best ever recording of Liszt Sonata in B minor
Godowsky
for me the greatest recording is the Horowitz recording from the
around 1932.
But I would like to know what others think.
I have also heard Argerich but, - well, - still the Horowitz is my
favorite.
Best regards
Godowsky
Henk van Tuijl
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It is a great recording - although
Horowitz still sees it too much as
an opportunity to show off his
octaves.
A more recent recording I rather
like is Ranki's (probably OOP)and
I have excellent memories of
Magaloff's interpretation (also
OOP) - played in the same vein as
his famous recording of the
Paganini Etudes.
If you want louder and faster than
Argerich avoid these two
interpretations at all costs ...
Henk
Dan Koren
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No one performance captures all the
facets of this unique masterpiece. My
favorites include Richter, Cliburn,
Gilels, Ernst Levy and Igor Zhukov.
I absolutely hate Horowith and Argerich
in the Liszt Sonata. They catch all the
octaves and miss all the music.
If I had to pick just one performance,
that would have to be Ernst Levy.
dk
Dan Koren
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Oh I forgot to mention: Pletnev's 2nd
recording on DG is a masterpiece of
restraint, construction and subtle
shading.
But that's at the very opposite end
of the spectrum from the fast bang
approach taken by Horowitz and
Argerich.
dk
Baldric
and Gilels from his 1966 live concert at the festival of Aix-en-Provence
Cheers
Baldric
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>> I'm trying to find some good recordings of the Liszt B minor sonata, -
>> for me the greatest recording is the Horowitz recording from the
>> around 1932.
>>
>> But I would like to know what others think.
>>
>> I have also heard Argerich but, - well, -
>> still the Horowitz is my favorite.
If you haven't acquired the first Arrau performance on Philips, then
this piece must still remain unknown to you.
Although quirky, both Pletnev performances are also very interesting.
Neither of the Horowitz performances is interesting. Too many wrong
notes in the first, the second is just mannered and hampered by H's
failing technique.
Argerich is too fast, and by a long shot.
But quite frankly, I would be quite happy if I never heard another
performance of this overworked masterpiece.
TD
Ivailo Partchev
the thing you might want to compare with.
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Andy Evans
Gilels.
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Zimerman.
Dan Koren
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Sounds too fussy and calculate to my ears.
dk
Bob Lombard
wrote:
Other pianists seem to be much more impressed with the '32 Horowitz
than I am as a 'pure' listener. The '77 Horowitz is ugly. I enjoy
Nojima's (on Reference) and Barenboim's (OP?) among several good
recorded performances. The work is apparently easy to screw up, but
it's been recorded so many times...
bl
Dan Koren
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>
> I'll be naughty and say Brendel.
You *are* naughty.
Brendull *CANNOT* play the work.
The recordings have been spliced
with hundreds of fixes. I heard
Brendull twice struggle with the
work in recital. Complete train
wrecks. He missed more than half
the notes. He didn't sound like
he was making a mistake here and
there. He sounded like he could
not play it at all -- i.e. there
was no discernible sense of
structure or direction.
> The Horowitz is unbeatable but
None of Horowitz' recordings of
the Sonata have anything to say
musically.
> Brendel is the thing you might
> want to compare with.
Then we all win!! 'cause pretty
much anyone can play the Sonata
better than Brendull.
dk
Dan Koren
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... and it's still easy to screw up.
Most pianists screw it up from the
first note.
dk
Matthew燘. Tepper
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There is no "best"; but some of the ones I enjoy the most are Richter,
Horowitz (1932), and -- sheerly as pianism though admittedly without the
greatest interpretative insights -- Barere.
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It does seem _careful_ to me, which can lead to your descriptives.
Still, it works well enough to be enjoyable.
bl
Samir Golescu
This is a very easy one for me: Ernst Levy. I'd have troubles though
choosing the second one -- there are many wonderful ones.
regards,
SG
Sam
wrote:
>... and it's still easy to screw up.
>
>
>Most pianists screw it up from the
>first note.
How many have heard Duchable's 1985 performance on Erato? It is
commanding, bold, sweeping, technically impeccable. Even Dan Koren
could like it.
Steve Molino
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Does the piano explode at the end?
XYZ XYZ
listened to the Gilels (RCA), Argerich and Horowitz (30s)
and perferred the fast ones to the slow one. Gilels is about
three minutes slower (the piece takes about half an hour).
