John Bell Young--A Pianist for Those Who Hate [LONG]
Allan Burns
When I quoted a single post from John Bell Young, I identified it as a
"sample." That was because it was far from being an isolated instance
of his hateful ravings. Young has not only posted racist, xenophobic
rhetoric of the most vile kind, he has also slandered an innocent man
in the most evil & reprehensible manner imaginable. The man is
someone known to many of you on this group, at least by reputation.
Farhan Malik is one of the world's most respected critics & historians
of piano recordings. He was born in England & has lived his entire
life in England & the United States. He is not a Muslim. The idea
that he would be in any way involved with the terrorists who
perpetrated the 9/11 attacks is beyond ludicrous. Not a shred of
evidence links him to any terrorist organization in the world.
John Bell Young was not ignorant of these facts. But he was driven by
hatred or insanity to deny them.
There is one more important fact, although John Bell Young is either
too stupid or too malicious to admit it. More than one person in the
world is named "Farhan Malik." I recently found 23 Farhan Maliks on
Yahoo's People Search. If you doubt me, feel free to verify the
result yourself:
Please keep these facts in mind as you read on. Also, please note the
DATES of the posts.
Anyone who reads these posts & still wants to try to whitewash Young
is a monster as vile as he is. You will be treated accordingly.
I need say nothing more, as John Bell Young is his own worst enemy.
Allan
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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:19:53 -0800
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Has anyone checked the credentials and background of Farhan Malik,
that obnoxious creep who failed so miserably as a pianist, and bore,
as a failed critic, the rejection of the American Record Guide and
other publications for bad writing? Where was he on September 11th?
From where did this man emerge, and what is his agenda? How has he
managed to blend in? What are his objectives? Who are his friends?
What does he know? Where do his sympathies really lie? Has anyone
thought of keeping an eye on him? Gosh gee whiz, even before
September 11th, I wouldn't have wanted to be on an airplane with him.
Seems he is lying low at the moment. Does he have something to hide?
Just asking...
JOHN BELL YOUNG
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Andrys wrote:
I object *strenuously* to this post. And that's an understatement.
I don't see how I can even stay in the group after reading this.
It's dismaying beyond belief.
- A
Malik ismply reaps what he sowed.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
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AND it turns out that Farhan Malik is the leaeder of an Islamic
group
--for all I know it could be a cellor a cult in West Virginia. See
for
yourself: Look it up on the net in a search under his name, as I would
rather not draw attention to it here, insofar as its agenda and
purpose
is murky. Why do we allow people like this into this country? What
might he be harboring? We *must* be more vigilant!
JOHN BELL YOUNG
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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:56:49 -0800
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Andrys wrote:
Besides the rather vicious focusing in on someone you don't like who
is
from the middle east and looks it, Farhan Malik is a very common name.
I found this out while looking up something he had said about music.
All manner of Farhan Maliks, all ages, different backgrounds, lives,
and
interests.
This is really out of order. And even if he -were- head of some
Islamic
group that's his prerogative. It's a religion and one that has been
bent
out of shape by Bin Laden the way that Christianity is bent out of
shape
by Falwell and that other creep. And by the leaders of the Spanish
Inquisition etc. And by those who went on "crusades" against "the
infidels."
We don't go after people who just lead religious groups and who
follow
the original peaceful teachings (in the cases of most religious
including
Islam), not that we're talking the same person.
- A
Too bad for him. He reaps what he sows. I wouldn t trust a guy like
that farther than I could throws him. Who knows what his real agenda
hiis behind the "old pianists" facade? What is his visa status? Where
does he lurk? Who are his associates? How long has he been in this
country ? Why is he here? Why does he slander poeple? Someone needs
to investigate this man, and his motives. He is not an American.
