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Sacqueboutier
Jan 8, 2015, 4:21:13 PM1/8/15
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I just ran a search on Facebook for Jeffrey and discovered his last FB post
was in mid-2013. It was a photo of himself as a child. A FB friend, a
childhood friend I'm assuming, posted "Jeffrey's last post. RIP."
So, I'm guessing Jeffrey has passed on.
Scanning his FB timeline, shows his usual political rants, a lot
of the usual music preferences, and a whole lot of photos from
his childhood. Also two posts, of faithful dogs, both passed. The
last just in January of 2012.
It was almost as though he was reminiscing, knowing his end
was near.
I noticed that Stephen De Mena was FB friends with Jeff.
Steve, any chance you know what became of him?
Despite all the frustrations in this group, it is with sad regards,
Don
was in mid-2013. It was a photo of himself as a child. A FB friend, a
childhood friend I'm assuming, posted "Jeffrey's last post. RIP."
So, I'm guessing Jeffrey has passed on.
Scanning his FB timeline, shows his usual political rants, a lot
of the usual music preferences, and a whole lot of photos from
his childhood. Also two posts, of faithful dogs, both passed. The
last just in January of 2012.
It was almost as though he was reminiscing, knowing his end
was near.
I noticed that Stephen De Mena was FB friends with Jeff.
Steve, any chance you know what became of him?
Despite all the frustrations in this group, it is with sad regards,
Don
Oscar
Jan 8, 2015, 4:52:37 PM1/8/15
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On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 3:21:13 PM, Sacqueboutier wrote:
>
> Despite all the frustrations in this group, it is with sad regards,
Very sad. The mockery that was directed toward Mr. Powell by the "enlightened" and "tolerant" members of the group, and in the light of his all-too-obvious suffering, was truly abhorrent. Rest in peace, Jeffrey.
>
> Despite all the frustrations in this group, it is with sad regards,
Oscar
Jan 8, 2015, 5:26:06 PM1/8/15
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On Thursday, July 21, 2011 at 10:28:12 PM, M forever wrote:
>
> ...Ansermetniac can't help it, he is obviously mentally ill but at least he stays away from
> most discussions, so it's really easy to either avoid or track him down to make fun of him,
> whatever you feel like.
Calling Jeffrey "crazy" and "a demented sicko" -- so tough.
On Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 3:01:52 AM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
>
> Powell - I know, he's crazy - is absolutely convinced there are no
> wind or brass players worth mentioning outside the US, or rather
> outside the US 1940 - 1960. Obviously Powell's a demented sicko, but
> how about other people discussing the socalled Big Five orchestras, as
> if they ARE the Big Five, even though on a world scale US orchestras
> aren't even close to the top five?
...but I came to Jeffrey's defense:
On Thursday, September 22, 2011 at 6:11:43 PM, Oscar wrote:
> On Sep 22, 10:19 am, Mark S wrote:
>
> > PP may be a new personality for Jeffrey, a spell-checked personality!
> >
> > As far as PP criticizing Jeffrey - well, the poor fool may be so lost
> > in his multiple personalities that he doesn't know who is doing the
> > talking to whom at any given time.
>
> Is this how you treat people with dissociative identity disorder,
> Mark? Mocking them? Where is the compassion and empathy? If you are
> really convinced this man suffers from mental illness, why say
> anything at all? Why 'pile on'?
...and this man, who hides behind the cloak of anonymity, has described himself as a professor at a public university in the Bay Area of California (since changed his Google moniker to D.Nada):
On Friday, September 16, 2011 at 11:03:24 AM UTC-5, D. Nada wrote:
>
> > BTW I ain't going nowhere.
>
> Whatever. You have announced you were leaving the group at least
> three times before, and unfortunately you never left. We've all come
> to accept it that, except for those blissful periods where the men in
> the white coats are successful in getting you to take your
> medications, we are stuck with you. Which is fine, really: you're
> good for a laugh most of the time.
<end>
>
> ...Ansermetniac can't help it, he is obviously mentally ill but at least he stays away from
> most discussions, so it's really easy to either avoid or track him down to make fun of him,
> whatever you feel like.
Calling Jeffrey "crazy" and "a demented sicko" -- so tough.
On Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 3:01:52 AM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
>
> Powell - I know, he's crazy - is absolutely convinced there are no
> wind or brass players worth mentioning outside the US, or rather
> outside the US 1940 - 1960. Obviously Powell's a demented sicko, but
> how about other people discussing the socalled Big Five orchestras, as
> if they ARE the Big Five, even though on a world scale US orchestras
> aren't even close to the top five?
...but I came to Jeffrey's defense:
On Thursday, September 22, 2011 at 6:11:43 PM, Oscar wrote:
> On Sep 22, 10:19 am, Mark S wrote:
>
> > PP may be a new personality for Jeffrey, a spell-checked personality!
> >
> > As far as PP criticizing Jeffrey - well, the poor fool may be so lost
> > in his multiple personalities that he doesn't know who is doing the
> > talking to whom at any given time.
>
> Is this how you treat people with dissociative identity disorder,
> Mark? Mocking them? Where is the compassion and empathy? If you are
> really convinced this man suffers from mental illness, why say
> anything at all? Why 'pile on'?
...and this man, who hides behind the cloak of anonymity, has described himself as a professor at a public university in the Bay Area of California (since changed his Google moniker to D.Nada):
On Friday, September 16, 2011 at 11:03:24 AM UTC-5, D. Nada wrote:
>
> > BTW I ain't going nowhere.
>
> Whatever. You have announced you were leaving the group at least
> three times before, and unfortunately you never left. We've all come
> to accept it that, except for those blissful periods where the men in
> the white coats are successful in getting you to take your
> medications, we are stuck with you. Which is fine, really: you're
> good for a laugh most of the time.
<end>
Sacqueboutier
Jan 8, 2015, 5:36:25 PM1/8/15
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didn't jump to his defense. That's where we parted company.
Before that, we had a decent correspondence going and he
was instrumental in sparking my interest in Ansermet. Alas,
I still have trouble understanding his obsession with Toscanini
and the NBC Symphony.
I have a Facebook message out to his friend in hopes of
getting some details. My guy feeling is that he may have
taken his own life in despair after losing his cherished
Yellow Labrador, having no job, and having to sell just about
all he owned on Ebay.
I don't really know, but sure hope that's not it.
Don
Oscar
Jan 8, 2015, 6:15:59 PM1/8/15
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On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:36:25 PM, Sacqueboutier wrote:
>
> Jeff tended to pick fights and then complain when his friends
> didn't jump to his defense. That's where we parted company.
Right. And there is a huge difference between the outright viciousness directed toward Powell by the "progressives", i.e. seek and destroy, and choosing not to jump to defend provocative statements, i.e. opting out.
>
> Jeff tended to pick fights and then complain when his friends
> didn't jump to his defense. That's where we parted company.
Apparently, mental illness is a barrel of laughs for some people.
Sacqueboutier
Jan 8, 2015, 6:20:33 PM1/8/15
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though some here went out of their way to pick at him. It was
pretty obvious he was suffering from mental illness. I wish he
had sought help.
Oscar
Jan 8, 2015, 6:29:57 PM1/8/15
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On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 5:20:33 PM, Sacqueboutier wrote:
>
> There is a limit to the patience of any person, but it did seem as
> though some here went out of their way to pick at him. It was
> pretty obvious he was suffering from mental illness. I wish he
> had sought help.
I think we can all agree that the limit to the patience of any person is much different in active, real-time face-to-face settings than in a passive forum such as an internet bulletin board. Takes time to form thoughts, arrange them and press the SEND button. Excusing such hate -- and all of the above quotations I've cited are examples of hate, loud and clear -- on account of "impulse" or by calling them mere "misstatements" is not siding with virtue.
>
> There is a limit to the patience of any person, but it did seem as
> though some here went out of their way to pick at him. It was
> pretty obvious he was suffering from mental illness. I wish he
> had sought help.
Oscar
Jan 8, 2015, 6:57:00 PM1/8/15
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When the following was originally posted it was under the Google moniker "J.Martin":
On Friday, September 16, 2011 at 11:03:24 AM, D. Nada wrote:
>
> > BTW I ain't going nowhere.
>
> Whatever. You have announced you were leaving the group at least
> three times before, and unfortunately you never left. We've all come
> to accept it that, except for those blissful periods where the men in
> the white coats are successful in getting you to take your
> medications, we are stuck with you. Which is fine, really: you're
> good for a laugh most of the time.
His real name is Martin Jay and he is a Sidney Hellman Ehrman Professor of History at the University of California, Berkeley:
On Friday, November 9, 2012 at 1:06:52 PM, D. Nada wrote:
>
> I work in education, on a California campus where Asian American students outnumber whites.
