Prokofiev's 5th Symphony - the BBC's Top Choice

[Kerrison]

The BBC's 'CD Review' programme tomorrow has a learned academic
surveying all the recordings of the Prokofiev 5th and advising his
listeners as to which is the best one. If you were sitting in front of
the microphone, which one would you put at the top of the list?

[Gerard]

Kerrison <kerrison1...@yahoo.co.uk> typed:

Without having heard all the recordings of this symphony?
That would give me no right to speak.
But imo the recordings by Jansons (Chandos), Karajan and Szell deserve an
honourable place.
Probably Rozhdestvensky's as well (but I have not heard that one - on LP - since
ages).

[CharlesSmith]

On Friday, April 20, 2012 8:11:57 AM UTC+1, Kerrison wrote:
> The BBC's 'CD Review' programme tomorrow has a learned academic
> surveying all the recordings of the Prokofiev 5th

Not "all", but only those currently available.

[Kerrison]

Yes, "currently available" indeed, which according to the CD Review
people means whether or not copies are still in stock in the record
companies' warehouses. The trouble with that, in these internet days,
is that you can tap details of the "unavailable" CD into Google and
find any number of outlets, whether via Amazon or various dealers'
websites worldwide, where you can order or download it in a matter of
seconds.

[CharlesSmith]

They're finding it increasingly difficult to hold to a definition of 'currently available' but still apply some semblance of the rule to avoid opening up the review to everything ever recorded. (I remember quite recently a reviewer regretting that this rule prevented him from including the Munch Martinu 6 ... but people here then located a seller pretty quickly.)

I haven't myself reviewed anything like 'all' available Prokofiev's 5ths, but my current choice would be Temirkanov StPPO.

Charles

[td]

My own favourite, and by a fairly wide margin, is the one the late
Thomas Schippers recorded for EMI with the Philharmonia Orchestra.

This has been made available on the Medici Masters label with an
assortment of other things. I don't have it on CD, I think, so I must
order it soon.

TD

[Gerard]

CharlesSmith <sigma....@ntlworld.com> typed:

For reviewers a definition that makes sense could be: all recordings they can
listen to.
Even if some of those are not availabe at the moment: sooner or later, any time,
a preferred recording can be available again.

[operafan]

Not issued as a commercial recording as far as I know, but there was a
live performance of this piece with Dudamel and the NY Philharmonic
(his debut there) that was extraordinary--it was recorded off the air
by somebody and available as a "bootleg" download a while ago.

[Dufus]

Have not heard all, of course, but one 5th fav: Leinsdorf, Boston Sym.
now on Testament. Coupled with the Prokofieff 3rd symphony ( I've
never heard ) . Mine the original RCA lp.

Dufus

[Gerard]

Dufus <steve...@gmail.com> typed:

> On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Kerrison <kerrison126-spar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > The BBC's 'CD Review' programme tomorrow has a learned academic
> > surveying all the recordings of the Prokofiev 5th and advising his
> > listeners as to which is the best one. If you were sitting in front
> > of the microphone, which one would you put at the top of the list?
>
> Have not heard all, of course,

How many *did* you hear?

> but one 5th fav: Leinsdorf, Boston Sym.
> now on Testament. Coupled with the Prokofieff 3rd symphony ( I've
> never heard ) . Mine the original RCA lp.
>
>

How different is that from this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Erich-Leinsdorf-Conducts-Prokofiev/dp/B004H6P2LA/ ?

[Thornhill]

Muti/Philadelphia on Philips.

[Frank Berger]

A more important limitation of reviewing only available recordings as that
usually many, many more are available used, easily available, often at a
good price and in good condition. Limiting the review serves only readers
who shop only at Barnes & Noble.

[Frank Berger]

I suspect this won't be among those reviewed.

[Christopher Webber]

On 20/04/2012 11:46, Kerrison wrote:
> Yes, "currently available" indeed, which according to the CD Review
> people means whether or not copies are still in stock in the record
> companies' warehouses.

