Cor de Groot, "Legendary Treasures - Beethoven: The 5 Piano Concertos," Doremi
Dan Amodeo
tempted. I have the mp3 files Rolf Otterhouse provided us, and I enjoy
listening to them on my computer. I had been thinking of copying them to CDs
to play on my CD player.
ArkivMusic has this set for $57.49, but it's "back order," which is
sometimes a bad sign from ArkivMusic. Amazon doesn't have it, or if it does
it's well hidden. I found a few other places that have it, all or most of
them for a little less than $57.49, but I've never heard of most of these
places so I don't know how safe it is to send them my money.
Has anyone heard these Doremi CDs?. They might be the same performances as
what are on Rolf's mp3 files, but I can't quite tell; the two orchestra
names confuses me. Does anyone know if they are? (Are you there Rolf?) Even
more importantly, do they sound as good as Rolf's mp3 files?
My last question might sound dumb, but it isn't. Today I received a new CD
that I paid $17.89 for, "The Cor De Groot Collection 2: The Early
Recordings." I bought it for a performance by Cor de Groot of Beethoven's PC
5. It was not the same performance as what Rolf gave us, but I guessed I
might like it. I listened to it for ten or fifteen minutes and then actually
threw it in the trash. The sound was utterly terrible.
Dan Amodeo
P. S. I just discovered that Rolf's website is up and running again. I
didn't notice whether he had announced that on this newsgroup. The new URL
seems to be:
http://docent.cmd.hro.nl/otter/
Looks like it doesn't show Rolf's name. Rolf, identify yourself!
Simon Roberts
>
>This set of CDs apparently came out last month. It's expensive, but I'm
>tempted. I have the mp3 files Rolf Otterhouse provided us, and I enjoy
>listening to them on my computer. I had been thinking of copying them to CDs
>to play on my CD player.
>
>ArkivMusic has this set for $57.49, but it's "back order," which is
>sometimes a bad sign from ArkivMusic. Amazon doesn't have it, or if it does
>it's well hidden. I found a few other places that have it, all or most of
>them for a little less than $57.49, but I've never heard of most of these
>places so I don't know how safe it is to send them my money.
>
>Has anyone heard these Doremi CDs?. They might be the same performances as
>what are on Rolf's mp3 files, but I can't quite tell; the two orchestra
>names confuses me. Does anyone know if they are? (Are you there Rolf?) Even
>more importantly, do they sound as good as Rolf's mp3 files?
>
>My last question might sound dumb, but it isn't.
No, it certainly isn't. Some Doremi CDs, heard in isolation, are OK, but others
are terrible and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rolf's mp3s sound better. I
wouldn't spend $58, or even a quarter that, on a Doremi mastering unless (a)
there was no alternative and/or (b) I had a chance to hear it myself first.
Simon
Gerard
>
> http://docent.cmd.hro.nl/otter/
>
> Looks like it doesn't show Rolf's name. Rolf, identify yourself!
Why?
His name is Rolf den Otter.
bjojo...@aol.com
Arkivmusic is selling it above list price. They don't order directly
from the distributor, instead, they go through "one stops".
You can get it a lot cheaper from HBDirect, and they order daily
directly from the distributor, so as soon as it comes available, it is
sent.
http://www.hbdirect.com/album_detail.php?pid=1021026
jeffli...@hotmail.com
Dan, the three-disc Doremi set, which I haven't heard, is listed at
Amazon for $59.98 but "temporarily out of stock." The De Groot/
Otterloo Beethoven PCs are also available as LP-to-CD dubs from Bearac
(three discs, $14 each plus postage). I haven't heard those either. I
still have the fine Emperor in its old Epic LP incarnation - some
bandit at Ebay is currently asking $100 for a near-mint copy. The
Emperor is with the Hague Philharmonic, but I believe the other four
concertos were made with the Vienna Symphony.
