

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Apr 28, 2004, 8:09:53 PM4/28/04
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>david...@aol.com (David7Gable) writes:

>What performances on Vox, Turnabout, or Candide do you really
>like? Available already or not. A few of my favorites:

>Ives: Holidays Symphony w/Donald Johanos, Dallas SO

Seconded; I prefer it to Bernstein. I'm also fond of the Rach
Symphonic Dances.

Personal faves: Rosbaud Bruckner 7; Horvat's Shostakovich 1 & 9;
Skrowaczewski's Ravel; Markevitch's Nielsen 4; almost anything by
Laredo-Kalichstein-Robinson.

-Sol Siegel, Philadelphia, PA
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"Tosca"
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David7Gable

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Apr 28, 2004, 8:18:18 PM4/28/04
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>>Ives: Holidays Symphony w/Donald Johanos, Dallas SO
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>Seconded; I prefer it to Bernstein.

So do I. By a considerable margin.

-david gable

David M. Cook

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Apr 28, 2004, 10:45:54 PM4/28/04
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Kalichstein-Laredo-Robinson Trio
Ivan Moravec
Skrowaczewski's Ravel
New York Philomusica (they have their own label now; I don't know if their
transfers are improved.)
Slatkin's Ivan The Terrible
Dvorak Concerto set (Firkusny/Ricci/Nelsova/Suskind)
Rosbaud Bruckner 7
Chavez Symphonies (Mata)
Milhaud 6 Little Symphonies
Abbey Simon's Ravel

Dave Cook

J. R. Robinson

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Apr 28, 2004, 10:58:01 PM4/28/04
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David7Gable wrote:

The Art of Ivry Gitlis

Debussy & Chopin piano works (Moravec)

Rachmaninoff: Symphonic Dances
Ives: Holidays Symphony (Johanos/Dallas SO)

Chávez symphonies (Mata/LSO)

Bruckner: Symphony No. 8
Liszt: A Faust Symphony (Horenstein/Pro Musica Orchestra, Vienna)

Bartók orchestral music (Skrowaczewski/Minneapolis Orchestra),
especially for Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta and
Divertimento.

Ravel orchestral music (Skrowaczewski/Minneapolis Orchestra)

American String Quartets ~ 1950-1970 (Concord String Quartet)

Ravel piano works (Simon)

Brahms & Dvorak dances for piano four hand (Brendel & Klien)

Piano Music in America 1900-1945 (Shields)

J. R. Robinson
Denver, Colorado

Wayne Reimer

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Apr 29, 2004, 12:11:16 AM4/29/04
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> In article <Xns94D9D545F774...@129.250.170.85>, j...@NOSPAMtotalspeed.net says...
<...>

>
> American String Quartets ~ 1950-1970 (Concord String Quartet)
>
This one was a real find for me not too long ago. What a lot of interesting
music in it that's not available elsewhere! But it is also a collection like
this that also is a rather depressing reminder that there is an ocean of high-
quality American music from the last century that's going unheard and
unenjoyed.

wr

Matthew B. Tepper

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Apr 29, 2004, 12:16:46 AM4/29/04
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I too found this used (and cheap) just a few months ago. It was one of my
prize Vox Boxes from the 1970s, and so it was a joy to find it again.

I second your subsidiary remark, and point out again the disservice that
(competitor) Warner Classics is doing by keeping so much of the great 20th
century music portion of the Nonesuch catalogue suppressed.

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Thomas Wood

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Apr 29, 2004, 12:50:22 AM4/29/04
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Some all-time favorites:

Mozart/Wind Serenades etc,/New York Philomusica

Khatchaturian/Gayaneh/Kakidze/USSR Radio & TV Orchestra

Renaissance Brass Music/Eastman Brass Quintet (originally on a Candide LP)

On Turnabout:

Soler/Sonatas/de Larrocha

Bach/Brandenburg Concerti/Faerber/Wu:rttemburg Chamber Orch. (among the
first classical LPs I ever bought, thus a sentimental favorite).


Tom Wood


Raymond Hall

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Apr 29, 2004, 1:03:03 AM4/29/04
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You should try hearing the Holidays Symphony of Ives by Gielen/Stuttgart
forces, on Vol II of the 50th anniversary of the Stuttgart RSO. Recorded in
1973. The Decoration Day and the Thanksgiving and / or Forefather's Day
movements utilise an edition (Peer Musikverlag GmbH, Hamburg) and
Washington's Birthday and the Fourth of July movements use an edition of
Wilhelm Hansen, Hamburg.