That policy is under review. They're already considering performances
available as MP3/FLAC downloads, but it's hard for them to throw in
"Amazon" or "eBay" too, because of BBC's very strict anti-advertising rules.

This and many other BBC R3 matters can be found debated in the excellent
and thriving Friends of Radio 3 Forum (FoR3):
http://www.for3.org/index.php

Geoffrey Norris isn't a "learned academic" by the way. He's the
longest-standing music critic of the Daily Telegraph and knows his stuff
when it comes to Prokofiev and Rachmaninov (he wrote the Master
Musicians series book on him).

[Gerard]

Christopher Webber <zarz...@zarzuela.invalid.net> typed:

> On 20/04/2012 11:46, Kerrison wrote:
> > Yes, "currently available" indeed, which according to the CD Review
> > people means whether or not copies are still in stock in the record
> > companies' warehouses.
>
> That policy is under review. They're already considering performances
> available as MP3/FLAC downloads, but it's hard for them to throw in
> "Amazon" or "eBay" too, because of BBC's very strict anti-advertising
> rules.

I suppose that used copies also are not considered to belong to the category
"available recordings".

[Gerard]

Gerard <ghend-nos...@hotmail.com> typed:

> Dufus <steve...@gmail.com> typed:
> > On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Kerrison <kerrison126-spar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > > The BBC's 'CD Review' programme tomorrow has a learned academic
> > > surveying all the recordings of the Prokofiev 5th and advising his
> > > listeners as to which is the best one. If you were sitting in
> > > front of the microphone, which one would you put at the top of
> > > the list?
> >
> > Have not heard all, of course,
>
> How many *did* you hear?
>
> > but one 5th fav: Leinsdorf, Boston Sym.
> > now on Testament. Coupled with the Prokofieff 3rd symphony ( I've
> > never heard ) . Mine the original RCA lp.
> >

So it is reasonable to guess that you've heard *one* recording of the 5th
symphony and zero of the 3rd.

[CharlesSmith]

On Friday, April 20, 2012 9:33:42 AM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
> Kerrison <kerrison1...@yahoo.co.uk> typed:
> > The BBC's 'CD Review' programme tomorrow has a learned academic
> > surveying all the recordings of the Prokofiev 5th and advising his
> > listeners as to which is the best one. If you were sitting in front of
> > the microphone, which one would you put at the top of the list?
>
> Without having heard all the recordings of this symphony?
> That would give me no right to speak.
> But imo the recordings by Jansons (Chandos)

The 38min CD. Does that affect the review?

[CharlesSmith]

Lost cause already. My choice is no longer 'available'.

[Matthew B. Tepper]

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On the same program with Gil Shaham playing the Dvorak violin concerto? Yes.

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[Gerard]

CharlesSmith <sigma....@ntlworld.com> typed:

How would I know?

BTW DG once issued a recording of the 1st pianoconcerto by Tchaikovsky (I think
by Kissin and Karajan) with only 32 or 34 minutes music. But actually that was a
good thing. By throwing it away nothing else got lost.

[Gerard]

CharlesSmith <sigma....@ntlworld.com> typed:

Why?
Is your choice another one than this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Prokofiev-Symphonies-Nos-Lieutenant-Suite/dp/B0002VYDZA/ ?

[Mark S]

I'd still go with Karajan on DG Originals as a first choice, followed
by Maazel/Cleveland (recorded for Decca, but released on a DG CD two-
fer set, which may be oop at this point). My imprint recording for the
5th was the Szell, but I now find Szell's first movement too fast.

There aren't all that many bad recordings of the 5th.

[CharlesSmith]

On Friday, April 20, 2012 3:41:02 PM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
> CharlesSmith <sigma....@ntlworld.com> typed:
> > On Friday, April 20, 2012 12:04:35 PM UTC+1, CharlesSmith wrote:

...

> > >
> > > I haven't myself reviewed anything like 'all' available Prokofiev's
> > > 5ths, but my current choice would be Temirkanov StPPO.
> > >
> > > Charles
> >
> > Lost cause already. My choice is no longer 'available'.
>
> Why?
> Is your choice another one than this one:
> http://www.amazon.com/Prokofiev-Symphonies-Nos-Lieutenant-Suite/dp/B0002VYDZA/ ?