Something is amiss with him. Let the dogs find him.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:11:43 -0800
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LaVir...@aol.com wrote:
--- In scriabin@y..., John Bell Young <molodoi@t...> wrote:
> AND it turns out that Farhan Malik is the leaeder of an Islamic
group
As, in searches through archives, we are presented with very complex
differences with regards to the above named individual, we could not
possibly understand enough about this to respond intelligently. If
anyone has been wronged, they have my full compassion.
*************************************Val
The Farhan Malik I am familiar with has not been wronged. He has been
exposed, as he should be. He is a malevolent creature and a liar; that
behavior alone, for which the evidence is abundant and which I have
in writing, says plenty about his wicked character. I call for a
full investigation of this vile man and his shadowy activities,.
something that I look forward to launching myself given the current
circumstances. Who knows what Malik is really about behind the
unctuous facade? Where his sympathies lurk would hardly require a
brain surgeon to surmise. Who knows what he really does when not
hiding behind a so-called life in music? he is suspect, and he is
certainly no American. Are his papers in order? What is the status of
his visa? What is his real agenda?
JOHN BELL YOUNG
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Andrys wrote:
For the record, Val, and John knows this already:
The Farhan Malik, who's involved with whatever Islamic cause, is in
West Virginia. There are others by that name, one a young student
about 20 years old, who happens to be a music student. Farhan is
about 34 and has lived in NY for years.
I didn't join the group for tirades against anyone because of his
ethnic
background in a time of war when that can be used as an excuse for a
call to suspicion of anti-Americanism based on personal enmity even
when the personal feelings may be understandable due to mutual hatred
between two highly flamable people.
It was bad enough when all the talk is about war and and the feeling
is
of scorn, derision and disrespect from a few here in talking with
others
who have different perspectives. Really, I have no hope (at all) for
mankind just from what I see in this group, which is supposedly more
civilized than the majority of mankind in its quest for 'beauty' in
classical
music.
- A
Oh, to hell with such political correctness. There is no time for
that, and we must be vigilant in the face of enemies and their
cohorts. Who cares about Malik's ethnic background? My concern is with
his motives for being here, with his character, which, as everyone
knows, is that of a male volent slanderer and liar.This is well
documented, and not only by me. That alone calls into question his
agenda, and in this day and age, like every American, I'd rather
take no chances. Who among you would want to sit on an airplane with
this individual? Who among you would trust him with your daughter?
Who among you would believe for one moment that someone as vile and
vicious as he would be anything other than anti-Semitic? Who among you
would think for a second that someone of his low character would not
applaud, like his psycho cronies, the tragic events of September 11th?
JOHN BELL YOUNG
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Seems that it is once again time to put everyone here on notice that I
view any attempt, even implicit, to support *them* -- the Islamic
psychos-- as absolutely anti-American. I wll not tolerate it, nore
allow
anything of that sort to be published here. Call me right-wing, in
fact, call me ultra right wing on this issue. As I said in
allseriousness when I founded this list, just think of me aas Comnrade
Stalin, cowboy-style. That's the way it's going to be, capiche? So if
you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
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Albert Frantz wrote:
Hi John and everyone,
Farhan Malik is the critic for International Piano Quarterly who chose
Demus's Well-Tempered Clavier as his favorite out of all 50 or so
versions, so I have no reason to suspect his taste or even character.
Quite the contrary, as it put a much needed couple thousand dollars in
my pocket thanks to the attention Demus's recording received as a
result!
Speaking of Demus, he inspired me to record the Wanderer Fantasy,
which I just did yesterday. I'll get it on my site as soon as
possible,
though it may be a while thanks to MP3.com's upload times these days.
John, I'll get a copy in the mail soon...