Horowitz sounds more restrained than Argerich and I prefer
Horowitz.
But this is not a piece I especially like now (and I liked
it a lot when I first heard it about ten years ago).
What are people's impressions of the Gilels Schubert coupling
on the RCA disc? (I think it's D850.) I haven't listened
to it too carefully but plan to.
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Dick Grayson
wrote:
Call me crazy but I tend to like Van Cliburn's recording.
deac...@yahoo.com
Those words could be used for anything Mr. Duchable recorded. Question
is: is it involving?
TD
Sol L. Siegel
>Most pianists screw it up from the first note.
Since a diminuendo is called for on that note, it's no surprise.
-Sol Siegel, Philadelphia, PA
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wrote:
>Call me crazy but I tend to like Van Cliburn's recording.
Why would we call you crazy?
Cliburn has the hands for the big moments and the patience for the
slow moments and the brains not to fuck up most anything he chose to
play.
TD
Sol L. Siegel
>I'm trying to find some good recordings of the Liszt B minor
>sonata...
Another vote for Ernst Levy. Nojima, its polar opposite
interpretatively, is another favorite of mine. So is Fialkowska,
whose mid-'70s recording is one of those I'm not wasting any
time hoping for a CD issue of. (Is that grammatical?)
Good but not as good: Arnaldo Cohen, Fleisher, Pogo.
I haven't heard the analog Arrau; if it comes close to a live
performance I heard him give in the late '70s it would rank near
the top. His digital remake is a large disappointment - this is
one work you surely should not play if you're past your
technical prime and having to make allowances. At that, it's
better than the ghastly Horowitz RCA stereo remake.
Samir Golescu
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:12:11 GMT, Dick Grayson <nos...@thanks.you>
wrote:
> Call me crazy but I tend to like Van Cliburn's recording.
Why? It's a very good version. I'd like to hear a live V. C. version from
the '70s, though, if it exists. Among Van Cliburn's merits is his capacity
to grant depth to the balance of the double-octaves by paying special
attention to the 5th finger in the left hand, which "leads" (color-wise)
the double-octaves. It may seem trivial but it makes for a difference in
sound. I also like the ample sound he gets in he climax of the "middle"
movement (the fff F Sharp Major peroration) and other things as well, of
course.
regards,
SG
Samir Golescu
How many Sofro versions are out there? I remember a 1960 or so live
version which was absolutely memorable musically but seriously flawed
technically, with heavy octaves and signs of fatigue in the climaxes.
Matthew B. Tepper
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> Another vote for Ernst Levy. Nojima, its polar opposite
> interpretatively, is another favorite of mine.
I like the Nojima, too, which has the added attraction of an excellent
recording. I also have his Ravel CD; has he recorded anything else?
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>
>> Another vote for Ernst Levy. Nojima, its polar opposite
>> interpretatively, is another favorite of mine.
>
>I like the Nojima, too, which has the added attraction of an excellent
>recording. I also have his Ravel CD; has he recorded anything else?
Yes. A Japanese concerto - twice - and an LP for EMI in Japan which
included the Brahms Paganini Variations.
TD
Dick Grayson
wrote:
>
>On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:12:11 GMT, Dick Grayson <nos...@thanks.you>
>wrote:
>
>> Call me crazy but I tend to like Van Cliburn's recording.
>
>Why?
..He says in jest. Thought it hadn't been mentioned yet. Oops.
>It's a very good version. I'd like to hear a live V. C. version from
>the '70s, though, if it exists. Among Van Cliburn's merits is his capacity
>to grant depth to the balance of the double-octaves by paying special
>attention to the 5th finger in the left hand, which "leads" (color-wise)
>the double-octaves. It may seem trivial but it makes for a difference in
>sound. I also like the ample sound he gets in he climax of the "middle"
>movement (the fff F Sharp Major peroration) and other things as well, of
>course.
>
>regards,
>SG
Very insightful observations, agreed. On the abstract side, he seems
to give the piece a sublime grandeur air to it IMHO.
Not sure about a full live recording, but this video has Cliburn
practicing the sonata circa 1966;
Steve Emerson
bach_g...@hotmail.com (Godowsky) wrote:
> I'm trying to find some good recordings of the Liszt B minor sonata, -
> for me the greatest recording is the Horowitz recording from the
> around 1932.