On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 at 12:56:01 PM, D. Nada wrote:
>
> As most people here know, I have made frequent reference to my residence in the SF bay area.
He even has a Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Jay
<< Martin Jay (born 1944) is the Sidney Hellman Ehrman Professor of History at the University of California, Berkeley. He is an intellectual historian whose research interests have connected history with other academic and intellectual activities, such as the critical theory of the Frankfurt School, social theory, cultural criticism, and historiography. Jay received his B.A from Union College in 1965. In 1971, he completed his Ph.D. in History at Harvard under the tutelage of H. Stuart Hughes. His dissertation was later revised into the book The Dialectical Imagination, which covers the history of the Frankfurt School from 1923-1950. Jay's work since then has explored Marxism, socialism, historiography, cultural criticism, visual culture, and the place of post-structuralism and post-modernism in European intellectual history.
He also has a regular column in the quarterly journal Salmagundi.
Jay is Jewish and is the husband of literary critic Catherine Gallagher. >>
On Friday, September 16, 2011 at 11:03:24 AM, D. Nada wrote:
>
> > BTW I ain't going nowhere.
>
> Whatever. You have announced you were leaving the group at least
> three times before, and unfortunately you never left. We've all come
> to accept it that, except for those blissful periods where the men in
> the white coats are successful in getting you to take your
> medications, we are stuck with you. Which is fine, really: you're
> good for a laugh most of the time.
On Friday, November 9, 2012 at 1:06:52 PM, D. Nada wrote:
>
> I work in education, on a California campus where Asian American students outnumber whites.
On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 at 12:56:01 PM, D. Nada wrote:
>
> As most people here know, I have made frequent reference to my residence in the SF bay area.
He even has a Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Jay
<< Martin Jay (born 1944) is the Sidney Hellman Ehrman Professor of History at the University of California, Berkeley. He is an intellectual historian whose research interests have connected history with other academic and intellectual activities, such as the critical theory of the Frankfurt School, social theory, cultural criticism, and historiography. Jay received his B.A from Union College in 1965. In 1971, he completed his Ph.D. in History at Harvard under the tutelage of H. Stuart Hughes. His dissertation was later revised into the book The Dialectical Imagination, which covers the history of the Frankfurt School from 1923-1950. Jay's work since then has explored Marxism, socialism, historiography, cultural criticism, visual culture, and the place of post-structuralism and post-modernism in European intellectual history.
He also has a regular column in the quarterly journal Salmagundi.
Jay is Jewish and is the husband of literary critic Catherine Gallagher. >>
Oscar
Jan 8, 2015, 7:04:06 PM1/8/15
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With that, I rest my case.
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 at 9:56:40 PM, Oscar wrote:
>
> Now we're just waiting for J. Martin's apology to Jeffrey Powell, and
> indeed to all those who suffer from mental illness. With comments such
> as this Mr. Martin resembles not so much the all-inclusive, judge-not-
> lest-ye oasis of Barack Obama's America so much as the pompous,
> vicious hatred of Bull Connor's Birmingham, Alabama.
...and so erudite he is!!
On Friday, September 16, 2011 at 11:03:24 AM, D. Nada wrote:
>
> > J. Martin has quoted a famous Musician (obviously) falsely to
> > discredit this expert.
>
> I would have quoted Toscanini, but he was busy with your mama.
Write to:
Prof. Martin Jay
c/o Department of History
University of California, Berkeley
3229 Dwinelle Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-2550
http://history.berkeley.edu/people/martin-e-jay
Employment and Teaching:
Teaching Fellow, Harvard University, 1967-71
Academic Tutor, Black Community School, Columbia, South Carolina, 1967
Assistant Professor of History, University of California, Berkeley, 1971-76
Associate Professor of History, University of California, Berkeley, 1976-82
Senior Associate Member, St. Antony's College, Oxford, 1974-75
Professor of History, University of California, Berkeley, 1982-
Collége Internationale de Philosophie, Paris, Spring, 1985
School of Criticism and Theory, Dartmouth College, Summer, 1986
Visiting Fellow, Clare Hall, Cambridge, January-June 1989
Non-resident Fellow, Humanities Research Institute, UC Irvine, Fall 1989
Mellon Professor, Summer Faculty Seminar, Tulane University, Summer 1990
Fellow of the Townsend Center for the Humanities, University of California, Berkeley, 1991-92
School of Criticism and Theory, Cornell University, Summer 1998
Social Science Research Council Dissertation Seminar, 2009
Fellowships:
University of California Regents' Summer Faculty Fellowship, summer 1973.
Guggenheim Fellowship, 1974-75.
National Endowment for the Humanities, 1974-75 (not accepted).
American Council of Learned Societies, 1978-79 (not accepted).
National Endowment for the Humanities, 1979-80.
American Council of Learned Societies, 1984-85 (not accepted).
Rockefeller Foundation Humanities Fellowship, 1984-85.
Humanities Research Fellowship, U.C.B. - 1988.
American Council of Learned Societies, 1988-89.
Humanities Research Fellowship, University of California, Berkeley, 1993-94
University of California President's Research
Fellowship in the Humanities, 1993-94
Stanford Humanities Center, 1997-98
Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, 2001-2002
National Humanities Center, North Carolina, 2005-2006
American Academy in Berlin, 2010
Regular column for Salmagundi
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 at 9:56:40 PM, Oscar wrote:
>
> Now we're just waiting for J. Martin's apology to Jeffrey Powell, and
> indeed to all those who suffer from mental illness. With comments such
> as this Mr. Martin resembles not so much the all-inclusive, judge-not-
> lest-ye oasis of Barack Obama's America so much as the pompous,
> vicious hatred of Bull Connor's Birmingham, Alabama.
...and so erudite he is!!
On Friday, September 16, 2011 at 11:03:24 AM, D. Nada wrote:
>
> > discredit this expert.
>
> I would have quoted Toscanini, but he was busy with your mama.
Write to:
Prof. Martin Jay
c/o Department of History
University of California, Berkeley
3229 Dwinelle Hall
Berkeley, CA 94720-2550
http://history.berkeley.edu/people/martin-e-jay
Employment and Teaching:
Teaching Fellow, Harvard University, 1967-71
Academic Tutor, Black Community School, Columbia, South Carolina, 1967
Assistant Professor of History, University of California, Berkeley, 1971-76
Associate Professor of History, University of California, Berkeley, 1976-82
Senior Associate Member, St. Antony's College, Oxford, 1974-75
Professor of History, University of California, Berkeley, 1982-
Collége Internationale de Philosophie, Paris, Spring, 1985
School of Criticism and Theory, Dartmouth College, Summer, 1986
Visiting Fellow, Clare Hall, Cambridge, January-June 1989
Non-resident Fellow, Humanities Research Institute, UC Irvine, Fall 1989
Mellon Professor, Summer Faculty Seminar, Tulane University, Summer 1990
Fellow of the Townsend Center for the Humanities, University of California, Berkeley, 1991-92
School of Criticism and Theory, Cornell University, Summer 1998
Social Science Research Council Dissertation Seminar, 2009
Fellowships:
University of California Regents' Summer Faculty Fellowship, summer 1973.
Guggenheim Fellowship, 1974-75.
National Endowment for the Humanities, 1974-75 (not accepted).
American Council of Learned Societies, 1978-79 (not accepted).
National Endowment for the Humanities, 1979-80.
American Council of Learned Societies, 1984-85 (not accepted).
Rockefeller Foundation Humanities Fellowship, 1984-85.
Humanities Research Fellowship, U.C.B. - 1988.
American Council of Learned Societies, 1988-89.
Humanities Research Fellowship, University of California, Berkeley, 1993-94
University of California President's Research
Fellowship in the Humanities, 1993-94
Stanford Humanities Center, 1997-98
Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, 2001-2002
National Humanities Center, North Carolina, 2005-2006
American Academy in Berlin, 2010
Regular column for Salmagundi
Steve de Mena
Jan 9, 2015, 12:54:47 AM1/9/15
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that his birthday was coming up and I wondered what had become of him.
It's been a couple of years at least since we last corresponded. He
just got too strange for me here on the newsgroup and I didn't read
his posts any more. I suspect he might have been having financial
difficulties as it seemed he was selling off a lot of his possessions
on eBat at the time.
Steve
Saint Russell
Jan 9, 2015, 1:31:00 AM1/9/15
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As of May 2014 Powell is listed as a survivor in his mother's obituary.
http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Carole-Powell&lc=9856&pid=171131747&uuid=315daaba-53a0-478f-bafc-b752e3a930d3
As of November 2014 he's still on the voter registration rolls.
http://flvoters.com/by_number/1044/21284_jeffrey_s_powell.html
http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Carole-Powell&lc=9856&pid=171131747&uuid=315daaba-53a0-478f-bafc-b752e3a930d3
As of November 2014 he's still on the voter registration rolls.
http://flvoters.com/by_number/1044/21284_jeffrey_s_powell.html
Herman
Jan 9, 2015, 2:03:08 AM1/9/15
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By which I am not criticizing Don, but you can see what happens next....
