Re: NEW Shura Cherkassky .info website

[Tony]

Well done. You always set these things up very well.

If I could make one suggestion (though you may do it already and I might have just missed it) -- if in the future you again print a limited edition CD, like you did with Egorov recently, could you please announce it here?

[Frank Berger]

On 4/24/2017 4:48 AM, Wim wrote:
> All,
>
> Those who have interest in pianist Shura CHerkassky might like to check out the following new website: http://www.shura-cherkassky.info/
>
> This non profite website is a tribute to the legendary pianist, you may call it a fan page.
>
> Also, pianist Lucie Stern is Lucie Stern being commemorated. Lucie Stern was pupil of Jozef Hofmann and classmate of Shura Cherkassky. She was possibly Josef Hofmann's greatest pupil.
>
> Your input, comment and corrections are welcome.
>
> Wim
> Webmaster www.shura-cherkassky.info
>

It's nice that you are attempting to commemorate Lucie
Stern. Her obituary says she died of a blood infection. One
source says she committed suicide. I wonder if any more is
known?

[HT]

Op maandag 24 april 2017 12:32:03 UTC+2 schreef Tony:

> Well done. You always set these things up very well.
>
> If I could make one suggestion (though you may do it already and I might have just missed it) -- if in the future you again print a limited edition CD, like you did with Egorov recently, could you please announce it here?

Seconded! Please, keep us also informed when you find more recordings of Lucie Stern. Her version of Chopin's first impromptu is fascinating.

Henk

[Frank Berger]

On 4/24/2017 9:34 AM, Wim wrote:

> Frank,
>
> She did not comitted suicide. I think James Methuen-Campbell mentioned this in his book, to a very reliable source this is incorrect. She had an infection, and because of this she died. Wim.
>

I imagine you are right, but dying from an infection does
not exclude a suicide attempt. Apparently you don't care to
share what the source is? Family have been known to
suppress information about suicide.

[cooper...@gmail.com]

Yes, the Stern story is very sad and was unknown to me previously. And I agree with Henk that there is much interest in the piano roll that you posted. If her dates really were Nov 1912-May 1938 she was not 24 when she died, but 25, irrespective of the obit. I got a chuckle from the graphic of the 8-track tape, which got me to wondering whether any member of this group actually has a functioning player. The last time I actually *listened* to one was ca. 1967.

Thanks for the terrific web site!

AC

[Frank Berger]

I remember a magazine ad for a Jaguar XJ-S touting that
there were no options (since it had everything), except
color and choice of 8-track or cassette.

[Wim]

I do have some papers of a german archive early 20s and it mentions 14 nov 1912. These documents are from the Hochschule Berlin so this should be correct. Some other sources (US) do mention 1913.

[Frank Berger]

On 4/24/2017 9:51 AM, cooper...@gmail.com wrote:

This pdf contains a photo of Josef Hofmann's class of
1926-27 at the Curtis Institute, which included Stern,
Cherkassky, Abraham Chasins.

https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:ft303rz1634/33-03.pdf

[christian....@gmail.com]

Sweet!

[AB]

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 10:52:30 AM UTC-4, Wim wrote:
> Great! On one of the photos Cherkassky and jorge bolet. It is told to me that jorge bolet always talked good about lucie stern, and did adore her playing. Bolet was also at Curtis in the late 20s as Stern and Cherkassky.

did she make any recordings, (other than piano rolls)?

AB

[AB]

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-4, Tony wrote:
> Well done. You always set these things up very well.
>
> If I could make one suggestion (though you may do it already and I might have just missed it) -- if in the future you again print a limited edition CD, like you did with Egorov recently, could you please announce it here?

right, took the words right out of my mouth!

I greatly admire his playing and would love to hear more of his rarer recordings and recitals

AB

[George P]

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 4:48:49 AM UTC-4, Wim wrote:
> All,
>
> Those who have interest in pianist Shura CHerkassky might like to check out the following new website: http://www.shura-cherkassky.info/
>
> This non profite website is a tribute to the legendary pianist, you may call it a fan page.
>
> Also, pianist Lucie Stern is Lucie Stern being commemorated. Lucie Stern was pupil of Jozef Hofmann and classmate of Shura Cherkassky. She was possibly Josef Hofmann's greatest pupil.
>
> Your input, comment and corrections are welcome.
>
> Wim
> Webmaster www.shura-cherkassky.info

Looks like a wonderful site! Many thanks for creating/sharing it!