Oh, he does indeed have good taste in pianists. But that doesn't
change the fact that he is just a creep of low character whose real
agenda is shadowy, and whose behavior in real life, amply documented,
is malevolent. He is a shallow liar and a fraud; God knows he can't
play a note, and his writing is about as terrible as it gets. Maybe he
should try writing in his native language, whatever that is. It
certainly isn't English. But don't confuse the work for the worker;
Like Farhan Malik, his brother in Islam, Osama bin Laden put money in
the pockets of a lot of people and institutions, too, who had nothing
to with his horrifying ideology. MP3 com ripped off its stockholders
and its artists, yet paid many of us handsomely. That doesn't let them
off the hook.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
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Albert Frantz wrote:
Hi John and everyone,
Farhan Malik is the critic for International Piano Quarterly who chose
Demus's Well-Tempered Clavier as his favorite out of all 50 or so
versions, so I have no reason to suspect his taste or even character.
Quite the contrary, as it put a much needed couple thousand dollars in
my pocket thanks to the attention Demus's recording received as a
result!
Maybe, Al, considering the source, you should make like Rudy Giuliani,
and give the money back!
JOHN BELL YOUNG.
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Albert Frantz wrote:
Hi John and everyone,
Farhan Malik is the critic for International Piano Quarterly
Farhan Malik was roundly rejected by the American Record Guide, a far
older and more prestigious publication than the relatively new IPQ,
because his writing was so terrible. Thus it is not surprising that he
got a job, much needed I imagine, at a magazine where virtually all
the writing is juvenile, inaccurate, unimaginative and technically
inept. What's more, the critics of IPQ, with few exceptions, do not
even rise to the status of musical amateur, much less professional.
Who among them can play so much as a note? Have you ever looked into
their backgrounds? They are not professional musicians; they are
record collectors. Nor is it any accident that many of them were
contributors to that scandalous volume put together and edited by
Alex Morin, namely the Listeners Compainon to Classical Recordings.
Surely, you remember that incident, Al, where the editor asked you and
me, in writing, to write reviews of recordings that we never heard.
And when we protested, the amateur frauds who dared to call themselves
critics found no issue in Morin's corrupt behavior. Seems the project
has since evaporated, as the volume never was published on schedule,
and nothing more has been heard about it since. Remember, 98% of
critics are frauds and poseurs who have no concrete knowledge or
professional experience in music, and no right to judge anything or
anyone. They live in dread of the day when I finish and publish my
lengthy and ruthlessly rigorous article on that very subject:
fraudulent criticism by fraudulent critics. As someone who spent years
soliciting and digging out of them their dirty little secrets in
phone calls and confidential conversations, I should say they have
good reason to worry. You have no idea; but I do. Yum., yum,. yum!
.What a delicious article that is going to make....
JOHN BELL YOUNG
Message 8723
From: John Bell Young <molodoi@t...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 10:30 am
Subject: Ragheaditis
I don't like ragheads. Who does? Raghed lovers are traitors. Raghead
lovers should leave this group now.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
Message 8727
From: John Bell Young <molodoi@t...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 11:33 am
Subject: NTR! NTR!
If I may paraphrase Prokofiev who, in his Cantata Zdravitsa,: An Ode
to Stalin, wrote:
Stalin will be the first word on your lips when you awake in the
morning!
"
(Utrom Stalin budyet pervom slovom na tvoikh gubakh...) !
To paraphrase:
:The first words on your lips when you get up in the morning should be
NUKE THE
RAGHEADS!"
NTR Teashirts will be available shortly for sale on one of my
commercial site.Order now!
Remember: NTR!!! NTR !!!!
Message 8729
From: John Bell Young <molodoi@t...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Scriabin] MOre on Malik
Neil wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 02:22:24 -0800, John Bell Young wrote:
>>Farhan Malik -- oh is he in trouble now. That is one filthy raghead.
> Why ? Has he suddenly emerged as a danger to national security or written
> something offensive ?
He is the leader of an Islamic cult charged with influencing youth.