Live performance, and quite thrilling, especially the final movement with
chorus. I don't know the text of which they sing, but it isn't mandatory for
me. The music speaks for itself.

Ray, Taree, NSW
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hallraylily/index.html

See You Tamara (Ozzy Osbourne)


Eric Grunin

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Apr 29, 2004, 1:52:39 AM4/29/04
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Some LPs that meant a lot to me at one time or other:

Candide:
Carter, Eight Etudes and a Fantasy
Ligeti, Aventures etc. (maybe the worst liner notes *ever*)

Vox:
'The Avant Garde String Quartet in the USA'
Bartok, Complete Piano Music
Prokofiev, Complete Piano Music

Turnabout:
Davidovsky, Synchronisms #6
Boulez, Le marteau sans maitre
Berio, Omaggio a Joyce
Prokofiev, Piano Sonata #7 (Richter)
Cage/ Berio/ Mimaroglu, Electronic Music
Crumb, Madrigals

Not sure how many of those I'd replace with CDs, probably about half.
I'm not near my collection at the moment, so there's probably a bunch
I'm forgetting.

Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica

David7Gable

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Apr 29, 2004, 9:06:11 AM4/29/04
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>Turnabout:

>Boulez, Le marteau sans maitre

Eric, presumably you know this was reissued on CD by Adès, from whom Turnabout
licensed it. I think Adès has been swallowed up by a larger company, though,
thus making its entire catalogue (permanently?) unavailable. I doubt that Vox
will be making licensed stuff available.

-david gable

David7Gable

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Apr 29, 2004, 9:16:20 AM4/29/04
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>I second your subsidiary remark, and point out again the disservice that
>(competitor) Warner Classics is doing by keeping so much of the great 20th
>century music portion of the Nonesuch catalogue suppressed.

Hey. If only that were the only century being suppressed! I'd like to see
them reissue a lot of their early music records from the Worcester fragments to
Josquin discs by George Hunter and the not yet totally insane Joshua Rifkin.
Precious little of the Nonesuch catalogue has been reissued on CD, the
exceptions including a couple of Carter discs and most of Jan de Gaetani's
recitals . . . and licensed stuff reissued on CD by the original owners
(Ristenpart's Bach, Boulez's first Le sacre).

-david gable

Simon Roberts

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Apr 29, 2004, 9:03:15 AM4/29/04
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In article <20040428190400...@mb-m12.aol.com>, David7Gable says...

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>
>
>What performances on Vox, Turnabout, or Candide do you really like?

Walter Klien's Mozart and most Kalichstein/Laredo/Robinson recordings (including
their new Beethoven, but that's not on Vox) probably head my list.

Simon

Alan Cooper

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Apr 29, 2004, 9:38:20 AM4/29/04
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On 28 Apr 2004 23:04:00 GMT, david...@aol.com (David7Gable) wrote:

>
>
>What performances on Vox, Turnabout, or Candide do you really like? Available
>already or not. A few of my favorites:
>
>Mozart's Masonic Music w/Peter Maag et al
>Mozart's "Haydn" Quartets w/Hungarian Quartet
>Ives: Holidays Symphony w/Donald Johanos, Dallas SO
>Haydn: string quartets recorded by The Fine Arts Quartet

>Boulez: ?clat & Improvisation sur Mallarm? no. 2 w/Joel Thome, Philadelphia
>Composers Forum

The Ives is on my list of favorites, too. Also the Concord String
Quartet recordings mentioned by several other posters. Here are a few
that I haven't seen mentioned:

Chopin Ballades and Polonaises (Peter Frankl)

Avant Garde Piano (Berio, Boulez. etc.; David Burge)

Martin Violin Concerto (Schneiderhan / Martin)

Brahms Clarinet Sonatas (David and Frank Glazer--the original Vox
issue came complete with miniature scores)

Aaron Rosand plays Sarasate + many other Rosand recordings of
little-known romantic works

Bartok Piano Concertos ##2 and 3 (Sandor / Gielen)

Mahler Symphonies ##1 and 9 (Horenstein) (also a 5-LP set on Vox
called "The Great Mahler Conductors" that contains Horenstein's #1,
Van Beinum's #4, Walter's pre-war #9, and Klemperer's Das Lied)

Hindemith Symphonic Metamorphoses (Moscow Phil / Kondrashin--my
favorite recording of the work)

Tcherepnin 10 Bagatelles + Shostakovich Chamber Symphony (Wuerttemberg
CO / Faerber)

AC

Edward A. Cowan

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Apr 29, 2004, 9:48:29 AM4/29/04
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Mozart's last symphonies (nos. 35-36, 38-41) with Peter Maag and the
Philharmonia Hungarica. --E.A.C.