No, that's it. I didn't find it there half an hour ago. And not listed on the Radio 3 Forum linked by Christopher above. We'll see if it appears tomorrow.

[CharlesSmith]

My imprint was Bernstein IPO. Took me years to recover, but thankfully free of it now.

[Gerard]

I was hoping you meant another recording by Temirkanov with the Leningrad Philh.
Orch. (rec. 1989, on the label Leningrad Masters). That's the one I have.
Now I'm afraid of missing the real "winner" ;-(

[Russ (not Martha)]

On Apr 20, 9:27 am, CharlesSmith <sigma.onl...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Friday, April 20, 2012 9:33:42 AM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:
>

> > . . . But imo the recordings by Jansons (Chandos)

>
> The 38min CD. Does that affect the review?

It was the Jansons / Leningrad PO Prokofiev 5th that finally won me
over to CD inn the late 80's,

The 38 minute TT was less a cause of regret than that Jansons has
never recorded the Prokofiev 6th Symphony.

I imprinted on the original Koussevitzky and Rodzinski recordings of
#5, in which the reprise of the scherzo is started at the original
quick tempo (wonderful quacking effect), rather than the slow
acceleration one hears nowadays. Still prefer the original tempo
despite the markings in the score.

BTW - Any Prokofiev fans know what the deal is with the Prokofiev fan
website www.prokofiev.org, which has been flagged as dangerous for
some time now???

Russ (not Martha)

[jrsnfld]

The recording was, indeed, a bit of a disappointment. My first
exposure to the work was Bernstein/NYP, I think, and it didn't scar
me.

--Jeff

[jrsnfld]

There aren't all that many bad recordings of anything, unless you've
got very particular standards. Which 5ths would you avoid?

--Jeff

[CharlesSmith]

On Friday, April 20, 2012 4:50:34 PM UTC+1, Russ (not Martha) wrote:

> BTW - Any Prokofiev fans know what the deal is with the Prokofiev fan
> website www.prokofiev.org, which has been flagged as dangerous for
> some time now???
>
> Russ (not Martha)

I think some links have been hi-jacked. I picked up something nasty there about a year ago, and there was no sign that anyone was maintaining the site. Perhaps we need a volunteer to over-ride the warning and check it out.

Charles

[Steve Emerson]

In article <ca725$4f911f4d$5356543a$16...@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,
"Gerard" <ghend-nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Kerrison <kerrison1...@yahoo.co.uk> typed:

> > The BBC's 'CD Review' programme tomorrow has a learned academic
> > surveying all the recordings of the Prokofiev 5th and advising his
> > listeners as to which is the best one. If you were sitting in front of
> > the microphone, which one would you put at the top of the list?
>

> Without having heard all the recordings of this symphony? That would

> give me no right to speak. But imo the recordings by Jansons
> (Chandos), Karajan and Szell deserve an honourable place. Probably
> Rozhdestvensky's as well (but I have not heard that one - on LP -
> since ages).

His complete symphonies on Melodiya are in print these days on CD, in
case of interest; too, there's a terrific Rozh. recording on BBC Legends.

SE.

[whiskynsplash]

On Apr 20, 2:11 am, Kerrison <kerrison126-spar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> The BBC's 'CD Review' programme tomorrow has a learned academic
> surveying all the recordings of the Prokofiev 5th and advising his
> listeners as to which is the best one. If you were sitting in front of
> the microphone, which one would you put at the top of the list?

Leonard Slatkin and the St. Louis Symphony did a pretty good one in
the early days of the CD era for RCA.

