Re: Violinists

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:47:30 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
>
> Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
> and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
> musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
> oxide in one's mouth.
>
> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
>
> dk

Daniel Lozakovich (alive).
Bronisław Huberman, Fritz Kreisler, Efrem Zimbalist (dead).


YM

[MELMOTH]

Dan Koren a émis l'idée suivante :

> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> on other instruments than keyboards?

https://www.amazon.fr/s?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&i=stripbooks&k=jean-michel%20molkhou&ref=nb_sb_noss&url=search-alias=stripbooks

[Andy Evans]

I'm very fond of the cimbalom.

Sounds great in Kodaly and Stravinsky's Renard, Ragtime and Les Noces.

I also like the zither in Tales from the Vienna Woods and The Third Man.

[Henk vT]

Op zondag 25 april 2021 om 04:47:30 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

> We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
>
> Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
> and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
> musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
> oxide in one's mouth.
>

> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances

> on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
>
> dk

Ibragimova is one of those violinists that can do no wrong to these ears. She makes even Roslavets sound interesting (his piano music is next to unlistenable).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE1VBqp8ZUg

BTW, Roslavets is not the only one who writes far better for violin than for piano.

Henk

[MELMOTH]

Dan Koren a formulé ce dimanche :
> Certainly -- Paganini, Ernst, Vieuxtemps, Wieniawski,
> Ysaÿe all wrote far better for the violin than for the
> piano!

I just listened again to Beethoven's opus 61...For me the greatest
violin concerto of the repertory...
By Milstein/Steinberg/Pittsburg, of course...

[MELMOTH]

Après mûre réflexion, MELMOTH a écrit :

> I just listened again to Beethoven's opus 61...For me the greatest violin
> concerto of the repertory...
> By Milstein/Steinberg/Pittsburg, of course...

Concerto pour violon en ré majeur · opus 61 (1806)
Monteux, 1958 (West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6034)

Berl Senofsky, violon
ø Concert Boston, 10 janvier 1958 - OS. de Boston
* CD : West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6034 [11CD] (p 2010)

Grande Fugue en si bémol majeur (arr. Weingartner) · opus 133
Monteux, 1958 (West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6034)

ø [mono] Concert Boston, 10 janvier 1958 - OS. de Boston
* CD : West Hill Radio Archives WHRA 6034 [11CD] (p 2010) - [Archive
radio ]

Die Weihe des Hauses [Consécration de la maison], Ouverture · opus 124
Music & Arts 978 (visuel du dique)

[1] ø Concert San Francisco, 4 décembre 1949 - OS. San Francisco
* CD : Music and Arts "Sunday Evenings with Pierre Monteux" vol. 1,
CD-978 (coffret 10 CD) [Archive radio "Standard Hour Broadcasts" ]

Audiophile 559 (visuel du dique)

[2] ø Concert Amsterdam, 12 octobre 1950 - O. Concertgebouw
* CD : Audiophile 101.559 (+ Brahms, Concerto violon/Milstein ; Faune,
Debussy)

[Henk vT]

Op zondag 25 april 2021 om 11:52:10 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

> Why don't you listen to some Ysaÿe? The greatest
> composer who ever wrote for the violin!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3nzfckSr_3yYgpy7GruBtoygbTAK3rk8
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVssSGxq6xQ
>
> dk

Tastes differ. In my opinion it's Bartok:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04lXLGFHDlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04lXLGFHDlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1BAerPluoM

Henk

[Frank Berger]

On 4/24/2021 10:47 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
>
> Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
> and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
> musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
> oxide in one's mouth.
>
> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
>
> dk
>

Speaking of violinists, I just watched a David Hurwitz video where he discusses the duplicated disc 45 in the new Grumiaux box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl71MsLzNQk

In short, Decca will be making available a replacement for the problematic disc.

[Andrew Clarke]

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 12:47:30 PM UTC+10, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
>

Well we heard plenty about LStJ ...

Fortunately there's also Tamsin Little, Nicola Benedetti and Isabelle Faust. On the non-distaff side: Fabio Biondi and Pavlo Beznosiuk.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 5:18:01 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 12:15:40 AM UTC-4, Yoshiyuki Mukudai wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:47:30 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
> > >
> > > Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
> > > and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
> > > musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
> > > oxide in one's mouth.
> > >
> > > Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> > > on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
> >

> > Daniel Lozakovich (alive).
He is simply amazing. Phenomenal musician, who convey music in very detais.

