Re: Just another case where the cd sound just can't compare with the original lp?

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gggg gggg

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Dec 21, 2020, 12:55:00 AM12/21/20

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On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 2:10:03 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> Concerning Monteux's stereo Scheherezade, the following says:
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> - Monteux, London Symphony Orchstra, Decca, 1957 (judging by the fullness of sound on the RCA Victor LP recording linked below, the CD remasters haven't done justice to the original LP recording:...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwML...5KnRYuEfRLTCC4
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzSaALg8yGM
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1e6T02b65w
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Rimsky-Korsak...s=music&sr=1-4
> https://www.amazon.com/Korsakov-Rims...s=music&sr=1-6
> ETC.
>
> https://www.talkclassical.com/61652-what-scheherazade-should-i-2.html
>
> And according to an Amazon customer:
>
> - Australia’s Decca Eloquence has an enviable record for vivid remastering of vintage Decca UK material, but something went amiss here. In removing a bit of throughly unobjectionable vintage tape hiss from this 1957 recording, they also manage to remove much of the air and high end detail, resulting in a rather dull, muffled sound...
>
> Another Amazon customer said:
>
> - ...The Scheherazade here is a great deal better than the previous Eclipse version which was rather raw sonically and no match for the previous LP version. This new mastering restores the fuller sound of the original LP discs...
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Korsakov-Rimsky-Scheherazade-Russian-Easter/dp/B00YWLBFX4/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=pierre+monteux+rimsky&qid=1559177954&s=music&sr=1-6

Concerning Heifetz's recording of the Brahns and Tchaikovsky violin concertos, an Amazon customer wrote:

- This CD doesn't sound as good as the LP,,,

gggg gggg

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Jan 18, 2021, 11:56:57 PM1/18/21

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On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:10:03 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
> Concerning Monteux's stereo Scheherezade, the following says:
>
> - Monteux, London Symphony Orchstra, Decca, 1957 (judging by the fullness of sound on the RCA Victor LP recording linked below, the CD remasters haven't done justice to the original LP recording:...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwML...5KnRYuEfRLTCC4
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzSaALg8yGM
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1e6T02b65w
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Rimsky-Korsak...s=music&sr=1-4
> https://www.amazon.com/Korsakov-Rims...s=music&sr=1-6
> ETC.
>
> https://www.talkclassical.com/61652-what-scheherazade-should-i-2.html
>
> And according to an Amazon customer:
>
> - Australia’s Decca Eloquence has an enviable record for vivid remastering of vintage Decca UK material, but something went amiss here. In removing a bit of throughly unobjectionable vintage tape hiss from this 1957 recording, they also manage to remove much of the air and high end detail, resulting in a rather dull, muffled sound...
>
> Another Amazon customer said:
>
> - ...The Scheherazade here is a great deal better than the previous Eclipse version which was rather raw sonically and no match for the previous LP version. This new mastering restores the fuller sound of the original LP discs...
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Korsakov-Rimsky-Scheherazade-Russian-Easter/dp/B00YWLBFX4/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=pierre+monteux+rimsky&qid=1559177954&s=music&sr=1-6

Concerning THE THIRD MAN theme, Scorsese says:

- I later found the actual soundtrack of the picture on an LP – it still sounds better than the CD.

https://fridaynightboys300.blogspot.com/2015/06/martin-scorsese-on-third-man.html

steve

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Jan 19, 2021, 9:25:37 AM1/19/21

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Yes I love all the pops on Vinyl not to mention the fact that the bass is degraded so that the needle won't jum the track.

Reinhold Gliere

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Jan 19, 2021, 12:20:40 PM1/19/21

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> Concerning Monteux's stereo Scheherezade, the following says:
>
> - Monteux, London Symphony Orchstra, Decca, 1957 (judging by the fullness of sound on the RCA Victor LP recording linked below, the CD remasters haven't done justice to the original LP recording:...
.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwML...5KnRYuEfRLTCC4
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzSaALg8yGM
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1e6T02b65w
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Rimsky-Korsak...s=music&sr=1-4
> https://www.amazon.com/Korsakov-Rims...s=music&sr=1-6
> ETC.
>
> https://www.talkclassical.com/61652-what-scheherazade-should-i-2.html
>
> And according to an Amazon customer:
>
> - Australia’s Decca Eloquence has an enviable record for vivid remastering of vintage Decca UK material, but something went amiss here. In removing a bit of throughly unobjectionable vintage tape hiss from this 1957 recording, they also manage to remove much of the air and high end detail, resulting in a rather dull, muffled sound...
>
> Another Amazon customer said:
>
> - ...The Scheherazade here is a great deal better than the previous Eclipse version which was rather raw sonically and no match for the previous LP version. This new mastering restores the fuller sound of the original LP discs...
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Korsakov-Rimsky-Scheherazade-Russian-Easter/dp/B00YWLBFX4/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=pierre+monteux+rimsky&qid=1559177954&s=music&sr=1-6

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:10:03 PM UTC-5, gggg gggg wrote:
> Concerning Monteux's stereo Scheherezade, the following says:
>
> - Monteux, London Symphony Orchstra, Decca, 1957 (judging by the fullness of sound on the RCA Victor LP recording linked below, the CD remasters haven't done justice to the original LP recording:...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwML...5KnRYuEfRLTCC4
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzSaALg8yGM
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1e6T02b65w
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Rimsky-Korsak...s=music&sr=1-4
> https://www.amazon.com/Korsakov-Rims...s=music&sr=1-6
> ETC.
>
> https://www.talkclassical.com/61652-what-scheherazade-should-i-2.html
>
> And according to an Amazon customer:
>
> - Australia’s Decca Eloquence has an enviable record for vivid remastering of vintage Decca UK material, but something went amiss here. In removing a bit of throughly unobjectionable vintage tape hiss from this 1957 recording, they also manage to remove much of the air and high end detail, resulting in a rather dull, muffled sound...
>
> Another Amazon customer said:
>
> - ...The Scheherazade here is a great deal better than the previous Eclipse version which was rather raw sonically and no match for the previous LP version. This new mastering restores the fuller sound of the original LP discs...
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Korsakov-Rimsky-Scheherazade-Russian-Easter/dp/B00YWLBFX4/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=pierre+monteux+rimsky&qid=1559177954&s=music&sr=1-6

Also CD 14 within the 24 CD set, The Complete Decca recordings. Not having the LP I can't make any comparison. IAE today I'm too old to have suitable hearing to do that. It could well be that the CD's engineers fouled things up. Early on the claim was raised that in some cases a LP's alleged sonic superiority resulted from euphonic distortion. Very few people own uncolored turntable systems, tone arms and cartridges all optimally set up in proper geometry, tracking angle and weight, stylus shape, overhang, azimuth alignment, relative masses of the tone arm/cartridge combination, the nature of its electrical output: MC, MM, and MI and then a suitably matching phono head amp (if any required) and a phono pre-amp's RIAA equalization. Compared to a CD player there are just too many variables when playing a LP.