[jrsnfld]

Yes! And Koussevitzky/BSO did a pretty good one in the early Stone Age
as well. Somewhere in between (chronologically) was the Mravinsky/
Leningrad performance released on Russian Disc, and it's even better
than pretty good. Reiner (in the big, big set) and Horenstein also did
well with this piece.
--Jeff

[jrsnfld]

On Apr 20, 4:52 am, operafan <peter.bar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not issued as a commercial recording as far as I know, but there was a
> live performance of this piece with Dudamel and the NY Philharmonic
> (his debut there) that was extraordinary--it was recorded off the air
> by somebody and available as a "bootleg" download a while ago.

There've been several Prokofiev 5s with Dudamel on the airwaves
lately. They were all rather exciting, but I think my nominees for a
"live bootleg reissue" would be the Cleveland/Paavo Jarvi or Jurowski/
Pittsburgh.

--Jeff

[Ray Hall]

I've always been content with Previn/LSO on EMI Classics coupled with No.7.

I got the Szell and was disappointed with it.

Ray Hall, Taree

[Kerrison]

As the instigator of this thread I have to confess that I only have
three recordings: Sargent and the LSO on Everest; Stokowski and the
USSR SO on Pristine (ex Melodya); and Schippers and the Philharmonia
on Medici Masters. I like all three but I somehow doubt that any of
them will be the BBC's top choice.

[Gerard]

Kerrison <kerrison1...@yahoo.co.uk> typed:

Would you be so kind to inform us about the results of that BBC program?
E.g. a top 10, or the places on the list of the mentioned recordings.
Or do they publish their list (as text) online?

[herman]

I have Ashkenazy / Concertgebouw, Janssons / Leningrad, Ozawa /
Berlin, Järvi / Scottish National, Rostropovich / ONFrance and
Ormandy / Philadelphia, and I have listed them in order of preference.

[Christopher Webber]

On 21/04/2012 09:10, Gerard wrote:
> Would you be so kind to inform us about the results of that BBC program?
> E.g. a top 10, or the places on the list of the mentioned recordings.
> Or do they publish their list (as text) online?

They do publish the name of the selected recording(s) on the CD Review
micro-site; and extracts at least get played by Rob Cowan (or whoever)
the following Tuesday morning.

But the value doesn't work quite that way: the pleasure of the programme
is the process, and the many extracts played with analytical comments.
Whether one agrees with the critic's final choice is largely
irrelevant,and there's no "top ten".

I almost always learn a heck of a lot about the work in question each
week, by listening to the programme. You can, I think, hear it on
"listen again" during the next seven days.

[Sava Savanovic]

On Apr 21, 10:10 am, "Gerard" <ghend-nospam_rik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Would you be so kind to inform us about the results of that BBC program?
> E.g. a top 10, or the places on the list of the mentioned recordings.
> Or do they publish their list (as text) online?

He chose in the end Karajan's DG recording over Rozhdestvensky's
Leningrad Philharmonic live on BBC Legends, on account of audience
noise and some patch of pitch instability in the finale of
Rozhdestvensky.
And for those insisting on more modern recording he Recommended
Ashenazy's Sidney Symphony recording, preferring it to Ashknazy's
Concertgebouw on account of more transparent sound and more forward
impetus in first movement.

[Gerard]

Christopher Webber <zarz...@zarzuela.invalid.net> typed:

> On 21/04/2012 09:10, Gerard wrote:
> > Would you be so kind to inform us about the results of that BBC
> > program? E.g. a top 10, or the places on the list of the mentioned
> > recordings. Or do they publish their list (as text) online?
>
> They do publish the name of the selected recording(s) on the CD Review
> micro-site;

Do you know at what address (the URL)?

>
> and extracts at least get played by Rob Cowan (or whoever)
> the following Tuesday morning.
>
> But the value doesn't work quite that way: the pleasure of the
> programme is the process, and the many extracts played with
> analytical comments. Whether one agrees with the critic's final
> choice is largely irrelevant,and there's no "top ten".
>
> I almost always learn a heck of a lot about the work in question each
> week, by listening to the programme. You can, I think, hear it on
> "listen again" during the next seven days.

I've never succeeded in hearing anything on that site. They require a player
(don't they call it 'BBC player' ?) that does not work on my pc, or something
else goes wrong.