> > Bronisław Huberman, Fritz Kreisler, Efrem Zimbalist (dead).

Huberman for his Jewry (which was, in my opinion, succeeded by Vladimir Horowitz in a way).
Fritz Kreisler for his own compositions and some early concerto recordings (Pearl transfer).
Efrem Zimbalist is impressive in double concerto by J. S. Bach with Fritz Kreisler recorded in 1915 (Pearl).

> >
> And the message is ... ?!?

Thank you.
>
> dk


YM

[Andrew Clarke]

These pale into significance compared to this colossus of the chordophone, capable of making wallpaper unroll off walls, causing light bulbs to unscrew from their sockets or reducing a five ton truck to its component parts:

<http://www.nuancierds.fr/divers/gaffophone.jpg>

You will note that a good half-century before BLM, the Belgian musical world had already acknowledged its African roots.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra
gaffeur dans la langue de Voltaire

[Andrew Clarke]

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 9:04:29 AM UTC+10, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 6:59:31 PM UTC-4, andrewc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 6:21:54 PM UTC+10, Andy Evans wrote:
> > > I'm very fond of the cimbalom.
> > >
> > > Sounds great in Kodaly and Stravinsky's Renard, Ragtime and Les Noces.
> > >
> > > I also like the zither in Tales from the Vienna Woods and The Third Man.
> > These pale into significance compared to this colossus of the chordophone,
> > capable of making wallpaper unroll off walls, causing light bulbs to unscrew
> > from their sockets or reducing a five ton truck to its component parts:
> >
> > <http://www.nuancierds.fr/divers/gaffophone.jpg>

> No match for Tchaikovsly's cannon! ;-)

> > You will note that a good half-century before BLM, the Belgian musical
> > world had already acknowledged its African roots.
> >

> Just to piss off the French? ;-)
>
> dk

No, to compensate the world for the longeurs of Cesar Franck. On the other hand, if the Belgian Army had had the gaffophone in September 1914 the future history of Europe might have been very different.

Andrew Clarke
Canberra

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 11:39:30 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for sharing.
>
> My own favorites are Kreisler, Gitlis, Haendel, Milstein,
> Szeryng, Kyung Wha Chung, Midori, Akiko Suwanai,
> Sayaka Shoji, Soyoung Yoon, Bomsori Kim. Among
> the younger up and coming crowd, Mone Hattori
> stands out.
Interesing list. I agree wiht Kyung Wha Chung and Ida Haendel. Disagree with Sayaka Shoji.
Bomsori Kim is a keen musician, but her playing is usually rather tending to a midiocracy.
I prefer Israel Philharmonic concert master David Radzynski to most of the violinists on
your list here.

> From the older crowd of sacred cows, I never liked
> Heifetz. I liked Szigeti and Huberman musically,
> but they both have a sour tone that turns me off.
Huberman's Columbia Recordings on Biddulph is for me a desert island discs.

> I never liked Enescu, Kogan, Stern, Menuhin. Hahn,
> Mutter, or Kavakos. I use to like Oistrakh, Kremer
> and Vengerov quite a bit more than I do nowadays.
> The latter two are of course ne plus ultra technically.
>
> Your turn.

Among this latter list, I like Kogan personally and early Mullova (pupil of Leonid Kogan
and before circa 1994). I wasn't impressed by Hilary Hahn in early years, but her recent
Prokofiev and in particular its 2nd movement is a spectacular. But, I certainly get at a loss to
appreciate her talent that didn't adequately be grown up in her early career (for instance,
her debut Bach solo is impressive, but what were followed are mostly nothing perhaps
expect the Barber and Edgar Meyer). Hahn gradually changed her playing style with maturity
and deep thoughts around her making of 27 encores. This should be called progress, but
I wonder whether or not it should be called her talent while our evaluating her own original
capability, because hers is not a natural talent but something she got over practice and
seriousstudies in music.
While I don't particularly like Stern and others, early and late Menuhin hits my sweet spot.
In particular his Franck A major sonata with his sister Heptzbah and Bartok concerto with
Furtwängler.