>
> But I would like to know what others think.
>
> I have also heard Argerich but, - well, - still the Horowitz is my
> favorite.
Richter, Sofronitsky, Levy. I think given your apparent taste in the work,
you'll like them all.
I have yet to hear Gilels, either Pletnev, Cliburn...
SE.
Steve Emerson
Samir Golescu <gol...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
Having looked at the LP discography just now, I believe this is the only one.
I have it on LP and two CD incarnations, all identical.
I confess I am not bothered in the least by the problems you mention.
SE.
Samir Golescu
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Steve Emerson wrote:
> > How many Sofro versions are out there? I remember a 1960 or so live
> > version which was absolutely memorable musically but seriously flawed
> > technically, with heavy octaves and signs of fatigue in the climaxes.
>
> Having looked at the LP discography just now, I believe this is the only one.
> I have it on LP and two CD incarnations, all identical.
Um, I would have hoped. . .
> I confess I am not bothered in the least by the problems you mention.
Oh, I adore that recording but after having suffered at (or benefited
from, the jury is still out on that one) Simon Roberts -- Dave Hurwitz's
"rmcr school of facts" I try to present the downsides of the recordings I
like, as well.
For the very little that's worth, I was 18 when I first heard Sofro's
recording and I've been tremendously impressed by the pianist's
transcending technique even when there were obvious technical
difficulties, as well as by the truly visionary character of his
interpretation. Sofro treats the rhythms in the score extremely liberally
-- at times it sounds like "The Well Tempered Chaos" -- and I feel that
mostly there's musical/artistic reasoning behind what he's doing. However,
let me point at that passage in the "first movement", where the theme is
presented in a second inversion C Major, chords in the right hand, with
ascending scalar octaves in triplets in the left hand -- I simply feel
that Sofro is stretching the first bar because the octaves are tough and
then accelerates in the second bar which is much more manageable
pianistically.
Nevertheless, nitpicking apart, the grandeur of the vision of the whole
is, in my experience, unforgettable.
regards,
SG
Paul Goldstein
Golescu says...
>
>
>On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Steve Emerson wrote:
>
>> > How many Sofro versions are out there? I remember a 1960 or so live
>> > version which was absolutely memorable musically but seriously flawed
>> > technically, with heavy octaves and signs of fatigue in the climaxes.
>>
>> Having looked at the LP discography just now, I believe this is the only one.
>> I have it on LP and two CD incarnations, all identical.
>
>Um, I would have hoped. . .
>
>> I confess I am not bothered in the least by the problems you mention.
>
How about the Cortot? It holds my attention more than most performances of this
piece, I'll say that.
Paul Goldstein
Ian Pace
> the thing you might want to compare with.
>
>
Some people very much rate Bolet's recording (maybe there's more than
one?) but I don't know that. Arrau is interesting for a different
perspective. I'm not much of a Pollini fan, but his recording might
appeal (totally different from Horowitz in particular, and more
'organic' in concept certainly than Horowitz, but also compared to
Brendel). Levy's is interesting to listen to once or twice; his tempo
shifts, where nothing is marked, seem a rather facile way of proving a
particular theory, and only detract from the experience to me.
Best,
Ian
Sol L. Siegel
>How about the Cortot? It holds my attention more than most
>performances of this piece, I'll say that.
Knew I was forgetting somebody...
LaVirtuosa
about the piece--it needs a dramatist. It should suggest the flames
of hell itself in certain places, the devil mocking God, God himself,
pure romantic love, all played in one breath.
Anyone who performs this work has to perform this type of music
regularly in order to be accustomed to the sort of massive demands on
the nervous system which this music requires for a convincing
interpretation. The focus should not be on how good someone's "piano
playing" or the technical side of getting to the notes--the player
having, as the cliche goes, more technique than the piece demands.
It should be overwhelming in its dramatic thrust, leaving the audience
lathered with sweat and wilted in their seats.
***********Val
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>I like Levy and will also search out the early Arrau, but just a word
>about the piece--it needs a dramatist. It should suggest the flames
>of hell itself in certain places, the devil mocking God, God himself,
>pure romantic love, all played in one breath.
>
>Anyone who performs this work has to perform this type of music
>regularly in order to be accustomed to the sort of massive demands on
>the nervous system which this music requires for a convincing
>interpretation. The focus should not be on how good someone's "piano
>playing" or the technical side of getting to the notes--the player
>having, as the cliche goes, more technique than the piece demands.