[Kerrison]

On Apr 21, 10:04 am, Christopher Webber

As Christopher says, you can hear the programme again on the BBC
website's "Listen now" panel which will be put on-line later today. I
can tell you however that Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic was the
Top Choice: "a visceral performance that has real physical presence."
Dismissed early on were Szell, Levi, Leinsdorf ("leaden"), Mitropoulos
and the Vienna Philharmonic ("how did this ever make it to CD ...
truly dreadful playing") and Thomas Sanderling. Praises were given to
Rozhdestvensky, Schippers, Yurovsky, Mariss Jansons, Rostropovich and
Ashkenazy, but it was HvK who won the day.

[Gerard]

Sava Savanovic <mrs...@gmail.com> typed:

> On Apr 21, 10:10 am, "Gerard" <ghend-nospam_rik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Would you be so kind to inform us about the results of that BBC
> > program? E.g. a top 10, or the places on the list of the mentioned
> > recordings. Or do they publish their list (as text) online?
>
>
> He chose in the end Karajan's DG recording over Rozhdestvensky's
> Leningrad Philharmonic live on BBC Legends, on account of audience
> noise and some patch of pitch instability in the finale of
> Rozhdestvensky.

Hm, one would think that the differences between those recordings interpretation
wise are more remarkable than these.

>
> And for those insisting on more modern recording he Recommended
> Ashenazy's Sidney Symphony recording, preferring it to Ashknazy's
> Concertgebouw on account of more transparent sound and more forward
> impetus in first movement.

Thanks very much.

[Gerard]

Kerrison <kerrison1...@yahoo.co.uk> typed:

> On Apr 21, 10:04 am, Christopher Webber
> <zarzu...@zarzuela.invalid.net> wrote:
> > On 21/04/2012 09:10, Gerard wrote:
> >
> > > Would you be so kind to inform us about the results of that BBC
> > > program? E.g. a top 10, or the places on the list of the
> > > mentioned recordings. Or do they publish their list (as text)
> > > online?
> >
> > They do publish the name of the selected recording(s) on the CD
> > Review micro-site; and extracts at least get played by Rob Cowan
> > (or whoever) the following Tuesday morning.
> >
> > But the value doesn't work quite that way: the pleasure of the
> > programme is the process, and the many extracts played with
> > analytical comments. Whether one agrees with the critic's final
> > choice is largely irrelevant,and there's no "top ten".
> >
> > I almost always learn a heck of a lot about the work in question
> > each week, by listening to the programme. You can, I think, hear it
> > on "listen again" during the next seven days.
>
> As Christopher says, you can hear the programme again on the BBC
> website's "Listen now" panel which will be put on-line later today. I

I've never succeeded in hearing that (due to technical problems on my PC I
suppose).

> can tell you however that Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic was the
> Top Choice: "a visceral performance that has real physical presence."
> Dismissed early on were Szell, Levi, Leinsdorf ("leaden"), Mitropoulos
> and the Vienna Philharmonic ("how did this ever make it to CD ...
> truly dreadful playing") and Thomas Sanderling. Praises were given to
> Rozhdestvensky, Schippers, Yurovsky, Mariss Jansons, Rostropovich and
> Ashkenazy, but it was HvK who won the day.

Thanks very much.
Do you remember why Szell was dismissed?

[CharlesSmith]

He played the opening of the Szell (very brisk) and said the whole thing lacked weight. (Sounded rather brittle to me.)

I thought the review rather unsatisfactory. He wasted lots of time demonstrating how bad the VPO are (Mitropoulos), but he commended Schippers without even playing a sample. He was full of praise for Jansons but then didn't mention him in his summing up. He dismissed Rozhdestvensky Leningrad because of audience noise (rightly IMO) but didn't say anything of his other recordings. And my own preferred recording (Temirkanov) wasn't even mentioned.

Re Karajan BPO I agree the positive comments, but it doesn't work for me: the sound is rather mushy, the first movement too slow, and the orchestra doesn't sound the least bit Russian.