YM

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 12:35:31 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 7:25:10 PM UTC-4, Yoshiyuki Mukudai wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 11:39:30 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 6:18:59 PM UTC-4, Yoshiyuki Mukudai wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 5:18:01 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 12:15:40 AM UTC-4, Yoshiyuki Mukudai wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:47:30 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
> > > > > > > and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
> > > > > > > musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
> > > > > > > oxide in one's mouth.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> > > > > > > on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.

> > While I don't particularly like Stern and others, early and late
> > Menuhin hits my sweet spot.

> No good for me. The early Menuhin was an Enescu clone. The
> late Menuhin was incompetent.

> > In particular his Franck A major sonata with his sister Heptzbah
> > and Bartok concerto with Furtwängler.

> Menuhin's Franck Sonata is so far below average (for star artists)
> that it does not deserve any mentions. Mone Hattori has the ideal
> sound and phrasing for Franck. I'd love to hear her play the Franck
> Sonata with HJ Lim at the piano! ;-)
>
> dk

Moné Hattori is Joji Hattori's daughter? I think Joji was pupil of Menuhin.
Among other Japanese violinists, I evaluate the winner of Montréal
competition Ayana Tsuji highly.


YM

[Frank Berger]

On 4/25/2021 7:35 PM, Dan Koren wrote:

> Many concert masters are on the same level as the stars,
> unfortunately one does not hear much about them.
>

I've made a point at collecting recordings by Joseph Silverstein and Anshel Brusilow

[Frank Berger]

On 4/25/2021 6:18 PM, Yoshiyuki Mukudai wrote:
> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 5:18:01 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 12:15:40 AM UTC-4, Yoshiyuki Mukudai wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:47:30 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
>>>>
>>>> Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
>>>> and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
>>>> musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
>>>> oxide in one's mouth.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
>>>> on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
>>>
>>> Daniel Lozakovich (alive).
> He is simply amazing. Phenomenal musician, who convey music in very detais.
>
>>> Bronisław Huberman, Fritz Kreisler, Efrem Zimbalist (dead).
>
> Huberman for his Jewry (which was, in my opinion, succeeded by Vladimir Horowitz in a way).

?????

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

Do you know or don't know about Vladimir Horowitz touring in Palestine in January 1936?


YM

[Richard Sauer]

> We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.

Zino Francescatti with Bruno Walter: Beethoven violin concerto. Beautiful slow movement, and witty finale.
Zino Francescatti and Robert Casadesus: Beethoven Kreutzer..perfect match of personalities.

Rich

[Frank Berger]

I am wondering why you like Huberman (or anyone) for his Jewry?

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

Amendment 5.

But, I can tell:
1. I have loved Ignacj Jan Paderewski for his political roles for Poland in Veraille treaty on June 28, 1919
and got desperated by the outcome of this treaty (and, Chicago is the number one city for Polish immigrants
in the USA; there is even Museum - Polish Museum of America - in the city that possesses many Paderwski
memorabilla. Paderewski passed away on June 29, 1941 in his room at Buckingham Palace Hotel on 57th
Street and Americas Avenue, Manhattan, New York).
2. Vladimir Horowitz respected Paderewski most among musicians (The Last Romantic, 1985, CAMI).
3. There are three kinds of pianists: Jewish pianists, homosexual pianists, and bad pianists (Horowitz quote).


YM

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

of course in population.


YM

[Frank Berger]

I realize that we all (well, most) can be influenced by non-musical factors - album design, the artist's personal history, etc. But I am not comfortable with factoring in ethnicity or religion per se. In Horowitz's day his statement (which I suspect he didn't mean literally) possibly had some basis. But today? I have pretty much succeeded in being able to put an artist's politics and prejudices aside. Not everyone can do this or is even interested in doing it. I detest Wagner, Barenboim and Roger Waters, but I don't hold that against their music.