>It should be overwhelming in its dramatic thrust, leaving the audience
>lathered with sweat and wilted in their seats.
>
>***********Val
I agree, Val. The experience is extremely rare in the recording
studio, and almost as rare in concert.
There is a more Apollonian view of the piece, however, which has its
place as well.
TD
Steve Emerson
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> I wish I'd heard Pletnev 2 and Levy, but in their absence I'd also second
> Gilels.
Which Gilels do you like?
thx,
SE.
Dan Koren
Gilels' D850 is one of the greatest, alongside
Richter's and Schnabel's. However, if you want
(or can afford) only one performance, Schnabel
is the one to keep.
dk
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Dan Koren
One word: dopamine.
dk
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Is this French Canadian (I mean diplomatic speak)
for those who cannot really play the music?
dk
Dan Koren
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>
> I'll second Brendel - it's excellent.
It is a completely moronic view of the
music -- plus he cannot play it.
> Horowitz from the 1930s also.
Mechanical.
> Some people very much rate Bolet's
> recording (maybe there's more than
> one?) but I don't know that.
Fanfare (was that Leslie Gerber?) put
it quite aptly: "Bolet plays it the
way everyone would play it -- if
they could".
> Arrau is interesting for a different
> perspective.
Proof that an arthritic pianist could
play it?
> I'm not much of a Pollini fan,
Quite a suprise -- one would have
thought you would like performances
by other Communists.
> but his recording might appeal
> (totally different from Horowitz in
> particular, and more 'organic' in
> concept certainly than Horowitz,
> but also compared to Brendel).
Baby Kant finally babbling again.
What wwere you trying to say?
> Levy's is interesting to listen to
> once or twice; his tempo shifts,
> where nothing is marked,
And why would that matter?
> seem a rather facile way of proving a
> particular theory,
A theory? What theory? Whose theory?
What are you talking about? Music
performance is not logical discourse.
But I suppose it takes one to know one.
Or is Kant speaking again through your
mouth?
> and only detract from the experience
> to me.
At least it isn't only President Bush
who makes you unhappy.
dk
Dan Koren
> wrote:
>
> >... and it's still easy to screw up.
> >
> >
> >first note.
>
> could like it.
But I didn't. He screwed up at the first note.
dk
Dan Koren
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> On 16 Oct 2003 02:52:34 -0700, bach_g...@hotmail.com (Godowsky)
> wrote:
>
> Call me crazy but I tend to like Van Cliburn's recording.
>
Not at all, it is one of the very best.
dk
deac...@yahoo.com
wrote:
>
No, it's an approach which is only for those who are able to hear!
TD
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>>
>> I'll second Brendel - it's excellent.
>
>
>It is a completely moronic view of the
>music -- plus he cannot play it.
Well, he certainly can't if you are deaf, that's for sure.
>> Some people very much rate Bolet's
>> recording (maybe there's more than
>> one?) but I don't know that.
>
>
>Fanfare (was that Leslie Gerber?) put
>it quite aptly: "Bolet plays it the
>way everyone would play it -- if
>they could".
Gerber should stick to baby food.
So should Bolet!
TD
Dan Koren
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> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:38:47 GMT, "Dan Koren" <dank...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Ian Pace" <i...@ianpace.com> wrote in message
> >news:5c1c8892.03101...@posting.google.com...
> >>
> >> I'll second Brendel - it's excellent.
> >
> >
> > It is a completely moronic view of the
> > music -- plus he cannot play it.
>
> Well, he certainly can't if you are
> deaf, that's for sure.
Interesting point of view. Are you
saying that Brendel is incapable of
hering his own wrong notes? Wow! I
suppose that explains everything.
BTW your reply sounds like "either
you're dead or my watch is broken"
-- remember who said that?
> >> Some people very much rate Bolet's
> >> recording (maybe there's more than
> >> one?) but I don't know that.
> >
> > Fanfare (was that Leslie Gerber?) put
> > it quite aptly: "Bolet plays it the
> > way everyone would play it -- if
> > they could".
>
> Gerber should stick to baby food.
>
> So should Bolet!