Frank Berger
Jan 9, 2015, 11:01:30 AM1/9/15
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is "our" Jeff Powell?
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Sacqueboutier
Jan 9, 2015, 11:57:13 AM1/9/15
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Dan O'Neill
Jan 9, 2015, 12:43:54 PM1/9/15
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Frank Berger <frankd...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:O7CdnTfIqqnKZjLJ...@supernews.com:
>
> Just out of curiosity, how do we know that either of these Jeff
> Powells is "our" Jeff Powell?
>
The Jeffrey Powell listed as a surviving son in Carole Powell's obituary is
definitely not Ansermetniac. Among other mismatches with his stated life
and family history (I don't think he had any family in Florida, the
obituary lists a spouse for Jeffrey), the fact that the service was at
St.Joan of Arc Catholic Church provides a pretty good clue.
Dan
news:O7CdnTfIqqnKZjLJ...@supernews.com:
>
> Just out of curiosity, how do we know that either of these Jeff
> Powells is "our" Jeff Powell?
>
definitely not Ansermetniac. Among other mismatches with his stated life
and family history (I don't think he had any family in Florida, the
obituary lists a spouse for Jeffrey), the fact that the service was at
St.Joan of Arc Catholic Church provides a pretty good clue.
Dan
graham
Jan 9, 2015, 12:48:13 PM1/9/15
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Graham
Oscar
Jan 9, 2015, 12:58:01 PM1/9/15
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 1:03:08 AM, Herman wrote:
>
> Indeed, taking a single FB post as hard evidence is not good practice, and writing about someone as
> dead, who may be alive (and apparently not quite sane, mentally) isn't either.
Tell us about good practice. "Apparently not quite sane, mentally"...we call that 'walking it back' in États-Unis. You've changed yr tune from mocking Powell as a "demented sicko" to using more politically correct term (blanketed with qualifier) because the sicko line was not "good practice"? Is that it??
>
> Indeed, taking a single FB post as hard evidence is not good practice, and writing about someone as
> dead, who may be alive (and apparently not quite sane, mentally) isn't either.
Herman
Jan 9, 2015, 2:39:16 PM1/9/15
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The way you're turning Powell's death (which is far from certain, based on highly dubious material) into yet another hate party is so you. BTW I don't have any recollection of your speaking up for Powell when he was posting here. I doubt you ever did. Perhaps you like him better when you think he's dead.
As I said I'm not blaming Don, but I would have thought it was a better idea to mail people who were on good terms with Powell privately, and inquire, rather than post it out in the open, where other mentally unstable posters such as you immediately make hay out of this thing.
Sacqueboutier
Jan 9, 2015, 2:49:55 PM1/9/15
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is not Carol, and I don't believe she was Catholic. She was Jewish. He got his non-Jewish
name from his father.
Sacqueboutier
Jan 9, 2015, 2:51:29 PM1/9/15
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 1:31:00 AM UTC-5, Saint Russell wrote:
arri bachrach
Jan 9, 2015, 3:01:01 PM1/9/15
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 1:31:00 AM UTC-5, Saint Russell wrote:
AB
arri bachrach
Jan 9, 2015, 3:02:05 PM1/9/15
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AB
graham
Jan 9, 2015, 3:03:09 PM1/9/15
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Graham
Sacqueboutier
Jan 9, 2015, 3:03:23 PM1/9/15
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On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-5, Sacqueboutier wrote:
It's most likely that he succumbed to the illness.
I sent a message to one of his friends, but never heard back.
In any case, I consider Jeff's situation pitious at least and not one to jeer at.
While I took issue with some of the things he said, I always felt kind of sorry
for him.
arri bachrach
Jan 9, 2015, 3:04:22 PM1/9/15
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AB
Sacqueboutier
Jan 9, 2015, 3:08:33 PM1/9/15
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Oscar
Jan 9, 2015, 3:15:05 PM1/9/15
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 1:39:16 PM, Herman wrote:
>
> you're definitely the most creepy guy on this group, Oscar, the way you keep files on posters, research
> their offline life, publish addresses and phone numbers of people you don't like.
Phone numbers?
>
> you're definitely the most creepy guy on this group, Oscar, the way you keep files on posters, research
> their offline life, publish addresses and phone numbers of people you don't like.
> The way you're turning Powell's death (which is far from certain, based on highly dubious material)
> into yet another hate party is so you.
> BTW I don't have any recollection of your speaking up for Powell when he was posting here. I doubt
> you ever did. Perhaps you like him better when you think he's dead.
So, re-posted again for your edification:
On Thursday, September 22, 2011 at 6:11:43 PM, Oscar wrote:
> On Sep 22, 10:19 am, Mark S wrote:
>
> > PP may be a new personality for Jeffrey, a spell-checked personality!
> >
> > As far as PP criticizing Jeffrey - well, the poor fool may be so lost
> > in his multiple personalities that he doesn't know who is doing the
> > talking to whom at any given time.
>
> Is this how you treat people with dissociative identity disorder,
> Mark? Mocking them? Where is the compassion and empathy? If you are
> really convinced this man suffers from mental illness, why say
> anything at all? Why 'pile on'?
On Thursday, March 14, 2013 at 9:56:40 PM, Oscar wrote:
>
> Now we're just waiting for J. Martin's apology to Jeffrey Powell, and
> indeed to all those who suffer from mental illness. With comments such
> as this Mr. Martin resembles not so much the all-inclusive, judge-not-
> lest-ye oasis of Barack Obama's America so much as the pompous,
> vicious hatred of Bull Connor's Birmingham, Alabama.
> As I said I'm not blaming Don, but I would have thought it was a better idea to mail people who were
> on good terms with Powell privately, and inquire, rather than post it out in the open, where other
> mentally unstable posters such as you immediately make hay out of this thing.
"Mentally unstable"? More besmirching and ad hominem attacks, and for what? In order to clear your side of the street, so to speak?? Sorry, your invective toward Mr. Powell the "demented sicko" it's there for all time on usenet. Best quit while you're ahead.
> on good terms with Powell privately, and inquire, rather than post it out in the open, where other
> mentally unstable posters such as you immediately make hay out of this thing.
Grobs
Jan 9, 2015, 3:24:25 PM1/9/15
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I still remember his stated fondness for his vintage Bozak speakers with a Fisher tube amp, his tireless attempts to "re-equalize" the RCA Toscanini CD's (which he condemned), his endless battles with another poster over what is (or is not) an "acoustical engineer", etc., etc. I even enjoyed his off-topic posts on such varied subjects as Gilligan's Island, White Castle Hamburgers, etc.
Dil.
Oscar
Jan 9, 2015, 3:24:58 PM1/9/15
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 1:39:16 PM, Herman wrote:
>
>
> you're definitely the most creepy guy on this group, Oscar, the way you keep files on posters, research
> their offline life, publish addresses and phone numbers of people you don't like.
Oh yeah, I'm sure you were just outraged -- OUTRAGED! -- when the New York Times published the home address of the white Ferguson, Mo. cop -- as yet not indicted of any crime -- from who shot the unarmed black kid during a time of extreme racial tension. Oh yeah, you canceled your subscription forthwith, never to be read again!
> their offline life, publish addresses and phone numbers of people you don't like.
Oscar
Jan 9, 2015, 3:26:47 PM1/9/15
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 2:24:25 PM UTC-6, Grobs wrote:
>
> I even enjoyed his off-topic posts on such varied subjects as Gilligan's Island, White Castle Hamburgers, etc.
Same. When lucid he could be very funny. The 'music liberated from the audio' tag is an all-time catchphrase, in my opinion.
>
> I even enjoyed his off-topic posts on such varied subjects as Gilligan's Island, White Castle Hamburgers, etc.
graham
Jan 9, 2015, 4:53:13 PM1/9/15
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Welsh name. IIRC there were more consonants than vowels.
Graham
O
Jan 9, 2015, 5:03:44 PM1/9/15
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In article <f2f35750-29f5-427b...@googlegroups.com>,
The thing about Jeffrey was, even if you jumped in to agree with his
position by augmenting what he said, he would often take it as a
personal attack and go off on you. You had to explain "Hey, I'm
agreeing with you," but even then he'd suspect otherwise.
He was too easy to set off - too easy a target for the snipers in this
group. There were some trolls who delighted in starting him, but it was
so easy to do, and the results so predictable, that they often tired of
it quickly.
But you're right, we'll always have "music liberated from the audio"
from him.
-Owen
"Go argue with your wife!"
position by augmenting what he said, he would often take it as a
personal attack and go off on you. You had to explain "Hey, I'm
agreeing with you," but even then he'd suspect otherwise.
