Ravel Piano Trio - recommendation?

[Alan]

Folks,

saw a charming (but somewhat pessimistic) French film the other day in which
this music figured prominently, along with other chamber works by Ravel. Any
recommendations in good stereo sound?

thanks,

Alan
al...@blainbox.freeserve.co.uk

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"Alan" <al...@blainbox.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> saw a charming (but somewhat pessimistic) French film the other day in which
> this music figured prominently, along with other chamber works by Ravel. Any
> recommendations in good stereo sound?

If the film in question was "Un Coeur en Hiver," there's a good performance of
the Ravel trio and two sonatas on the soundtrack CD. The performers are
Kanterow (v), Muller (ce) and Rouvier (pn), and the CD is on the Erato label,
no. 2292-45920-2.

Phil

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Alan wrote in message <7e0ci6$qlo$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>...

>Folks,
>
>saw a charming (but somewhat pessimistic) French film the other day in
which
>this music figured prominently, along with other chamber works by Ravel.
Any
>recommendations in good stereo sound?

I enjoy the Rembrandt Trio's version on Dorian (DOR-90187). The sound is
wonderful, very good string playing, and the fabulous Valerie Tryon on
piano. Interesting coupling with trios by Saint-Saens and Chaminade. These
are very well played, too.

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Anthony Kershaw, Editor/Publisher
Audiophilia - The Online Journal for the Serious Audiophile
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[jp winter]

You may try the Joachim Trio on Naxos, coupled with Debussy, Trio # 1,
and Florent Schmitt's Très Lent.

regards, jan winter

[MT]

In many years of collecting and listening, I have never found a
completely satisfactory performance of this superb trio, one of Ravel's
greatest works. The best one I know of is by the Rembrandt Trio on
Dorian, which I got several years ago on the recommendation of somebody
in this group and which filled the gap but lacks that ultimate je ne
sais quoi.

Almost as fine is the recording by the Parnassus Trio on MD+G. The worst
one is by the Trio Fontenay on Teldec, which manages to be even worse
than the clueless Rubinstein-Heifetz-Piatigorsky
Super-Million-Dollar-Trio.

I am beginning to suspect that this trio is better than it can be
played...

Regards,

mt

[Tony Vella]

Here's my favorite:
Monitor - MCS 2069
David Oistrakh, Violin; Sviatoslav Knushevitzky, Cello; Lev Oborin, Piano
Considering its age it is a very sharp, clear recording and comes coupled
with the Chopin Trio.
I'm not sure if it ever made it to CD though. Pity if it didn't.
---
Tony Vella
Ottawa, Canada
tony....@sympatico.ca
ICQ #27014379

Alan wrote in message <7e0ci6$qlo$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>Folks,
>
>saw a charming (but somewhat pessimistic) French film the other day in
which
>this music figured prominently, along with other chamber works by Ravel.
Any
>recommendations in good stereo sound?
>

>thanks,
>
>Alan
>al...@blainbox.freeserve.co.uk
>
>

[Gaspard314]

In article <7e0o37$sqv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, pga...@my-dejanews.com writes:

>If the film in question was "Un Coeur en Hiver," there's a good performance
>of
>the Ravel trio and two sonatas on the soundtrack CD. The performers are
>Kanterow (v), Muller (ce) and Rouvier (pn), and the CD is on the Erato label,
>no. 2292-45920-2.

The Kanterow, Muller, Rouvier performance is extraordinary. One of the best
I've ever heard. Don't be put off that it's been re-packaged as a soundtrack.
It's quite breathtaking.

Paul

[Muhamed]

Joachim Trio on Naxos.

[s.southam]

You may also be interested to hear Yan Pascal Tortelier's orchestration of
this work - a fascinating alternative view of this splendid piece. There's
a recording on Chandos with the Ulster Orchestra: CHAN 9204.

Regards,
Stephen Southam,
Thornton Cleveleys, UK

[Gene Homel]

How about the Borodin trio on Chandos -- anyone have that?