Just in case you didn't notice,
Bolet has been on a baby food
diet for quite some time.
dk
Henk van Tuijl
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Indeed, there is a vast difference between
the Dante and the B Minor sonata. Liszt
has his Apollonian moments and the B Minor
is one of those - IMO, of course.
Henk
Andy Evans
I prefer the live version for it's adrenalin, but the studio version is good in
its different way.
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Richter, Sofronitsky, Levy, Gilels, Cliburn, Arrau and Brendel!
Duchable is the worst piano virtuoso that I have ever heard, - I know
that he will stop playing the piano soon and thats only many years too
late, - what a vaste of good fingers :-(
Again, thanks for your help.
Best regards
Godowsky
"after all, don't you like truffels and minths?"
lem
I find the Brendel great, especially in the slow movement just
preceding the fughetta, beautifully played with poise and stillness, and
really bringing out the meditative mystical element present in Liszt
that many performers fail to see. (Brendel also does this with the end
of Pensee Des Morts). I grew up listening to the Bolet edition (in the
80s it was the only Liszt records my local record shop stocked so I cant
view them very objectively) but the Bolet is very convincing although a
bit on the interpretively 'safe' side. Like Sofronitsky isn't. Richter
seems to have set the mould for interpreting this work, nearly all
interpretations now seem to play safe follow his lead, maybe it is time
for labels to release some wild re-readings, who knows it may shift more
units....;)
lem
Matthew B. Tepper
> Hi, thanks all for your comments, - I'll try to get:
>
> Richter, Sofronitsky, Levy, Gilels, Cliburn, Arrau and Brendel!
>
> Duchable is the worst piano virtuoso that I have ever heard, - I know
> that he will stop playing the piano soon and thats only many years too
> late, - what a vaste of good fingers :-(
Well, we could resume bashing Pommier.
Matthew B. Tepper
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If there are others, I'd like to know how they compare with the RCA.
Scott Graham
out for me are:
Levy
Sofronitsky
Richter
Arrau (especially his live recording on Ermitage/Aura)
Curzon (studio recording on Decca)
Gilels
Scott Graham
Salinas, CA
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>I'm trying to find some good recordings of the Liszt B minor sonata, -
>for me the greatest recording is the Horowitz recording from the
>around 1932.
>
>But I would like to know what others think.
>
>I have also heard Argerich but, - well, - still the Horowitz is my
>favorite.
>
>Best regards
>
>Godowsky
Steve Emerson
aeatarts...@aol.comnohawker (Andy Evans) wrote:
> Which Gilels do you like?>>
>
> I prefer the live version for it's adrenalin, but the studio version is good
> in its different way.
Thanks, Andy. The studio I know is RCA. There are several live, to wit:
10/10/1961 - Moscow (Melodiya, Chant du Monde etc)
20/7/1966 - Aix-en-Provence (AS Disc, M&A etc)
18/8/1970 - Salzburg (Orfeo)
8/8/1975 - Salzburg (Fachmann (great name))
So you have ____?
Anyone else care to comment? Baldric I believe mentioned the 1966...
Thx,
SE.
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>> Hi, thanks all for your comments, - I'll try to get:
>>
>> Richter, Sofronitsky, Levy, Gilels, Cliburn, Arrau and Brendel!
>>
>> Duchable is the worst piano virtuoso that I have ever heard, - I know
>> that he will stop playing the piano soon and thats only many years too
>> late, - what a vaste of good fingers :-(
>
>Well, we could resume bashing Pommier.
If you simply have to take out your frustrations with Chirac - how
silly, like sticking pins in dolls, but whatever - you would be far
better to select someone like Entremont, who deserves almost anything
you could say about him, unlike both Duchable and Pommier.
TD
Dan Koren
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> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:00:20 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
>
>
> If you simply have to take out your frustrations with
> Chirac - how silly, like sticking pins in dolls, but
> whatever - you would be far better to select someone
> like Entremont, who deserves almost anything you could
> say about him, unlike both Duchable and Pommier.
>
He certainly does not deserve to be called a pianist.
dk
Wayne Reimer <wrdsl
<...>
>
> Most pianists screw it up from the
> first note.
>
Most humans screw up, merely by breathing. It doesn't seem to stop them.
wr
Wayne Reimer <wrdsl
says...
> vod...@aol.comexitspam (Sol L. Siegel) appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:20031016144137...@mb-m07.aol.com:
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> > Another vote for Ernst Levy. Nojima, its polar opposite
> > interpretatively, is another favorite of mine.