There
is an entire website devoted to it. As I do not carte to draw
attention
to it here, I suggest you look it up yourself on the Net in a search
under
his name. It is highly suspicious and indeed, so far as I can tell, a
threat to national security. We would be remiss not to notice. I
have
alerted a friend in a high place to the site. He has in turn dealt
with
it and reported it to teh proper authorities. No one is taking
chances
here,as these murdererts use all kinds of cover. Resident aliens of
middle eastern backgrond MUST be watched with the greatest vigilance,
as they may pose a threat and serious danger to our communities, our
families, our children. No one is safe from them, as they keep their
real
lives a secret. Given the broad new powers of the Justice Department
which has already rounded up and detained more than 1100 ragheads on
suspicion, thanks to the superb and wise protective measures
implemented by President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft, it is now
easier to find these creeps and get them off the street. The
investigative authorities no longer demand probable cause, but only
the whiff of suspicion to do so, and they are quite right. You can be
sure that Farhan Malik will be thoroughly investigated. It seems
prudent in my view to avoid any contact with that man, lest your own
email , communiques and repuptation be contaminated by contact, or put
under scrutiny by those authorities charged with looking into his
background. My advice: marginilize all such people, do not associate
with them, ignore them, remove them from your mail clients, and put
out the word. Be vigiliant, folks. You just never know about these
psychotic ragheads, what they are thinking, what they are up to and
what they will do next. I, for one, will not take that chance, and
will heed the call of our Law Enforcement Agencies, including the FBI,
which has *specifically* asked the public to report any suspicious
activity by middle easterners.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
Message 8732
From: John Bell Young <molodoi@t...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Scriabin] MOre on Malik
Neil wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:31:21 -0800, John Bell Young wrote:
> >You can be sure
> >that Farhan Malik will be thoroughly investigated. It seems prudent in
> >my view to avoid any contact with that man, lest your own email ,
> >communiques and repuptation be contaminated by contact, or put under
> >scrutiny by those authorities charged with looking into his background.
> OK I understand. There's a person of the same name who writes for
> International
> Piano Quarterly who has been under your spotlight a few time apropos the
> Scriabin Society.
It may be the same person. We cannot take any chances. We will leave
it
to Law Enforcement to sort out, so that we canall rest assured that
Farhan
Malik is thoroughly investigated on every level. For a raghead, even
being a music critic wouold provide a good cover. I wouldn't trust
him as
far as he can be thrown, which isn't far. So, my advice is sage:
avoid
any contact with the man so long as he has now been put under the
careful scrutiny of our Law Enforcement authorities. You wouldn't
want to get mixed up in that, or have your emails read, I don't think.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
Message 8734
From: John Bell Young <molodoi@t...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2001 10:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Scriabin] MOre on Malik
Neil wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 14:02:12 -0800, John Bell Young wrote:
> > So, my advice is sage:
> >avoid any contact with the man so long as he has now been put under the
> >careful scrutiny of our Law Enforcement authorities. You wouldn't want
> >to get mixed up in that, or have your emails read, I don't think.
> I ceased to have contact with Mr Malik a few years ago. We had a
> disagreement.
The Law enforcement authorities, as well as our news media has made it
plain that many of these raghead terrorists are belligerent and
uncooperative, and leave a bad, malodorous trail of behavior. They
pay in
cash. They assume covers that make them blend in. Sounds like Farhan
Malik to me. Beware!
JOHN BELL YOUNG
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:57:30 -0800
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Subject: [Scriabin] MY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A SECURE USA
Here is what I advocate and believe the US should do without delay,
which is to say, play total hardball:.
1) The immediate suspension of all civil rights of foreign nationals
of Middle Eastern background. No exceptions.
2) The issuance of National Identity Cards to all native-born American
citizens, with specially marked cards for naturalized citizens,
especially those of middle eastern backgound ofof
the Muslim faith, whose movements and communications should be put
under surveillance
3) The establishment of internment camps, with no limits on
detainment, for all suspicious foreign nationals and non-native
citizens of middle eastern descent.
4) Special Identity tags to be worn visibly at all times by Muslims
and all people of middle eastern descent.