[Denis Lessard]

There's good version from Beaux Arts Trio, on Philips, rec 1983 with Enerst
Chausson Trio, 411-141-2
Beaux Arts has recorded the trio before, add recording, on Philips too, it's
the best one to my taste.
Theres a Trio Rouvier Kantorow Muller on Denon, with Debussy's and Fauré
Trios, good too, and the coupling is more generous, CO 72508.
There's the Kantorow Muller Rouvier version on Erato --they repack them as
Soundtrack for the Claude Sautet's Coeur en hiver. Coming with three
sonates from Ravel and the Berceuse sur le nom de Gabriel Fauré Erato
2292-45920-2. It's AAD but the sound is good.
Finally, the Rembrandt Trio on Dorian, with Saint-Saens and Chaminade piano
trios. DOR 90187, sound is perfect as always on Dorian, but I prefer Beaux
arts version.
Good listening --this trio is one of my prefered piece.
Denis Lessard,
Québec, Canada

Alan a écrit dans le message <7e0ci6$qlo$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>...

[Andy Evans]

Also Heifetz which reviewers tell me is played in a smart 'metropolitan'
way. Not sure I'd recommend it though I didn't find it distasteful. Andy

[Richard Latimer]

Denis Lessard <d...@riq.qc.ca> wrote in message news:r68O2.202

> There's good version from Beaux Arts Trio, on Philips, rec 1983 with
Enerst
> Chausson Trio, 411-141-2
> Beaux Arts has recorded the trio before, add recording, on Philips too,
it's
> the best one to my taste.

Second the second. The earlier recording was available on a lousy pressing
from Philips' World Series, but it was my favorite.

richard

[Mark Carlstein]

For sheer energy and musical intensity nothing beats the old (1950)
recording by Rubinstein, Heifetz and Piatigorsky. I'll admit the sound
quality isn't pristine, but on CD it's quite tolerable if not
state-of-the-art. I have it on BMG Music 7871-2-RG, part of the Heifetz
Collection, possessing the old RCA Victor Gold Seal on the front and back
covers. I'm sure it's still available.

What a great piece.

Mark

[Doug Rabin]

In article <lark-11049...@mke57tc3.gdinet.com>, la...@globaldialog.com (Mark Carlstein) writes:
> For sheer energy and musical intensity nothing beats the old (1950)
> recording by Rubinstein, Heifetz and Piatigorsky.

In this piece, to my ears, the All Stars don't capture any of the
chaste sensuousness that is a hallmark of Ravel. I don't have a
favorite recording to recommend (many recordings and live performances
blur in my memory), but this performance is an example of how great
musicians can miss the point ...

Doug

[Andy Evans]

Updating this older thread to bring in some later recordings in good stereo sound. This is no sacrifice to my ears since all the big names of the past disappoint in various ways.

Contenders in no particular order:
Kanterow/Muller/Rouvier
Capucon/Capucon/Braley
Trio Ceres

Some good playing on all of these - sensitive idiomatic performances and of French origin, I notice, which is Ravel's neck of the woods. Don't have a favourite - need to do more listening. I also like the Trio di Trieste a lot from 1947 for an older recording.

[Bozo]

>On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 7:51:22 AM UTC-5, Andy Evans wrote:
> Updating this older thread to bring in some later recordings in good stereo >sound.

2008 cd , but original recording much earlier, Caecilian Trio, mine the Turnabout lp , dont have this cd set :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg8UqitV4Zk

[Andy Evans]

Good call! It's nice, isn't it? The YT is N/A but caught it on Spotify. Thanks!

[cooper...@gmail.com]

I also like the first two that you mention above (haven't heard Trio Ceres). Have you heard the Trio de France (Joy/Gautier/Levy) or the related Perlemuter/Gautier/Levy? There are so many fine recordings. One that I keep coming back to is Laredo/Laredo/Solow (Music from Marlboro): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt9onHlr7UI etc.