>
> I like the Nojima, too, which has the added attraction of an excellent
> recording. I also have his Ravel CD; has he recorded anything else?
>
>
Figures...you're into science fiction, right? Nojima plays like some well-
designed, but ultimately soulless, android. He/It creeps me right out.
wr
Dan Koren
"Wayne Reimer @pacbell.net>" <wrdsl<delete> wrote in message
news:MPG.19fa68c47...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> > In article <3f8eab48$1...@news.meer.net>, dank...@yahoo.com says...
> <...>
> >
> > Most pianists screw it up from the
> > first note.
> >
>
> Most humans screw up, merely by breathing.
One doesn't have to buy their recordings.
> It doesn't seem to stop them.
Nor you.
dk
deac...@yahoo.com
wrote:
><deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
You will be happy to learn that he has given it up in favour of the
baton. Used to conduct in New Orleans, but has migrated to Vienna. Go
figure. Anyway nobody has seen him recently in any event. Just fallen
off the radar-scope.
TD
deac...@yahoo.com
LOL!
And I can think of one in particular.
TD
deac...@yahoo.com
It is, in truth, rather intimidatingly flawless, Wayne. But I do think
your reactions are over the top. "Creeps you out"?
Even more than Michelangeli on a good day? Really?
TD
Van Eyes
news:20031016144137...@mb-m07.aol.com
> Another vote for Ernst Levy.
I doubt if I'll buy another B Sonata, having been dissatisfied with
Brendel, Gilels, Argerich, and others), but I'm curious, where is one to
find the Levy CD?
Regards
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following letters to be typed in
> In article <Xns94167F5F517...@207.217.77.206>,
> oy兀earthlink.net says...
>> vod...@aol.comexitspam (Sol L. Siegel) appears to have caused the
>> following letters to be typed in
>> news:20031016144137...@mb-m07.aol.com:
>>
>> > Another vote for Ernst Levy. Nojima, its polar opposite
>> > interpretatively, is another favorite of mine.
>>
>> I like the Nojima, too, which has the added attraction of an excellent
>> recording. I also have his Ravel CD; has he recorded anything else?
>>
>>
> Figures...you're into science fiction, right? Nojima plays like some
> well-designed, but ultimately soulless, android. He/It creeps me right
> out.
Surely you don't want me to begin my "Glenn Gould was a robot" spiel again,
do you? (After all, I did recently see a metal simulacrum of him, that
bronze sculpture on the bench on King Street in Toronto.)
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deac...@yahoo.com
<van...@excite.com> wrote:
>"Sol L. Siegel" <vod...@aol.comexitspam> wrote in message
>news:20031016144137...@mb-m07.aol.com
>
>> Another vote for Ernst Levy.
>
>I doubt if I'll buy another B Sonata, having been dissatisfied with
>Brendel, Gilels, Argerich, and others), but I'm curious, where is one to
>find the Levy CD?
>
>
>Regards
Try Norbeck, Peters.
Or Marston.
But since you haven't yet tried Arrau, I suggest you save your money.
TD
Paul Goldstein
Eyes says...
>
>"Sol L. Siegel" <vod...@aol.comexitspam> wrote in message
>news:20031016144137...@mb-m07.aol.com
>
>> Another vote for Ernst Levy.
>
>I doubt if I'll buy another B Sonata, having been dissatisfied with
>Brendel, Gilels, Argerich, and others), but I'm curious, where is one to
>find the Levy CD?
Marston
Paul Goldstein
Van Eyes
news:sdt2pvkah45s49aoo...@4ax.com
> But since you haven't yet tried Arrau, I suggest you save your money.
Yup, one of the others...so I will save my money.
BleakSwerve
Opinions?
Not released on CD as far as I know; the site mentions other discs of her
playing which also seem to be unavailable. BIS has released a new disc of her
compositions, which I haven't heard.
Tim Lenz
Moscow, and also Krystian Zimmerman. Of these, my favorite is probably
Richter's (I love how he plays the fugue). Has anyone heard Cziffra's
recording of this piece?
Tim Lenz
Ithaca, NY
Wayne Reimer <wrdsl
>
>
> > >
> > > Most pianists screw it up from the
> > > first note.
> > >
> >
> > Most humans screw up, merely by breathing.
