Wagner's Tristan & Wagner's Parsifal
Jan Kawiorski
I know I am entering now both minefield and meadow, but I will try:
tell me please what your favourite STEREO recordings of Wagner's
masterpieces: Tristan and Parsifal are.
Regardless of stereo, I will very glad to know your preferences of all
recordings of these - mono as well.
Sincerely
Jan Kawiorski
Cracow, Poland
Larry Rinkel
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For Tristan: Nilsson/Boehm (with reservations, but fine if you want a fast,
intense version that's markedly different in character from the monaural
Flagstad/Furtwaengler)
For Parsifal: Knappertsbusch 1962 (no reservations, it's the best I've
heard)
R Kayser
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Stereo Parsifals:
Knappertsbusch, Bayreuth 62
Karajan, the studio recording for DG
Solti
A favourite mono Parsifal is the Karajan live from the Vienna
Staatsoper, 61 on RCA.
Stereo Tristan:
Don't know. I won't make up my mind till I listened to the
Bernstein and at least once more the Kleiber.
--
Roland
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Simon Roberts
says...
>
>Good morning everybody!
>
>I know I am entering now both minefield and meadow, but I will try:
>tell me please what your favourite STEREO recordings of Wagner's
>masterpieces: Tristan and Parsifal are.
Tristan: Karajan/EMI
Simon
Richard Bernas
> tell me please what your favourite STEREO recordings of Wagner's
> masterpieces: Tristan and Parsifal are.
Tristan conducted by Bohm with Nilsson and Windgassen Bayreuth 1966
(DG)
Parsifal con. Knapperstsbusch Bayreuth 1962 (Philips)
> Regardless of stereo, I will very glad to know your preferences of all
> recordings of these - mono as well.
Tristan conducted by Karajan with Modl, Vinay and Hotter Bayreuth
1952 (Orfeo) which is the most impassioned performance I have heard,
completely driven to the edge, and among the best sung.
Parsifal con. Kna. with Ericson, Vickers, Stewart and Hotter Bayreuth
1964 (Melodram but likely to be issued officially by Orfeo) which is
Kna's last ever Parsifal, magisterially sung by all, esp. Vickers who
never recorded this role commercially.
> Sincerely
>
> Jan Kawiorski
>
> Cracow, Poland
I am looking forward to other poster's sugestions!
Richard
Gareth Williams
> I know I am entering now both minefield and meadow, but I will try:
> tell me please what your favourite STEREO recordings of Wagner's
> masterpieces: Tristan and Parsifal are.
Good evening! My opinion as follows, each in order of preference:
Parsifal: Karajan (Hoffmann, Vejzovic, DG), followed by Knappertsbusch
(Thomas, Dalis, Phillips), Solti (Kollo, Ludwig, Decca) and Goodall
(Ellsworth, Meier, EMI). All stereo.
Tristan: Knappertsbusch (Suthaus, Flagstad, EMI) is still the best,
although it's in mono. The 1966 Bayreuth Böhm recording (Windgassen,
Nilsson, DG) is marginally the best of the stereo recordings, but you
won't go far wrong with either of Karajan (Vickers, Dernesch, EMI),
Bernstein (Hoffmann, Behrens, Decca) or Kleiber (Kollo, Price, DG).
--
Regards, Gareth Williams
Stephen Worth
from when it first came out, but I was never able to bear the over-wide
dynamics. In order to hear the quiet parts, the loud parts had to be
unendurably loud. Is it the same on CD?
See ya
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Andrew T. Kay
>I have a question about the DGG Karajan Parsifal. I have that on LP
>from when it first came out, but I was never able to bear the over-wide
>dynamics. In order to hear the quiet parts, the loud parts had to be
>unendurably loud. Is it the same on CD?
I can't perform an LP-to-CD comparison, but I would say this is very likely to
be the case, because that's a hallmark of his opera recordings of the period --
the EMI _Don Carlo_ and _Aida_ are other extreme examples. In no case does it
significantly lower my estimation of the performance, though. I find that the
best way of getting around the problem, without having to adjust the volume
constantly, is to listen to these recordings via headphones, where a
"reasonable" volume level is more likely to suffice for both the loud and quiet
bits.
And that _Parsifal_ would be my answer to the original poster's question too,
even though I wish I could import Solti's Kundry (Christa Ludwig). Karajan's
tenor isn't the holy grail (hah) either, but I don't know whom I'd patch in for
the title role, without cheating and going back to the pre-stereo era (Domingo,
perhaps? Kollo, King and Thomas aren't enough of an advance on Hofmann, in my
view, and I've never been able to stand Jerusalem. Too bad Vickers never cut
this in the studio.)
