On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 4:07:14 AM UTC+2, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 7/1/2021 9:22 PM, Herman wrote:
> > On Friday, July 2, 2021 at 2:01:32 AM UTC+2, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> Personally, I only call people criminals who have actually violated laws, not just people who don't believe what I believe or don't act as I would have them act. Not believing in the coming environmental disaster or not believing that aggressive steps should be taken to flatten the curve may be wrong, may be stupid, but they are not irresponsible and certainly not criminal.
> > Largely I agree with this sentiment - not calling people you happen to disagree with / getting divorced from etc ad inf 'criminal'. However many of these leaders Andy was talking about do actually break laws; they generally don't get arrested because they are in positions of power. And they stay in power so as not to get arrested. Think Berlusconi, think Trump.
> I'm not sure what laws Trump has broken. Are you? I'm going to wait until he is charged with something and convicted.
During his time in office Trump c.s. contended he could not be charged because of presidential immunity.
To me throwing an ex-president in jail doesn't seem like a good aspiration either (btw who introduced the "lock her up! chant into national politics?), apart from the fact that Trump has all his life played the delay and stall game in the courts. However, if there is not some form of accountability there will be lasting damage to the system.
I know you're likely to say, the accountability is he did not get reelected. However, there are tens of millions of Americans who firmly believe, counter to all evidence, that T. did get reelected, and they are prepared to commit acts of mass violence to defend this assumption.