AC

[Andy Evans]

Have you heard the Trio de France (Joy/Gautier/Levy) or the related Perlemuter/Gautier/Levy? There are so many fine recordings. One that I keep coming back to is Laredo/Laredo/Solow (Music from Marlboro): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt9onHlr7UI etc.
>
> AC

The Perlemuter is on YT but in pretty bad sound. Trio de France is on Spotify in better sound, and I prefer the performance and recorded balance as well. It's a lovely performance. Thanks for that.

I only started to find the "many fine recordings" when I looked well past the big names. The French Connection pulls up some good French/partly French ensembles.

[Andy Evans]

On Saturday, 22 April 2017 19:39:14 UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> Have you heard the Trio de France (Joy/Gautier/Levy) or the related Perlemuter/Gautier/Levy? There are so many fine recordings. One that I keep coming back to is Laredo/Laredo/Solow (Music from Marlboro): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt9onHlr7UI etc.
> >
> > AC
>
> The Perlemuter is on YT but in pretty bad sound. Trio de France is on Spotify in better sound, and I prefer the performance and recorded balance as well. It's a lovely performance. Thanks for that.

Amazon.fr has a lot of interesting recordings for download in the BnF series. Here's the Trio de France

https://www.amazon.fr/Fauré-Ravel-violon-violoncelle-Version/dp/B00GXZEXL8/ref=sr_1_6?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1492886812&sr=1-6&keywords=BnF+collection+ravel+trio

[Charles]

I agree that the Laredo is very fine, and so is the Beaux Arts. Heard the latter play it live, with Pressler looking over his right shoulder 90% of the time to watch the violinist, and never missing a note. I don't think the Trio de France is competitive, especially for the sound.

[danielf...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 2:18:33 PM UTC-4, cooper...@gmail.com wrote:

That LP is an old favorite; the Laredo/Solow violin/cello sonata with which the trio is coupled is also first-rate.
/DF

[cooper...@gmail.com]

Yes, the sound is a problem, but I listened to the performance again yesterday and think the performance holds up well. I admit to being prejudiced in favor of Gautier, a seriously underrated artist, imo. (I suppose the same could be said for her partners Joy and Levy.) The coupled Faure Piano Trio is well worth hearing also, and that is a work that has not been as successful on record as the Ravel.

AC

[mrfi...@gmail.com]

I like that Trio di Trieste too, as well as a remake (I think) in their DG box. Agree with Alan on the Gautier versions and with Bozo that the Vox is surprisingly good; it's been released repeatedly in CD boxes, some of which it shares with Jacqueline Eymar. It surprises me no one has mentioned Richter/Kagan/Gutman. Not Gallic enough? (It isn't, actually, but it's strong nevertheless.)

SE.

[Matthew Silverstein]

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 3:37:28 PM UTC+4, cooper...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]

Any views on the Trio Wanderer recording of the Ravel?

Matty

[Andy Evans]

> I also like the Trio di Trieste a lot from 1947 for an older recording.
>
> I like that Trio di Trieste too, as well as a remake (I think) in their DG box. Agree with Alan on the Gautier versions and with Bozo that the Vox is surprisingly good; it's been released repeatedly in CD boxes, some of which it shares with Jacqueline Eymar. It surprises me no one has mentioned Richter/Kagan/Gutman. Not Gallic enough? (It isn't, actually, but it's strong nevertheless.)
>
> SE.

The 1947 Trio di Trieste has become my go-to version of this. I tried some excerpts of the Laredo version that is admired here and didn't find it very "French" to be honest. Same with Richter et al - on that subject I like Gutman in the Rachmaninov cello sonata where she's on home ground.

Call me a hopeless francophile if you like (I once lived and owned a house there), but if the music doesn't have that particular gallic charm and poignancy I don't really connect. It's like spending a weekend in Paris and eating Big Macs - you wouldn't go hungry, but why?

[james.g...@gmail.com]

Or the Kalichstein-laredo-robinson Trio Ravel?