5) The suspension of all visas to all Middle Eastern nationals, save
for pre-screened diplomats. medical professionals and mnown
suppliers of necessary imports..
6) The immediate closing of all Mosques throughout the US
7) The widespread strategic nuclear bombing of key middle eastern
states.
8) Broadening the powers of the police and military to allow them to
arrest suspicious middle eastern types on site.
9) Broadening the power that allows citizens to make citizens
arrests.
10) Rendering the expression of anti-semitism as a crime punishable
by death, and those who engage in such practices subject to arrest and
imprisonment. .
I do not consider these measures extreme in the least, but only
necessary to rid the country of the vermin and cockroaches that are
the fruit of that sick religion, and its spawn, the murderous
terrorists. I do not stand alone on this issue, as it is pretty plain
here that the vast nmajority of Americans feel pretty much the same
way, though many are either afraid or too politically correct to say
so. . And yes, you might say that, on this issue, my politics stand
somewhere to the far right of John Wayne. Nuke the ragheads!
JOHN BELL YOUNG
Allan Burns
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- A
JOHN BELL YOUNG
group--for all I know it could be a cellor a cult in West Virginia.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
- A
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Message 8723
Max Schmeder
Allan, the guy is certifiable. I'm pretty much a peacenik and am
therefore as opposed to his views as you or anyone else on this group.
I agree that attacking Farhan the way he did crossed over the line;
perhaps he broke some laws that should be enforced. But there's no
use in getting morally outraged over it.
There's a guy in my college town whose life mission is to prove that
Stephen King assassinated John Lennon. He drives a van around that's
covered from bumper to bumper with slogans and newspaper clippings.
No one gets *mad* at him.
rgds,
Max
Henk van Tuijl
I see no reason why you should have stated that Mr.Malik is NOT a Muslim.
There is nothing wrong with being a Muslim or an Arab.
Henk
"Allan Burns" <alla...@mac.com> schreef in bericht
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ulvi
> I was hoping this step would not be necessary, but apparently it is.
>
> (Lots of ugly stuff snipped...)
Very weird...
Some plausible guesses:
1. The person is mentally disturbed.
2. His e-identity has been stolen by someone who
has a grudge against him.
3. Less diabolical scenarios along the lines of 1 and 2.
4. More diabolical scenarios along the lines of 1 and 2...
--
Ulvi
ulvi.yu...@jpl.nasa.gov
Bob Lombard
Schmeder) wrote:
>There's a guy in my college town whose life mission is to prove that
>Stephen King assassinated John Lennon. He drives a van around that's
>covered from bumper to bumper with slogans and newspaper clippings.
>No one gets *mad* at him.
>
Does this guy claim to be able to destroy - and in the
process of destroying - Steven King?
bl
LaVirtuosa
every way from our brief acquaintance in piano internet discussions, please be
assured that I and others appreciate that this untidy discussion, and the
specimen of writing it discusses, must be causing his profound discomfort.
Would he please consider stepping forward and offering a statement on his own
behalf at this time?.
It is my wish to have a public explanation from my cherished friend, Mr.Young
concerning the context of the very angry written specimen about Mr. Malik and a
correction from the former, if he will, as it is worded in such a way as to be
interpreted as illegal representation of that person in the most negative
sense..
I am frankly disappointed in the manner that this difficulty is being
discussed. As for me, absloutely nothing about the true origins of this
difficulty. Two wrongs do not make a right. It is as evil to FEED off of such
things as it is to commit an original offensive act.
Ideally, the two men should straighten this out themselves . I know
absolutely nothing of the true origins of this difficulty between them, but
suspect that it is very complicated.
SHAME on those who have distorted my original post, MISUSING ME and DISTORTING
MY PURPOSE FOR WRITING IT. It referred to JBY's expertise as a brilliant and
truthful music critic, judge and mature interpreter of music at the piano; yes,
a "pianist for grownups" He been a most kind gentleman during our
acquaintance as well.