Charles

[Kerrison]

On Apr 21, 10:57 am, CharlesSmith <sigma.onl...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:41:08 AM UTC+1, Gerard wrote:

> > Kerrison <kerrison126-spar...@yahoo.co.uk> typed:

I agree about the pointlessness of some of the review ... ie: saying
that Thomas Sanderling "doesn't even come close" to Rozhdestvensky,
yet then playing a whole chunk the Sanderling 2nd movement while not
playing bits of the ones he said he did like.

As to the BBC Player's radio programmes being heard abroad ... does
anything in their "help" page advise you on how you get them ? ...

http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/playing_radio_progs

[Dufus]

>On Apr 21, 6:18 am, Kerrison <kerrison126-spar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> As to the BBC Player's radio programmes being heard abroad ... does
> anything in their "help" page advise you on how you get them ? ...
>

Sorry if I misunderstand, but on the BBC 3 home page, I just go to
the " Programmes" listings, click, scroll down to select the general
programme I want, click on its title, and then pick a particular
performance in that group I want and click on the "Listen Now" button.
Usually about past 6 days worth of programmes are on I-Player. The
current "Live" stream is in the upper right of the screen usually, if
I want the live BBC 3 broadcast. For example : "Afternoon on 3 " :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006x3cd

I must say that for BBC 4 , others , I'm usually told the programme is
" not available in your area" as BBC can tell from my ISP I have not
paid BBC fees. Not a problem on BBC 3.

Dufus

[Gerard]

Kerrison <kerrison1...@yahoo.co.uk> typed:

Ah!
There I find:
"Rights agreements mean that BBC iPlayer television programmes are only
available to users in the UK. "

Elsewhere (after clicking on "CD Review - Building a Library":
"The BBC podcast you are trying to access is not available to users outside the
UK."

So ... end of BBC story ;-(

(Another option works on a laptop here - not on my PC - but that is not really
listenable.)

What rests - maybe - is listening to the program on the radio while it is
broadcasted.
But if these reviews are pointless .... I think that knowing the conclusions
will be enough for the moment.
Thanks to all.

[Dufus]

>On Apr 21, 8:27 am, "Gerard" <ghend-nospam_rik...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Elsewhere (after clicking on "CD Review - Building a Library":
> "The BBC podcast you are trying to access is not available to users outside the
> UK."
>
> So ... end of BBC story ;-(

The live BBC 3 radio broadcast, and for up to 6-7 days later , are
available outside the UK on BBC 3 as I noted earlier in the thread.

Dufus

[Gerard]

Dufus <steve...@gmail.com> typed:

You left out what I said about a laptop.

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[whiskynsplash]

On Apr 20, 7:12 am, Thornhill <seth.l...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 20, 3:11 am, Kerrison <kerrison126-spar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The BBC's 'CD Review' programme tomorrow has a learned academic
> > surveying all the recordings of the Prokofiev 5th and advising his
> > listeners as to which is the best one. If you were sitting in front of
> > the microphone, which one would you put at the top of the list?
>

> Muti/Philadelphia on Philips.

Yes, coupled with The Meeting of the Volga and the Don.

http://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-13362/?search=1

[CharlesSmith]

In the highly-charged interpretive style of his Ivan the Terrible?

[whiskynsplash]

Well one's the soundtrack to a film, reorganised, quite freely, by
Abram Stasevich and the other's a true symphony. But if you want more
Tam-tam, then yes.

http://www.amazon.com/Prokofiev-Ivan-Terrible-Alexander-Nevsky/dp/B000TGY0OW

[CharlesSmith]

I know that recording well - the tam tam and bells are fabulous. I wondered whether Muti has managed to push up the power rating of the 5th when he doesn't have these superchargers to hand.