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Chris Martin

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Apr 29, 2004, 12:25:34 PM4/29/04
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A number of Vox boxed including the Bruckner 7 and Am String Quartets
that have been mentioned are available very cheap at

http://www.musicgraveyard.com/compactdiscs.html

namely here
http://www.musicgraveyard.com/hanrosconmah.html

and

http://www.musicgraveyard.com/amstrinquar11.html

http://www.musicgraveyard.com/amstrinquar1.html

I have bought from them before and consider them very reliable.
-Chris


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Scott Graham

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Apr 29, 2004, 1:43:23 PM4/29/04
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"Simon Roberts" <sd...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I second Klien's Mozart. His Schubert is not at the same level, but
enjoyable enough as well.

Scott Graham
Salinas, CA


Alan Cooper

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Apr 29, 2004, 2:13:33 PM4/29/04
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I like the Mozart Sonatas, too. Also Klien's recordings with Brendel
of the Mozart 2-Piano Concerto and Sonata, and a delightful recital of
French 4-hand music including Jeux d'enfants performed by Klien and
his wife.

A propos of Simon's post, I just got the K/L/R Beethoven Trios (on
Arabseque) very inexpensively on ebay, and am enjoying them immensely.

AC

Paul Kintzele

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Apr 29, 2004, 3:45:50 PM4/29/04
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Alan Cooper wrote:


>>I second Klien's Mozart. His Schubert is not at the same level, but
>>enjoyable enough as well.
>
> I like the Mozart Sonatas, too.

Same here. Other nominations: the Rosand/Flissler Beethoven Violin
Sonatas are pretty good, even if the recording puts the piano a little
too far back in the mix. I'm also a fan of the NY Philomusica Mozart
discs (Wind Serenades, Complete Divertimenti) and Slatkin's Rachmaninov
series (Symphonies, Orchestral music, and Piano Concertos with Abbey
Simon)--recordings made before Slatkin became a byword for interpretive
blandness.

Paul

David7Gable

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Apr 29, 2004, 5:01:47 PM4/29/04
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>Avant Garde Piano (Berio, Boulez. etc.; David Burge)

First performance of Boulez's First Sonata I ever heard. Burge also recorded
the 2nd Sonata but nobody would ever release it.

-david gable

Eric Grunin

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Apr 29, 2004, 11:51:07 PM4/29/04
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On 29 Apr 2004 13:06:11 GMT, david...@aol.com (David7Gable) wrote:

>>Turnabout:
>
>>Boulez, Le marteau sans maitre
>
>Eric, presumably you know this was reissued on CD by Adès

Yes, I have that issue. I didn't realize you were asking about items
that had not been reissued.

Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica

MrT

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Apr 30, 2004, 12:25:13 AM4/30/04
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Wayne Reimer <wr...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.1afa20258...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>...

That set is essential for the Sessions 2nd quartet, a work of the
highest distinction. If memory serves, Peter Mennin is also
represented. I should dig up that box, which I haven't listened to in
ages (except for the Sessions, which I transferred to a CD for regular
use).

The Adagio in this quartet is sublime (of Beethoven caliber, actually
or only slightly hyperbolically).

Oh yes, here it is, what ugly artwork.... A treasure trove of music,
and the performances are adequate.

Best,

MrT

David7Gable

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Apr 30, 2004, 1:33:49 AM4/30/04
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There were also at least two splendid recordings of Renaissance music on these
labels:

Josquin: Missa Pange Lingua
Pierre de la Rue: Requiem
w/Spandauer Kantorei, Martin Behrman conducting

"Music of the Early Renaissance: Dunstable and his Contemporaries" w/Purcell
Consort of Voices, Musica Reservata (performers include a young Ian Partridge)

I would kill for CD transfers from these LP's.

-david gable


David7Gable

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Apr 30, 2004, 1:36:58 AM4/30/04
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>Yes, I have that issue. I didn't realize you were asking about items
>that had not been reissued.

Although I actually said "available already or not," you attribute more method
to my madness than there is. I just think it's fun to see what interests
people, and you never know what you might find out about.

-david

sam6...@earthlink.net

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Apr 30, 2004, 1:38:11 AM4/30/04
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David7Gable wrote:

Now you're talking. Are you being particular when it comes to what
contracts you're taking? If not, we may be doing some business together.

regards,
SG

David7Gable

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Apr 30, 2004, 10:09:50 AM4/30/04
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>Now you're talking. Are you being particular when it comes to what
>contracts you're taking?

I'm very particular: I need payment in advance wired to my Swiss bank account.

-david gable

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