[JohnGavin]

> 2. Vladimir Horowitz respected Paderewski most among musicians (The Last Romantic, 1985, CAMI).
> 3. There are three kinds of pianists: Jewish pianists, homosexual pianists, and bad pianists (Horowitz quote).
>
>
> YM

Very suspicious, as #2 already contradicts #3. And what about Rachmaninov, Godowsky, Argerich, DeLarrocha, Hamelin, Cziffra, Casadesus just to name a few. I wonder how many of the 3 categories his wife or her father knew about when she married him.

[Frank Berger]

On 4/25/2021 10:00 PM, Dan Koren wrote:

> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 10:47:30 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
>> We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
>>
>> Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
>> and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
>> musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
>> oxide in one's mouth.
>>
>> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
>> on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
>>
>

> We heard enough about violinists already! ;-)
>
> Cellists anyone? Melmoth, who do you like?
> Who do you think is/was the "best" or the
> "greatest"?
>
> dk
>

Feuermann. But Du Pre's Elgar is the GOAT.

[Frank Berger]

On 4/25/2021 10:27 PM, Marc S wrote:

> dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 26. April 2021 um 04:00:48 UTC+2:
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 10:47:30 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
>>> We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
>>>
>>> Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
>>> and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
>>> musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
>>> oxide in one's mouth.
>>>
>>> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
>>> on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
>>>
>> We heard enough about violinists already! ;-)
>>
>> Cellists anyone? Melmoth, who do you like?
>> Who do you think is/was the "best" or the
>> "greatest"?
>>
>> dk
>

> I still need to listen to decide, but I think I might know yours ;D at least 3, if it hasn't changed. And some of them - behold - you even heard live i think ;)
>

Wondering why in your posts there is frequently the characters ";D". What hardware are you typing on? Does everyone else see this as well?

[Richard Sauer]

> Cellists anyone? Melmoth, who do you like?
> Who do you think is/was the "best" or the
> "greatest"?
>

Let's see.
Pierre Fournier: Don Quixote/ Szell/ Cleveland
Rostropovich- Beethoven 5 sonatas with Rostropovich
Feuermann/ Heifetz- Brahms Double with Ormandy/Philadelphia. (will be interesting to hear what Sony has done with the Feuermann/Ormandy recordings)

[Frank Berger]

On 4/25/2021 10:36 PM, Marc S wrote:

> It is a laughing smiley. Nothing more nothing less ;D
>

Oh.

[Frank Berger]

On 4/25/2021 10:37 PM, Marc S wrote:

> Wondering why you don't recognize this... maybe you just have to laugh more ;)
>

I just figured it out. When I read your posts I see the graphic. When I click "followup" to reply, Thunderbird no longer shows the graphic it just shows ;D. Must be a Thunderbird issue.

[raymond....@gmail.com]

On Monday, 26 April 2021 at 12:00:48 UTC+10, dan.....com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 10:47:30 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> > We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
> >
> > Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
> > and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
> > musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
> > oxide in one's mouth.
> >
> > Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> > on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.

> dk

I love the shamisen (which has no frets), and I am sure it's clankiness fits into some music compositions other than Japanese. OK, I'll admit I like the look of the instrument and the ladies in kimonos playing them. Hurdy gurdies are weird, and Mahler has patented the use of cow bells. Then there is the sitar - was there ever a more beautiful and sonorous instrument? Accordions are too synonymous with France to be considered generally. Just some random vacuum fluctuations of thought.

Ray Hall, Taree

[Bob Harper]

I wonder whether Mr. M doesn't mean that he likes Huberman for the
support he gave to then Palestine by founding the Palestine (Israel)
Philharmonic and thus giving refuge to a large number of European Jews.

Bob Harper

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

Of course, I mean that I like Huberman for his tireless efforts to build
the Palestine Orchestra with William Steinberg and Toscanini. And, for
the same reason, I like his two volume set of CDs issued by Biddulph
(Brunswick and Columbia recordings).

Have a good day!


YM

[gggg gggg]

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:46:11 PM UTC-7, raymond....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 26 April 2021 at 12:00:48 UTC+10, dan.....com wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 10:47:30 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> > > We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
> > >
> > > Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
> > > and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
> > > musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
> > > oxide in one's mouth.
> > >
> > > Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> > > on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
> > dk
>

> I love the shamisen (which has no frets), and I am sure it's clankiness fits into some music compositions other than Japanese...

https://www.tronsvt.com/lyrichord/sounds/7395-08.mp3

[MELMOTH]

Dan Koren avait soumis l'idée :

> Cellists anyone? Melmoth, who do you like?