My experience with Doremi transfers has been mixed: I think its set of
Mozart Piano Sonatas with Rheine Gianoli sounds excellent, but some of
their Richter stuff is pretty awful. Bearac's transfers are similar in
quality to what's heard from Haydn House. I recently ordered Bearac's
transfer of the superb 1953 Andreae/VSO Bruckner Fourth, and to my
ears it sounds more fully detailed and immediate than the deleted
Orfeo CD release. Unfortunately, Bearac's issue of the magnificent
Andreae Bruckner Third was dubbed from a European Philips LP pressing
that has some oddly water-logged moments in the lower strings (unlike
my Epic LP transfer).
Incidentally, I suspect that your recent De Groot Emperor purchase
contains the live wartime reading with Mengelberg, which has also
appeared on Q-Disc and elsewhere.
Jeff Lipscomb
Otterhouse Rolf
I've started working as a lecturer at the Rotterdam University of
Applied Science.
That gives me the right on a .hro.nl account....
Cor de Groot recorded with the Wiener Symphoniker and the Residentie
orchestra the Hague.
If you ever find a copy of Rach 2 (1951), that's (in my opinion) his
best record ever....
If some small contractual problems are solved, I'm going to work one
day a week at the
European Archive:
http://www.europarchive.org/
The website is still messy, but I hope to clear it up after the
summer.
Greetings,
Rolf
thoren...@yahoo.com
That and the Beethoven #5.I thank you,and your website for
introducing me to this underappreciated artist.Shortly after you did
your first upload,I was able to pick up all of those 50s Philips Lps
of his cheap on eBay.
Roger
Philip Peters
> Hello Don, thanks for the very flattering words (blushing...)
> I've started working as a lecturer at the Rotterdam University of
> Applied Science.
> That gives me the right on a .hro.nl account....
Very nice! Congratulations.
> If some small contractual problems are solved, I'm going to work one
> day a week at the
> European Archive:
> http://www.europarchive.org/
Good for you! (& everybody else)
Glad that you're doing so well (and for the common good...)
Philip
Dan Amodeo
Congratulations on your new job. I taught at university (in two American
schools called colleges) for three years forty years ago. I enjoyed it.
Working at the European Archive sounds interesting too. Unfortunately they
don't seem to allow music downloads by Americans - or at least not by
residents of Bethesda, Maryland! My wife is Italian, so I think they really
should let me download music.
And congratulations to you and to us for getting new space for your website.
Dan Amodeo
Dan Amodeo
positive from someone who has heard them.
Dan
Dan Amodeo
Well, he doesn't HAVE to, it was just a suggestion. If I like a website,
especially one I keep going back to, I like to know the name of the person
whose site it is. I also thought (mistakenly it seems) that he used to show
his name on his website, so I thought leaving his name off now might have
been an oversight.
Thanks for telling me his name, Gerard. I thought it was Otterhouse. That
did seem an unusual name for someone who is Dutch, but it is certainly
possible that there may be families with names like Otterhouse, Smith,
Rossi, etc., who have lived in the Netherlands for generations.
Dan Amodeo
Dan Amodeo
You said,
>Incidentally, I suspect that your recent De Groot Emperor
>purchase contains the live wartime reading with
>Mengelberg, which has also appeared on Q-Disc and
>elsewhere.
You may well be right. It is Mengelberg, and ArkivMusic says it was recorded
on May 9, 1942.
Dan Amodeo
Walter Traprock
> I recently ordered Bearac's
> transfer of the superb 1953 Andreae/VSO Bruckner Fourth, and to my
> ears it sounds more fully detailed and immediate than the deleted
> Orfeo CD release.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bruckner-Symphony-No-4-Anton/dp/B000028B0K/
The Orfeo CD is in stock at this posting, but I don't remember whether
it's been restocked since I bought it a few months ago. Don't know
if it is deleted or not.
Otterhouse Rolf
I have not updated it, but if you want to know more about my
background...
http://www.myspace.com/classicalvinyl
Rolf :)_
Gerard
>
>
> I have not updated it, but if you want to know more about my
> background...
> http://www.myspace.com/classicalvinyl
>
Sorry, but that is hardly readable, because of the .... background (image).
jeffli...@hotmail.com
Thanks, Walter, for the information. The Orfeo release has been
"unavailable" at Amazon USA for several years, so it didn't occur to
me that it might be offered at Amazon UK. At any rate, it's a splendid
interpretation of Bruckner's Fourth.
Jeff Lipscomb