He was too easy to set off - too easy a target for the snipers in this
group. There were some trolls who delighted in starting him, but it was
so easy to do, and the results so predictable, that they often tired of
it quickly.
But you're right, we'll always have "music liberated from the audio"
from him.
-Owen
"Go argue with your wife!"
Herman
Jan 9, 2015, 6:24:51 PM1/9/15
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 11:03:44 PM UTC+1, O wrote:
>
> The thing about Jeffrey was, even if you jumped in to agree with his
> position by augmenting what he said, he would often take it as a
> personal attack and go off on you. You had to explain "Hey, I'm
> agreeing with you," but even then he'd suspect otherwise.
>
He acted like he paradoxically wanted to be alone here, seen, but without any engagement. Which was why I suggested he build his own website / blog.
>
> The thing about Jeffrey was, even if you jumped in to agree with his
> position by augmenting what he said, he would often take it as a
> personal attack and go off on you. You had to explain "Hey, I'm
> agreeing with you," but even then he'd suspect otherwise.
>
Oscar
Jan 9, 2015, 7:10:14 PM1/9/15
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 5:24:51 PM, Herman wrote:
>
> He acted like he paradoxically wanted to be alone here, seen, but without any engagement. Which
> was why I suggested he build his own website / blog.
Is that what you did?
>
> He acted like he paradoxically wanted to be alone here, seen, but without any engagement. Which
> was why I suggested he build his own website / blog.
On Sunday, May 8, 2011 at 1:09:19 PM, Herman wrote:
> On 8 mai, 09:54, Abbeddrose Bierce wrote:
> >
> > Tepper the foolish ignorant whining Jew.
> >
> > Abbedd
>
> He has a career.
>
> You sit in a basement with your kosher dog.
In the event of someone acting out or sulking in a corner wanting for attention, may I suggest that the grown-up thing to do is just to let the action go unnoticed. Ridicule and mockery is what 8 year-olds do on the playground.
Orchman
Jan 9, 2015, 7:57:49 PM1/9/15
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On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-5, Sacqueboutier wrote:
> I just ran a search on Facebook for Jeffrey and discovered his last FB post
> was in mid-2013. It was a photo of himself as a child. A FB friend, a
> childhood friend I'm assuming, posted "Jeffrey's last post. RIP."
>
> So, I'm guessing Jeffrey has passed on.....
> I just ran a search on Facebook for Jeffrey and discovered his last FB post
> was in mid-2013. It was a photo of himself as a child. A FB friend, a
> childhood friend I'm assuming, posted "Jeffrey's last post. RIP."
>
> Despite all the frustrations in this group, it is with sad regards,
> Don
Omigawd!! I didn't think he was that old....did he have health issues of which we were unaware??...
> Don
I m sorry to hear this..
Orchman
Jan 9, 2015, 8:01:21 PM1/9/15
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On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 5:36:25 PM UTC-5, Sacqueboutier wrote:>
> Jeff tended to pick fights and then complain when his friends
> didn't jump to his defense. That's where we parted company.
> Before that, we had a decent correspondence going and he
> was instrumental in sparking my interest in Ansermet. ......
>My guy feeling is that he may have
> taken his own life in despair after losing his cherished
> Yellow Labrador, having no job, and having to sell just about
> all he owned on Ebay.
>
> I don't really know, but sure hope that's not it.
>
> Don>>
I hope not also - suicide is so sad, so hopeless...
> Jeff tended to pick fights and then complain when his friends
> didn't jump to his defense. That's where we parted company.
> Before that, we had a decent correspondence going and he
> was instrumental in sparking my interest in Ansermet. ......
>My guy feeling is that he may have
> taken his own life in despair after losing his cherished
> Yellow Labrador, having no job, and having to sell just about
> all he owned on Ebay.
>
> I don't really know, but sure hope that's not it.
>
> Don>>
I hope not also - suicide is so sad, so hopeless...
Sacqueboutier
Jan 9, 2015, 8:31:20 PM1/9/15
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During our correspondence, I got the feeling he was dealing
with some sort of illness. Talking about medicine and stuff
like that. He may have finally succumbed to said illness.
jrsnfld
Jan 9, 2015, 8:46:19 PM1/9/15
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I disagreed with him often. I did not understand some of his self-evident truths. But I admit, through the depth of his conviction and his persistence, he opened my ears to much great listening. Probably more so than any but a handful of people here. His effect was actually quite significant on me. I hope this was true for others.
It's a shame if his life was clouded by illness or anger, but it also is sad to think that someone with that unusual level of insight and sincerity--yes, that's the word--has been taken from us prematurely.
I recently bought several discs with fabulous Ansermet performances, knowing full well that Jeffrey Powell was the reason. They are now a fitting testament.
--Jeff
Mr. Mike
Jan 9, 2015, 8:48:31 PM1/9/15
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 13:21:11 -0800 (PST), Sacqueboutier
<lylefra...@live.com> wrote:
>I just ran a search on Facebook for Jeffrey and discovered his last FB post
>was in mid-2013
What is the Facebook URL for his page?
<lylefra...@live.com> wrote:
>I just ran a search on Facebook for Jeffrey and discovered his last FB post
>was in mid-2013
Steve de Mena
Jan 10, 2015, 12:06:45 AM1/10/15
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Steve de Mena
Jan 10, 2015, 12:09:28 AM1/10/15
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On 1/9/15 8:48 PM, Mr. Mike wrote:
(presumably 2013).
Steve
(His sister Debra just a few days ago posted....
Debra Powell to Jeffrey Powell
January 5 at 12:45am ·
REST IN PEACE JEFF
)
Michael Kornhaber
July 15, 2013 ·
Sharing with some of our other friends in HHS and the Westbury
neighborhood, sorry to pass on the sad news about Jeff.
Jeffrey Powell and I were very close from about 13 -17 yrs old even
though we knew each other since we were about 5 years old back in the
days of Jericho Country Club where he was the undoubted tether ball
champion. As we grew older we developed a lot of common bonds; we
played hockey and paddle ball together at Cantiague Park, we saw our
first Monty Python and Rocky Horror movies, shared memorable days at
the Mini Cinema (no need to add to this!) and Good Rat concerts
together. Jeff was a terrific classical french horn musician and had
great taste in real rock and gave me a solid education in great music
that lasts today.
Definitely fond memories of the 70's with Jeff, though we lost touch
over the years we did connect again fairly regularly over FB , where I
enjoyed his regular political shots at the Republicans, the political
satires and taking issue in general with political status quo.
And Jeff was definitely not from the status quo, he saw things from a
different perspective from most of us which added to his deep
intelligence and his unique character that may have been often
mistaken by those who did not really know him.
Jeff you are missed......
Scott SchutzmanHicksville High School Class of '77 35th Reunion
I am sorry to report that Jeff Powell died on April 14. He was my
first friend and I will never forget the trouble we used to get into.
First toast is to Jeff at the reunion on Friday.
Steve de Mena
Jan 10, 2015, 12:13:38 AM1/10/15
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This is from July 2013 on his Facebook page, from his sister:
"
Debra Powell - hi Richard- This is Jeff's sister Debra. I have been
trying to reach Jeff as well and finally spoke with his roommate Paul.
Unfortunately Paul told me that Jeff had a heart attack and passed away."
Steve
"
Debra Powell - hi Richard- This is Jeff's sister Debra. I have been
trying to reach Jeff as well and finally spoke with his roommate Paul.
Unfortunately Paul told me that Jeff had a heart attack and passed away."
Steve
Oscar
Jan 10, 2015, 12:56:01 AM1/10/15
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Thanks for the update, Steve. Very sad. Rest in peace, Jeffrey. In tribute for our dearly departed friend, I would like to nominate one of his inimitable posts for the rmcr Hall of Fame. The following is the original post of thread he started in 2007. Fittingly and sadly, the post had zero follow-up replies. No one listening, or everyone ignoring? It's impossible to know. However, herein is humor, incisive criticism, knowledge, gregariousness. and above all, humanity. Read on and enjoy. (And please excuse my admiring commentary.)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.music.classical.recordings/white$20castle/rec.music.classical.recordings/QpqKs0WQj5o/m5haOpBIEZAJ
On Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 11:28:20 AM, ansermetniac wrote:
>
> Periodically one must eat at White Castle so then one can appreciate
> the taste of real food.
>
> The same with Music. How can we appreciate a fine performance when we
> only listen to our favorite performances.
Now this is Posting 101 straight from the textbook. WHAM-BAM! Roped me in like Calamity Jane. How can you not love this guy from the get-go?!
> Fortunately for me, last night, I heard two of the worst perfromances
> I have ever heard
Oooh, he takes a 180 here, moving from lighted-hearted fun talk about White Castles to stirring the black cauldron of classical music criticism. Take cover!