I love (ALL violinists) and ALL cellists!...ALL have their qualities
and some their defects...They are human beings, like you and ME...

But I have a particular tenderness for the French ones, necessarily :
Ferras...Francescatti...Fournier...Tortelier...Gendron...Meunier...Maréchal...Queyras...Williencourt...

[MELMOTH]

Dan Koren a exprimé avec précision :
> Ferras and Francescatti were fiddlers, not cellists.

Sorry...I overslept....

[Frank Berger]

Probably, but my point stands. I prefer to admire Huberman for his humanity on the one hand and his musicality on the other, one having little to do with the other.

[Steven Bornfeld]

Roger Waters? What did he do? Never mind--I don't want to know.

[Frank Berger]

I'm going to tell you anyway. Activist in the anti-Israel BDS movement.

[mswd...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 9:47:30 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.

> dk

I like some Tchaikovsky quite a bit, but never warmed to the violin concerto as a favorite. I didn't mind it, I just never found a performance that really knocked me out enough. Bumped into Litton/Gluzman the other day and wow, Gluzman's intonation, tone and musicality is fantastic. I don't know a thing about Gluzman, so it was a complete surprise. Can anyone add more about G?

[Frank Berger]

Oy. I almost ordered it, but checked first and found I already have it. God knows which pile it's in. According to Wikipedia, Gluzman is a Soviet-born Jew who spent most of his childhood in Riga, Latvia. One of my grandmother's family was from there. Maybe we're related. He lives in Israel now.

[mswd...@gmail.com]

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 2:31:04 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-4, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 9:47:30 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> > > on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
> >

> > I like some Tchaikovsky quite a bit, but never warmed to
> > the violin concerto as a favorite. I didn't mind it, I just never
> > found a performance that really knocked me out enough.

> How about this one?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kab_bc3X90
>
> dk

We know Ivry rocks, but it's not really a similar performance. Have you listened to Gluzman?

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:00:48 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 10:47:30 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:
> > We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
> >
> > Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
> > and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
> > musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
> > oxide in one's mouth.
> >

> > Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> > on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
> >

> We heard enough about violinists already! ;-)
>

> Cellists anyone? Melmoth, who do you like?

> Who do you think is/was the "best" or the
> "greatest"?
>
> dk

Pierre Fournier (Schumann concerto with Furtwängler), Gregor Piatigorsky (in general),
Emmanuel Feuermann (Dvorak concerto on Conoisseur Society label; liner note is gorgeous as well).


YM

[Frank Berger]

On 4/26/2021 8:35 PM, Dan Koren wrote:
> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 4:44:14 PM UTC-4, Dan Koren wrote:

>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 4:30:10 PM UTC-4, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 2:31:04 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-4, mswd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 9:47:30 PM UTC-5, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
>>>>>> on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like some Tchaikovsky quite a bit, but never warmed to
>>>>> the violin concerto as a favorite. I didn't mind it, I just never
>>>>> found a performance that really knocked me out enough.
>>>>
>>>> How about this one?
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kab_bc3X90
>>>

>>> We know Ivry rocks, but it's not really a similar performance.

>> Similar to who/what?

>>> Have you listened to Gluzman?

>> Yes. Not impressed.
>>
>
> I listened again to Gluzman/Llitton and found it better than
> when I first heard it a decade or so ago.

Didn't you know that CDs improve with age? Like fine wine.


At the same time,
> it doesn't come close to Ivry Gitlis musically. The recording
> quality is much better indeed.
>
> dk
>

For Gitlis are you referring to the one with Hollreiser on Vox (for all I know the only one)?