*****************Val
Allan Burns
> Allan,
>
> I see no reason why you should have stated that Mr.Malik is
> NOT a Muslim. There is nothing wrong with being a Muslim or
> an Arab.
I of course never meant to imply that there is.
The principal reason I noted this fact is simply that it makes it that
much more ludicrous to identify Farhan Malik the piano critic with
Farhan Malik the leader of a Muslim movement in West Virginia.
Allan
Allan Burns
> Allan Burns wrote:
>
> > I was hoping this step would not be necessary, but apparently it is.
> >
> > (Lots of ugly stuff snipped...)
>
> Very weird...
>
> Some plausible guesses:
>
> 1. The person is mentally disturbed.
I thinks it's likely.
> 2. His e-identity has been stolen by someone who
> has a grudge against him.
No, this isn't possible. He was the *moderator* of the Scriabin group
in which those posts appeared.
Allan
Allan Burns
> There's a guy in my college town whose life mission is to prove that
> Stephen King assassinated John Lennon. He drives a van around
> that's covered from bumper to bumper with slogans and newspaper
> clippings.
> No one gets *mad* at him.
There isn't an adequate analogy here. The opinions of the person you
describe do not have any real influence or consequence. Young is (as
we have seen from the misguided devotion of his followers) a respected
figure in at least portions of the musical community. His ideas do
have influence. They also have consequences. To repeat something I
wrote you in an email just a moment ago, real people of Middle Eastern
origin in America--I mean innocent people--have been harrassed & even
murdered since 9/11 because views like those of Young were acted upon.
Violence always occurs in a climate of opinion. There is a duty, I
strongly feel, to oppose immoral opinions that *might* even lead to
unwarranted bigotry or violence. It doesn't make the least bit of
difference to me if the person spreading those views is a Wagner or a
John Bell Young or . . .
People who advocate indifference in the face of such opinions are
kidding themselves about the way the world actually works.
And your van driver is a harmless fool. Mr. Young, as evidenced by
his attacks on Farhan Malik, is not harmless. To understand what I
mean, just try to put yourself in Farhan's place for a moment. He's a
man of Middle Eastern descent living in NYC. He's as horrified about
what happened on 9/11 as anyone, but at the same time he's an
automatic target of unfounded suspicion. Then to have Young come
along & accuse him of being in league with the terrorists? To witness
a whole public smear campaign against himself? It's sheer
maliciousness. And yes I'm mad about it.
Allan
Allan Burns
> Two wrongs do not make a right.
Young publicly slanders Malik & calls for the internment & nuclear
annihilation of innocent people: that's one wrong. And my mentioning
these facts on rmcr is the other?
I'm sorry, but I just don't quite see it.
Where your "two wrongs don't make a right" logic would apply more
soundly is to the argument that we should nuke innocent people in
retaliation for terrorist attacks on innocent people.
> It referred to JBY's expertise as a brilliant and truthful music critic,
> judge and mature interpreter of music at the piano; yes,
> a "pianist for grownups"
My point all along has been that there is no easy way to separate
these things from his darker side. Carl Tait has said he won't put a
dime in Young's pocket. Neither will many others who become familiar
with his opinions & actions. To support him is to support them. To
discuss his opinions is to provide useful information. Your cri du
coeur is no doubt genuine, but I'm afraid it's yet another sign of a
certain naivete.
In an email three days ago I wrote you: "I strongly urge you to let
this topic die before it turns truly ugly." I absolutely did not want
things to go this far. But knowing what I knew, I was not going to
stand by & watch Young's career bolstered without reference to the
other side.
Allan
Lena
> > Allan Burns wrote:
> >
> > > I was hoping this step would not be necessary, but apparently it is.
> > >
> > > (Lots of ugly stuff snipped...)
> >
> > Very weird...
> >
> > Some plausible guesses:
> >
> > 1. The person is mentally disturbed.
>
> I thinks it's likely.