I'll second Simon Roberts's answer of Karajan/EMI for _Tristan_, with Boehm/DG
in the "show" position for the propulsive, intense conducting -- I wouldn't
bother with any of the more recent sets (Bernstein and C. Kleiber may do a
great deal of interest for their parts, but I find their principal singers
unendurable).
--Todd K
Stephen Worth
Kay <lastredl...@aol.com> wrote:
> I find that the
> best way of getting around the problem, without having to adjust the volume
> constantly, is to listen to these recordings via headphones, where a
> "reasonable" volume level is more likely to suffice for both the loud and quiet
> bits.
I don't like listening to music for pleasure using headphones. I
suppose someday I should just transfer the records and run them through
a compressor. I was only able to endure listening to them once, and
like you say, I loved the performance... I just couldn't stand the
engineering.
John Wilson
<gar...@nospam.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:56:14 -0700, Jan Kawiorski wrote:
>
>> I know I am entering now both minefield and meadow, but I will try:
>> tell me please what your favourite STEREO recordings of Wagner's
>> masterpieces: Tristan and Parsifal are.
>
>Good evening! My opinion as follows, each in order of preference:
>
>Parsifal: Karajan (Hoffmann, Vejzovic, DG), followed by Knappertsbusch
>(Thomas, Dalis, Phillips), Solti (Kollo, Ludwig, Decca) and Goodall
>(Ellsworth, Meier, EMI). All stereo.
>
>Tristan: Knappertsbusch (Suthaus, Flagstad, EMI) is still the best,
It is going to come as a shock to Furtwangler and Walter Legge that
Kampertsbusch conducted the Flagstad/EMI Tristan.
John
Tom Deacon
"John Wilson" <jw3@*nospam*earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:50:34 +0000 (UTC), Gareth Williams
> <gar...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:56:14 -0700, Jan Kawiorski wrote:
>>
>>> I know I am entering now both minefield and meadow, but I will try:
>>> tell me please what your favourite STEREO recordings of Wagner's
>>> masterpieces: Tristan and Parsifal are.
>>
>> Good evening! My opinion as follows, each in order of preference:
>>
>> Parsifal: Karajan (Hoffmann, Vejzovic, DG), followed by Knappertsbusch
>> (Thomas, Dalis, Phillips), Solti (Kollo, Ludwig, Decca) and Goodall
>> (Ellsworth, Meier, EMI). All stereo.
>>
>> Tristan: Knappertsbusch (Suthaus, Flagstad, EMI) is still the best,
>
> It is going to come as a shock to Furtwangler and Walter Legge that
> Kampertsbusch conducted the Flagstad/EMI Tristan.
And to Madame Legge.
TD
Terry Simmons
apoll...@gazeta.pl (Jan Kawiorski) wrote:
For Parsifal, the DGG conducted by von Karajan is pretty good, beautifully
recorded. The Kundry is a bit of a problem, but then again, she usually is.
For Tristan, my recommendations are Carlos Kleiber on DGG, von Karajan (EMI,
with Vickers), or Goodall on Decca. (Pity the Furtwangler isn't in stereo!)
--
Cheers!
Terry
Ward Hardman
> On 7/27/04 9:00 AM, in article takcg01f2dlpbbk8u...@4ax.com,
> "John Wilson" <jw3@*nospam*earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:50:34 +0000 (UTC), Gareth Williams
> > <gar...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Tristan: Knappertsbusch (Suthaus, Flagstad, EMI) is still the best,
> >
> > It is going to come as a shock to Furtwangler and Walter Legge that
> > Kampertsbusch conducted the Flagstad/EMI Tristan.
>
> And to Madame Legge.
Whose participation was a "high note" of the production. ;-)
--Ward Hardman
"The older I get, the more I admire and crave competence, just
simple competence, in any field from adultery to zoology."
- H.L. Mencken
Gareth Williams
>>Tristan: Knappertsbusch (Suthaus, Flagstad, EMI) is still the best,
>
> It is going to come as a shock to Furtwangler and Walter Legge that
> Kampertsbusch conducted the Flagstad/EMI Tristan.
Tod und Hölle! Sorry, slip of the - uh - fingers. Mind you, as a
thought experiment, that might have been an interesting proposition.
Knappertsbusch's mono recording with Gunter Treptow and Helena Braun
is also one to treasure, although the sound isn't as good as the
Furtwängler and neither was the cast or orchestra in my opinion.
--
Regards, Gareth Williams