[gggg gggg]

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 7:47:30 PM UTC-7, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
>
> Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
> and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
> musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
> oxide in one's mouth.
>

> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
> on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
>

> dk

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical/c/7TsefHGEsDU

[Al Eisner]

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021, Dan Koren wrote:

> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 12:15:40 AM UTC-4, Yoshiyuki Mukudai wrote:

>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 3:47:30 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
>>> We don't hear much about violinists lately on r.m.c.r.
>>>
>>> Discussions in the forum are mainly about pianists
>>> and semi-conductors, and have a strong bent of
>>> musical archaeology -- like the taste of copper
>>> oxide in one's mouth.
>>>
>>> Is anyone willing to step up to discuss performances
>>> on other instruments than keyboards? Ditto opera.
>>

>> Daniel Lozakovich (alive).

>> Bronisław Huberman, Fritz Kreisler, Efrem Zimbalist (dead).
>>
>

> And the message is ... ?!?

Three out of four great violinists are dead?

An important fact about violinists: living violinists become dead
violinists. One of my favorite living violinists until a few months
ago (98 years old, and shown informally performing at least to 95)
is now a favorite past violinist (Gitlis of course.) So it goes.
(Perhaps justifying the attitude you ascribed to Samir Golescu in a
recent post. Or not.)

My other favorite violinists of the past, very different from each
other: Szigeti and Milstein
--
Al Eisner

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

That's just an example, Al. I like Sergei Dogadin and Vadim Rapin as well and very much.


YM

[Herman]

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 7:25:49 AM UTC+2, yoshi.muku...@gmail.com wrote:


> That's just an example, Al. I like Sergei Dogadin and Vadim Rapin as well and very much.
>
>
> YM

Rapin' Vadim? Let's make that Repin.

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

Thanks.

YM

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

In the common Japanese spelling of his name, it will be spelled out as "Rapin" (レーピン).
In his correct name spelling, it has to be spelled out as レピン (Repin / Репин).

This will give you a hint in which language I was thinking at the very moment of spelling
their names, etc. Not at all Tom Deacon/Google Translate standard, that is hate crime.


YM

[Steven Bornfeld]

OK

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

Horowitz is clearly suggesting that he respected Paderewski most among musicians in this documentary film.
He also once defended Paderewski that Paderewski was a good pianist than most people might have imagined.


YM

[Andy Evans]

I was driving in the car when Bruch's VC came on the radio. I laughed out loud at the recording because it was so OTT. The violin was as loud as the orchestra and it was all total Hollywood. Not particularly subtle but the violin playing was technically superb - impeccable double stopping, plenty of dynamics and attack, the full Monte minus the subtlety. The Lang Lang of the violin I thought. Curious to know who it was I waited to hear it was Ray Chen. Well the guy can play - more exciting than our Nige. Not sure I'd want him in the more spiritual repertoire but for the pot boilers he clearly has the fire to put bums on seats.

[HT]

Op zaterdag 15 mei 2021 om 19:01:05 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:

> I was driving in the car when Bruch's VC came on the radio. I laughed out loud at the recording because it was so OTT. The violin was as loud as the orchestra and it was all total Hollywood. Not particularly subtle but the violin playing was technically superb - impeccable double stopping, plenty of dynamics and attack, the full Monte minus the subtlety. The Lang Lang of the violin I thought. Curious to know who it was I waited to hear it was Ray Chen. Well the guy can play - more exciting than our Nige. Not sure I'd want him in the more spiritual repertoire but for the pot boilers he clearly has the fire to put bums on seats.

He was winner of Brussels in 2009.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj6hGcBkC7U

Henk

[Andy Evans]

> He was winner of Brussels in 2009.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj6hGcBkC7U
> > Henk

Indeed. I just watched him playing the Mendelssohn on YT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I03Hs6dwj7E

Impeccable technique, very dynamic and clean and perfectly in tempo. No lingering over phrases - it's almost dance music in his hands. I kind of like the guy. Quite the crowd pleaser, he jumps in the air in the finale and his feet actually leave the ground for a moment. Go, Ray, go!

[HT]

Op zaterdag 15 mei 2021 om 21:54:23 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:

<g> Ray is certainly going:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VYqq5eedRI

Thanks for the Mendelssohn. I'm curious how he is doing 6 years after the competition.

Henk

[Andy Evans]

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VYqq5eedRI
>
> Thanks for the Mendelssohn. I'm curious how he is doing 6 years after the competition.
> > Henk

Thanks for the YT link. Very funny! The guy is something else! I can see why he made me laugh in the first place.