>
>
> One doesn't have to buy their recordings.
>
>
> > It doesn't seem to stop them.
>
> Nor you.
>
Was there any attempt to claim otherwise?
wr
Henk van Tuijl
"Tim Lenz" <tc...@Nospam.cornell.edu> schreef in bericht
news:pan.2003.10.18....@Nospam.cornell.edu...
> I've got Horowitz's terrible '77 version, a live recording of Richter in
> Moscow, and also Krystian Zimmerman. Of these, my favorite is probably
> Richter's (I love how he plays the fugue). Has anyone heard Cziffra's
> recording of this piece?
Yes, it is a good interpretation but
not Cziffra's best Liszt - nor is it
one of the better interpretations of
the sonata.
Henk
Godowsky
3 hours with 6 different versions of the sonata to try to find the
best version.
The 6 participants were: Polini, Argerich, Li Yun-Di, Cziffra,
Horowitz and some one that I have forgot?!?!
Well, - the Horowitz 1932 recording was the winner over Li Yun-Di's
version.
Interesting that the panel of 3 persons eliminated the Argerich and
Polini versions very early in the program.
Still I think the Clifford Curzon version is the best!
Regards
Godowsky
Dick Grayson
<oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
I read somewhere, or listened to a program perhaps on NPR
where a fellow was theorizing that Glenn Gould had some
form of autism. It was an interesting subject, wish I had
a weblink or something.
Van Eyes
news:9c12c550.03101...@posting.google.com
> Still I think the Clifford Curzon version is the best!
Anyone heard the Papadiamandis version?
http://www.papadiamandis.com/bbcmag.html
Matthew燘. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:7g46pvojsoehbfkmv...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:14:11 GMT, "Matthew燘. Tepper"
><oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I read somewhere, or listened to a program perhaps on NPR where a fellow
> was theorizing that Glenn Gould had some form of autism. It was an
> interesting subject, wish I had a weblink or something.
Asperger's Syndrome, perhaps? (Where is Eric Schissel when we need him?)
>>> Figures...you're into science fiction, right? Nojima plays like some
>>> well-designed, but ultimately soulless, android. He/It creeps me
>>> right out.
>>
>> Surely you don't want me to begin my "Glenn Gould was a robot" spiel
>> again, do you? (After all, I did recently see a metal simulacrum of
>> him, that bronze sculpture on the bench on King Street in Toronto.)
--
SanV
On 16 Oct 2003 02:52:34 -0700, bach_g...@hotmail.com (Godowsky)
wrote:
Boris Goodenoff
> On 16 Oct 2003 02:52:34 -0700, bach_g...@hotmail.com (Godowsky)
> wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to find some good recordings of the Liszt B minor sonata, -
> >for me the greatest recording is the Horowitz recording from the
> >around 1932.
> >
> >But I would like to know what others think.
> >
> >I have also heard Argerich but, - well, - still the Horowitz is my
> >favorite.
> >
> than I am as a 'pure' listener. The '77 Horowitz is ugly. I enjoy
> Nojima's (on Reference) and Barenboim's (OP?) among several good
> recorded performances. The work is apparently easy to screw up, but
> it's been recorded so many times...
>
> bl
I like Barenboim too, the Erato.
Your friend, Boris
pedro.aran...@gmail.com
> I'm trying to find some good recordings of the Liszt B minor sonata, -
> for me the greatest recording is the Horowitz recording from the
> around 1932.
>
> But I would like to know what others think.
>
> I have also heard Argerich but, - well, - still the Horowitz is my
> favorite.
>
>
> Godowsky
I would highly recommend the following recordings of the Liszt sonata in B minor, Argerich, Arrau and Brendel, They are all great.
Frank Berger
"best." But if I could pick one it might be Arrau's 1970
recording on Philips.
Lionel Tacchini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7K6JRHFr8
--
Lionel Tacchini - "squeak"
Frank Berger
of Prokofiev's op. 94a at the start.
O
counterbalance to Horowitz's steely approach.
-Owen
Neil
> I'm trying to find some good recordings of the Liszt B minor sonata, -
> for me the greatest recording is the Horowitz recording from the
> around 1932.
>
> But I would like to know what others think.
>
> I have also heard Argerich but, - well, - still the Horowitz is my
> favorite.