> 1) Kleiber NBC 1947 Ravel Mother Goose
> 2) Toscanini Verdi Req 1951 Dress Rehearsal -Offertorio
Who said this guy Powell was a unquestioning simpleton Toscanini freak? He just called the great Maestro OUT!
> The Kleiber was stiff as a board and had no Ravelian style. As
> Ansermet said, sometimes a Conductor will play all the notes correctly
> but the Composer will be absent. An off day for Kleiber or is he not
> known for Ravel. The Schubert Sym # 3 on the same concert was not much
> better.
As lucid and reflective criticism as one is able to find on rmcr, or any CM chat group, for that matter.
> The Toscanini was horrible and I was surprised he did not stop and
> yell. It was like Toscanini had never taught this piece before. No
> sublimity where one expects it. But then, when I was expecting the
> Sanctus, the Offertorio was played again and much much better. The
> words that AT used to correct the performance was cut out. I would
> have loved to know what he said.
I would love to listen to you talk about more this performance right now, Jeffrey.
> BTW White Castle from the freezer is not White Castle. it has to be
> cooked on their grill with the onions first. And if you ever see them
> clean the grill, find another White Castle. The burgers will not have
> the true White Castle Taste
>
> Abbedd
God bless you, Jeffrey Powell, you mensch! Rest in peace, my friend.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.music.classical.recordings/white$20castle/rec.music.classical.recordings/QpqKs0WQj5o/m5haOpBIEZAJ
On Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 11:28:20 AM, ansermetniac wrote:
>
> Periodically one must eat at White Castle so then one can appreciate
> the taste of real food.
>
> The same with Music. How can we appreciate a fine performance when we
> only listen to our favorite performances.
Now this is Posting 101 straight from the textbook. WHAM-BAM! Roped me in like Calamity Jane. How can you not love this guy from the get-go?!
> Fortunately for me, last night, I heard two of the worst perfromances
> I have ever heard
Oooh, he takes a 180 here, moving from lighted-hearted fun talk about White Castles to stirring the black cauldron of classical music criticism. Take cover!
> 1) Kleiber NBC 1947 Ravel Mother Goose
> 2) Toscanini Verdi Req 1951 Dress Rehearsal -Offertorio
Who said this guy Powell was a unquestioning simpleton Toscanini freak? He just called the great Maestro OUT!
> The Kleiber was stiff as a board and had no Ravelian style. As
> Ansermet said, sometimes a Conductor will play all the notes correctly
> but the Composer will be absent. An off day for Kleiber or is he not
> known for Ravel. The Schubert Sym # 3 on the same concert was not much
> better.
As lucid and reflective criticism as one is able to find on rmcr, or any CM chat group, for that matter.
> The Toscanini was horrible and I was surprised he did not stop and
> yell. It was like Toscanini had never taught this piece before. No
> sublimity where one expects it. But then, when I was expecting the
> Sanctus, the Offertorio was played again and much much better. The
> words that AT used to correct the performance was cut out. I would
> have loved to know what he said.
I would love to listen to you talk about more this performance right now, Jeffrey.
> BTW White Castle from the freezer is not White Castle. it has to be
> cooked on their grill with the onions first. And if you ever see them
> clean the grill, find another White Castle. The burgers will not have
> the true White Castle Taste
>
> Abbedd
God bless you, Jeffrey Powell, you mensch! Rest in peace, my friend.
Herman
Jan 10, 2015, 3:57:32 AM1/10/15
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"He was my first friend and I will never forget the trouble we used to get into" is a great way of saying it.
What struck me as sad about Powell was that he was not that old, but seemed to have been living in a nostalgic past for a long time. Pretty much everything past the year he was born sucked, compared to the forties and fifties. Or maybe it was the year that mouthpiece shop failed and his friend got in trouble, the details of which made him very upset, and yet he kept talking about it.
Any input regarding this angry nostalgia was rejected with great vehemence. It was his way or the highway.
It's a extreme reminder how spending too much time on the internet is not good for us.
I hope he found peace somehow.
What struck me as sad about Powell was that he was not that old, but seemed to have been living in a nostalgic past for a long time. Pretty much everything past the year he was born sucked, compared to the forties and fifties. Or maybe it was the year that mouthpiece shop failed and his friend got in trouble, the details of which made him very upset, and yet he kept talking about it.
Any input regarding this angry nostalgia was rejected with great vehemence. It was his way or the highway.
It's a extreme reminder how spending too much time on the internet is not good for us.
I hope he found peace somehow.
number_six
Jan 10, 2015, 11:02:43 AM1/10/15
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Here's one of Jeffrey's posts from 2003:
* * *
After 25 years of designing and manufacturing Saxophone Mouthpieces I have
moved on and now work for a Major Music Chain in the educational dept. Need
anything, e-mail me.
My former partner's shrew, broke into our shared AOL account and canceled my
screen names. So the AT Kalinikov etc is gone, Yuba Tuba too. It will take
me a few days or so to get a new AOL account. So my uploads of great music
will be halted for a short while.
I promise even more posts. I will have 7 screen names for myself. This gives
me 140 MBs of storage.
I feel great. A new job, a new car, a new life. My lazy embezzling partner
is left in the dust.
And to all my Landsmen. Please note: I could not have moved on without the
help of my family. When the chips are down, the Jewish Family unit can
always be counted on.
Jeffrey "Abbedd" Powell the "Ansermetniac"
and to those who I promised the AT stereo Pathetique and Rossini Barber.
They are burned and coming soon. Thanks for waiting
* * *
RIP Jeffrey. In a way we were all your Landsmen.
* * *
After 25 years of designing and manufacturing Saxophone Mouthpieces I have
moved on and now work for a Major Music Chain in the educational dept. Need
anything, e-mail me.
My former partner's shrew, broke into our shared AOL account and canceled my
screen names. So the AT Kalinikov etc is gone, Yuba Tuba too. It will take
me a few days or so to get a new AOL account. So my uploads of great music
will be halted for a short while.
I promise even more posts. I will have 7 screen names for myself. This gives
me 140 MBs of storage.
I feel great. A new job, a new car, a new life. My lazy embezzling partner
is left in the dust.
And to all my Landsmen. Please note: I could not have moved on without the
help of my family. When the chips are down, the Jewish Family unit can
always be counted on.
Jeffrey "Abbedd" Powell the "Ansermetniac"
and to those who I promised the AT stereo Pathetique and Rossini Barber.
They are burned and coming soon. Thanks for waiting
* * *
RIP Jeffrey. In a way we were all your Landsmen.
arri bachrach
Jan 10, 2015, 8:36:39 PM1/10/15
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On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-5, Sacqueboutier wrote:
> I just ran a search on Facebook for Jeffrey and discovered his last FB post
> I just ran a search on Facebook for Jeffrey and discovered his last FB post
> was in mid-2013. It was a photo of himself as a child. A FB friend, a
> childhood friend I'm assuming, posted "Jeffrey's last post. RIP."
>
> childhood friend I'm assuming, posted "Jeffrey's last post. RIP."
>
> So, I'm guessing Jeffrey has passed on.
>
> Scanning his FB timeline, shows his usual political rants, a lot
> of the usual music preferences, and a whole lot of photos from
> his childhood. Also two posts, of faithful dogs, both passed. The
> last just in January of 2012.
>
> It was almost as though he was reminiscing, knowing his end
> was near.
>
> I noticed that Stephen De Mena was FB friends with Jeff.
> Steve, any chance you know what became of him?
>
>
> Scanning his FB timeline, shows his usual political rants, a lot
> of the usual music preferences, and a whole lot of photos from
> his childhood. Also two posts, of faithful dogs, both passed. The
> last just in January of 2012.
>
> It was almost as though he was reminiscing, knowing his end
> was near.
>
> I noticed that Stephen De Mena was FB friends with Jeff.
> Steve, any chance you know what became of him?
>
> Despite all the frustrations in this group, it is with sad regards,
>
> Don
I exchanged many CDs with Jeff in the early days before we could send them via the internet.
>
> Don
He confided that he had had mental breakdowns a number of times, that his family was not very sympathetic to his problems. He also sent me some of his horn playing.... it must have been very frustrating for him. His talents were not that srong. Nevertheless he was a very warm person.... I am extremely upset to read about his passing. RIP Jeffrey.
Arri Bachrach
Ray Hall
Jan 10, 2015, 9:58:08 PM1/10/15
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jrsnfld wrote:
> I recently bought several discs with fabulous Ansermet performances,
knowing full well that Jeffrey Powell was the reason.
They are now a fitting testament
At the time (although now with added hindsight) it seemed to me rather
> I recently bought several discs with fabulous Ansermet performances,
knowing full well that Jeffrey Powell was the reason.