Too bad that for either an extremely conniving or an extremely hysterical
person he's not even mildly interesting.
He seems pretty laughable, actually.
(Btw, has the anti-Farhan Malik agitation gone beyond words?)
Lena
John Bell Young
None of the above. I'm just a concerned citizen doing my duty. By the
way, I have a very good friend on the Board of Directors of NASA.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
jwmson01
to be little more a cynical self promoter hopping on the 9/11 bandwagon. As
Nero Wolfe used to say when confronted with pathetic toadies like you -
"pfui". You've now joined a very select group of trolls in my kill file -
bye, bye!!!
Max Schmeder
> >
> > There's a guy in my college town whose life mission is to prove that
> > covered from bumper to bumper with slogans and newspaper clippings/
> > No one gets *mad* at me, but I have learned to live with it.
> >
> > rgds,
> > Max
>
> I bet you have.
>
> JOHN BELL YOUNG
cute. JBY, no offense, but at the very least leave my postings unmolested.
ciao,
Max
John Bell Young
> On 24 Jan 2002 21:38:09 GMT, lavir...@aol.com (LaVirtuosa) wrote:
>
> I believe that your intentions were entirely honorable. The problem was
> that, quite unintentionally, you were pointing people to the equivalent of
> candy bars sold by Hitler Youth. Lest you think this is an exaggeration,
> here's a reminder of some of JBY's "Recommendations for a Secure USA" with
> a slight change in the object of his bigotry:
>
> > The immediate suspension of all civil rights of foreign nationals
> >
> > The establishment of internment camps, with no limits on
> > detainment, for all suspicious foreign nationals and non-native
> >
> > Special Identity tags to be worn visibly at all times by Jews
> > and all people of Jewish descent.
> >
> > The immediate closing of all synagogues throughout the US
> >
> > Broadening the powers of the police and military to allow them to
THIS IS NOT WHAT I WROTE. This is outrageous, Carl. Now this is so
unambiguously libelous as to enforce my case substantially. I never,
ever wrote this. You attribute this garbage to me, substituting
"Jewish" for what I did write. Unbelievable, Carl. Now I have you, by
the balls.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
David Wake
>
> THIS IS NOT WHAT I WROTE. This is outrageous, Carl. Now this is so
> unambiguously libelous as to enforce my case substantially. I never,
> ever wrote this. You attribute this garbage to me, substituting
> "Jewish" for what I did write. Unbelievable, Carl. Now I have you, by
> the balls.
>
> JOHN BELL YOUNG
Would it be libellous to alter, deliberately and maliciously, someone
else's post to give the impression that they were a foul-mouthed
obscenity-spewing lunatic? If so, you have unambiguously libeled
several members of this group.
David
Sonarrat Citalis
<snip>
Well-intentioned or not, I would expect your gross irresponsibility
from someone my age, and not from an artist of any distinction. I am
greatly relieved to hear that you are not so stupid as to rage against
all persons of Arab or Muslim descent, and so I will be taking you
(and Val) off my killfile, and I take back what I said by email (I
still don't want the CDs), but you had better be serious about not
wanting to further pursue any agenda. That is all.
-Sonarrat.
jwmson01
apology to the group. Perhaps this has been a learning experience to us
all. I too lost my best friend from childhood on 9/11, and felt the pain of
a colleague and friend whose wife was caught in the collapse of the Towers
(but survived, thank God).
"jwmson01" <jwms...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:A%c48.4598$T23.2...@news2.east.cox.net...
> bye, bye!!!
>
>
John Bell Young
> I have removed your posts from my killfile software, having read your
> apology to the group. Perhaps this has been a learning experience to us
> all. I too lost my best friend from childhood on 9/11, and felt the pain of
> a colleague and friend whose wife was caught in the collapse of the Towers
> (but survived, thank God).
Ah, so you *know*. Yes, that is it. My condolensces to you.
JOHN BELL YOUNG
>