>
> Best regards
>
> Godowsky
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjkqIDr5uDKAhVHPBQKHV2UCpIQtwIIKzAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvCLbyh_VXpQ&usg=AFQjCNEkaazQCmqfHad8hRq0wZpkzrw91A&sig2=ppE1kIwAonV4BT4YtJiuOA&bvm=bv.113370389,d.ZWU
Bozo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvnoymDZfAU
cooper...@gmail.com
> I think young Pogorelich great ,as noted here before, his 1991 cd on DGG . Was paired with an also great Scriabin 2nd Sonata.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvnoymDZfAU
AC
Al Eisner
actually like this work, although it's generally interesting to hear.
But two performances from perhaps-unlikely suspects which I've
particularly enjoyed, both from the 1960's, are, yes, Cliburn and also
Fleisher. They both seem to find more music in the sonata than many
do. (Maybe that means they are taking it seriously.)
--
Al Eisner
dk
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016, O wrote:
>
> > In article <9ae99014-b535-4781...@googlegroups.com>,
> > <pedro.aran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> El jueves, 16 de octubre de 2003, 4:52:34 (UTC-5), Godowsky escribió:
> >>> I'm trying to find some good recordings of the Liszt B minor sonata, -
> >>> for me the greatest recording is the Horowitz recording from the
> >>> around 1932.
> >>>
> >>> But I would like to know what others think.
> >>>
> >>> I have also heard Argerich but, - well, - still the Horowitz is my
> >>> favorite.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>>
> >>> Godowsky
> >>
> >> I would highly recommend the following recordings of the Liszt sonata in B
> >> minor, Argerich, Arrau and Brendel, They are all great.
> >
> > I really enjoy Van Cliburn in this music. His warmth is a good
> > counterbalance to Horowitz's steely approach.
> >
> > -Owen
>
> I may not be a good judge, since I'm never quite convinced that I
> actually like this work, although it's generally interesting to hear.
but to experience it on a physical and
physiological level.
dk
Al Eisner
> One is not supposed to like this work,
> but to experience it on a physical and
> physiological level.
--
Al Eisner
dk
(Re?-)read your Hesse.
dk
Oscar
dk
dk
Terry
> I ordered Angela Hewitt's 2012 recording from Berkshire. Hold yr horses. Don't pile on. One snarky comment at a time now.
graham
dk
beyond her musical and pianistic means. She is a music
box.
dk
MELMOTH
susurrait, le mercredi 03/02/2016, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes
mais un peu sales tout de même, et dans le message
<9ae99014-b535-4781...@googlegroups.com>, les doux
mélismes suivants :
> I would highly recommend the following recordings of the Liszt sonata in B
> minor, Argerich, Arrau and Brendel, They are all great.
--
Car avec beaucoup de science, il y a beaucoup de chagrin ; et celui qui
accroît sa science accroît sa douleur.
[Ecclésiaste, 1-18]
MELMOTH - souffrant
tom.r...@gmail.com
> I'm trying to find some good recordings of the Liszt B minor sonata, -
> for me the greatest recording is the Horowitz recording from the
> around 1932.
>
> But I would like to know what others think.
>
> I have also heard Argerich but, - well, - still the Horowitz is my
> favorite.
>
> Best regards
>
> Godowsky
https://youtu.be/N2Ggmtsag14
Opinions ? What about the first note ? ^^
There is also a CD version that I just ordered and am currently impatiently waiting to listen to...
(On an off-topic, I warmly recommend his Schumann's Papillons, amazingly beautiful, imho)
dk
> Le jeudi 16 octobre 2003 11:52:34 UTC+2, Godowsky a écrit :
> > I'm trying to find some good recordings of the Liszt B minor sonata, -
> > for me the greatest recording is the Horowitz recording from the
> > around 1932.
> >
> > But I would like to know what others think.
> >
> > I have also heard Argerich but, - well, - still the Horowitz is my
> > favorite.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Godowsky
>
> I had a blast reading this enlightening discussion, albeit a rather heated one at times. I was wondering in the end what you music-loving fellows thought of Nicolas Economou's rendering, whose name I failed to see mentioned here. I discovered a live version (Münich, 1983) only very recently but it struck me as a truly brilliant and soulful performance.
>
> https://youtu.be/N2Ggmtsag14
>
> Opinions ? What about the first note ? ^^
No point in listening any further. This
is a mediocre performance.
dk
Tassilo
-Tassilo