They are now a fitting testament
obvious that Jeffrey was suffering from a mental illness. Very sad if he
has indeed passed away, and only goes to show that we must tolerate each
other a trifle more.
His passion for Ansermet was well founded. Ansermet was one of the greats.
May they both be cooking up a session somewhere. RIP.
Ray Hall, Taree
Andrew Clarke
Jan 11, 2015, 7:00:52 AM1/11/15
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 10:20:33 AM UTC+11, Sacqueboutier wrote:
> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 6:15:59 PM UTC-5, Oscar wrote:
> >
> > Apparently, mental illness is a barrel of laughs for some people.
>
> There is a limit to the patience of any person, but it did seem as
> though some here went out of their way to pick at him. It was
> pretty obvious he was suffering from mental illness. I wish he
> had sought help.
He certainly was suffering from a personality disorder. He had this paranoia about having invented the greatest horn mouthpiece ever - and was there a saxophone mouthpiece also? - which the rest of this benighted world refused to accept as standard. He followed this up by attacks on wind players whom the world considered virtuosi - Jack Brymer springs to mind - but who in reality were tenth rate hacks. Given this kind of behaviour, quite a few people lost their patience when debating with him, and frankly, who can blame them?
His attempts to liberate the audio from the whatever usually led to his uploading transfers of his own manufacture, which without fail turned out to be absolutely appalling. Again, everybody else's ears were wrong but not his.
I'm not sure about this, but I seem to remember that his worship of Ansermet could lead to depreciation of other much praised performances of the same works by other conductors and in no uncertain terms.
This of course led to a good deal of friction in an often thin-skinned group like rmcr. For my own part I found it easiest, and maybe kindest, to just stop reading the man.
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
> On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 6:15:59 PM UTC-5, Oscar wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:36:25 PM, Sacqueboutier wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeff tended to pick fights and then complain when his friends
> > > didn't jump to his defense. That's where we parted company.
> >
> > Right. And there is a huge difference between the outright viciousness directed toward Powell by the "progressives", i.e. seek and destroy, and choosing not to jump to defend provocative statements, i.e. opting out.
> > >
> > > Jeff tended to pick fights and then complain when his friends
> > > didn't jump to his defense. That's where we parted company.
> >
> >
> > Apparently, mental illness is a barrel of laughs for some people.
>
> There is a limit to the patience of any person, but it did seem as
> though some here went out of their way to pick at him. It was
> pretty obvious he was suffering from mental illness. I wish he
> had sought help.
He certainly was suffering from a personality disorder. He had this paranoia about having invented the greatest horn mouthpiece ever - and was there a saxophone mouthpiece also? - which the rest of this benighted world refused to accept as standard. He followed this up by attacks on wind players whom the world considered virtuosi - Jack Brymer springs to mind - but who in reality were tenth rate hacks. Given this kind of behaviour, quite a few people lost their patience when debating with him, and frankly, who can blame them?
His attempts to liberate the audio from the whatever usually led to his uploading transfers of his own manufacture, which without fail turned out to be absolutely appalling. Again, everybody else's ears were wrong but not his.
I'm not sure about this, but I seem to remember that his worship of Ansermet could lead to depreciation of other much praised performances of the same works by other conductors and in no uncertain terms.
This of course led to a good deal of friction in an often thin-skinned group like rmcr. For my own part I found it easiest, and maybe kindest, to just stop reading the man.
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Andrew Clarke
Jan 11, 2015, 7:05:08 AM1/11/15
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 10:20:33 AM UTC+11, Sacqueboutier wrote:
> There is a limit to the patience of any person, but it did seem as
> though some here went out of their way to pick at him. It was
> pretty obvious he was suffering from mental illness. I wish he
> had sought help.
If it was paranoia, his refusal to seek help is, sadly, symptomatic. Paranoids believe that everybody is trying to destroy them, and that includes the medical profession.
> There is a limit to the patience of any person, but it did seem as
> though some here went out of their way to pick at him. It was
> pretty obvious he was suffering from mental illness. I wish he
> had sought help.
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Sacqueboutier
Jan 11, 2015, 10:37:42 AM1/11/15
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He could color the facts any way he liked, so I wouldn't take it with a
grain of salt.
Also remember that Jeff could be tough to deal with at times and no one
would know that better than his family. I wouldn't judge them too harshly.
Like you, I had a long email correspondence with Jeff and we shared a
lot of music. At my request, he even toned down his "remastering"
technique, so I must have had a way of talking with him. After he
publicly chastised me for not coming to his defense every time he picked
a fight, we parted company and his remasterings became very severe...
with almost no midrange at all.
All that said, we were cordial for many years. He shared a lot of Ansermet
rips (untouched by him) and I shared a lot R2R transfers and other stuff
with him. In the end, my interest in Ansermet was so keen, that I ended
up buying the discs...some on Japanese issues from hmv, others on
eloquence.
I've also collected a lot of Ansermet reels and LPs...mostly for the
quirky original cover illustrations.
weary flake
Jan 11, 2015, 1:23:15 PM1/11/15
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On 2015-01-11 15:37:40 +0000, Sacqueboutier said:
> Like you, I had a long email correspondence with Jeff and we shared a
> lot of music. At my request, he even toned down his
> "remastering"technique, so I must have had a way of talking with him.
> After he
> publicly chastised me for not coming to his defense every time he picked
> a fight, we parted company and his remasterings became very severe...
> with almost no midrange at all.
> All that said, we were cordial for many years. He shared a lot of Ansermet
> rips (untouched by him)
So he *did* share with you raw rips without his processing?
> Like you, I had a long email correspondence with Jeff and we shared a
> lot of music. At my request, he even toned down his
> "remastering"technique, so I must have had a way of talking with him.
> After he
> publicly chastised me for not coming to his defense every time he picked
> a fight, we parted company and his remasterings became very severe...
> with almost no midrange at all.
> All that said, we were cordial for many years. He shared a lot of Ansermet
> rips (untouched by him)
He *never* did that with the countless posts he made of
links and usenet binaries over the years to usenet,
pretending that unprocessed files were unconscionable.
> and I shared a lot R2R transfers and other stuff
> with him. In the end, my interest in Ansermet was so keen, that I ended
> up buying the discs...some on Japanese issues from hmv, others on
> eloquence.
Eloquence CDs for Ansermet, and the big Sony Toscanini box,
both of which "Abbedd" posted so much of his files of
performances which became those boxes and raved so much about
the recordings being so good but claiming as issued to sound
abominally unlistenable without his processing.
Oh, what about that Cheryl Studer guy?, you know the posts
about the conspiracy to denigrate her singing quality that
had to be posted several times a day for a few years? Reminds
me of ansermaniac, both of whom I "know" exclusively from
usenet.
Sacqueboutier
Jan 11, 2015, 2:15:40 PM1/11/15
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Mr. Mike
Jan 11, 2015, 3:29:52 PM1/11/15
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 04:00:49 -0800 (PST), Andrew Clarke
<andrewc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>His attempts to liberate the audio from the whatever usually led to his uploading transfers of his own manufacture, which without fail turned out to be absolutely appalling. Again, everybody else's ears were wrong but not his.
In keeping with the time-honoured RMCR tradition of speaking ill of
<andrewc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>His attempts to liberate the audio from the whatever usually led to his uploading transfers of his own manufacture, which without fail turned out to be absolutely appalling. Again, everybody else's ears were wrong but not his.
the dead, I was thinking of saying something bad about Powell (since
he really was a PITA at times and was on my "ignore" list for years).
But seeing on his Facebook page that one of the two TV shows that he
liked (at least based on what is posted there) was Hawaii Five-O, in
which I have a certain interest (see http://www.mjq.net/fiveo), maybe
he really wasn't such a bad guy after all...
Andrew Clarke
Jan 11, 2015, 7:37:19 PM1/11/15
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[Silence]
Rabbi: Oh come on already, somebody must have something good to say about the man?
Voice from the back: His brother was worse ...
- The Sopranos.
Oscar
Jan 11, 2015, 9:00:19 PM1/11/15
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On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 6:00:52 AM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>
> He certainly was suffering from a personality disorder. He had this paranoia about having invented
> the greatest horn mouthpiece ever - and was there a saxophone mouthpiece also? - which the rest
> of this benighted world refused to accept as standard.
Jeffrey hated the saxophone!
>
> He certainly was suffering from a personality disorder. He had this paranoia about having invented
> the greatest horn mouthpiece ever - and was there a saxophone mouthpiece also? - which the rest
> of this benighted world refused to accept as standard.
On Saturday, August 21, 2004 5:16:33 PM, ansermetniac wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:54:39, Jim Daloonik
>
> > > A saxophone does not make any sound, musical or otherwise
> >
> > Sure it does. Ever heard a saxophone hit the floor?