[whiskynsplash]

On Apr 22, 9:47 am, CharlesSmith <sigma.onl...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:19:27 PM UTC+1, whiskynsplash wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 7:44 am, CharlesSmith <sigma.onl...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 22, 2012 1:24:05 PM UTC+1, whiskynsplash wrote:
> > > > On Apr 20, 7:12 am, Thornhill <seth.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 20, 3:11 am, Kerrison <kerrison126-spar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The BBC's 'CD Review' programme tomorrow has a learned academic
> > > > > > surveying all the recordings of the Prokofiev 5th and advising his
> > > > > > listeners as to which is the best one. If you were sitting in front of
> > > > > > the microphone, which one would you put at the top of the list?
>
> > > > > Muti/Philadelphia on Philips.
>
> > > > Yes, coupled with The Meeting of the Volga and the Don.
>
> > > >http://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-13362/?search=1
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> > > In the highly-charged interpretive style of his Ivan the Terrible?
>
> > Well one's the soundtrack to a film, reorganised, quite freely, by
> > Abram Stasevich and the other's a true symphony. But if you want more
> > Tam-tam, then yes.
>

> >http://www.amazon.com/Prokofiev-Ivan-Terrible-Alexander-Nevsky/dp/B00...
>
> I know that recording well - the tam tam and bells are fabulous. I wondered whether Muti has managed to push up the power rating of the 5th when he doesn't have these superchargers to hand.- Hide quoted text -
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There is a tam-tam in the 5th, I think.

[Mark S]

On Apr 22, 6:19 am, whiskynsplash <whiskynspl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well one's the soundtrack to a film, reorganised, quite freely, by
> Abram Stasevich and the other's a true symphony. But if you want more
> Tam-tam, then yes.

Or in the words of Prokofieff himself, "More cowbell!"

[whiskynsplash]

That would be Bruce Dickensen Prokofiev, "Guess what? I have a fever
and the only prescription is more cowbell!
"I gotta have more cowbell, baby."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0uvVZg4Tw4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgby909pNa4&feature=related

[MELMOTH]

Ce cher mammifère du nom de Kerrison nous susurrait, le vendredi
20/04/2012, dans nos oreilles grandes ouvertes mais un peu sales tout
de même, et dans le message
<bc72bc5b-d0a4-4f53...@x17g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
les doux mélismes suivants :

> The BBC's 'CD Review' programme tomorrow has a learned academic
> surveying all the recordings of the Prokofiev 5th and advising his
> listeners as to which is the best one. If you were sitting in front
> of the microphone, which one would you put at the top of the list?

1 - *Szell* CBS
2 - *Karajan* DG
3 - *Horenstein* Vox
4 - *Dorati* Mercury
5 - *Ormandy* CBS

--
Car avec beaucoup de science, il y a beaucoup de chagrin ; et celui qui
accroît sa science accroît sa douleur.
[Ecclésiaste, 1-18]
MELMOTH - souffrant

[3Bs]

I'm a late convert to the charms of Rozhdestvensky- all his Prokofiev
is worth hearing. Anyone who knocks off the Leningrad performance just
because of audience noise has a problem.

The CSO has a number of fine recordings of the 5th; my latest addition
is a Maazel broadcast from 2005 that they've played a few times
recently. My wife and I were at the concert, and my daughter was born
three weeks later, so I'll look forward to playing it for her someday.

Levine/CSO deserves mention. I also like Muti and both of Ormandy's.

[jrsnfld]

On Apr 26, 2:13 pm, 3Bs <threebs...@aol.com> wrote:
> I'm a late convert to the charms of Rozhdestvensky- all his Prokofiev
> is worth hearing. Anyone who knocks off the Leningrad performance just
> because of audience noise has a problem.

Depends on the reason for recommending the disc: for study, then maybe
audience noise is an issue. For inspiration and appreciation, then no--
Rozhdestvensky/Leningrad is right up there with Mravinsky/Leningrad.

>
> The CSO has a number of fine recordings of the 5th; my latest addition
> is a Maazel broadcast from 2005 that they've played a few times
> recently. My wife and I were at the concert, and my daughter was born
> three weeks later, so I'll look forward to playing it for her someday.

Did your daughter kick during the first movement?

--Jeff

[whiskynsplash]

More tam-tam! More tam-tam! Wah!