George

[christian....@gmail.com]

Den måndag 24 april 2017 kl. 20:01:06 UTC+2 skrev Wim:

> To my knowlodge only this piano roll exist. I asked two experts on old recordings and they mentioned they never came across recordings of Lucie Stern, but than they did not mention this piano roll either. Lucie Stern made several radio broadcasts. I know one recital of 40 minutes was broadcast on 2 occasion with a year or so apart, so this was definitely not a live broadcast. Wim.

Wim - if I may ask, why the interest in this lady?

[Wim]

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 8:55:27 PM UTC+2, christian....@gmail.com wrote:

> Wim - if I may ask, why the interest in this lady?

Well this is not answered just like that. In preparing the Cherkassky website her name popped up a few times. The Curtis archive send me a beautiful poster of the students of that time, she was also on it. I found it strange that such a talent was not more known and why I could not find one single record, not a even a 78 speed. I do know some excellent pianists vanished just like that and some others are known for a (to me) unknown reason and survive in time.

After I found out that she died at 24 something triggered in me, such a talent, such a tragedy, and the fact that she seemed to be lost in time, as she was vanished made me do what I did now.

It just felt this could not be like this, and because she was classmate of Cherkassky and student of Hofmann, it felt I should add at least one page of hers, just at least to get her remembered. Also, I contacted an archive in Berlin who archives documents of the Hochschule der Musik, and a person at the archiv thought my request and idea was so special that she did her best to get things found and she came up with 5 documents about Lucie Stern.

Also that her mother was divorced already before they moved from Riga Latvia to Berlin, having such a talented child, searching for better life and best changes for Lucie Stern, the mother moved a few years later to the US. It feels the mother wanted to give her child the best. That the life of Lucie Stern was short is a tragedy, I know she is not the only one and I can not save or fight the world, I try at times, but this is what I can do.

For all, Lucie Stern deserves to be remembered in time, LPs or recordings yes or no, it does not matter.

Wim

[Kerrison]

>
> Looks like a wonderful site! Many thanks for creating/sharing it!
>
> George

I see you have a couple of Cherkassky videos from You Tube on your site but there are loads more that deserve investigation ...

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Shura+Cherkassky

[howie...@btinternet.com]

Thanks for a very nicely done website. I think you've missed off some DVDs - the Kreisleriana here for example

http://www.classicalvideorarities.com/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=cherkassky&x=0&y=0&gclid=CPq-xL-pr6UCFUQq3wodnXPgYw

[howie...@btinternet.com]

I have the live Kreisleriana from Classical Video Rarities, and I have a live Beethoven op 27/1 too which I'm pretty sure was from them. I can upload the recordings for you if you want (I ripped the sound and got rid of the video - both are really pretty special I think, and the sound quality is perfectly listenable.)

[Kerrison]

> > I see you have a couple of Cherkassky videos from You Tube on your site but there are loads more that deserve investigation ...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Shura+Cherkassky
>

> I agree, any suggestion(s). But I can not list what is listed on YouTube. But I can make a direct link to YouTube. Also YouTube is full of copyright violating uploads, I like to keep things as legal as possible. Wim.

The thing about You Tube is that copyright holders have a range of options open to them when they see that something of theirs has been uploaded there. They can do nothing and just let the upload stand. They can "monetize" it by claiming copyright and collecting royalties based on the number of views it receives. They can block it in one or more countries. Finally, they can issue a copyright strike and have it taken down altogether.

It seems the vast majority go for the "royalties" option, so as to make a bit of money. Maybe that's what happened with this Japanese TV transmission from Tokyo of the Tchaikovsky 2nd Piano Concerto with Shura and Svetlanov. It was uploaded in 2014 and has had over 5,000 views, so the copyright holders have had quite enough time to take it down if they want to. Anyway, it's a wonderful performance ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuD3oAdH2As