> >
> > Oh sorry. You probably never have, it only happens in the REAL world.
>
> I had one run over by a Cadillac
>
> Abbedd
LOL! Did he spend summers in the Catskills apprenticing under Buddy Hackett? :-)
Andrew Clarke
Jan 12, 2015, 12:07:41 AM1/12/15
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On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 1:00:19 PM UTC+11, Oscar wrote:
> Jeffrey hated the saxophone!
So why, in 2003, did he post that he'd spent 25 years of his life designing and manufacturing saxophone mouthpieces?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
> Jeffrey hated the saxophone!
So why, in 2003, did he post that he'd spent 25 years of his life designing and manufacturing saxophone mouthpieces?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Oscar
Jan 12, 2015, 1:42:28 AM1/12/15
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On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 11:07:41 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
>
> > Jeffrey hated the saxophone!
>
> So why, in 2003, did he post that he'd spent 25 years of his life designing and manufacturing saxophone
> mouthpieces?
Sorry for my poor construction of what was intended to be a humorous non-sequitur post built on top of Abbedd's funny tale of vehicular manslaughter of a sax. My post was not made clearly, as I see now in hindsight.
>
> > Jeffrey hated the saxophone!
>
> So why, in 2003, did he post that he'd spent 25 years of his life designing and manufacturing saxophone
> mouthpieces?
Herman
Jan 12, 2015, 2:03:31 AM1/12/15
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On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 7:42:28 AM UTC+1, Oscar wrote:
> On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 11:07:41 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > > Jeffrey hated the saxophone!
> >
> > So why, in 2003, did he post that he'd spent 25 years of his life designing and manufacturing saxophone
> > mouthpieces?
>
> Sorry for my poor construction of what was intended to be a humorous non-sequitur post
Let the man rest in peace.
> On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 11:07:41 PM, Andrew Clarke wrote:
> >
> > > Jeffrey hated the saxophone!
> >
> > So why, in 2003, did he post that he'd spent 25 years of his life designing and manufacturing saxophone
> > mouthpieces?
>
> Sorry for my poor construction of what was intended to be a humorous non-sequitur post
Bastian Kubis
Jan 12, 2015, 4:03:29 AM1/12/15
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On 01/10/2015 02:46 AM, jrsnfld wrote:
> [...]
if you don't mind, I would certainly like to read some of your
recommendations along the lines of "Ansermet for beginners." Off the
top of my head, I only remember the Nuits d'Ete etc. disc accompanying
Crespin, Sibelius 2+4 etc. on Australian Eloquence, and a disc of french
music including the Chausson symphony in my collection. What should I
add most urgently? - Thanks!
Bastian
> [...]
>
> I recently bought several discs with fabulous Ansermet performances, knowing full well that Jeffrey Powell was the reason. They are now a fitting testament.
Jeff, I hope others also consider this the right place to ask for this:
> I recently bought several discs with fabulous Ansermet performances, knowing full well that Jeffrey Powell was the reason. They are now a fitting testament.
if you don't mind, I would certainly like to read some of your
recommendations along the lines of "Ansermet for beginners." Off the
top of my head, I only remember the Nuits d'Ete etc. disc accompanying
Crespin, Sibelius 2+4 etc. on Australian Eloquence, and a disc of french
music including the Chausson symphony in my collection. What should I
add most urgently? - Thanks!
Bastian
Dan Fowler
Jan 12, 2015, 9:05:32 AM1/12/15
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(Not Jeff, having nowhere near Jeff's musical expertise or vocabulary; but
have enjoyed Ansermet performances since the early 1970s so here's my 2
cents)
The French music is a great start, particularly the Debussy. I'm working my
way through the Ansermet French set now, and the first four CDs are
delightful. I would add the double cd of Rimsky-Korsakov with Scherazade,
Christmas Eve suite, and other works; nice assortment with very atmospheric
playing. And, I'm not sure I would start with these given all the
competition, but I was pleasantly surprised by the Beethoven and Brahms
sets. Nicely paced central readings with the orchestra in top form.
--
Dan Fowler
have enjoyed Ansermet performances since the early 1970s so here's my 2
cents)
The French music is a great start, particularly the Debussy. I'm working my
way through the Ansermet French set now, and the first four CDs are
delightful. I would add the double cd of Rimsky-Korsakov with Scherazade,
Christmas Eve suite, and other works; nice assortment with very atmospheric
playing. And, I'm not sure I would start with these given all the
competition, but I was pleasantly surprised by the Beethoven and Brahms
sets. Nicely paced central readings with the orchestra in top form.
Dan Fowler
Charles H. Sampson
Jan 12, 2015, 1:56:43 PM1/12/15
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Andrew Clarke <andrewc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> His attempts to liberate the audio from the whatever usually led to his
> uploading transfers of his own manufacture, which without fail turned
> His attempts to liberate the audio from the whatever usually led to his
> uploading transfers of his own manufacture, which without fail turned
> to be absolutely appalling. Again, everybody else's ears were wrong
> but not his.
I never paid a lot of attention to Mr. Powell, but the above statements
> but not his.
prompt me to respond. I'm very interested in the workings of the brain,
as poorly as we understand them. Knowing what goes on in the brain when
we "hear" something, it's quite possible that the appalling transfers
sounded wonderful to him. If so, it's a shame that he didn't realize
from the fact that he was out of sync with the rest of the world that he
-- his brain -- was probably processing sound incorrectly.
Charlie
--
Nobody in this country got rich on his own. You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for. You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward. Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)
Ed Presson
Jan 12, 2015, 4:48:58 PM1/12/15
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Bastian Kubis <Bastia...@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 01/10/2015 02:46 AM, jrsnfld wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> I recently bought several discs with fabulous Ansermet performances,
>> knowing full well that Jeffrey Powell was the reason. They are now a
>> fitting testament.
>
> Jeff, I hope others also consider this the right place to ask for this:
> if you don't mind, I would certainly like to read some of your
> recommendations along the lines of "Ansermet for beginners." Off the
> top of my head, I only remember the Nuits d'Ete etc. disc accompanying
> Crespin, Sibelius 2+4 etc. on Australian Eloquence, and a disc of french
> music including the Chausson symphony in my collection. What should I
> add most urgently? - Thanks!
>
> Bastian
news:227479942442763395.2552...@news.newsguy.com...
>(Not Jeff, having nowhere near Jeff's musical expertise or vocabulary; but
>have enjoyed Ansermet performances since the early 1970s so here's my 2
>cents)
>The French music is a great start, particularly the Debussy. I'm working my
>way through the Ansermet French set now, and the first four CDs are
>delightful. I would add the double cd of Rimsky-Korsakov with Scherazade,
>Christmas Eve suite, and other works; nice assortment with very atmospheric
>playing. And, I'm not sure I would start with these given all the
>competition, but I was pleasantly surprised by the Beethoven and Brahms
>sets. Nicely paced central readings with the orchestra in top form.
Brahms. I'd also recommend his Prokofiev Fifth Symphony that's included
in a 2-CD set. A pointillist interpretation that works just fine.
In general, I'm not happy with Ansermet's Stravinsky; even though this
conductor
went out of his way to promote and record Stravinsky's music.
Ed Presson
Sacqueboutier
Jan 12, 2015, 5:12:09 PM1/12/15
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the stereo Three Cornered Hat of de Falla.
Christopher Webber
Jan 12, 2015, 5:13:56 PM1/12/15
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On 12/01/2015 22:12, Sacqueboutier wrote:
> If you have only one Ansermet recording, it must be
> the stereo Three Cornered Hat of de Falla.
... or his first 'Pelleas...'
> If you have only one Ansermet recording, it must be
> the stereo Three Cornered Hat of de Falla.
John Wiser
Jan 12, 2015, 5:19:09 PM1/12/15
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"Ed Presson" <pe...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:m91ffb$48b$1...@dont-email.me...
He led a monoaural Renard with
Sénéchal, Cuenod, Rehfuss, &Depraz
(in French) which I find nonpareil. There is no current availability that I know of.
His later English-language recording in stereo doesn't work nearly so well.
His Prokofiev 5th and even more the 6th are permanent contenders.
jdw
Sénéchal, Cuenod, Rehfuss, &Depraz
(in French) which I find nonpareil. There is no current availability that I know of.
His later English-language recording in stereo doesn't work nearly so well.
His Prokofiev 5th and even more the 6th are permanent contenders.
jdw
Ray Hall
Jan 12, 2015, 7:55:59 PM1/12/15
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Sacqueboutier wrote:
>
> If you have only one Ansermet recording, it must be
> the stereo Three Cornered Hat of de Falla.
>
http://www.classicalsource.com/db_control/db_cd_review.php?id=4615
>
> If you have only one Ansermet recording, it must be
> the stereo Three Cornered Hat of de Falla.
>
The above is a bit of info about Ansermet and recordings.
I always found him clean, uncluttered, with a deal of transparency
orchestrally. His Rimsky is well worth owning. I always ignored the
usual piffle about the Suisse Romande being second rate. It wasn't. But
neither was it the world's best either. Ansermet used his orchestra to
best effect.
Ray Hall, Taree
Steve de Mena
Jan 13, 2015, 2:12:09 AM1/13/15
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familiar, I must have visited it many times before. Will bookmark it
and try & visit more often.
I don't know why I didn't go to the 1996 Mahalo Con in Burbank. (I
live in Los Angeles).
Steve
Steve de Mena
Jan 13, 2015, 3:03:33 AM1/13/15
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On 1/12/15 2:18 PM, John Wiser wrote:
> He led a monoaural Renard with
> Sénéchal, Cuenod, Rehfuss, &Depraz
> (in French) which I find nonpareil. There is no current availability
> that I know of.
> His later English-language recording in stereo doesn't work nearly so
> well.
> His Prokofiev 5th and even more the 6th are permanent contenders.
>
> jdw
There is a 1955 (I believe) STEREO "Renard" with the above artists on
> He led a monoaural Renard with
> Sénéchal, Cuenod, Rehfuss, &Depraz
> (in French) which I find nonpareil. There is no current availability
> that I know of.
> His later English-language recording in stereo doesn't work nearly so
> well.
> His Prokofiev 5th and even more the 6th are permanent contenders.
>
> jdw
this 4 CD Australian Decca Eloquence set. Only $25.46.
Stravinsky-Ansermet: The First Decca Recordings Box set
Amazon.com: http://bit.ly/1IG4wHt
Steve
jrsnfld
Jan 13, 2015, 3:52:48 AM1/13/15
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On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 6:05:32 AM UTC-8, Dan Fowler wrote:
> (Not Jeff, having nowhere near Jeff's musical expertise or vocabulary; but
> have enjoyed Ansermet performances since the early 1970s so here's my 2
> cents)
>
> The French music is a great start, particularly the Debussy. I'm working my
> way through the Ansermet French set now, and the first four CDs are
> delightful. I would add the double cd of Rimsky-Korsakov with Scherazade,
> Christmas Eve suite, and other works; nice assortment with very atmospheric
> playing. And, I'm not sure I would start with these given all the
> competition, but I was pleasantly surprised by the Beethoven and Brahms
> sets. Nicely paced central readings with the orchestra in top form.
I long had a bias against Ansermet's orchestra because it was bothersome to hear intonation problems, especially in the winds. Revisiting his Coq d'Or suite tonight, I'm again hearing some imperfections, but overall these are not necessarily "problems" unless you're trying to separate the best from the good. More significantly, I felt a little too much sanity and restraint for me not to recommend this as a first choice. It's a characterful, colorful performance in clear, close, balanced perspective, but it doesn't go far enough. The fine engineering is part of the charm, but for better drama and perhaps even better color Golovanov is preferable. For better (or at least, equivalent) engineering with more refined playing and maybe even more drama, similar doses of color, go for Maazel. In other words, Ansermet is fine as he goes, but not a world-beater. I fear this will be the result if one does comparisons across his legacy--excellent sound, excellent color, not always great power or the most distinctive interpretations: enough to establish intelligent conducting and tasteful, stylish renditions.
> (Not Jeff, having nowhere near Jeff's musical expertise or vocabulary; but
> have enjoyed Ansermet performances since the early 1970s so here's my 2
> cents)
>
> The French music is a great start, particularly the Debussy. I'm working my
> way through the Ansermet French set now, and the first four CDs are
> delightful. I would add the double cd of Rimsky-Korsakov with Scherazade,
> Christmas Eve suite, and other works; nice assortment with very atmospheric
> playing. And, I'm not sure I would start with these given all the
> competition, but I was pleasantly surprised by the Beethoven and Brahms
> sets. Nicely paced central readings with the orchestra in top form.
But then there's his Beethoven 5, which remains a surprise after so many listens. Direct and (some tempo jockeying in the first movement aside) simple, but powerful, clear, exciting, musical. Very stylish, compelling. This, to me, is some of Ansermet's best and the rest of the Beethoven is basically at the same level. I'm also very fond of the complete Nutcracker. There's more that I'd like to revisit over the next few days. If I can locate my LP of Weber overtures I'd like to start there--those were, like the Beethoven, surprisingly apt renditions. Schumann symphonies, too.
Of the listening I did today, Don's recommendation of De Falla's 3 Cornered Hat stands as pretty much the best Ansermet could do in the studio, arguably the first-choice recording of the work.
Out of the studio, there's more flexibility that gives you a better idea of Ansermet's true character. The live Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique with the OSR, on Cascavelle, for example, has more shape and passion than much of Ansermet's studio work. The orchestra's color is put to great use; the individual soloists prove most expressive. Exactly as you'd hope for a concert. There's a snippet of a televised lecture-demonstration-performance of La Valse on YT with the OSR that also shows an orchestra superbly responsive to Ansermet's nuanced rubato--again, not what you'd expect from the studio recordings because it is daringly expressive, not simply tasteful and rhythmically alert (ballet seems to be one of Ansermet's enduring strengths).
I remember thinking highly of the Sibelius and Prokofiev but I need to re-listen.
Sorry, no expertise there, just some opinions! :-)
--Jeff
Willem Orange
Jan 13, 2015, 4:41:53 AM1/13/15
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Sacqueboutier
Jan 13, 2015, 5:42:02 AM1/13/15
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joey7c...@yahoo.com
Jan 13, 2015, 8:11:14 AM1/13/15
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http://tinyurl.com/nqxuxad
There have been 3 big Ansermet boxes released in the last couple of years (Ansermet/Russian, Ansermet/French, Ansermet/Other). These three boxes offer about 96 Ansermet/Decca CDs in print.
Dil.
danielf...@gmail.com
Jan 13, 2015, 5:16:23 PM1/13/15
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René Gagnaux has very kindly posted a large collection of Ansermet recordings, many of them from broadcasts, which may be downloaded:
http://www.rene-gagnaux.ch/ansermet_ernest/index.html
/Daniel
http://www.rene-gagnaux.ch/ansermet_ernest/index.html
/Daniel
Andrew Rose
Jan 16, 2015, 10:22:30 AM1/16/15
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On Sunday, 11 January 2015 03:58:08 UTC+1, Ray Hall wrote:
>
> His passion for Ansermet was well founded. Ansermet was one of the greats.
>
> May they both be cooking up a session somewhere. RIP.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
I defy anyone who's ever had a presence here to listen to or think about Ansermet without Jeffrey Powell also crossing their minds. For all that he (among others) was enough to drive me out of here and seek other outlets I'm sad to hear of his passing. In my mind there's always be a newsgroup somewhere just out of range, with Jeffrey ranting on about something in his own inimitable way. RIP
>
> His passion for Ansermet was well founded. Ansermet was one of the greats.
>
> May they both be cooking up a session somewhere. RIP.
>
> Ray Hall, Taree
I defy anyone who's ever had a presence here to listen to or think about Ansermet without Jeffrey Powell also crossing their minds. For all that he (among others) was enough to drive me out of here and seek other outlets I'm sad to hear of his passing. In my mind there's always be a newsgroup somewhere just out of range, with Jeffrey ranting on about something in his own inimitable way. RIP
Bozo
Feb 18, 2015, 7:34:00 AM2/18/15
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>On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 9:22:30 AM UTC-6, Andrew Rose wrote:
> I defy anyone who's ever had a presence here to listen to or think about Ansermet without Jeffrey >Powell also crossing their minds
The Suisse Romande starts first US tour since 2003, under Dutoit :
> I defy anyone who's ever had a presence here to listen to or think about Ansermet without Jeffrey >Powell also crossing their minds
http://www.wqxr.org/#!/story/charles-dutoit-swiss-orchestra/
Bozo
Mar 1, 2015, 10:23:25 AM3/1/15
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>On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 12:42:28 AM UTC-6, Oscar wrote:
> Sorry for my poor construction of what was intended to be a humorous non-sequitur post built on >top of Abbedd's funny tale of vehicular manslaughter of a sax.
For those who would like more individual or group sax, here is a lady and a group :
> Sorry for my poor construction of what was intended to be a humorous non-sequitur post built on >top of Abbedd's funny tale of vehicular manslaughter of a sax.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/classicalconcertreviews/11423522/Scottish-Ensemble-Sax-Serenade-with-Amy-Dickson-The-Queens-Hall-Edinburgh-review.html
Both have cd's I have not heard ; I believe the Glazunov Concerto is the only saxophone concerto I've ever heard, although of course some great moments in the Rachmaninoff Symphonic Dances.
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